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Rodney.

Rodney. How you doing, mate? I we obviously, this isn't the the very first second that we spoke, so already know you're you're ill again. Oh, John, I'm not even that ill. The rest of the family's really sniffling and snuffling and sludge coming out their noses and all that good stuff. I'm just like 9590%.

I'm I'm fine. Just a bit like like that. Not firing on all cylinders? No. How about you? I'm alright. Yeah. Holiday season well and truly over. Back at HQ, back to the grind. Absolutely jack shit to look forward to to the rest for the rest of the year. So fighting off fighting off minor depression.

Other than that, everything's great. Lovely. Did you I just wondered as you were on holiday, I was thinking of you. I was like, little cunt. He's gonna be sat with a beer in the sunshine just enjoying life.

And then I thought, I wonder if he is missing his little mate, Claude. Like, do you have Claude withdrawal syndrome? Like, you're there with your family, the most loved, and Jabir, the second most loved, and then your third most loved at this point? Is it creeping up there as, like, almost like your best mate? Certainly.

I wouldn't say best mate because that sounds pretty tragic, doesn't it? I I I would say maybe maybe I'm in a not in a monogamous relationship anymore, something to that effect. To answer your question, did I think about it on holiday? Absolutely not. I've got a kid who Really?

Is hyperactive, especially when there's a swimming pool involved in the sun and there's beer and it's all inclusive. So unfortunately, Claude did did have to take a a back seat for for a week while I good. Turned myself into a fat twat.

You're already halfway there, mate. You just had to take the fat off the list.

That's good. I was I was worried. I was thinking, like, will you be sat there, like, oh, I could be getting this done. Like, yeah. I could oh, I wanna speak to Claude about building this thing and blah blah blah. The bit on the side, she needs no attention.

Yeah. Well, do you know what? The the time away and the time away from screens and stuff is obviously excellent. It's good for your health, good for your mental health and stuff. But it did actually give me a lot more time to, like, just for my brain to wander.

I had just loads of good ideas where and and you'll probably know yourself like when you are balls to the wall and you just grind, grind, grind, grind, grind, like Yeah. My creativity just trends towards zero.

So having a week to reset whilst drinking copious amounts of beer and eating many many pizzas Lovely. Was it it kind of like reset my creativity. Came back with a, like, a list of of notes of shit that I thought, that's a good idea. Maybe me and me and the the side chick should should get to it when I when I'm back at

I'm caught up with all of the work that I missed, obviously. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. Oh, it was a wonderful, wonderful holiday, but you you I presume you've been on all inclusive before, and it got to, like, the seventh or sorry, the sixth day, like, the day before we go home, and I was just like,

I think I'm ready to go home for a salad now.

I've done one all inclusive holiday. We were supposed to get married, me and my missus, like, during the COVID time. It got canceled, our wedding, then we got another one canceled. Then they locked down all the flights and all that stuff,

and I just lost it. I was like, right. We're going we're just spending the money now on a serious holiday, and we're going all inclusive. And we're gonna get out of here, we got, like, a fake note. We were key workers, basically. We had to fucking we had to fly.

We got out and did this all inclusive that was like I look back, and I'm like, oh, I can have a lot of sense for that. But it was I remember you telling me about this. Yeah. We had, like, a who would follow us around and, like, suggest wines and pairings and stuff. So I put on my Claude.

Like Claude. Was actually exactly like Claude.

Just following you around like, oh, alright. It was first thing in the morning. It's like, I suggest you have this champagne or suggest you oh, just got absolutely fucking battered every single day.

Came back with extra luggage. It was, yeah, it was good all inclusive. But I think now because I don't drink anymore. Missus barely drinks. The kids will have one or two, but not a lot. And I think it's not worth it's not, like, an all inclusive unless you're getting battered is not worth it because they get you on,

if you're a heavy drinker, you get your money back, don't you? You're like, yeah. I'm I'm winning here. If you're not, you don't manage to eat enough food of enough high value that it works itself out. So I think that's probably my last all inclusive holiday.

Nice. Yeah. I am a I am a big fan of them, but I'm not sure my my daughter ate enough chicken nuggets to get her money's worth.

Else is new in your world, mate? Well, I guess for me before I hand it over, thankfully, UK is no longer melting. So those of you that listen to Freedom Tech Friday as well as this show will be pleased to hear that I'm no longer sat here in my underpants. I am fully clothed, thankfully, because the temperature dropped.

But, yeah, what about you? Is it has there been I've been out the loop. Has there been any more samurai updates, any more letters from Keone or anything like that? We put one more out. Was it letter six that we'd sat on for a while, actually, but that's now gone out.

Got a very nice boost from Bon, 100,000 sat boost, which is extremely kind. Thank you, Bon. But then it failed because lightning. Oscar Mary was explaining something and Bon was explaining something. There's a lot of explanations, but I think, basically, the stats didn't go through. But I'm sure he'll boost them again.

So thank you, Bon. Yeah. Anyone who hasn't had a listen to the sixth notes from the inside. I think it was called two two years in was the That's the most recent one as well, isn't it? So we're up to speed now. Yeah. We're up to speed now.

As usual, tough listen, but, yeah, very, very good. And Silas Thornbrook took the time to read that for us, so thank you to him. Awesome. Yeah. Thank you, Silas. I I did I see Keanu's mom is now on Twitter as well, helping drive the campaign?

Yeah. Just gave her a verified that? I've I've verified it in the sense that I looked at who was following her and who had shared it. And I was like, if someone's gonna know, it's probably these people that I'm looking at.

It did, like, through social consensus or whatever you would call it, but definitely, I have not done any verification. So yeah. May maybe I'm sure someone will have. I'm sure if it's not really her, someone will have piped up by now Yeah. In our groups, I would have thought.

Agreed. Okay. Well, hi, Keanu's mom, and, yeah, sending love to you and the family. Absolutely. As always, link to support the the cause will be in the show notes, guys. Yep. Alright. So we move on to the news? Let's do it. Alright.

What I say news. So we we should rebrand this, the the doom section of the podcast. The doom. Yeah. We had a talk before we jumped on and started recording about just how fucking depressing the news section is.

But the options are, like, cut news out entirely, which is then pointless because it's the Bitcoin brief. Like, we need to know what's going on. Somehow change the world so that it isn't run by disgusting pedophiles who want to take away freedom. Again, hard.

What we've done instead is to just shorten it and rather than doing the bit where we're both just sad and depressed and kind of like, you know, that that's not good, but, know, it's expected and expect more and blah blah.

We say we're gonna just rate it out of 10 just like how shit or we just like doing shorts going, yep. Done. Bang. Bang. Bang. Through the things. Be depressed for five minutes, and then we move. I I don't know how quite to handle it, but less less.

We need, like, a dystopia scale or something. Oh, yeah. That'd be nice. Maybe I could do some little audio clips or something like that, like a a little rating system Yes. Through music or something.

I did start setting something up actually for, like, a sound board, but I haven't finished it yet. But I should have lots more sound board stuff coming back soon. Good. I am a I am a fan of the the audible interjections.

It is fun. Yeah. Alright. Well, let's just see. Basically, it's it's fucking depressing, but we we have to go through it, and we'll just do a short version. Before we do dive in to to the doom, like, what what's your current take on the state of the I don't wanna say the community because there's many different communities, but, like

like, what's your take on obviously, everybody's pissed off, bear market vibes, you know, the creeping digital Panopticon, etcetera, etcetera. That's all obvious. All that good stuff. Yeah.

Like, what's your like, do you think this continues? Do you think it gets turned around? Like, what's your just general sense of where we're heading as a as a collective?

