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Enjoy the show. Ho. Ho. Ho. How are you, mate? Season's greetings. I am well. Feeling pretty prepared for Christmas this year. I'm never normally a last minute kinda guy, really, but ready earlier than usual this year. Christmas presents are all delivered well into ahead of time.

Everything's wrapped. Everything's under the tree. Wow. Ready for the big fat guy to make his way down the the nonexistent chimney that we don't have. You can actually put the Christmas presents under the tree without kids sort of tearing them open and all that stuff?

Oh, no. Like, the little ones' presents, they're always with Santa. Obviously, Santa's, like, with these elves building them, and they don't arrive until Christmas night. So No. We we we we couldn't run the risk. So it's just relatives and, you know, me, my wife's presents there under the tree and vice versa. But they don't get opened?

Oh, no. No. Absolutely not. Oh, mine would be open. We can't put any Christmas presents under the tree at all until literally the night before. Why? Because your kids will open them even though they're not for them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A 100%.

We had guests around the other day, and I bought all the kids a little monster truck each and little whatever. Like, couple of little bits in a bag for when they came over. Like, our kids fucking opened all of those as well before their mates came around. I was like, you can't. You're gonna have any mates. You can't leave presents

for two seconds. They always have a way of getting one over on us, don't they? In fact Oh, yeah. Perfect example, actually, I got probably gaslit by a four year old yesterday in the in the local shop. She was, like, helping me do jobs in the morning, and I said, look.

If you're good, I'll get you a little treat when we go to the shop late because I need to go and get some bits and bobs just like a little top up shop that we stuff was missing in the cupboard. So we get to the shop, and she's like, oh, daddy, I want this chocolate bar. I was like, okay. No problem. So we carry on doing the rest of it.

She got it in her hand. She looks all excited. She's actually changed my mind. I'm like, okay. Go put it back and get whatever you want. She puts the 90 p chocolate bar down and comes back with an eight pound magazine.

Brilliant. And I didn't click at first because I was, like, juggling a load of things and just making sure that she wasn't getting lost and things. And I was walking out the shop. Was like, hang on a minute. You've had my fucking pants down there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I got hired. I think you call that in sales

or negotiation. You'd call it, like, anchoring, I think they call it. It's like because you've now agreed. Oh, not a bait and switch.

Well, I don't know. Maybe. But it's like you've anchored in the fact that you are giving me something now, daddy. I am having a thing. And now I'm just switching it and, like yeah. And it's like, you've already agreed effectively to this thing now because you've said, can I change it? So it's very smart. It's good. Yeah.

If she's doing that to me at at that age, god help me in in ten, fifteen years time. Oh, you're fucked. You're fucked. Can I have a a car when I just something just to learn to drive? And you'd be buying her a fucking Lambo. That's what's gonna happen. Oh,

dear. How's things are you anyway, mate? I believe you've been ill yet again. Are you are you on the Yep. The right side of this? Yeah. I'm on the right side of it, but sick. I get constantly sick at the moment. Yeah. On the right side of it and got an early Christmas present today. Got a new coffee machine. So I'm very, very happy.

Yeah. Decaf diaries have taken a turn for the better. Well, yeah, I'm still gonna be decaf after my one coffee. Tested it this morning because I couldn't find my shitty little coffee flask thing that I've been using for the last month anywhere. I couldn't fucking find it. And then

my missus was like, look. Do you want an early Christmas present? I was like, yes. I do.

So we set that up. That's why we're recording a little bit late. And I have to say, we're using the same beans and all that as we were before. I have to say the coffee is better. It was really good. So Mhmm. I'm very, very happy about that. Because it's like the one or the one, not being like violins out, woe is me

type of cunt, but my sort of one joy in life, really, or or one thing where I'm like, this is just a little thing that I really like and I have every day is my coffee.

So just making that better makes a big difference to life. Yeah. I have two comments on that. Number one, incredibly jealous of the machine you've got as a self proclaimed coffee wanker. Like, it's a very, very nice machine. It is. And the second thing I have to say on that is I am willing to wager some stats that the next time we record,

you will have faulted because you've got, oh, I wonder what a proper double espresso tastes like out of this thing. We'll get your first sip, and then you'd be like, oh, fuck. That's good.

Yeah. Come back, and we'll record in two weeks time on whatever Monday that is, and you'll be like, yeah, man. I've had fucking 19 espressos.

Maybe. We'll see. I might, like, dial things up because I'm supposed to start training next year, getting back into some routine with training. So

it may be that I'll say that, well, I have one in the morning, and then I'll have one as, like, a pre workout. I might, like, change it up so it's, like, two coffees a day. Maybe that will be the thing. Yeah. Just ease yourself in gently. Otherwise, you might have a heart attack or something. Yeah. I don't wanna do that, mate. No.

Definitely not. Should we do some business on air? Although it is for the benefit of the listeners, of course. Last Friday,

we had Q and A on was it last Friday? I'm getting my dates mixed up. No. It was last Tuesday. It was last Tuesday. Sorry. There was no frequent set Friday last Friday on the nineteenth. We recorded early on the sixteenth with Keone. Again, I'm not gonna go into the details.

Everybody's heard us talking about what's going on with the samurai thing. It was nice to see him, nice to chat to him, voice to voice, so to speak. Obviously, not nice given the circumstances.

He has now handed himself in on Friday the nineteenth to prison to begin his five year sentence. So before I do the samurai reminder,

Freedom Tech Friday. There wasn't one on last Friday. There is no Freedom Tech Friday this Friday because it is the December 26, Boxing Day. So, obviously, we're not gonna be recording. We'll be with our families.

