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Hello, everyone. Welcome back to Freedom Tech Friday, a weekly live and interactive show hosted on the ungovernable feeds. We go live Friday at 9AM Eastern and 2PM UK time, but you can, of course, catch up later on the podcast feed.

On Freedom Tech Friday, we like to cover the latest news, trends, and topics for anything relating to Freedom Technologies. That could be anything from Bitcoin or Monero, encrypted messengers, privacy tools, and everything in between.

Essentially, if there is a news item tool or topic that can help you take back some control in today's digital Panopticon,

then we wanna talk about it. My name is Q and A. I'm a head of and I am head of customer experience at Foundation. And as always, I am joined by my good friends Max, the head honcho over at the Ungovernable Empire, and Seth, is COO at CakeWallet.

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And without further ado, Max, Seth, welcome back. Can't believe it's Friday again already. How are you both doing? I am doing well. Doing well. It's been a good week. Getting back into the swing of things.

Post radar chat launch, I show I chatted about last week, which is fun. I'm excited for this one because I get to finally harass you about the robot embracing AI wholeheartedly, so it's gonna be good. Oh, yeah. His new love affair. It's all he ever talks about.

My wife's getting a bit jealous at this point.

Just wait until sort of six months from now when these AIs have, like, sexy voices and you've got a robot attached to them that do all your tasks and stuff. It's really gonna cause some problems around the house.

It certainly is. It certainly is. So, yeah, I've read it in that day if and when it does come. Before we dive into the show, we kind of stumbled over quite a mammoth milestone this week, unbeknown to literally all of the ungovernable crew. We tipped over 500 total episodes in the history of the podcast.

I saw it completely by chance when I was working on a little back end project between Max and I, which we'll be able to talk about in a couple of weeks, hopefully. Yeah. And was just looking at the the fountain page for for the show.

And at the top on the this is on desktop, by the way. It said that we'd hit exactly 500 shows. So I think technically the the radar show was the the five hundredth episode, which is quite fitting. Oh.

So, Max, congratulations, mate. That's that's huge. Thank you. Yeah. It took me by surprise as well. I was I don't know why. I thought in my head, like, after, like, sort of 300 or something like that. I don't know why.

Never really thought about it too much. But, yeah, it's pretty crazy. And to think where this started, just like a mom in his kitchen, just no one wanted to talk to him about this thing called Bitcoin and just trying to make some friends pretty much so that he didn't annoy his family to the point that they'd murder him.

Then along the way, meeting some genuine friends and incredible people and, like, ungovernable becoming, I don't know, just something so different to what I ever could have imagined, like a real group with spin off groups like the Meshtadel that's now a 100 strong of people with

so much knowledge and helping each other in so many different ways and the minor mafia and, like, all of these connections that really like, I don't even see it as a podcast. Like, we have the shows, and that's great. And we put out the information, but it's like a proper network of really capable people.

And that to me is, like, just beyond what I ever could have thought. So, yeah, it's I can't believe it's gone so quickly. So when chronologically, when was it? When did you start? And and more importantly, who was the first show?

2018, I think it was. Was it 2018? Yeah. I think it was 2018. I think the first I think the first was Karim, and then I think maybe after that, it was Pierre Richard. And then maybe who was it after that? That's quite a prestigious

person in the big city to get for episode two. Right? Crazy. Yeah. I think I think it was Pierre. And then I had, like what was his name? He was, like, at law school. He was quite young at the time.

I should know these things. He's still in the space now. He was, like, at Princeton or one of these type of things. Can't remember his name now. Had him on I had I had, like, a quite a few big guests where I wasn't expecting to get them on. I always enjoyed, like, doing the the one on one shows.

I had a lot of, like, repeat guests. Like, many people from the samurai crew would would come back on and and the dojo crew and all that kind of stuff. And I think that's kind of how we first met, wasn't it, Q, through those sort of circles.