I'll add this into the doom part.

I I don't like most Bitcoiners anymore, like Bitcoiners. I don't feel like I associate myself with them or want to or that I'm aligned with most of them. And when I say that, I mean, like, the loud, the voices, the faces, the people who are on the Twitters and the Nosters and all that kind of stuff.

I don't believe that any of them would be an asset to my left or to my right if we're on the front lines. I think they're mainly talk. It's all clout. The waters have been poisoned heavily.

There's distractions all over the place that I think are funded by sources you don't want involved in Bitcoin. I think most of the real ones well, I know most of the real ones that, like, I've met over the years that I'm would class as friends

generally aren't getting involved with those sort of conversations too much, and they're kind of dropping off the map and just dealing with the people they know to be, which is the other reason why I'm more heavily using and speaking to people involved in Monero is I like their community more. Like, some of them are annoying.

Some of them do the whole shilly, like, oh, it's going to this price and blah blah, and they're just as bad. Like, they're they're really fucking annoying, actually. But as a general rule, there's a much clearer goal around freedom and privacy and digital cash.

And I just think that most people that I see seem to be completely fucking lost in the Bitcoin world. So I know it's really do me, but that that's just my honest take. It's not good. K. Interesting. What about you? You you think differently?

Just before you say it, you've been to lots of events and, like, dealt with people face to face a lot more than I haven't been for years to any face to face events. I'm stuck in an igloo.

So I only see social media version of people, and they say things that they wouldn't to someone's face or in public. You know? So I think it's probably distorted in that sense. But anyway, can so go go on. You were gonna say something. Well, I will answer using

an analogy from Vegas this year that really paints the picture of. And and Vegas was a big realization for this that really it happened in front of my eyes. I knew it was happening anyway.

But the foundation booth was right next to the stretch, s t r c, the sailor preferred stock thing. They had a booth right next to us. Okay. Every single day when the doors open to the public, people were literally scrambling at that booth to get t shirts and hats and find out more information on how to get yield on their paper Bitcoin.

We were next to the the cake wallet booth. We would obviously, we we we we had our own right next to it as well. And, like, the volume of people going to the booths aligned with companies and, like like, Foundation Cake and things like that compared to the the mania that was happening at the paper Bitcoin stand right next to us

really made it hit home to me at how big of a shift that has been in Mhmm. The average person that interacts with air quotes Bitcoin. And, you know, anybody can check the tapes. Everything that we say is recorded. And we've been we've been calling this out, haven't we, for years and years and years. And there's probably stuff

upwards of, like, four or five years ago of us talking about, like, bifurcation of the network and two tier Bitcoin and things like that. And it just seems like that that's become a bit of a reality, really. And even even worse than that, I guess, because you've got it's more than two tier bitcoin because you've got all the paper

derivatives and stuff Yeah. Yeah. You know, on top of that. But literally just seeing it in in front of my own eyes, seeing people scrambling for t t shirts and drink bottles and stuff with stretch written on it because it was like the latest thing from the the orange the orange ties as Odell likes to call, which I think is a great

summarization of it. It's just the reality. I might not like it. I'm sure you don't like it. I'm sure people who are aligned with us don't like it. There's nothing we can do about it. I think it was inevitable.

That doesn't change the fact that Bitcoin already works today and has done for for multiple years for those that wanna use it in a more self sovereign way. The tool in that vein are still only ever getting better.

So I'm very split. I'm very torn. You know, self sovereign Bitcoin has never been easier to use, but the number of people actually practicing or the percentage of people interacting in the Bitcoin ecosystem that actually use Bitcoin that way is probably never been lower than it is today.

But Yeah. As a percentage. Yeah. As a percentage. But the overall number of people actually using Bitcoin in a self sovereign way is probably well, I don't think it's probably. It it it is increasing, isn't it? Definitely. Not as as not as fast as those chasing the the the 8% by seeing your pocket.

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I'd say the the final point on all of that stuff is I maybe came across a bit angry and, like, fed up on my description of, like, how I see the Bitcoin space. And I I guess if I really think about it, what I really

am bothered about because you're describing all the the orange ties and all the stuff, you know, people scrambling to get the MSTR tokens and whatever yield shit it is. It doesn't even annoy me. I I actually don't care about any of that stuff. I'm not concerned with

there being people who want to chase what they think is a good investment. That's fine. Good. I hope you make money. But what I don't like is there's a fakeness of hoodie wearing as if they care about the ideals that we've talked about for many years and privacy and freedom and that they're advocating for it.

But, actually, they're in the pockets of people that destroy that And the if things get tough at all, they'll just do a runner. And if people are put in prison for trying to create freedom and give us tools for freedom, they don't really support them unless it suits them because it gets them some attention. It's that fake layer

that angers me and makes me not wanna interact with people, not that there's two types of Bitcoiners or anything like that. I really couldn't care less. It's it's that fake layer and the the more fake

and the more retarded you are, the more attention you get and the more stats you get, and therefore, the more marketing you get. And that pisses me off. Oh, it's why I'm very happy that we have what we have with Ungovernable. We have some incredible listeners and a great crew, and I interact with that group.

But I just find it difficult outside of that, and I find that a shame. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting times. Interesting times. I'm I'm I'm cautiously optimistic about the future. And like I say, the the tools already work. They already exist, and they're they're still improving.

It's just a case of if you want to use them or not. Well, you're usually right, mate. So I hope you're right and I'm wrong. And let's see. That was do me. I love you all, all the ungovernables, you fake fucking twats, selling yourselves and spreading your assholes for

MSTR and having Sailor on your shows. And then as soon as he's not in the spotlight anymore and loved by all, then you start taking the piss out of him and doing silly memes and stuff again for more attention.

I see you. Let's move on to some happy news. Yes. Starting with GitHub completely banning Rust Lightning developer kit.

Yeah. So a tweet from Matt Corallo, also being covered by Bitcoin Magazine, is talking about the fact that basically GitHub

I'm quoting here, GitHub has decided our open source project has been permanently banned with no explanation and no option to appeal, pointing to a terms of service that clearly does not cover anything that we've done. Quote, I guess it's time for Bitcoin projects to leave GitHub.

So, yeah, Rust Lightning DevKit LDK is, as the name suggests, a developer kit for developers to build on top of you know, or build lightning tools in the Rust coding language. I don't know of any wallets that use it yet. I'm sure there's many out there. I just haven't researched enough.

But apparently, yeah, the the the the first initial happenings here was that the the the organization on GitHub currently had no CI, which is like quality and testing processes. They kind of got paused there because GitHub wrongly flagged one of their contributors.

It wasn't an admin or a maintainer of the project. It was just somebody who opened a new pull request to the project. So they weren't officially affiliated with the project. They escalated it through the, I guess, like, corporate account managers and got radio silence. And then a week later, they got the the the the permaban, essentially,

forcing them to now host or self host on a project that I've not heard of before called ForgeJoe, f o r g e j o, which I believe is like a a lightweight GitHub alternative. Again, which is optimized towards self hosting a little bit like GitLab.

Unclear as to now why they didn't go with GitLab because that seems, at least from my perspective, to be one of the more popular self hosted GitHub alternatives. I'm sure some of the the big brains will be able to to comment and tell us why.

But, yeah, they've they've gone self hosted because GitHub banned them for no apparent reason here. There's no kind of risk to users here, but I guess it is a canary in the coal mine that or a stark reminder that, wow, Git, the the the protocol itself is decentralized.

So it's not necessarily that, you know, this code could disappear forever because people have local copies and and whatnot. It's more a fact of GitHub is the de facto coordination layer on top of GitHub where people go to to comment, to post issues, to create pull requests.