And then the following Friday, January 2, we will also not be going live because most people will still be off. There might be a handful of people returning to work or whatever, but we'll probably still be doing a wash up from that weird in between phase where Yeah.

Kind of nobody knows what day it is and whether anybody's at work or not. So we just thought it's probably not worth going live then. So the next Dreams at Friday is gonna be Friday, January 9.

So we're having a couple of weeks off. Back to the summary, I think, the petition seems to be gaining some ground. Nowhere near as much as I'm sure all of us listening to this would like. But at the time of recording the petition, which again, as always, will be linked in the show notes, has 11,303

signatures. So a really good one in the last couple of days. Yeah. But nowhere near where it needs to be. So again, if you've been living under a rock or you haven't heard us talk about this and you're just stopping by, please click the link in the show notes and show your support.

It will take thirty seconds of your time to sign the petition because we're trying to get this in front of the US president, Donald Trump, because, basically, the last hope these guys have to not spend the next five years of their lives in prison is a presidential pardon, and that's what the petition is for.

As a an aside to that as well, there is also a give, send, go page to provide financial support to Lauren Rodriguez, Keone's wife, and to Sabrina, which is Bill's wife, Because, obviously, the husbands are already or about to go behind bars, so they are gonna be in some financial difficulty

even without all the ridiculous fines that these guys have been levied with as well. So if you would like to give some financial support, again, the link will be in the show notes if you can go and show some support to the family.

On that point, we have an ungovernable listener who would like to remain anonymous

that is donating a passport prime. Basically, they've left it up to us as to how we wanna do it. But, basically, he's already ordered a passport prime, and he said, look. I will pay to have this shipped anywhere in the world, but I just use it to incentivize getting

Bill and Keone's gift send go page some more love and get some financial support for the families.

So, basically, Max and I have put our heads together, and we think the easiest way to do this is if you would like to win a passport prime, but also more importantly, support the families, click the GiveSendGo link, which will be in the show notes and provide some financial support. The highest

supporter that uses the hashtag ungovernable when they're doing that, because you can leave a message, so make sure you put in the hashtag ungovernable so that we know that you're taking part in this fundraiser for the families as part of the show. The biggest donation will win the passport prime essentially. Oh.

This is not backed by me financially or anything like that. This is from an ungovernable listener, a long time ungovernable listener who wants to continue to raise some support for the family. So thank you to that person. You know who you are. And, yeah, basically, click the link in the show notes. Use the hashtag ungovernable,

and the largest donator with that hashtag will get their passport prime sent to them. And, obviously, I can coordinate with the winner in the background. Well, thank you. You know who you are who's reached out and doing this. Appreciate you, mate. That's very, very kind. Okay. The only other bit of, I guess, AOB

that I have is that if you remember, I attended to watch out Bitcoin in gosh. When was it? Was it September time maybe? When? Barcelona?

No. It was in Madrid. On Madrid. An awesome conference. One of the best ones I've been to for quite a while. I was on one of the panels talking about Bitcoin user bases, little bit on privacy and kind of wallet development, things like that. That panel was recorded.

There is now a video linked in the show notes, or it will be on the watch out Bitcoin YouTube page as well. So if you wanna go and check that out and hear me ramble on for about an hour amongst others of intelligent minds, then feel free to go and check it out. Very nice. What about you, mate? Any other AOB?

Any other life updates, work updates? What's going on? Not really, to be honest. I think coffee machines highlight 95%

done with some of the construction stuff that I was doing, which I'm very pleased about because it's driving me fucking mental. Yeah. That's it. Looking forward to a bit of Christmas wind down, basically, now. Nice. Nice. Oh, one other thing was everyone who was smart enough to take advantage

for the two live shows where we've done a 100% pass through on the T shirts and hoodies and stuff, well done for doing that because I think we've probably got about a thousand dollars worth ish that's gonna be going to Free Samurai. So well done for jumping onto that. Wow. That's awesome. Happy to hear that.

Thank you for getting in support. Okay then. Shall we hit the news? Only a couple of items. As I say, everybody seems to be on a bit of a wind down for Christmas at the moment, so there's not as much going on. The first one, very big one actually, Blockstream Jade. They came out with a security disclosure a few weeks ago

and which is since being patched, by the way. So if you're running the latest Boxroom Jade firmware, you're fine. There's no need to panic.

If you're not, after listening to this, then make sure you go and heed the warnings and upgrade your firmware to make sure that you are not at risk of this because it seems like it could be a pretty big one. So in the Jade firmware one point zero point two four, the ability to register a descriptor was added to the firmware via CBOR

RPC interface. The vulnerability lies in the processing of CBOR message passed to the registered descriptor RPC. Basically, the Jade had a missing check on the size of descriptor. So if there was a malicious app that was talking to jade,

they had the ability to what's it say? Possible to overwrite the process stack with an attacker controlled data leading to a device crash or limited code execution.

Vulnerable The code can only be reached on an initialized and unlocked device where the device was unlocked using the same interface that the RPC was called on. This means a USB connected device is only vulnerable to USB RPC calls, and a Bluetooth connected device is only vulnerable to Bluetooth RPC calls.

A device that has been temporarily unlocked is only vulnerable on that interface that was chosen when it is unlocked. So, basically, me reading between the lines here, it essentially means that if a compromised Blockstream Green app or any other app that is able to talk to the Blockstream Jade,

if that app was compromised, they could semi crash the device so that they could do some limited code execution. Remote code execution on any computer is bad, but when you're holding private keys, for obvious reasons, can be a very bad thing.

There is no known compromises in the wild. This was reported by a white hat hacker group using traditional responsible disclosure. Blockstream team have released a fix weeks ago. So if you just update it as part of the product life cycle, you're already up to date and you're already fine.