And then really what I've enjoyed the most is, like, these type of like, say, the spin offs with the mesh to Dell and the spin offs with these type of shows where it's not like an interview style anymore. Like, it's we're putting together

what I wish I had when I first entered rather than listening to the bullshit and, like, being shield everything left, right, and center. I wish I had a Freedom Tech Friday, and I wish that I had, like, the information about mining that John can put out there and the other guys could put out there and all the mesh to that stuff. So

these are the shows that I think have really made it what it is and, like, having a crew around that have different skills in different areas. And, yeah, it's been quite a journey. I think the craziest thing Go ahead, Seth. Yeah. Just real quick. I was just gonna say, think the craziest thing is, like, something I found

was really hard as a as a as a fellow fellow podcaster. Yeah. It's like the like, actually building a vibrant community around it is very difficult. Like, getting downloads Oh, yes. Getting some reach on socials, I feel like that part is not as

complex. But I think the part that's been the most impressive is, like, yes, you put up 500 episodes. But like you said, it's not just, like, episodes out into the void, and there's, like, a faceless group of people listening

or watching, but that you've built built a real community around it that are actually pitching in and helping out and coming on the show and helping out behind the scenes. And that that side of things, I think, is the the way more impressive one.

So kudos to all the all the hard work paying off in building a real community, which is as important, if not more important than the actual content. Yeah. Do you know what? I never not never, but at the beginning, didn't really

appreciate that fully. Like, I was always just chasing numbers. I was like, oh, you know, why don't I wanna have it as many numbers as what Bitcoin did. Why isn't it as big as that? Why isn't it, you know, like, why isn't it as big as these bigger shows numbers wise?

I was speaking to my friend, Nish, and he was like, do you realize, like, you see the interaction that you have here and the groups that you have here and the few thousand people who are, like, hardcore

fans and now, like, think of those people that you can communicate with them, and they're, like, really dialed in and plugged in and you they're like friends. That's fucking rare. And then I really thought about it, and I was, like, picturing

what that amount of people is like and, like, being able to spend time with them. It's like a conference. A conference of people who are thinking in a very similar way and care about the things that I care about, and you never meet those people in normal life. So it's like a real blessing.

Yeah. And I think it would be wrong of us not to thank all of the the listeners as well. Like, we we wouldn't still be here 500 shows in if we didn't get all of the support, the boosts, the comments, the retweets, you name it, all of the support that we get from from all of the ungovernables to to, you know, make it worthwhile because,

like, it might look like we turn up for for an hour every Friday and just chat amongst ourselves, but there's a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes as well to keep the wheels turning. So the the support that we get from everybody else is it helps massively.

It doesn't seem like it would be a lot, you know, throwing a few saps here and there and, you know, throwing a retweet and stuff. But genuinely, it really does. So, you know, it's Yeah. Helps provide sports to the next 500 is what I was gonna say.

Prepping for the shows and, like, giving information and being on the shows, like, many of the people who are listeners end up on the shows because we're communicating in the other groups and stuff like that, and they're building something cool. And Shadrach's a perfect example. Like, look what he just showed us, and that's

something that spins up in the mesh to Dell and and, like, conversations and linking these people together. And yeah. Like, the the listeners are I don't really see them as listeners. They're just the ungovernables.

And sometimes they're on the show. Sometimes they're sending us stats. Sometimes they're sending us information. Sometimes they're building something that we can talk about, putting on events, all that kind of stuff. It's it's, yeah, it's a proper I'd like I hate the word community, but a group of uncovenables.

Yeah. Absolutely. So thank you again to everybody, and Yeah. Thank cheers to the next 500. Right. So better get down to talking about some freedom tech, shall we? Yeah. Let's have a look. Just like last week, today, as you will see from on screen, no guest.

We normally like to talk about other people's freedom tech, get them to showcase it or we talk about the news or whatever it is. But this time, I'm the one stealing the the limelight to do my own little bit of show and tell.

For those of you that listen to the show regularly will be all too familiar with the fact that I like to do a bit of vibe coding every now and then. And this is this is one of those projects that's been bubbling away and I'm very happy to to say that it's good enough to

for me to wanna share it with the world and allow everybody else to get some benefit from it. Some of you true OGs, Max was saying, you know, we've been here since 2018, so there'll be some people here from way back when that might actually remember the first iteration of freedom.tech,

which was a blog run by none other than mister Seth for privacy, who ran the the blog, the website. I think it was run on Ghost. Right, Seth? Ran that when he was with Foundation.