It's it's the social layer on top of that where everybody goes, and removing that does create additional friction for projects if they they can't use it. And I guess it's you know, there's no saying that because GitHub's done this for one project that that's gonna stop there.

It's an age old reminder that, I guess, centralized platforms are single points of failure. It's a bit of a shame why we don't we didn't really get a reason for the the ban. Mhmm. But, yeah, just a reminder of, you know, it's if you are hosting code, don't put all of your your eggs in one basket. I've always found it weird. Like,

I've always just found that an odd I'm sure we've talked about there's been other cases where people have left GitHub and that it's be it's been talked about over the years. I always just found that weird as a non dev why

when there's so much or, like, at least there has been over the years. So much talk about, like, oh, you know, you only use Linux and you wanna do this and you wanna do that. Everything everything has to be run on your own hardware and blah blah blah blah. And then it's like, use GitHub.

I know it's like the what everyone does, but it does seem like at this stage after so many years of talking about it well, it sounds like you said a you said a different name. You said, why don't they just use?

GitLab was is the the the most GitHub alternative that I'm aware of, at least. Yeah. So they so there is one. So it's just that's like an what what's that like a self hosted version of Right. Exactly. Yep. Okay. Alright. So it's not like there isn't options?

No. No. There's well, there's there's two that I know of, but I'm sure there's many more than that as well. Yeah. I I think the the ultimate oh, sorry. The short answer to to your pushback is network effect. Same peep same reason we're on Twitter. Like, we all know it's a centralized shithole

that manipulates the users, but everybody's still there. Yeah. Because that's where everybody else is. Yeah. Oh, mine's got so aggressive recently. It's so desperate to make me angry about people coming into Europe and causing problems.

It's fucking desperate for me to be angry about that. I think it must think I'm still in The UK and then, like, be trying to push me to be at it's really fucking going for it. Like, every other post is that.

Same. And do you know what do you know what it makes me do? What? Close the app. Does it? You literally have the the opposite because I'm like, why are you surfing, like, somebody getting stabbed in Northern Ireland or something like that? That's all the stuff that I wanna see that for. So I just close it.

Yeah. It's honestly, it's constant. So it must be like it must have some sort of thing where it goes, right. We wanna make this guy fucking angry now. So they're in Europe, we think.

They're definitely far right because they like Bitcoin. I mean, like, they're they're definitely gonna be that. So let's let's just really fucking wind them up to cause some trouble. That's that's where I'm at. And then I I struggle to find any, like, actual Bitcoin stuff for, like, conversations and stuff.

It's either that, like, bit $1.10 mongs, or what else do I see? Like, it's basically that. It's like a jump between, like, stabbed in the neck or fucking I'm talking about bit $1.10, and I don't know what's worse. I don't I honestly don't know what I'd prefer to watch, a stabbing all that.

Lesser of two evils. I'm I'm getting to I'm getting to a point now where I am starting to, especially after having Derek on the other day and just, like, renostralling myself. I am definitely now more in the camp of, like, being pushed more towards I hope something gets better over there and it gets more usable for me and

more people join that conversation because it is it works people. Yeah. Well, people and and to work, like, I find the general experience of and I've tried a few different ones. What have I got? I've got Damas.

I've got them at Primal and Damas, and I find them both to be, like, okay, but just nowhere near as good as the experience I have on Twitter. Like, things load slowly.

I see a comment. I click on it. I'm like, oh, I can see this comment. This is obviously a response to something, but then I can't see the thing that's the actual thread that it's responding to.

It's all just a bit, like, good idea, not really working. And I'm I'm on the latest versions and all that kind of stuff, but but I'm I'm back to, like, I wanna persevere with it because I don't wanna look at stabbings or bit pontent stuff all the time.

And I like the the idea of it and what it's trying to do. And so yeah. I don't know. I maybe people have suggestions and, like, how to to make it more usable because I would like to

spend a bit more it's always an afterthought is what it's been for a long time. It's like, I'll post on Twitter, like, do a a clip from the show or do such and such and blah blah blah. And then it's like, oh, no. I'll copy and paste that across to to Nostra if I remember, but I might might start going a bit more more Nostra first.

Yeah. I think well, I've got like, I don't know, 16,000 less followers on us, and I get way more engagement with people over there. Yeah. I struggle with the engagement on Twitter as well. I think once you're in that little, like, shadowban box, you struggle. Yep.

I've seen before, like, you know, I've seen, like, I'll put out a tweet, an original tweet, and then I've seen an absolute perfect copy pasta from someone else who's taken it with the same image or the same video and the same exactly the same.

And I'll get, like, you know, you and John and, like, and, like, you know, the usual suspects, like, share it and like it. And then, you know, like, ten, fifteen likes, whatever. And then the other person will get, like, 2,000.

3,000. There's no there's no, like What the fuck? No consistency or rhyme or reason about it, is No. It's weird. Anyway, I just thought I've made that point. I I thought that Derek made some good points, actually, and, like, his general excitement and stuff kind of was

yeah, it it made me rethink things a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. It was a good show, by the way. If you're unsure what we're talking about, we're referring to last week's Freedom Tech Friday, which is now live on the feed with with Derek Ross, the the resident, Noster, Shill.

He's done a lot of good work over there and continues to do so. So go check that one out, and you can find out what we're talking about. Next one headed level headed guy and not you say shill, but I think what I liked is he was he was actually very reasonable. I found a lot of nostrils are quite annoying.

Like, they they oversell and, you know, oh, this is gonna change the world, it's this and it's that. Like, a bit like you are when you first start with Bitcoin. And it's I find it off putting, whereas I I thought he was actually knowledgeable, but but not shilly in any way. He sort of understood that there are limitations

and that there are some issues, and I I thought that was nice to to get, like, a a genuine perspective.

Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. He's a he's a good good guy to chat to. Definitely. We've been going for thirty two and a half minutes and Yeah. Sorry. I've been rambling. Let's let's crack on. Yeah. Next on the list, mister Craig Raw who needs zero introductions has been having his having a battle with Apple recently.

He has had his account or developer account temporarily banned. And the reason that all this happened is stems from the fact that since, like, 20 god. Twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three,

Fraudsters have been publishing loads and loads of different fake Sparrow Wallet mobile apps on the iOS app store. Mhmm. These apps obviously impersonate the the real Spyro wallet.

And I say that in the sense of, like, how it looks and feels. There there has never been a Spyro mobile wallet, and I don't think there ever will be. But these hackers are are, like, leaching off his good name to create malicious apps to basically steal funds off people. And, sadly, there have been, you know,

logged cases of people downloading exactly these apps and having their their Bitcoin stolen from them. Mhmm. Which, you know, it is basically the whole point that you you know, if centralized app stores are are are should be good for one thing, it's preventing this sort of shit. And clearly, they are failing and failing miserably because,

you you have to KYC and everything when you you sign up for an Apple developer account. So the the the checks that they're doing are clearly insufficient. So where does this tie in with Craig and why he got banned or temporarily banned, should I say? Well, he submitted placeholder app to the Apple App Store

as an iOS app. Didn't publish it. It had no functionality. And the sole purpose of this placeholder app was to display a message that said something like, Sparrow Wallet is a desktop only.

Any mobile app claiming to be Sparrow is not part of the Sparrow brand, and you should not trust it. Mhmm. Apple rejected the app for being placeholder context content, excuse me, but then it escalated in his entire Apple developer account now being flagged for termination

with a deadline of June 30, which is tomorrow as we're recording this. The the stated reason was dishonest activity. So basically, like, because of him trying to warn other iOS app store users about fraudulent apps to try and protect them, he then got flagged and was about to have his account terminated tomorrow.