So it looks like nobody thankfully lost any funds here, but the potential ramifications for this one, again, using the assumption that your jade was talking to a compromised app,

could have been pretty bad. But luckily, it seems as though it's been caught before any private key exposure or fund loss took place. Very good you have these white hat hackers who are watching your back.

Yeah. Absolutely. There's a good summary here. If an attacker is able to execute a malicious request, they may change the running software until the device reboots. Additionally, they may potentially read and write the device's internal storage and send RPC messages to the host device.

This means that the severity of any future exploit based on this vulnerability ranges from griefing the user by destroying stored data to potentially extracting the user's secret key and returning it via RPC reply message.

So it could have been very fucking bad. But, thankfully, it was caught by an independent group, responsibly disclosed, and then the blockchain team hopped on it very quickly, and all is well with the world. So just make sure that you're up to date. Okay. Next on the list. This was an interesting one that I didn't see coming.

Bitcoin Keeper is moving to a community led model. You're familiar with Bitcoin Keeper, Max, I presume. Obviously, we've talked about it quite some time. It's pretty feature packed. You know, they had BIP 85.

They had some mini script stuff in there. They had some inheritance paid inheritance features. They had support for all of the various different hardware wallets. They even had Whirlpool at one stage, didn't they? So the it was very, very feature packed.

According to a blog post, again, in the show notes, the kind of business backed side of the app is now essentially ceasing to exist. Mhmm. And Bitcoin Keeper is moving to a community led model, quote, one that better matches its architecture, purpose, and time horizons.

So what does this mean for users? Well, all of the features in Bitcoin Keeper are now free. There's no subscriptions, no paywalls, and no premium tiers. Bitcoin Keeper is no longer operated as a company driven product.

Development and maintenance are community led, which means it's gonna be a lot slower, if at all. And, yeah, you still have the ability to tip the original creators within the app. There's now no paid services. The keeper remains fully non custodial. There's no lock ins. It's open source under an MIT license.

And, yeah, my thought on this is that there wasn't enough appetite, you know, to pay the bills essentially. Yeah. Which is why they move into this model, I guess. You could look at it as a I don't wanna say abandonment,

but, like, as a bit of a failure of the business model that they had, which is sad to see. They seem to have a pretty good team behind them. It's really sad to see that they couldn't make a go of this as a thriving business. But what's your take?

Well, actually, before you come in, I just wanna say that that previous comment that I just said was me guessing. I have no idea. They don't specify the reason for the change in the blog post. This is just me attempting to read between the lines. But, yeah, what's your take? I think, firstly, it's difficult running a good company

in any industry. It's just hard. Like, making businesses run and earn money is actually not the easiest thing in the world. And then doing it in the Bitcoin world is, I think, a lot, lot harder. So it could well be that. And then on top of that, I think, you know, we talked about it a lot, but I think maybe

some people with everything that's happened with Samurai case and the obvious push away from, like, people being able to have their own custody and freedom and, like, all that good stuff.

Maybe if you're running a business and even if it is somewhat successful and you are keeping the lights on, but it's not doing anything massive, you might just say, yeah. Do you know what? I don't need this shit.

And maybe some people are just stepping away and going into more traditional stuff rather than

potentially risking they come for Samurai today, who do they come for tomorrow? Is it us? Because we're talking about stuff and how to do things. Is it a company that allows people to use their features that they've built that could be used in a way that the government couldn't like? I don't know.

I think it's gotta play into it to some extent. If you're running a business that sort of does okay ish, but you're putting loads of energy and time and money into it, and you could just take that risk completely off the table while still allowing people to use the features you've made and you just move on.

I wouldn't see that as necessarily a failure. It might just be a move that you'd make that is logical.

Yeah. That's probably a a much better way to describe it. I think I probably used some out of context words there, but, yeah, I agree. So sad to see. Maybe if there's any paid Bitcoin Keeper users that were on the premium tiers, like, I don't know what that means for those people that might have paid upfront. Are they getting refunds?

What happened? Like, they had some inheritance stuff where I think Keeper held a key. Obviously, I I don't know what happens to those sorts of users now, whether they need to rotate their setups, whether they've had any instructions on that. I'm not sure.

So if you are one of those and this is news team, maybe you wanna make some inroads with the team to see how that impacts you. Yeah. Let us know. It'd be interesting to hear. Yep. Absolutely.

Last one on the list, the news list at least, MetaMask, famous and long standing browser extension wallet popular in the Ethereum and DeFi world, which has been around for,

I think, longer than I've been in Bitcoin. MetaMask seems to have been a thing over on the Ethereum side of the world. Yeah. They have added Bitcoin support to their browser extension, which has always been a very strange way to manage your Bitcoin and your crypto Horrible. In my yeah. In my opinion, like, just

it's just never sat comfortably with me. I've never really used Ethereum or anything like that. Just the thought process of, like, keeping your funds in a browser extension. Like, browsers are so naughty functional. Like, why would you even have that risk? But I guess you could push back and say,

you know, treat it like a Lightning Wallet, have some small amounts in there so that you can, you know, go and buy your cat pictures or whatever shit they do over there Yeah. Then maybe that's fine. But, yeah, they've made the foray over into Bitcoin.

The reason I mentioned this because otherwise, it would be a bit of a nothing burger, and I wouldn't urge people to use browser extension wallets for obvious security risks, is that MetaMask is, like, one of the biggest wallets in the world, rightly or wrong. Yeah. Yeah. They have a 143,000,000 downloads and 30,000,000

monthly active users. It's So quite literally one of the most popular wallets in the whole world.