And it was a incredibly good home for all sorts of Freedom Tech writing. It wasn't just Seth that was contributing. We had third party contributors as well, giving essays and guides on privacy and self sovereignty and kind of running your own stuff.

Unfortunately, when Seth moved on from foundation and and joined the Kate team, freedom.tech went quiet and it just never got the love that it deserved. Well, as of today, that changes. It's back. It's wearing some new clothes,

but the end goal is very much still the same. It's no longer a blog, it is a daily news desk dedicated to all things, of course, Freedom Tech. The I guess the quick high level, we are gonna dive in and I'm gonna do a show and tell later, but every morning, the website automatically reads 500, there or thereabouts, different release feeds,

change logs, security advisories, and writes up basically what actually shipped across Bitcoin, Nos, their privacy, self hosting, and AI in the last twenty four hours. It publishes a daily brief each morning and a weekly recap on a Sunday.

And every single page also gets its own release. Sorry. Every single release gets its own page. The the summaries are of course written by an LLM

because I ain't sitting there reading hand reading 500 feeds every day and that's kind of the point of this and we're gonna walk along that journey in a second. But of course, every single page and every single link directs you back to the source so that you can go and check all of the nitty gritty details yourself if you wanna dive in.

I guess we should probably start with the why. Why did I build this? And freedom.tech kind of started, I guess, as a as a bit of I obviously, as part of being the, you know, a member of the ungovernable team,

was already doing a lot of this sort of stuff by hand every single week for a number of reasons. Number one, just to stay up to date with BigIntech in general. What's what's coming out? What's new? What do I need to worry about? Etcetera, etcetera. The space moves incredibly fast.

And if you blink, you miss an important release that might actually matter to you. Second would be to prep for the shows, the Bitcoin Brief, obviously. Yeah. Big one, digging through change logs and feeds to work out, you know, what's changed in the Bitcoin space in the last couple of weeks as we record every other week, myself and Max.

And third, of course, doing something very similar for Freedom Tech Friday. It was the the same grind every Friday morning, trolling through dozens of projects and websites to find the signal before before we go live.

But not just finding the signal, like understanding it as well so that, you know, it's it's one thing to have a link and know that something happened, but it's completely different thing to understand why that's important to to me, to set to Max, and to the listeners as well.

The it you won't be surprised to learn that the the first fix wasn't immediately a website that did all of this automatically. In between me doing all of them and lots of bookmarks, etcetera, etcetera, I started

one of the first things I did when I was, you know, getting going down the vibe coding rabbit hole was making some skills with in the Claude or Anthropic e which is just like, as the name suggests, I guess, just repeatable actions

or little automations that would go and do the research for me. And to be quite honest, they worked very, very well. It was an iterative process. Again, it wasn't a one and done. You know, I gave the the agent a list of sources.

Sometimes it came back with a good set of results. Other times, it was a bit bit lackluster. But it was a, you know, a self feeding loop that improved over time. And that saved me a lot of time and hopefully improved the quality of of some of the show notes that you guys see, especially on the Bitcoin brief.

It definitely definitely has improved the quality. I just wanna give a a shout out to past tense you and, like, putting all this together manually as well because people I don't think everyone who's listening will understand the depth of the stupidity of the questions that I ask on the brief and how random

it is, the things that I ask, and you always have the answers. John said it to me so many times. Like, I do wonder if q actually genuinely is a robot because the stupid shit you ask him, and he manages to go into depth live.

Like, not, I will look into it. I'll let you know next week. So that's, there's a lot to be said for just the depth of knowledge, and I think that comes from just years and years and years of just reading the news, checking everything, always being, on top. So we're we're blessed to have you, mate. And and now with

multiple robots at your robot fingertips, this now expands even further. He was always an AI, like, an AI before you were AI. He really is. But now he has little AIs honesty. Yeah. Running around doing his bidding. So he really was yeah. He was the the Luzada guy before before he had anything else. So

yeah. I I didn't wanna dive I don't wanna I don't wanna cut you off if you're if you're not done before I jump in more into the Yeah. So yeah. Just quickly to finish off the why. So I was doing it manually, then I had some close skills to to automate it. But I got to a point where everything that they produced was good.