The other flip side to this, because you might be thinking, well, what does that matter? Because there is no Spyro mobile app, so why does he even need one? Well, you can get Spyro as a desktop application on macOS, which is probably one of the most common ways that people use it and prob it's probably the biggest install base.

That also Mac OS requires all of those apps on the desktop environment to be signed with a valid Apple developer certificate. So if he loses a developer account, he'd have to release this unsigned, and then Apple

would kind of block the installs essentially. And you'd have to go through a load of hoops to say, yep. I don't care. I'm gonna install this application anyway, which would muller the the install base, basically, of the best desktop wallet on the market today on the most common platform, which is undoubtedly Mac.

Mhmm. So Craig took to social media, basically explaining everything that I've just done and asking for people to rally around. Thousand thankfully, thousands of people did. Everybody was tagging Apple to say, look, you need to fucking sort this out.

And thankfully, on the June 23, Craig did tweet that Apple has finally reversed its decision to terminate his developer accounts following a successful appeal. Although he did say the fake Spiral apps do still remain on the App Store and continue to put users funds at risk.

So good news that he got his account or or didn't get his account blocked. But again, another reminder that centralized app platforms are useless. You know, the the whole point here is that, you know, Apple, Google, they all say they all say, look, we do it to protect users. And there is physical proof.

You go on the iOS app store today and search for Spiral Wallet, you will find scam apps on there. And so so what good is this walled garden if it doesn't protect the people inside, which it clearly doesn't?

Good question, mate. Good question. Alright. Next on the list, I'm gonna rattle through these. This one comes from the Electronic Frontier Foundation, and it's titled Victory 07/2002 has expired.

So the summary here is that there is a basically, a congress has allowed for section seven zero two four, which is with regards to warrantless surveillance authority. They've allowed it to expire, meaning in theory that they can no longer do it for the first time since 2000 its enactment in 2008 after a reauthorization fight collapsed.

The summary here, the mass surveillance authority underpinning warrantless collection lapsed in mid June. Electronic Frontier Foundation has declared a victory, but the surveillance has not actually stopped.

Certifications approved by the FISA court in early twenty twenty six remain valid past expiry under the transition rules. So it's expired on paper, but it's still running in practice.

Yeah. Do you like my do you like my just short answers to these just so that we don't go into the doom? Yep. More from the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which I'll refer to as the EFF from here on out.

Title Canada is forging ahead with its dangerous surveillance bill. With no serious debate including on proposed amendments, Canada is blazing full speed ahead with bill c 22, which would threaten encryption and increase surveillance, also known as the lawful access bill.

Bill c 22 is currently moving forward quickly to a vote despite many, many criticisms from usual civil liberty groups and the tech industry. The EFF says that bill c 22 is dangerous on multiple levels. It pushes for requirements for metadata retention.

It expands information sharing with foreign governments and establishes a mechanism that allows Canada's Ministry of Public Safety. The Canada's Ministry of Public Safety. Wow. That's anyway.

To demand that companies create backdoors effectively breaking encryption. That mechanism was a key facet of part 22 in bill 20 seat 22, and the government prevented it from being independently debated.

A wide range of tech companies are obviously against this. Signal, Apple, Google, and several VPN providers have opposed the bill, and some have said that they'll likely be forced to either cut Canadians off for certain features or shut down services in Canada altogether.

Just like we've seen in The UK with Apple and their what's it called? Advanced Data Protection, ADP. The UK and Canada are just so ahead of the curve, aren't they? They're just trying to one off each other on who can Who could be the shittest country.

Yes. Yeah. How fast can we I can dystopia harder than you can. It's amazing. It is it's terrifying and amazing to watch. Yeah. And it's fun as well because at least we have a Canadian and Brit, so I can abuse people.

Whichever way whoever wins, like, slightly, oh, we made it a bit more shit, then I can I can write to Jordan now and be like, oh, your country's so shit, mate? And then I can say the same to you. Yep.

On the same one, Jordan actually pointed this one to me after reading the show notes as tangential to the previous news article. Canada's stronger hate crime protections now become law. So on June 19, there's a quote here. As hate continues to rise in Canada, communities have been calling for stronger protection against hate crimes.

Those protections are now law, said the honorable Sean Fraser, the minister of justice and attorney general of Canada. So what's happening here? Strengthening to hate crime. So law enforcement now has stronger tools to respond to hate motivated crime and protect our communities.

More specifically, the changes, quote, make hate motivated crime a specific offense ensuring such conduct is more clearly denounced and that offenders are held accountable. They define, quote, hatred to clarify what conduct constitutes a hate crime in the criminal code.

And they make it a crime to willfully promote hatred against an identifiable group by displaying certain certain terrorism or hate symbols in public. Namely symbols principally used by or associated with listed terrorist entities under the criminal code, two Nazi symbols, or a noose.

What does the noose signify? I don't know. I mean, the hate crime is they hate their own citizens. The UK and Canada hate Yes. Their own citizens to the point where they want them to eat they make life so horrible that they want you to either top yourself because it's so shit or leave.

That's what they want. So I would suggest if you still can and you're from one of those shithole countries, fucking leave. Don't talk yourself. Definitely don't do that. Just just leave. Get your get your bags and all your stuff and just fucking get out because it is terrible.

Yeah. So it says, these changes will come into force after thirty days on July 18. And, yeah, they need to follow the different facts about who's allegedly having hate crime pointed towards them.

It will be anyone who's actually causing like, anyone who's actually being a criminal is going to be defended by this rule because anyone who points out the criminality is gonna be a a hate criminal.

Yes. Because they hate the people who are doing criminal things. It's so like it's like this is you know, we always say, oh, that's proper, like, nineteen eighty four or blah blah blah. I mean, this really is, isn't it? It's like Yeah. I mean, when you when you combine

stuff like this where it's a case of, like, obviously, neither of us are gonna sit here and and, you know, promote, I don't know, prejudice against a certain group of people because of their beliefs or the color of their skin or anything like that, obviously.

But when you combine quote unquote hate crimes with the KYCification of the Internet, essentially Mhmm. It really makes the importance of decentralized solutions like Nosta more important because, like, the what's that saying? It's something like, you know, I

will fight for the right for my enemy to speak his mind or some something to that effect anyway where it's like, you know, I might not agree with what you say and I might think that you're a racist or a bigot or whatever.

But, you know, under free speech, you're you're you you can hold those Beliefs. You can hold those views. Yeah. And I would fight to protect your ability to express those views. You know, as long as you're not going out there with a machete to cut somebody's head off because of that, then Yeah. Don't do that. But

but again, it's it's the whole pre crime thing. It's the whole thought thought crime thing. It's, you know, the policing of speech on the internet. And again, thankful that we have alternatives like, nostal, like, you know,

encryption, etcetera, etcetera. I just thought of something as you were saying that you're like, oh, thankful we have nostal. I think we have. Is it worth us having someone on maybe, like, Katie, the Russian is maybe the obvious choice, but, like, someone who can help people who might want to use the technology of passports and visas

to get out if they so wish. Like, could we do a Freedom Tech Friday around relocation and, like, put it specifically? Because most of the people who are I would say most of the demographic who listen to the show are male sort of late twenties to early forties.

That'd be probably fair to say. And and then most of them are family people. And if they're not family people, they generally have a bit of money behind them because families are fucking expensive.

So you you're gonna be in one of the two things, and then it's like, I can flippantly say, I'll just leave Canada, leave The UK. But, actually, as you know, it's it's fucking difficult when you have a family and you have responsibilities and you have all the other ties and everything else. It's not a simple thing to do.