Isn't it amazing how much of a small bubble we live in That's exactly what I was gonna say. Within a relatively small bubble. Like, the crypto industry is quite a small bubble. And then we're the group that's looking at everyone else. This huge user base going, I wouldn't leave more than $50 on there or a $100 on there or something.

And you just know there are some of these fucking degen, eth trading, cat picture loving people with, like, hundreds of millions of dollars in a fucking browser extension. You just know there is, and it's mental. Crazy. So I'm looking at this as a kind of positive that it might bring Bitcoin exposure to more people.

But I guess, again, you you could probably argue that if you're using fucking MetaMask on a browser extension, you probably already know what Bitcoin is. So it's is it gonna garner much additional Bitcoin usage? I don't know.

The other cool thing is that they've actually built this on top of BDK, Bitcoin dev kit, which is like a popular Bitcoin development kit, I guess. The the clue is actually for me. That's what we build Envoy on. I know the Bull Wallet guys. I think they use BDK.

Like, there's a lot of the popular mobile wallets that are coming out now are using BDK as a framework. And it seems that MetaMask, even though they've been around for years and years and probably have quite a big team behind them, they're still leaning on tools like this to add Bitcoin integration.

Thought that was pretty cool and and quite unexpected. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. And even if it's only a small percentage of those users, there's a massive user base. You know, you only have to have a few people converted.

Yeah. Absolutely. Alright, mate. Should we hit the boosts? Let's do it. Alright. I'll kick off with, as always, late stage huddle. 6,006 sats. And he said, listening to this now and realizing that I completely missed Bitcoin Brief 70,

I can confirm that fountain chapters don't work for shit. I was scrolling through the boost section to listen again for my boost, and it was all news info. Gonna listen to episode 70 now. Keep up the good work, gents, and keep your chins held high. Pardon, Samurai.

Nice message. Yes. User two two two nine zero six six eight with three thousand five hundred sats. No comment. That is the comment. No. I put that in. It was literally blank. Oh. Well, thank you. Just blank. User, whoever you are. Sasha boosted with 500 stats and said, great show. Stay ungovernable.

Pies.

One two one plus one two one plus one two one sat. So I guess three separate boosts. Correct. He says twenty years ago, I took a plea deal for four to eight years instead of risking the ten to twenty years they wanted to give me.

If I didn't have kids, I would have went to trial. What a shit. Why is, like, all the nice people end up going to prison? It's fucking I have to ask though, Pies. What did you do, or what did they alleged that you did? To be fair, I know some of Pies' stories, and maybe he was a bit of a naughty boy.

Peas in the upper quadrant, laughing face emoji. Salute, eggs, steak, mushroom, and strong-arm. And finally, Gnostigang with a 103 sats that says a big voluptuous, juicy Christmas ham. Interesting.

Christmas ham. Yeah. I think I prefer that to turkey. Definitely. Prefer anything to turkey. Christmas ham is quite nice. I guess he means, like, gammon or something like that. Yeah. That's true. That's quite a done thing. Gammon,

and, you know, do all the glazes on it, like honey glazed ham and that kind of stuff. It's actually very nice. Yeah. That is one thing the yanks do pretty well, like sauces and glazes. They're pretty good at that. I'll give them that. Yeah. They do. We give them a hard time, but there is a lot of jealousy there

with some of the stuff that it's shit in many ways, but there are some free the guns and glazes, I think, are the two things that really set them apart. Jordan, there's your show title. For Guns and Glazes.

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question popped into my head actually this morning, and I thought I'll ask Max his thoughts on this when we record. Do you think they have mince pies in America? Definitely not. They're not cultured enough. But if they do have them, I bet they call them something completely different.

Yeah. They'll be like Christmas cakes or something gay like that. Do you know what? Like, I probably wouldn't be against that because mince pies makes no sense. I mean, the pie bit does, obviously.

Well, and the mince bit because it's mince. That's what it's called. Like, that's what that Yeah. No. I understand that. But, like, if you say in any other context, oh, mint, you think ground up cow. Yeah. You think beef mince. So, yeah, I get what you mean. I don't know. I don't think they're gonna use mince pies.

I think if they had something close, it's gonna be like the pie bit with extra sugar, and then they'll, like, fill it with cream, and then they'll, like, deep fry it and then chuck a load of sugar on top of that. Something like that, won't they? I'm just chatting with Chuck GBC. What do Americans call mince pies?

In The US, mince pies aren't really a common thing, so there is no single standard name. Yeah. I thought so. They're quite an average thing to eat. Like, I never eat a mince pie, and I'm, like, blown away by it. Oh, you've not got the right mince pies then, mate. Really? You think they're good?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got bought some yesterday. We had some guests around, and they brought me some whiskey filled mince pies, like Oh. Or

one of them. Was it Clempella? It was it was some, like, whiskey brand who'd made them. They're, like, nice ones. So I thought, well, they could be quite pleasant. But you have it just on its own cold or hot Yeah. Or with ice cream or with cream or what do you do? Just on its own. Cold? Yes. You've met me in person many times, Mark.

So you you know that I'm not a large guy. Most people probably call me pretty skinny. I have pretty good self control with food with most things. Mhmm. If you put a pack a full pack of mince pies in front of me, I will finish them all. Like, it's one of the few foods that I have zero control with whatsoever.

That's so weird. I'm like that with ice cream. If I just say, I'll just have a bit of ice cream. Like, if I get a a tub of Ben and Jerry's or, like, Haagen Dazs or something, like a nice tub Yeah. I will I will finish the whole thing. Okay. I'll just have one spoonful. Oh, yeah. A tub of Ben and Jerry's is a single serving.