It was leveraging my time. It was great. It was helping the listeners with the show, you know, more more robust show notes, best of for us to talk about the shows. But it was all siloed. It was all inside my own personal tools on my Mac and that was it. And no you know, it seemed wasteful

for it to just for that to be the end. I'd automated the work, but the output was just for me only, really, with the exception of, like I said, the, you know, the show notes that get published, and thank you for to for to Jordan for that sort of stuff.

And I guess that's when it clicked, really, is that I'd already automated the hard part, but I didn't want it to be trapped somewhere where only I could see it and get the best from it. You know, I got the this to the stage where the whole process was repeatable,

and the results were actually worth sharing with other people. So I took that kind of loose we can call it an engine if you want, expanded the the source list significantly, and we'll we'll get on to the technicals of that in a second, and built something public around it. And that is basically what you see as freedom.tech today.

It's the thing that I was hand cranking every single week, turned into an automation supercharged with AI and made public so that everybody else can get the benefit from it as well. I'm gonna bring it up in a minute, but, yeah, Seth, what were you gonna ask?

Yeah. I mean, the a a big thing for me, like, know you've been I don't I'm kinda gonna gonna go down a rabbit hole here a little bit, but I know you've been, at least among my friend group in the space, a pretty early adopter and heavy user of AI to help your workflow.

You you briefly mentioned Claude skills as something that you've been touching on, but I'd to hear a little bit more about, like like, how did you start using Claude to help in your workflow?

Like, what had been kind of some lessons learned for you? Why Claude in the first place? Because I know there's a lot of other options these days as well. But I just want kinda wanna dig into that a little bit more because I think there's still especially among

people listening to this, and I was very skeptical as well, but finally, I've come around to how it can help. I think there's a lot of people who are skeptical, like, can this be something that really helps, or is it something I should just avoid?

And I think you have a lot of wisdom in how you've been using it to to benefit your workflow. So I just love to hear a little bit more about, like, what what got you into, like, okay, I really need to start using this, and then what are some big lessons learned for you along the way of starting to leverage AI more in your your workflow?

Yeah. Great. Ironically, although I'm kinda like the resident ungovernable AI bull at the moment, I was one of the laggards at Foundation. Was one of the the last to to adopt it in any meaningful way. Zach was honestly a big driver of it. He he saw the

the the potential of it early on to the point where it was a little bit of an inside joke, you know, internally was like, you know, what you guys are just saying about me. We were like, is Zach actually human anymore? Or is he just, like, getting the AI to do all of all of his responses?

Because he was, like, mad on it from the early days. And this you know, I've worked with him long enough to know that if he's keen on a new technology that it it probably is worth looking into.

So I guess my first test or foray into it was there's two main ones I remember. Number one was Shakespeare. We we had Derek Ross on the show a few weeks ago. I was listening to to his podcast, and I just threw a few sats at it and just was able to come up with this dummy website in, an hour with very little

interaction or or more more importantly, technical requirements. And that made me quickly you know, it was a basic, like, static pay static website that, you know, I just did it. It wasn't for any specific purpose. It was just like, you know, a hotel booking website or something like that.

It was just the first thing that came off the top of my head when I was sat there looking at the empty prompt window thinking what can I build to to see what all the fuss is about? And then the other one was that we switched to

a new support tool internally at Foundation, and that had AI tooling built into it. And I started to leverage that a little bit and was just able to leverage my time in short chunks that, you know, those those little chunk added up quite significantly over the course of my day by, like, proofreading responses to customers or

just summarizing, you know, if a if a customer sent me a really detailed problem that they're dealing with, just having that quickly summarized so that I can get the key points. That sort of stuff which right now, you know, in in the middle of 2026 when we've got things like Fable and

the latest frontier models is is like, it's so trivial. But like back in back I I don't know when it was, at least twelve months ago. These types of things were blowing my mind that it was just like a one click button to to be able to leverage. And you might shave, I don't know, sixty seconds off a certain task back then.

But those certainly add up and you you're you find that you're able to do more and more and you're able to produce higher and higher quality output. Not all the time, admittedly. It's, you know, it's not perfect.

And those are the things that kind of got me started with it and that's when I started to to dive into more of the power user tool. So running Claude code and doing things like, you know, I manage the the documentation website on for for foundation.