But it would be a, I think, quite a good show to talk through different options and costs and where and, like, that kind of stuff, especially for people who can take their Bitcoin with them. Like, do you not think that would be quite a good Freedom Tech Friday?

Yeah. Definitely. I've had a couple of calls with with Katie before, so I I probably got a line to her to to see if she wants to come on. I'm sure she'll be up for it. Okay. I think it'd be good. Alright. What else we got?

A bit slightly good news for the Yanks at least. There is a US CBDC ban through to the year 2030 proposal heading to the president's desk. Get this, nestled within a housing bill somehow.

Good. Which I love that. The reason that I include this is because generally, this works the other way for Bitcoin as and it's a case of, you know, the the next level of KYC is nestled in a in a 90,000 page bill

designed to talk about, you know, I don't know, the so some improvements onto the White House or something like that. Yeah. It's just like, oh, in in page 87,000.

Yeah. By the way, you're gonna have to, you know, do the next level of KYC to buy some Bitcoin or something. So it seems like somebody's kind of playing the the UNO reverse card here, which is nice to see. Fair enough.

Play video. What else have we got? Oh, the the MICA, MICA, m I c a regulation in Europe comes into effect in a couple of days, July 1. So you'll probably see most of, if they haven't done so already, the European kind of KYC Bitcoin outfits kind of getting over the line to continue to be able to trade.

Bull Bitcoin was one of those that got their Michael license in the last couple of weeks, which basically means that they can continue to to act or to to operate within the the European Union and serve those types of customers.

It comes with it, you know, additional KYC requirements and stuff. And bull Bitcoin is a is an interesting one, really. I was pleasantly surprised that they were able to get the license given that they are more privacy forward

for a KYC outfit, obviously. But they have things like pay join liquid with con confidential transactions and that sort of stuff. So it was just a bit surprising to me that that they've got one. Clearly, they've they've got some good lawyers.

So it it means that they're able to to continue serving those customers. I haven't actually seen any news come out of of any other

services like that that have either folded because they don't wanna, you know, take part in this Micah or Micah license. Mhmm. But, yeah, they've they've got a quote here. We're particularly excited to have obtained our Micah license without needing to compromise on our Cypherpunk approach to self custody and privacy.

This is from Francis Poolio, the the CEO. Quote, all features of our website and wallet remain exactly the same as they have been for the first half of twenty twenty six with no additional burden or restriction imposed on our users.

We have proven that it is possible to meet the highest requirements of regulatory compliance without becoming overzealous. Interesting. So he's maybe suggesting that there's no additional

requirements on the user side. Maybe they're automating that as much as they can. I don't know. But yeah. And on that same vein,

the ESMA, which I've never heard of before until today, the European Securities and Markets Authority has published another bill, basically just war warning people that the the transitional period for this Maker license ends in a couple of days on July 1. And that authorized CASPs,

crypto asset service providers, should stop onboarding new clients and wind down unauthorized services. So, basically, we're we're coming for you with the hammer if you don't play ball. Unsurprising, but

yeah. Annoying, nonetheless. And then last on the news items is an l n d zero timestamp denial of service vulnerability, which is being publicly disclosed via the Bitcoin OpTech four one one.

Link will be in the show notes, but basically, all l and d versions prior to version zero point two zero point one could be crashed remotely by a malformed zero timestamp gossip message. If you're up to date, you don't need to worry.

If you're running an older version, consider updating pretty quickly. And that's it for the news or the doom, should I say? Shall we Okay. We hit some boosts? Let's do it. Alright. I'll let you kick it off.

Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee at Fountain sent 10,000 sats. Wow. Booler. Thank you. It's not about breaking the wallets. It's about litigious grifting by making a claim on dormant Bitcoin in the New York.

In the New York, the claimant the fuck. In the New York, the claimant, a Wyoming LLC, sets up two scenarios. If Quantum breaks a wallet previously awarded, the Wyoming LLC will use their legal title to sue for possession slash compensation or be paid to go away.

Ahead of Quantum being a real threat, the Wyoming LLC can sell itself with the legal title to the Bitcoin addresses as part of its book value. Yeah. That's kinda what we said, wasn't it? This is from, obviously, the last It's like, it's a play that is not 0% chance.

It's retarded logically, but it isn't retarded legally. And therefore, I I kind of had a tiny bit of respect for whoever's behind it because it's, like, it's not the most it's it's, like, it's it's not a complete fucking zero chance.

It's it's cunty, but, you know, it's not cutting someone's head off with a machete cunty. It's sneaky. It's sneaky cunty and, you know, fair enough. Okay. Yeah. Absolutely. Welder Ian boosted 2,222 stats and said, great show, boys. Thank you, Ian. Yeah. Thank you, Welder Ian.

Jenny Shan 21. 1,900 sats, no message. Loo for Lou streamed 896 sats. Rev Huddle sent 328 sats and said the Bitcoin brief from Ungovernable MF is a great listen to stay up to date on a very well curated selection of Bitcoin related goings on

from the last two weeks, but my goodness, the show notes are incredibly valuable too. There you go, Q. You see? Yeah. You can thank my side piece for that.

An extensive list of fantastic links. Check it out. Thank you, RevHuddle. Yeah. On the the show notes, I'm gonna be very happy to share one of my many side piece projects publicly very soon.

That Good. Basically helps drive all of these wonderful show notes that RevHuddle is referring to so that you can kind of you'll see where I'm getting all of my alpha from. Mhmm. I've seen this. It's good.

It's good. Well, I think we're we're actually gonna do a Freedom Tech Friday all about it in a couple of weeks. Yeah. Good. Good. It's one of your more useful one of your more useful projects.

Absolutely. Mad Hatter sent a 121 stats and said, cheers, mates, from Max's secret NIM account. Laughing face. Always in governable and stay free. Noster Gang with a 111 stats. Jolly good show.

Where do we think they're from?

Could be a good to throw us off the scent, you never know. Could be. Could be. Oldham sent a 110 sats and said, Frigate is in development for start nine. You can run it on 0.4. Well, thank you. I love it when listeners actually answer our questions for us when we ask them to. So Aldum, thank you very much. We really appreciate it.

We do. Riven Stokes sent a 100 sats with no message, and Motions also sent 80 sats with no message. Thank you to the boosters. Yep. Thank you all boosters. Right. I need a toilet break, mate. Okay. Just a number one, so won't be a sec. Okay. Just a number one. Good to know.

Oh, boy. I needed that. Yeah. Nice one. Oh, yeah. Delightful. Just know that we're not editing, so all of your piss stream will be in there. Okay. Nice. Well, apologies for the dead space for thirty seconds while I had a piss guy.

Right. Releases. There's loads of releases in the show notes. I'm just picking out the ones that I wanna talk about. There's, like, six, maybe seven of them. But if you you wanna stay fully up to speed, then check out the show notes for everything that we we don't talk about.

First one on the list is an Envoy 2.3 o beta release. Again, emphasis on the beta. If you're not feeling slightly reckless, then wait for the main release. But this is a big old release. The the guys have been cranking on this one.

We have redesigned Sendflow with clearer, faster transaction building experience. We have a transfer feature so that you can transfer funds directly between any of your accounts, be they hot, cold, or both.

So you don't have to do the do the whole, like, go into one account, copy an address, go into the other account, press send, paste that you can just go transfer from a to b, bang, transaction built, go and sign it, which is very nice.

You can now craft messages for signing. So you can prove that you control a particular address, which is useful for particularly the Europeans that do business with any of the services that require to abide by that stupid standard.