Yes. I mean, don't get me wrong. I'll feel like death for, like, a full twenty four hours after it, but I'll have a good ten minutes while I'm attacking the pot. Yeah. The classic is getting high and then just sitting with a tub of ice cream flat. Always have a little bit. Yeah. Bring the whole tub tub with you and just sit.

Just fucking smash the whole lock. That's

the Christmas spirit. Yeah. Indeed. Well, we digressed a little bit there, didn't we? Yeah. Thank you for your support as always, guys. We do appreciate the stats coming through. Thank you very much. You too. Right. Updates and releases. We'll do the questions at the end, shall we? Yeah. Let's do that. Fountain

version one point four point zero has been released. It's got a wallet redesign. They've now added Nosta Wallet Connect so you don't have to use the internal wallet, which was always the main gripe of mine. You can boost shows

within fountain from your own node, which is nice over thanks to Nosta Wallet Connect. No more custodial wallet if you don't want to use it. And then they've just got whatever payment upgrades means, which is pretty vague, but I'm just trying to find oh, yeah. It's just like a redesigned screen

flow for a much smoother and more transparent experience. Oh, you can pay Lightning addresses now as well. You can withdraw to strike. Looks like I've got a bit of an integration there.

Okay. Oh, okay. And you can choose payment methods. Quote, more podcasts and artists now support card payments, allowing you to pay in your preferred currency through Stripe. Interesting. I know some, podcasts have, like, paid tiers now, don't they, where you can get shows at a time or get bonus shows?

Well, looks like you can now do that via card payment as well as Bitcoin as well if you want to. Okay. Next on the list, we have RoboSat version zero point eight point three alpha. TLDR here for the what is new. There are two new coordinators and some bug fixing and some security updates.

The names of the new coordinators, White Eye Sats, and the other one is literally called Alice. Nice. Who the fuck is Alice? Yeah. Exactly. Great song. Next on the list, the Dojo open source project now has its own website,

which looks great actually. I've not stumbled across this until I had the link saved for the show notes, but I hadn't actually clicked on it. I've done a good job here. It said dojo-osp.org.

Presumably, this is just a consolidation of all of the the relevant links where you can install it from. And, yeah, it's got the install guide and all that sort of nice stuff on there just in a fancier format with links to all of the tangential stuff around, like, bit 47, the $1 fee estimator,

the Boltzmann tools, PGP key, Warren Canaries, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. So this is nice to see. What else have we got? Passport Core version two point three point one one, just a point release, has now been released.

Very minor update. We've got an update for a new Casa logo, just updating the UI. We've added a connection flow for the BullWallet integration, which we spoke about on the previous show, and there's a minor fix for some firmware update issue that certain users were facing when they were trying to install the wrong firmware.

We didn't have a very elegant error message, but now we do. Next on the list, we've got Igloo Web, which is from the froster team, I believe. Igloo Web runs a remote signer for your Nosti private key using froster, which we've spoken about in the password. It's like threshold signatures.

It's like offline not offline, off chain multisig, but for your agnostic key, but obviously, you can also use it for Bitcoin as well. Your private key is split into shares, and signing requires multiple shares to cooperate.

The full key is never reconstructed. Now I think this is really cool tech. I think it's probably overkill for a Nosta private key to have multisig. I can see some use cases, I guess, in, like, corporate things where, you know, you might wanna rotate out somebody's

partial access to a private key if you give them the sack or something like that. But I just wanted to highlight because it's kind of cutting edge stuff, and I'm a nastier shell. You are? BTC pay server version 2.3

o has been released. Loads of bug fixes, some minor improvements on user flows, but the main headlines here, they have now added a subscriptions feature, which allows merchants to accept recurring payments from customers,

which I thought was pretty cool and something that we might look to implement with the kind of Envoy subscription thing that we've teasing for quite some time. So that's pretty cool that you can do that and manage it all from your BTP

site. I like that. Very nice. Yeah. Very nice. Some other stuff around, like, email rules and, I guess, automations and things that you might now be able to do for, you know, when you get payments from your BT Pay store and things like that. So further cementing it as a powerhouse in terms of merchant tooling.

Next on the list, we've got Cake Wallet version five point six point five. Point release minor one, got bug fixes that are not detailed, and connectivity enhancements. But aside from this, and I've had the authority for mister for privacy for us to talk about this, you and I got access to a early alpha that is not yet public

that has well, what does it have, Max? It's got some Lightnings in there. Oh, yes. More specifically, Lightning capabilities via the Spark network,

which, again, we've spoken about a little bit in the past. It's like a scaling solution or a scaling network layer two, I guess you could call it, run by the Lightspark team that makes some slightly different trade offs to the ARC protocol, which we've also spoken about at length.

There will also be linked in the show notes, a very detailed blog post that Seth has done comparing ARC and Spark and the pros and cons of each. So if you wanna get into the nitty gritty, please feel free to click that link. Yeah. Literally got access to it over the weekend.

I didn't have a chance to to play around with it until this morning. Seth's been kind of asking for some feedback, and it's the first Spark powered wallet that I've come across and used in the wild. And I gotta say, I'm very, very impressed.

It literally just takes out all of the headaches again with some trade offs, which Seth eloquently outlined in his blog post in great detail. In terms of would I feel comfortable

giving this to my wife to try and get to grips with, yes. That was probably the easiest way that she could access the Lightning Network right now, again, with some trade offs. Yeah. I haven't yet tested it, but plan to over the next couple of days.

But, I mean, it's one of those I almost don't need to test it because I know whatever they put out is always high quality and just works. So I am looking forward to that and also having something to be able to recommend to people, you know, trying to set family members and stuff up. Because there's loads of stuff.