And previously, everything that, you know, as of twelve months ago, everything that you saw there was hand built, typed by me. And if I didn't know how to change, you know, a variable to to change the color of a button, I'd go and and I googled the answer.

It went from that, which is very slow and very painful, but doable, to me being able to just talk to an agent who, you know, is pointed to the GitHub repository. And me just saying, look, you know, I need to add a page that talks about the latest Envoy release. Can you format it like this? And the the level of supercharge

or or the level of time saved to to do a more complex task like that, especially more recently with the quality of the latest agents, is absolutely mind blowing. So the the time saving one was a big one for me, but also the other prong to the the benefit is that I'm also able now to do things that I never would have dreamed possible.

So things like well, I guess building freedom.tech, for example, but I'll I'll move to another example because we're gonna deep dive onto that in a second. But updating the the actual main foundation website.

Like, if I was to do that previously by hand and I needed to do something custom, I just wouldn't have done it because I'd be petrified that, you know, I would have taken something down or I would have done it wrong and, you know,

we would have took the site down for for twelve hours and not been able to take any orders or something like that. So it's I say this internally quite a lot. It feels like I've been given the the infinity stones, and I think I've actually said it on a couple of shows before. Yeah. You have. Like, I've been given the the power of

10,000 suns and being able to or realizing that I can harness that and and be able to do things that five years ago would have taken a a senior engineer

three times as long, and they had to spend five years in university to learn how to do it. Now little old me, sat in my spare bedroom, can do that in ten minutes. And it's it's just absolutely mind blowing what's possible.

So it's been world changing for me in terms of, like, my my productivity, the level of things that I can output, and the the level of technical things that I'm able to achieve. And I'm sure many other people have had the same sort of realization that this is literally a superpower.

You just need to learn how to harness it. No pun intended. Yeah. It's been, I feel like a similar journey for me where I was I was pretty hesitant as well. I don't know what it is about CEOs and founders, but Vic's been our, our AI Maxi as well internally constantly

constantly reeling about how good it is, how much we need to use it, and he's been a huge OpenClaw OpenClaw guy from day one as well. Yeah. What's the other one he always talks about? It's OpenClaw and Hermes is the Yeah. Other

Hermes. That's the the more common one I feel like now. It's taken over a lot of a lot of that space in terms of the personal agent side. Mhmm. But, yeah, I mean, I feel like it just the ability to take away a lot of the drudgery and the tedious things from your plate and just to enable

smart people to do more than they would otherwise be able to do is just it is pretty crazy. I think something that, like, I stumbled upon the other day of of figuring this out is, like, I my background is site reliability engineer, like, infrastructure, deploying infrastructure. So I run all of the infrastructure at Cake and

just started to play around with using Cloud to help me improve the monitoring of all of our services and just stuff that would have taken me, like, ten years ago when I started doing this, stuff that would have taken me a week to figure out exactly how I wanna do it and build out all of the specific

monitoring that I want and test it all out. Took me, like, thirty minutes because I knew exactly what I wanted. And I just needed it to actually do all of the tedious

work behind the scenes of actually writing everything and testing it end to end and figuring out how best to deploy it to the host. And, like, all that isn't just, like, I can't I couldn't have done that if I didn't know anything about what I wanted, but just that ability to, like, take away that the tedious aspects of

of your job and free you up to focus on things that you need a human for is it is pretty it is pretty badass. So it's cool to see now that you've gotten familiar with it. Now it's spawning off into something like, like the new freedom.tech, which we're seeing on screen here.

It's, just before we jump into that, I was gonna say, it seems that it just amplifies whatever the person's abilities are. So with you guys, highly technical, very good at just, like, breaking shit down, seeing how it works, and then piecing it together,

It makes you extremely dangerous with this kind of stuff because you can just build basically anything now. And then someone like me who's more on the design side, the things that I can do with design, lots of stuff, like, off this show as well, design in in terms of, like, building design as well is fucking crazy. So it is like a

in the same way, like, you have a few drinks that amplifies your personality. If you're an aggressive little bastard, you're gonna be horrible. And if you're a happy chap, you're gonna be really nice and have a good time. And this is the same. It just it just, like, makes you a 100 times more productive and capable, which is

I'm I'm sure we're gonna have many, many frequent tech Friday shows along the AI stuff, but it's just it's crazy seeing what's capable people are capable of, and this is a perfect example.