You can now find those messages with Envoy and Passport. Obviously, the passport, but if it's a a cold account. You can now browse a full list of receive and change addresses for any account using our brand new address explorer.

You can also choose sub set fee rates when sending transactions because the mempool is dead. You can adjust QR code density when signing transactions with passport, which allows you to dramatically speed up the those kind of large multi input signing flows.

You can also set a custom block explorer in Envoy. So if you run an umbrella or a start line, you can now point Envoy to to that so that if you tap on any transaction information within Envoy rather than it go into mempool dot space, it'll go to maxisnode.mempool.space or whatever you've configured.

And finally, you can also now manually rescan accounts to enable you to recover transactions or balances after any migrations or if you've had any syncing issues or missed transactions. There's also been, like, another 70 lines worth of basic improvements. So massive, massive release.

It's in beta. If you wanna go ahead and test it, be my guest. If not, give it a week or two, and the main release will be out shortly. Next on the list is Zeus version thirteen point one point zero.

The highlights here, you if you're a cashew enjoyer, you can now do multi mint sends so you can split your balances across multiple mints to reduce that custodial risk, but be able to spend from them all at the same time.

And on iOS, you also have improved Nostomati Connect. That's actually quite cool. We bash on e cash quite a lot, but but being able to split it across Mint seems like Agreed. Yep. A a pretty wise and useful feature.

Yep. Yep. So you can you can just spread that risk across multiple Mints and Yeah. Basically only lose a portion of your bonds if if you get rugged. Yeah. That's pretty good. Yep. Blockstream Green on iOS has added support for lnurl, Bolt 12, and BIP three five three all in one release. Very nice.

BTC pay server had a big update version two point four point zero. They have added the ability to basically coordinate a multisig wallet within the application itself. So previously, I believe if you wanted to say you're a merchant, you had a store and you wanted to

use you know, have your inbound funds on chain deposited to a multisig wallet where say, you know, Max had a key, Jordan had a key, John had a key, etcetera, as as an example. You would have to go and create that in something like Sparrow,

export the descriptor, give the descriptor to BTP server, and then that was enough for it then to receive funds into the multisig. Whereas now, you can actually do that whole coordination in BTC Pacer itself,

plug in your devices or scan your QR code depending on what hardware was it used in. So you kinda skip the sparrow step and just do it all natively within multisig. That's the headline, but there's loads of other stuff as well

that I'm not gonna go through. Oh, a a cool one actually. Add login list and password list passkey authentication. That's pretty cool. So you can you can use passkeys maybe from your passport prime to log in to your BTP server so you don't have to remember a password. Nice.

Oh, talking about Passport Prime, guess what's just arrived on my desk? Oh, really? Just arrived on my desk. It hasn't been opened, hasn't been unwrapped, but I now have one. It's been it's taken a while to coordinate this getting across to the North Pole, but,

yeah, I've got it. So looking forward to bugging you with questions and just hooking things up. I was just about to say I'll I'll make sure my DM queues are clear to Yeah. To get ready for the the influx.

Now the real testing starts.

Yeah. The the the chief QA officer has now got his device.

What we got next? Nunchuk version two point six point zero. They've they're doing a phased rollout of their off chain inheritance protocol. I I've just looked for the here we go. I'll include the blog post in the release. Jordan, please remind me to add this because it's not in there currently in the show notes, should I say.

Introducing phased rollout inheritance on your schedule. So you can split Bitcoin inheritance across beneficiaries and time. So the key takeaways from that blog post.

Phased rollout lets you split Bitcoin inheritance across multiple beneficiaries and release each share gradually over time rather than sending the whole amount to one person all at once. So you got two capabilities used together or alone. You can divide your estate by percentage across heirs and break each share into scheduled stages,

a lump sum for one beneficiary, and a multi year payout for another. You control the unclaimed shares. So that what that means is you can choose a fallback rule upfront that could be none, it could be inactivity based, or it could be date based so that a share is never stranded if an heir

loses access or never comes forward to to make a claim. Other than that, it says nothing else changes. Your plan keeps the same multisix security, backup password, and inheritance key. The only difference for multiple beneficiaries is that each air gets their own magic phrase.

And then the last bullet point they've got is off chain only. So phase rollout runs on the off chain flexible protocol. I I presume they mean frost here. Available to Honey Badger and Byzantine subscribers on app version 2.6 or above.

For network enforced autonomy, see their on chain protocol. There is loads more information in this very detailed blog post, which again, Jordan, remind me, will be in the show notes. Next on the list, we've got Wasabi Wallet version 2.8

o. Pretty big release. They've got p to p synchronization for compact block filters. You can now pay from coin joins. You can choose subs once up per byte fee rates. You can do payment batching.

There's support for tails, ARM 64 Linux releases, and they also have Signet support for testing. And finally oh, sorry. Penultimate release, Stack Wallet version 2.6 has added Cake Pay gift cards, which is pretty cool.

Which brings us nicely to the final release and the one we're gonna talk a little bit more about, Max. And maybe I'll let you drive with this one. Yeah. A lot of talk about Canadians today, how useless and gay they are, but there is there is one that is slightly less so. That is our good friend, producer of the show, Jordan.

He has been building more and more over the last, what would you say, like, eighteen months, two years. He seems to be doing more than most devs despite producing this show, having a normal Fiat job, and and many other things. And he has now built Ashigaru desktop.

Him well, actually, there's two contributors on there. There's a if you go onto the GitHub, there is Linkopart rules, which is Jordan, and Claude, your side piece.

At least he didn't hide that at the fact because you can you can hide the fact that Claude is a contributor to any pull request that you make. So hats off to owning it, mate. I I I appreciate the the honesty and it's yeah. This this is this is big. I was very I I had no idea he was working on this.

He's done a a really cool blog post on x, which again will be linked in the show notes to to kind of set the scene here as to to why he did it. I'm gonna read a couple of quotes because it it is pretty good. Ashigaru desktop isn't a from scratch wallet. It's a gooey front end for the Ashigaru terminal.

Same engine, same Whirlpool integration, same tool first networking. But what it adds, of course, being not in the terminal is approachability and ease of use. It's a native desktop experience that makes all of the terminals power accessible to people who don't want to live in the terminal window like me.

So yeah. Basically, anything that you could do in the Ashigoro terminal, you can now do with a proper desktop graphical user interface. So Whirlpool CoinJoin, you can mix to, you know, set the outputs from CoinJoins to mix to external wallets.

You can import and export your bit three twenty nine labels. You can do bit 47 message verification, I believe, as well. So yeah, this is this is very cool. I came out of left field. I'll be honest, I'm gonna, you know, hold my hand up here and I'm sure Max is gonna say the same thing.

He hasn't I haven't tried it, should I say, just yet. I've been on holiday, not in the country and away from my laptop. But looking forward to trying this. But I'm guessing you haven't tried it just yet, Max, either.

I think you're muted. What a prick. Sorry about that. No. I no. I have not tested it yet. Sorry, Jordan. But I will do, and it sounds incredible. And I do wanna say, like, all the whinging that I had at the beginning of the show, the top end of the show, and saying, like, oh, there's basically

no one left who's actually fucking building or doing anything or who cares about this stuff. This is the counterweight to it. And Mhmm. Ashigaru, incredible wallet on the phone. Obviously, yet to test it on the desktop, but, you know, incredible the stuff that's been done there. And then to have Jordan somehow,

with the help of Claude, build this as a non dev. It that's the bit that gives me hope. Like, there are still people who genuinely care like Jordan, and there are now tools available to help those people that genuinely care build stuff that genuinely matters. And I think this is one of them. So, yeah, shout out to Claude and and Jordan.