Like, I would like to use Bitcoin with with friends and family. Even with, like, Phoenix or something like that, trying to get a normal person to set it up is a little bit too much. So I'm hoping this makes things even easier for them. It really does lower the barrier to entry to lightning accessibility whilst keeping

some semblance of being somewhat close to what we could definitively say is self custody. We've

spoken about the fact that that terminology has kind of become a bit of a gray area at the moment as to what does it actually mean when we've got all of these different hybrid models and things like that. For smaller amounts, Spark seems to make some pretty good trade offs.

And I know that the way that they've done it at Cake, at least by the time they launch anyway, will have removed most of the privacy trade offs that were prominent with the initial implementations of Spark, namely with the WalletSatoshi integration where basically anybody that pays you can see your entire activity.

Kate are not using that specific implementation. The implementation that they are using fixes that so that, you know, if I pay you, Max, I can't just then look up your Spark address and see your activity within that kind of side network, which is obviously a good thing.

Very happy to be playing with that sort of stuff. I think it's gonna be very well received. There's still some polishing to do. It is quite an early alpha. I gave Seth a nice long list of feedback early this morning,

and I'm sure there'll be more stuff that comes up. As a first attempt, they did a a fantastic job, and I'm looking forward to seeing it in the wild. Definitely. I think that's kind of the the one thing that was missing, you know, for a lot of people in that wallet. You know, what does cake do? Everything.

It does everything, pretty much. And it's like, what doesn't it do? Lightning? That's kind of it? Yeah. The main two were, like, Lightning and hardware wallet support. I know that they talked to Ledger and Trezza, but it's kinda like a segmented thing, I think.

Oh, and multisig, I suppose. There's plenty for them to go out, but they are doing a wonderful job. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's true. Multisig as well. Yeah. They're doing a good job. Don't worry. I'm in his ear. I'm sure he'll

I don't wanna take anything away from him, actually. Like, the changes that have been made since he joined are quite astounding, actually. It's a really good wallet. Yeah. Yeah. It's proper mental. It's probably why he sounds exhausted every time you speak to him. I always laugh because I'm like, how are doing, mate?

And he's like, yeah. I'm doing good. You sound fucking exhausted, mate, all the time. I know he's grinding. Certainly is. But you can see the fruits of his labor.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. You can. Hopefully, he gets a little bit of a break over Christmas, and he can just unwind for a few days and then come out the gates strong again in the new year. Yeah. Agreed. Next on the list, Zeus version 0.12 main release is now available.

We've spoken about the betas and the release candidates of this one, but it's now available for main release so that you don't need to YOLO. It's been tested and it's deemed safe for release.

Quick recap, you've got NOSTA Wallet Connect, circular channel rebalancing tools, battery saver detection for the embedded LND nodes, can import with format private keys, which not many wallets do these days. You have swaps, ability to scan addresses and invoices.

You've got loads of other stuff. Those are the main ones anyway. So, yeah, again, another one of my favorite wallets, Zeus, is continuing to smash out of the park. Very nice. There was also a a small bug with the way that you could connect QR based hardware wallets like Passport.

So I've been working with Evan on that one. I believe that fix is also included in this release as well. So that has been now reinstated, and you should be able to easily connect your Passport or other QR based wallets.

I had a weird glitch with Zeus. Mine was playing up, then my node that I had running a friend of mine was running it for me. They messaged me like, your

laptop is about to blow up. Like, I'm gonna have to power it down because the whole thing is swollen and the mouse Oh, shit. The mouse bit is actually, like, bubbling out and so is the keyboard.

So this thing is gonna blow. And so they powered it down, and I was like, can you just power it on so that I can try and drain my lightning balance off Zeus before I lose everything?

So they did that, and then it was going on Zeus. I couldn't send anything out even though I have a channel with loads of connections. Couldn't send anything out. Couldn't close channels.

Then I tried to, like, pay for their LSP or whatever to try and open up another channel so I could send the rest out. That wasn't working. So I think at this point, because I don't want their house to burn down.

I think at this point, it's gonna just be a case of you just lose your funds. Oh, man. Luckily, it's not gonna destroy me financially. Well, have you got the seed for the wallet? Do you know what? I'm not sure. It's probably in a notebook somewhere in The UK

that I haven't brought with me. It's not enough money on there for me to, like, go through the stress of, like, flights and stuff. I probably got about a $100,150 dollars on there or something. Like, it's annoying,

but it's not, like, gonna absolutely destroy me. It's not worth me, like, spending a week trying to fuck around kind of thing. Yeah. It's just a reminder. Like, you should be doing backups and all this kind of stuff and make sure, you know, when you're messing around with lightning.

I've not kept enough on there for it to be, like, a major problem, but I do now need a new node. That was that fucking star book. Oh, really?

Yeah. The cunt. How many problems have those things given us? And then it nearly burnt someone's house down. Yeah. It's weird. You know? Because I get asked quite a lot about this laptop by people, you know, on Telegram and things like that and giving feedback because we've spoken about it quite a lot.

Mine has been pretty much faultless the entire time that I've used it. Admittedly, I don't use it much anymore. But I know you've had some terrible issues with it. I think

did Seth have one at one point, and he didn't like it? And I know Catan had many issues with his as well. Most of his shoes. Yeah. So it's difficult for me to recommend despite mine actually being pretty bulletproof.

Yeah. And they look great. They really, like, nailed the design, and the materials felt quite nice and all of that. But, yeah, nightmare. I mean, it literally, I sent you a picture. It's like swelling out of the casing. That's scary.