Yeah. Definitely. One final example before we move on to the show and tell that that's really leveraged my time and and has been a net benefit for our customers when they they come into this a technical issue that I don't you know, it's not a common problem and I don't have a quick off the cuff answer because I've seen it before.

Previously, I would then have to go make a ticket for the engineers, wait a couple of days for them to, you know, get some time to take a look at it, have that back and forth. That might be a, you know, a a once round trip, and it's the best part of a couple of days.

Sometimes if it's a really technical one, it might be, you know, back and forth a few times to ask to gather more information and that could, you know, be a week or even more.

Now if if I find myself in that position, I can just get the agents to go and look through, you know, the specific part of the code base and it will just give me, you know,

it will give me a quick indication as to whether there is actually a problem and I need to make a ticket for the engineers and we need to fix that in the upcoming release. Or if it's, you know, something trivial that's actually the way that the user's interacting with the app or something like that.

The level of time that that's saving me and consequently our customers for those specific events, again, is absolutely mind blowing. So I just can't understate the power of this and and what it can do for for, like, your productivity and turnaround times for pretty much any task. It's absolutely wild.

Anyway, onto the show and tell. So freedom.tech, if you wanna go and look at it yourselves in your own web browser, that literally is the domain, freedom.tech, which is fantastic, by the way. Like, how they got hold of that is is amazing. I I just love it.

Back to mine. Yeah. Absolutely. This is this is the home screen. So a quick recap just of of the mechanics here. Every morning, the there is a a cron job, like an automation basically that checks 400 and let's just call it 500. It's like 480 different sources. And obviously, that's changing all the time.

Basically, goes and look at all of their source locations. Most of the time, that's GitHub. And basically, just checks as well. Has there been anything new in the last twenty four hours? If there has, it pulls all of the information, and it will be added to to the site as part of the the last twenty four hours kind of daily capture.

Each release gets ranked by an internal scoring system. And so that if it's kind of, you know, a a CVA or a a severe vulnerability, it'll be at the top of the the daily brief. Again, I'll show you that in a second. If it's a release note that has no sorry. If it's a release with zero note, it'll probably get less weight and it'll be less

it'll be lower down in the priority of of the daily brief. It will still have its own page here because we capture everything so that we can build up a history of all of the FreedomTech projects. And again, I'll show you that in a second.

But we do have an internal scoring system that just rates that and and vulnerabilities and security patches take precedent. After it's gathered all that information, that is all sent off to one of the core models by the API.

Just the the the Haiku model, which is, I I believe, Anthropic's smallest and cheapest model.

And, basically, what it does is it interrogates the release notes, and it writes a one liner kind of it's on on the site. It's called an at a glance. And it'll just give you a summary for each one so that you don't have to sit there and read the whole release notes, which is the long and laborious bit.

You can just quickly scan the at glance. Is there anything here worth me clicking to go and look any further? On the daily releases, you can see that's a bit a bit more of a paragraph than a kind of single line. But each one gets its own summary, basically, so that you can quickly, again, at a glance, just see if

there's anything worthwhile and if you just control past or to move forward. And then once it's done all of that, it goes into a build phase. Again, this is all completely automated, but all of the latest releases, all of the the, like, the the the most recent daily brief will be published

onto the site as you see it now. So there'll be an update every morning around 06:30AM. So that's middle of the night for for America and, you know, the middle of the afternoon for the Eastern world.

But it's an automatic update once a week, and there is also some distribution channels. It is automatically posted to x. It's automatically posted to Nosta. Please go and follow the accounts, by the way, and share it with your friends.

And then there is also a weekly email that you can sign up for, which goes out on a Sunday evening, again, UTC time, which gives you a weekly recap of everything that's happened with some more robust summarization.

Again, so that you can just quickly scan to what's interesting to you. And you can have that land in your inbox free of charge automatically every Sunday so that you can stay up to date. All of that sound really complex and it sound maybe a little bit expensive, but the the complexity is now done. It's completely automated.