Yeah. A couple of additional points on this. He's also in the the repository put some future planned features. No timelines here, but some of this is very, very exciting. Aigen Aigen Wallet Aigen. Yeah. Integration

so that you can post your bad bank funds, which are the unmixed change outputs from your your t x zero or the the kind of entry to Whirlpool. You can swap those atomic swap those into Monero, which is previously a bit of a an unsolved problem really where you had this kind of toxic changes, the samurai guys used to call it,

where it was like I guess, the clue is in the name. It's like this toxic waste that was difficult to deal with. It was too small to mix, etcetera, etcetera. And I know the Samurai guys had alluded to the fact that they were planning on doing this.

So if we can get that over the line, it's been another really big feather in the cap the the Whirlpool ecosystem and and kind of close the loop on one of the the the few limitations that the the ecosystem does have.

Mhmm. Also, he's gonna he's looking to add the am I exposed or bit hyper UTXO analysis so that you can do privacy analysis on all of your well, all of your UTXOs, be they mixed or unmixed.

That would be cool to have that in the desktop app because I'm you know, bit we've I think we've talked about am I exposed the the tool from.

Well, I don't know if it's public who it's from, so I won't mention Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. It's basically a great privacy tool. Am I exposed.com or something like that, where you can go and and analyze the privacy of any of your transactions or coins.

Having that in your mixing software makes perfect sense. And then he's also planning to add Dojo Bay integration so that you can connect to geographically dispersed Electrum servers with bit 40 bit 47 verified reputations, presuming you don't run your own Dojo, obviously, which is the ultimate way to use Ashikaro and Mopal.

And then finally, Dojo integration so that you can get all the benefits of Dojo such as next block estimates, personal election server details, and and more. So he's got some tall plans for this and Yeah. I have zero doubts that we'll pull it all off. Yeah. Me too. Thank you, Yeah.

Thank you, Jordan. This is truly, truly epic. It also did give me an idea because I saw this him tweet this while I was on holiday. I was thinking, while my creative juices were flowing, I was thinking, hold on a minute.

You could have Passport Prime as a in like a a desktop mode where it's plugged into either your laptop, where it's running this Ashikoro desktop software or Mhmm. Maybe even plug directly into your Dojo Mhmm.

As basically like a hardware security module so that you can essentially coin join to and from cold storage or offline storage. That feels like a vibe project that me and side chick are gonna have to get involved in.

That'd be pretty cool. Because Very cool. It seems fairly trivial. It's just a case of, right, all it needs to do is be connected to Ashiko desktop because the Ashiko desktop is gonna be the one that talks to the Whirlpool coordinator.

Mhmm. It needs to receive a message to say, look, we're we're we're up for we're going in this coin join.

I verified all the addresses. Sign it for me because you've got the private keys. And Mhmm. Obviously, the assumption here would be that Ashikoro desktop doesn't hold the private keys. It would be in kind of watch only mode and Passport Prime would hold the keys.

Yeah. So it's essentially just message passing. Passport Prime sees it, verifies it, signs it, sends it back over the wire to to Ashikoro desktop. Who sends it to the coordinator in sign fashion? Boom.

Bob's your uncle. Fanny's your aunt. You've just coined your into an device. Let's get it built. Yeah. I just need to I need that magic clock again to to give me an extra four hours in the day. Yeah.

But making a a personal note to add that to my vibe list. Nice. Well, thanks again, Jordan and Claude, giving us hope through all the darkness. There are some real ones still, so thank you.

Yeah. I know I I know there is a lot of doom here, but I genuinely think and listeners will be no strangers to the fact that AI has been creeping more and more into our conversations. But I do genuinely think it has a big potential to

well, to do multiple things. It could it's probably gonna fracture in multiple ways. Like, it it is a privacy nightmare used in the most naive way possible. But I do think it has the potential to usher in, a renaissance of

tools being built around Freedom Tech. Yeah. And Jordan is is literally proof of that. This wouldn't have existed without AI. He he he won't, you know, point finger at me for saying, like, he wouldn't have been able to do that without Claude, and I wouldn't have been able to do half the shit that that I've done without Claude or Codex. So

it's it's so I'm so torn on it, like, you know, from giving all these tech conglomerates like Anthropic and OpenAI, you know, information about yourself and access to certain areas of your system, but then being able to produce super fucking powerful software like Ashikoro desktop in a, you know, in a couple of days, it's

I don't know. It gives me a lot of hope, but also cautious hope of, you know, because of the obvious, like, privacy trade offs and stuff. Well, there's always the there is there is the self hosting option, and there are I I I know that I know you're gonna say, well, you know, can't compete

with Anthropic and what they're doing and blah blah blah. And that that might be right and pro yeah. It is right at the moment where it's very hard to compete and get the same

abilities that you you were given. However, if you are really privacy conscious and you wanted to develop software where you you really don't want anyone to be aware of what you're building or or who you are, it's still fucking good what you can do with the open source models. It's not like it doesn't give you extra superpowers.

I think it's just like we're so used to being able to lean on a Claude or or Codex or one of these, and they're so capable. But then if you take a step back or unless you've got incredible hardware that you feel like, oh, this is a bit slow. But, like, still worth taking stock and just sitting and going,

a year ago, none of this would be possible that I'm doing on the open source stuff or or self hosted stuff at all.

Mhmm. So where are we in, like, another six months to a year? I don't know. Like, I think it's, like, it's possible. It's just slower. It's like, yeah, you could you could build a kitchen and do it all with hand tools or you could have the power tools, but, like, it's gonna be a lot fucking slower.

But you can still do it, and you can still be really grateful that you've got a screwdriver and you've got a hammer and you've got all the different tools that you've got. Like, you wouldn't be able to do it so well with a rock, which is where we were, you know, six months ago.

Yeah. My thoughts on this have changed a little bit in the last month or two where, you know, we we saw this explosive growth and every mop model was, you know, 10 x better than the last, and and that has significantly slowed.

I know, like, the likes of Fable has been pulled for various different potential reasons by the US government, and GPT 5.6 has been kind of had a kneecap release and stuff. But from the reports that I saw of Fable when it was available, like, the the flagship model from Anthropic, like, it was better than

Opus 4.8, which is the the current flagship now that Fable's been pulled. Like, it was better, but even with Opus 4.8 level intelligence, the open source versions like GLM 5.2, I think, is the the latest hype model that's been coming out.

The general consensus is that that it's very close to 4.8, and that's an open source model coming from coming out of China. Yes. You need some very, very beefy hardware, but the fact of the matter is that tools like that exist, they're open source, and, you know, they're gonna be hosted in in very different places

where anybody in the world can access them. The the problem then becomes just having hardware powerful enough to to run it. So whilst I remain or, you know, get increasingly confident in open source.

Not catching up to the intelligence, but, like, we've got to such a good level where the baseline is is good enough, like you say. The next problem that we need to fix, and this is the the difficult one, is, like, even that GLM one that I spoke about, like, you need a big server, right, to run that at full full weight at least.

And I'm sure that will improve over time, but, like, I don't know whether you saw the the Apple price hikes lately. Like, that's indicative of what's happening.

I did see I did see some talk about price hikes, but I couldn't actually see that the prices had really moved that much. Yeah. It might be different in the North Pole for you, but there was some significant price increases, basically just driven by the the cost of of RAM essentially.

And I When you say significant, what what's significant as a percentage? One sec. Let me pull up.

So what we got here? Oh, it's giving me a BBC link. God, I feel dirty. You are. The

scanning, scanning.