Yeah. It's not good. So now I need to sort a new node and organize myself again because that's what I was using. Damn. Okay. Yeah. Well, godspeed. Let me get it sorted soon. Thanks, mate. That was it for the updates and releases. The last part for the question, just some links to cool educational

bits of info linked, again, as always, in the show notes. The guys from BullWallet, namely g g, has done a nice short video on how you can use Passport Call with the new BullWallet, how you can go through the connection flow and the send and receive flow.

Alongside this announcement of the partnership, they shared a really cool AI thirty second video. It's like a little promo video, which I urge everybody to go and check it out. Again, it's linked in the show notes that announces the partnership.

And it takes thirty seconds to watch it, but it just leans on the fact that Passport Call looks a little bit like the old Nokia phones that anybody of a similar age to ourselves will be all too familiar with. Yeah. I think I saw the start of it. Is it like some kid who's on a bus or something? Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Very good.

Next on the education list, the guys at Nunchuk have released, quote, the definitive guide to Bitcoin inheritance

Oh. Which is a very detailed post, again, linked in the show notes that talks about, like, all of the problems with different inheritance solutions, all of the trade offs, all of the pros and cons, what might be right for different types of people, who you need to trust.

I will caveat this by saying that this is obviously geared towards their services. Mhmm. I guess the way it's presented, it all does make sense. So I'm not knocking them here for kinda steering the journey towards their products because I believe they are very, very good. There's certain aspects

of this that made me take a step back and look at my own scenarios as well. So if you've got any number of Bitcoin as as a significant part of your personal wealth and inheritance is ever unanswered question in your brain, then maybe have a read through this because it is very,

very thorough and might make you realize a few things and kind of make some new considerations as to how you approach your setup as well. Worth reading. And then the last one on the list is just a a good article by Zach Shapiro, an article on Bitcoin Magazine.

This title, pardoning the samurai developers would restore legal clarity and protect non custodial code. And it's just a great short piece that just, again,

highlights the many inconsistencies and insanities within the case that I just wanted to shine a bit of a light on for people who might be a little bit behind on the the scenario and what's going on with them. It's a good catch up on the impacts of the case. Yeah. Alright. Let's hit the questions before we sign off for 2025,

mate. Yeah. I'm gonna do the second one first, Max, if you're looking at the list. Yeah. Because I think this is aimed at you, but I will also answer after you as well. It comes from Huxley on Noster, and they said, how are you getting on with Home Assistant?

Well, I'm quite far ahead in that I've gathered all the things that I want set up in the house, but haven't yet bought or built a minicomputer to run it all. So I've got the cameras that you suggested.

I've got fucking loads of them. The whole property is gonna have them. I've got the little, what they call, repeater things. Those have got light bulbs. I've got a little hub for the cameras. I've got all the sort of, like, bits that I need and a new router, another flint too because I left mine in The UK.

So I've got all those bits, but I just haven't got the computer to run it and set that final bit up is where I'm at. Okay. Bit confused by it, if I'm honest. I'm sort of where I am in the North Pole, it's limited what you can get your hands on. So I can order some things from Amazon, but not everything.

And so I'm kind of thinking about what computer. And then I'm thinking, do I just run that and a node on one bit of hardware? Because now I need to get a node set up as well. So that's why I'm umming and ahhing about how to do it. I'm not sure.

Yeah. I think if you do it on a proper piece of hardware, then, yeah, absolutely fine. As long as you're not doing it on a pie, then a little mini desktop, a cheap one, is gonna be more than powerful enough to run a a node and home assistant,

maybe a little Umbrella home or something like that. Yeah. But wouldn't you have problems then? Like, how would you say, like, a flash the thing with start nine or whatever,

then when it boots up, it's just like start nine mode. Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't know how I would then add home assistant. Well, if you run Umbrella Home, it has a Home Assistant app on it. Oh, it would have to be Umbrella. The Umbrella software. Yeah. But you don't have to buy their hardware.

No. No. No. But what I mean is my node would have to be Umbrella rather than Yes. Do you see any problem with that? Like, would you feel comfortable? Well, it depends, like, if you want oh, no. Because Umbrella's got Dojo software. I don't think there's anything that Start Nine has right now that Umbrella doesn't.

In fact, I think it's the other way around, to be honest. Okay. Umbrella's far more feature packed. So as long as you got decent enough hardware, then that could be, for you, one of the easiest ways to do it because easy interface.

It's got all the Bitcoin node stuff on there, and you've got a Home Assistant app that is gonna be a one click install and isn't gonna take over the whole machine so that you can still do the node stuff as well. Yeah. Okay. And we covered the other day, didn't we, that it is actually open source as in it's source viewable.

Correct. Something like that, isn't it? Which is what I always thought it was a bit of a black box, and I had some concerns around that. But, actually No. Not at Unless you can think of anything,

I don't see why I shouldn't do that. So okay. So I just need to find some hardware, set that up, have my notes set up and the home assistant, bish bash bosh, done. I just need to get the right hardware now. That's the answer. Yeah.

I mean, like I said, I don't know what Umbra Home retails at these days, but they've always been pretty reasonably priced. I know this sounds like an advert, and I've definitely have no affiliation with the Umbrella guys, but I just know that they've always been a pretty good price. Yeah. From £259, obviously, that's to The UK.

If you want more than decent enough storage, big enough for a Bitcoin node, the minimum size you want is a two terabyte, and that's still less than £400 delivered. So That's not too bad. It's not bad at all. Okay. Alright. A bit more delivery prices to the North Pole. But Yes. Unfortunately, it would be.

What I normally do is look at the specs of the hardware that they offer and then go and see if you can build your own for significantly cheaper.