I don't have to do any level of editorial edits. Like, this thing just runs itself. And in terms of the cost, obviously, that's varying depending on where you host it. Obviously, we we kind of, you know, don't need to worry about that foundation because it's all within, you know, the the existing infrastructure that we've got.

And the AI costing, have a little guess as to how much this would cost in its current guide with summarization of every single release to run it for a year. I'll give you one guess each.

$35. Max? I will say $12. Okay. That's optimistic. But, yeah, it's it's like $40 to run the whole thing for a year. And that's No. That's ridiculous. You can't you can't keep going, mate. You gotta shut the thing down. Turn it off.

And and that's, you know, daily API calls, another an extra one for a weekly one, and email sends as well. So it's it's like next to nothing, basically, to to run this thing now that it's all set up, which I was very, very surprised at because traditionally,

all of the AI stuff that I've been building or using has all been subscription based. So you don't necessarily see the true cost because as as we all know, that's heavily subsidized and you just pay your your monthly subscription and you get to use, you know, depending on your plan,

a little amount of tokens or a lot of tokens. But obviously, you can't do stuff like this through that. Now remove

now remove AI from the picture and imagine building this site and it having the functionality that it has and running it for a year with human beings and think about the cost. Well, exactly. You're talking multiple people and hundreds of thousands of dollars in in wages and god knows how many hours in time as well.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars crushed to, what did you say, 30 $40. Yep. Yeah. Exactly. It's mental. Absolutely. Alright. So let's have a quick a click around. We we do have light mode for the psychopaths, but I'll quickly turn that off.

So so what you'll see on on the the kind of home page, you'll always see the latest daily brief as the hero text here. So there's a summarization of what's gone on today in the last twenty four hours.

So AI, no surprise, is kind of holding half of the the total releases. And then there's a little paragraph here again to to entice you as to whether or not this is of interest to you.

And the projects that are involved will be scrolling here. So you might know, again, even if you don't wanna read a single line of the the short paragraph that's summarized, you might see your favorites. Oh, look. Graphene OS. There's a release there. I'm gonna go and click on that and see what's new with Graphene OS.

I'm gonna click and show you the the the brief in a minute, but let's just run that homepage first. As this is FreedomTech Friday, of course, we are gonna feature the latest show. So when this this show that we're recording live airs, that will update.

So I'll be kinda like inception on it. It'll be FreedomTech Friday showing the latest release talking about FreedomTech on the FreedomTech website. That's mind bending a little bit. But, yeah, you can you see the latest show, and you'll be taken to Fountain

to go and watch it or to download it. And then we've got a little window here that talks about the the latest weekly brief. So left one is daily. This one's a weekly one. And you can throw your email in there to

subscribe and get that once a week into your inbox if you don't wanna navigate to the site and just click around and have a read. And, of course, you can go and follow the freemtech handles there.

Below that, we have a very simple chronological order of all of the releases. As you can see, it varies from all sorts of stuff. There's there's privacy stuff here. We've got AI stuff. Fish go a bit further. There's some self hosted stuff, Bitcoin stuff.

And you can filter all of those at the top here. So these are the main categories. We've got Bitcoin, which includes Lightning.

We've got Nosta. We've got privacy. We've got all things self hosting, and then we've got an AI one. And finally, if you do wanna if you wanna filter to all of the the daily and weekly briefs, you can do that here as well.

So if I click into one of the the daily briefs, we have the summary, we have the heading, we have short links to any of the categories so that if you're only interested in self hosting, you can click it and get taken straight to whatever was new in the last twenty four hours for the self hosting section.

But it's basically just a list of what's gone on in the last twenty four hours with a summarization of what's happened. If one of them takes your fancy, so, oh, I'm interested. What's going on with Nextcloud Android? Click on it, and it takes you to that releases dedicated page on the site.

Again, you have the at a glance summary to see what's changed. And then if you wanna read the original release notes, again, these are pulled directly from GitHub. You can see the nitty gritty of what's gone on.