A MacBook Pro with one terabyte of storage rose from rose to $2,000 from $1,699. So it's like 15%. Yeah. 15%. The the MacBook Neo, the cheaper one went from $5.09 9 to $6.09 £9. That's a pretty big increase percentage wise.

Yeah. But it's across the board. Like, it's anything that's got RAM in it essentially has gone up significantly. Yeah. And there are industry I don't wanna say experts, but industry pundits basically saying that this is gonna continue for quite a long time because the shortage is is that big.

So it doesn't look like, you know, going back to looking at this through the the AI lens, it doesn't look like that gap is gonna close anytime soon. Mhmm. So that's the bit that makes me more

a little bit more pessimistic on things. So it's yeah. Everything's just unfolding really, really quickly. The the the open source models are getting better, but the the the bar to running them

is still, you know, out of reach for for most people currently. Yeah. At least the best models anyway. The ones that the ones that actually have a chance of competing with with Claude and with ChatGPT.

Sorry. What are gonna say? I was gonna say I've I've been toying with the idea for a while now of upgrading my computer because I'm still running an m one chip MacBook, and it is struggling. Struggling. Like, it it takes some serious abuse, and it is struggling

with what I'm throwing at it at the moment. But I'm just like, oh, and then the price has gone up as well. I'm just like, oh, fucking hell. Because you look at, like, the the m five chipped MacBooks, and then you start specking it up with some storage and the things you want and do, it starts really getting eye watering.

I did exactly that switch that you just mentioned probably four, five months ago, m one MacBook Air to an m five MacBook Pro, and it was night and day. Yeah. Yeah. I can I can only imagine? Yeah.

Luckily, was before the price hikes.

What else we got, mate? Anything else? That's it. I mean, bottom of the show notes, you've got some education pieces. The only one I wanna highlight here really is the bit one ten fork simulator from friend of the show, Orange Surf.

Mhmm. Very cool. Basically gives you a bit of an insight as to as to what BIP one ten is. And also, simulates what happens in various different

scenarios, basically, as to, you know, if if a bit one ten minuteor finds a block and here's the what you know, all of the potential paths essentially that could may or may not lead to a different chain split.

That signaling deadline is coming up, I believe, in August. So we've got a couple of shows to do before then, but Yes. Can you just well, no. Can you just give, like, a synopsis? I don't wanna go into the whole fucking chat. It's so boring. But, like, it's coming up in July, this deadline.

And what does that mean? That's a deadline where the miners can signal, is that? Or So, basically, my my read on this is there is an open miner signaling. What's the word I'm looking for?

Like period. Period is the is the word I was looking for. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, brain. Yes. You you found a gear eventually. And where, basically, they're they're looking for 50% of of miners within a given epoch, signaling epoch, to signal in favor of BIP one ten to to basically call it active.

Currently, the last time I checked or listened to any any podcast about it, they were getting one block a day, which is less than 1% of of total block. So not looking good in terms of like a minor signaling in support of of the bit one ten fork.

Mhmm. Which we we should we have spoke about before, but just briefly just to remind people, it's bit one ten is the reduced data temporary soft fork where they basically try and fight the spam by reducing the the the various methods in which people can try and stuff data into transactions.

The activation mechanism is, as I've just mentioned, they're they're looking for minus to signal support. It's not going well. And then sometime in August, that specific block, I I believe it's early August that it coincides with, they will then basically if you're running bit one ten, they will the the people running bit one ten

compatible nodes will start to reject blocks that are mined that do not signal for it. So basically, after that date, it becomes according to a bit one ten node, it becomes mandatory for a mind a mind block to signal.

And if it doesn't signal in that mind block, they will drop it. If at the same time, any miners supporting bit one ten do mind a block, then we have a basically, we have a chain split, and then it becomes a race essentially to see who gets the the kind of most work chain.

And then all miners will be kind of forced to continue mining on the the dominant chain. The unfortunate truth for bit one tenors right now is that there is basically next to zero support from the miners.

So if they continue basically into this August dates, they're gonna fork themselves off the network and basically just get a stale chain where the majority of the miners that are not signaling for it are gonna continue

as they are today. And they will quickly pull ahead and then we have a chain split where bit one ten kind of slowly just grinds to a halt, and it's a failed experiment, essentially. And in that failed experiment, what happens? Does that become like a bit point cash and then a Bitcoin?

And, like, is there a split in in the sense that, like, you then get their coins as well? Or is that like, trying to think through, like, how it because it sound it sounds like, yeah, there's possibly gonna be probably gonna be a split.

It's gonna probably fail, but I'm I'm just looking at it as, like, can I get some of that shit and then sell that shit for more than the value that the shit actually holds? Like, can I get do you know what mean? I'm just like, is this a good thing where it's like, okay.

They value it like Bitcoin Cash. Like, it was valued quite high at the beginning. And so if you got that, you could sell that and get some free stats. Like, that's all I'm wondering. The rest of it is kind of not that interesting. It's just like I I think it all depends on if that was ever there was ever a market for it.

Like, if if exchanges or marketplaces had like a a a peg basically from, you know, current Bitcoin and I'll I'll call it bit $1.10 Bitcoin, then, yes, in theory, you could spend the coins on the old network and not spend them on the new one and you could offload them.

I don't think it's gonna come to that because it there seems to be basically zero traction from what I can garner. Mhmm. So I don't think you're even gonna get that opportunity. It's a shame. I wonder I wonder if, like because there's a lot of loud voices

everywhere that, like, have to look at. Yeah. Yeah. Like, there's but there's a lot of people with, like, actually a reasonable amount of reach who are

every other tweet is about bit one ten and everything. So I would just like to see a world where I could then have a conversation or you and you and me could have a conversation with those people running those shows who are so confident on bit $1.10 and pushing all their listeners to go that way to say, okay.

You've now forked. Do you wanna do a swap for the the bit $1.10 sats for some Bitcoin, like, core devil sats or whatever they're gonna call them. And, like, let's do an exchange. I'll sell you mine and you buy you buy this shit. Like, you're so confident. Do you wanna actually put your money where your mouth is?

Yeah. Well, I believe there has been some offers from people like Rob Hamilton and stuff for, like, locking funds up in certain scripts that would only become accessible if bit one ten actually became a majority chain and stuff like that. And to my knowledge, nobody's actually taken Yeah. Yeah. Taken that.

Okay. Just interesting. I I would love to have some free money if possible. So if there is a way, you know, pounce on that. Yeah. This this simulator from Orange Surf, 110.orange.surf, it'll be linked in the show notes, is fucking excellent. Again, it's it's I I believe it's a vibe coded tool.

Mhmm. Where you can basically if you go to the simulator, you can there's a slider and you can kind of simulate how much you know, you can say, alright, bit one ten after activation gets 49.8% of the hash rate.

What happens? And it runs through all the different scenarios of what happens after so many blocks. And I'm just running through it now and yeah. Essentially, unless they get a significant majority of the hash rate, then it's gonna be a failed experiment.

And I I don't see that changing between now and August, personally. Okay. Alright. Well, I think that's it, isn't it? Probably, like we said from the beginning, not worth our attention, but just I guess we have to as as it leads up to July, August, whenever it is.

Yeah. Absolutely. I'm just trying to get the date, but

can't see when the activation date is. It's a specific block height, but I know it lands sometime in in August. So we'll we'll have chance to to chat before then. Alright, mate. Well, thank you to you and your side piece for the show notes. Thank you to everyone who boosted in the

in the chat and answered our questions and everything else. Thank you to Jordan and his side piece who you share for building some incredible software that is very much needed. And, yeah, we'll catch you on the next one. Take it easy, guys.

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