I'd say with the price of memory these days, if you haven't got any hardware line now, you probably won't be able to because Umbrella and companies similar to that that sell hardware have economies of scale, don't they, where they can buy and book and keep the cost down.

Do a comparison and see whether you can beat the price and weigh that up versus how much more of a headache it'll be by building your own hardware. Okay. And to answer the question, if it was aimed at me, Huxley, is that I haven't touched it since. It's just been there,

working control of my shit, and I haven't added anything or taken anything away at the moment. My focus has been elsewhere. That's exactly what you want, something that you can just forget, and it's like, oh, yeah. That's just working and has been working for six months.

Yeah. That's that's the beauty of that Zigbee stuff, mate, because it's all local radio waves. It just it just works. Excellent. Exactly what I'm looking for. Nice. Alright. Final question comes from Tam Tam Bam,

great name, on Nosta. This was actually aimed towards Freedom Tech Friday, but as I responded to them on Nosta, there isn't gonna a Freedom Tech Friday for a couple of weeks so that we would get to it on the brief.

The question is, just wondering what your thoughts are about Pear Pass and KEET, etcetera. I may have missed it, but I haven't heard your thoughts and discussions on this show. Now this comes off the back of the Tether backed team releasing an app or multiple apps across platform app

called PairPass, which as the name suggests, is a password manager. I've given it fifteen minutes of my time this morning just to quickly see how it works, and I installed one on my phone and another one on my laptop.

And it has all of the basic features that you would expect from a a modern day password manager, you can make notes, passwords, logins, credit card details, private notes, etcetera, etcetera.

And the way that PairPass works is that they are all stored locally on that device. The key or the USP here is that there is no central server, whereas most things like ProtonPass and Bitwarden, if you use them in the kind of default sense, they will have a central server which stores and manages all of your data.

Now all of that data is encrypted, providing you use the right services like Proton or Bitwarden. So those services cannot see your data. They can never hack your passwords, etcetera, etcetera. But I guess what they could do is

delete your data or mismanage it because they could delete the encrypted blob that belongs to max @ungovernablemisfits.com or whatever max's email address is for that account. With Pearpass, there literally is no central server.

Everything is stored locally on your phone or your laptop. But the magical part is that I'll walk you through what I did today. I got up my phone. I made a test note. I saved it on my phone.

I then installed the Pearpass app on my laptop. The two are completely independent. But on my phone, there's a little button that says add device. And it gives me a QR code, and it also gives me a text string of whatever's included in that QR code.

And I pasted that in on my laptop, and then everything just synced as if it was by magic. And I say by magic because cross device sync is, like, common practice for most apps these days. But knowing that it's doing that without a central server is the kind of wow factor here.

And that runs on top of or the magic that makes that happen is called Pair Runtime, which is also built by the team behind Pair, I guess, which is, again, abacked by the money printer that is Tether. Pair Runtime,

I'm gonna read here because I don't fully understand it, is a peer to peer technology that removes the need for centralized servers. Your data is processed across your own devices, giving you faster performance, total privacy, and complete control of your sensitive information.

It's completely free. It's completely open source as well and auditable, which they haven't done for a lot of their other parts of this stack, like, keep the messenger. That is not yet completely open source, whereas this one, for obvious reasons, it's a password manager at the end of the day.

It's been completely open source from launch, and I believe that is all for the various different platform applications as well. So my early impressions are the way it works does seem kind of magic. The UI, if I'm being honest, is very how can I put this politely? It needs a bit of work,

but it is the very first release, so I'll let them off for that. And knowing that they've built things like Key, which has a pretty good user interface,

and it's also backed by Tether, which is, you know, backed things like BitKey, which has a wonderful UI. Not BitKey. PubKey. No. What's that what's that wallet that's backed by Tether? I think it is called BitKey, isn't it?

Might be. I'm not talking about the hardware wallet by block. I'm talking about the mobile application.

I I'm not sure. I'm not sure. It's a good looking app. They're all built on top of this hole punch technology or pair runtime, which basically is the magic kind of peer to peer network that allows all of this syncing and message sending if you're using key and things without any centralized server. So it does seem, like, promising,

I guess. And, like I say, the way in which it works was seamless. It just needs a bit of polishing. And the fact that it's so new is making me very reluctant to kind of lob all my passwords in there for now. So It's one that I'm cautiously optimistic about, but I wanna see how it goes essentially.

Wasn't KEET and hole punch and all this stuff also supposed to be able to do, like, file sharing and that kind of stuff? They already can, I believe? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I did download it a couple of years ago or whatever it was and then just didn't continue using it. I can't remember why. Maybe no one else was using it or something.

Just before we sign off, I'm just quickly looking to see if I can find an overview of how it works. But if I can't, then we can just call it. Have you started using that? What's it called? Maple. Yeah. Yeah.

I was supposed to have marks on the other day, but I was too sick. I was just like, mate, we have to do it in the new year. You recommend it then?

Yeah. I haven't paid for it yet. I'm still using the free tier because, like I say, my AI usage is pretty limited at the moment. Seems to have good results with it. So, yeah, there's no way I'm gonna be able to simplify that. So Okay.

Alright. So, yeah, brings us to the end of the list, the 2025. I guess we can just sign off, mate, by just saying thanks for everybody for their support this year. It's great to see new listeners come in. It's great to see the old listeners sticking around and continuing to support the show. Doesn't go unnoticed. Yeah.

Thanks to all the team in the background as well for helping make the show happen. Everybody, you know who you are. Thank you for helping produce the show. Yeah. Thank you, everyone. It's been a massive year. Loads of changes going on. Loads of new listeners.

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