If you don't want to trust what we've pulled from GitHub, you can click the link and see it on GitHub for yourself. And then from here, you can go directly to each project page as well. So if you're like, ah, okay. This is good. But I think the the previous release of this of Nextcloud Android

had something that I wanna go and check out. You can just click on that, and it will take you to the the overall project page where you can see the entire release history. Obviously, this

website's only been stood up for a couple of weeks, so the history is still being built out. That's why you only see one release. But as we move forward, each project's history will continue to grow, and that will become a worthwhile kind of back catalog so that you can come here, search it, and just scroll back to see what is what.

Any questions before I keep going and clicking around, guys? Yeah. I think a big one that I'm curious about is, like, how did you go about actually finding all the sources? Like, you mentioned there's, like, 500 different sources here. Is that just things you've compiled over the years anyways that you were watching?

Or, like, how how what's the selection criteria for this is something I wanna track here or not? Yeah. So, obviously, for the Bitcoin stuff, I had a massive list anyway for prepping for the brief.

Then after that, it was twofold. It was I'd already started to put the the building blocks in place of, you know, I want this to be not just Bitcoin, overall FreedomTech. So I I literally just asked Claude. I just said, look. Here's the impetus. Here's the types of things I wanna feature.

Go out and find me a list of all of the active projects. I think I set the criteria to having some GitHub activity in the last eight months or something like that so that I wasn't just adding dead projects.

It went and compiled a very comprehensive list pretty close to what you see here. And again, I'll show you all of the the full list of sources in a minute. And then I went to things like, you know, you have all of the the awesome lists, which are, you know, publicly maintained like awesome bitcoin that lists all of the

the they serve as a great jumping off point for all of the the kind of open source projects in a given kind of technological area, if that makes sense. But most of it, yeah, was was just through through asking

agents to go and gather it for me. Again, there's there's a theme emerging here. But, yeah, the only criteria I put on it was that it had to be somewhat active so that that there was no kind of dead projects or forgotten ones that that were getting added.

And I will say that, by the way, this is obviously not an exhaustive list. There's gonna be people watching this and catching up afterwards that are gonna go straight to the source list to see if their favorite one is there, and it might not be there. If it is, this is very much I want this to be community driven.

So click on the get in touch page. Or if I go to the to the sources page, there's there's a a way that you can get in touch over here, and you can suggest the source via Nosta x email. Just send that account in the DM. We can make it happen. Like, it's trivial to to start adding additional projects.

Nice. Yeah. So while I'm here on the sources one, this is exactly what what it says on the tin. It's a list of all of the sources that the website tracks. Again, it's sorted into the different categories if you wanna go and scroll through, but it is just literally an exhaustive list. And if you want to have a search,

you can search for there we go. Cake wallet. If I spell it right, that would help. And you can click on it. And, again, you can see all of the latest releases. Again, just to remind you, CakeWallet has had a release fairly recently, but it was after that I stood this stood the website up. So it's it's not captured in the history yet.

You can see the the GitHub stars. You can see the amount of forks that the projects had as well. So you can get a feel for what are the popular projects in any given kind of source list, if if you like. And and that's all also surfaced onto the cards here as well.

Now there might be people here looking well, thinking, oh, shit. Like, I I 500 sources, that's a lot. I'm probably gonna be interested in 10 of those, and I agree. Like, I'm personally not gonna be interested in all 500.

So we have a feature where you can make your own list. So basically, you can click star on any project as and when you see it. And if you don't see your own, go to the sources page and have a search.

And you can just click the star button. And all that does is adds it to your list. And you can see here that it's well, you can't see here because it's not it's I'm sharing the the browser window. But after I click that, what's happened is a a Nosta event has pop me to, and that I wanna add something to my list.

The reason that that happens is that currently, my list is built on top of

it uses the NoSTA standard to be able to sync across devices in different browsers. I definitely wanna add non NoSTA syncing as well, but that's all completely public. So if I was to go to another Nostre client that supports the the listing standard, I can see, you know, the list of things that q and a follows on freedom.tech.

Every time that I star or unstar something, I can click that, and it will take it out of my list, and that will be synced with Nosta so that if I visit if I visit the the page from a different browser, say on my phone or something like that, as long as I can log in with my Nostra account, then it's all synced.

And what the the My List basically means is that you can have your own custom feed. So once you filter out to my list, you have a chronological feed of your own stuff here.

So rather than having to scroll through or even look at any daily briefs, you can just come in here once a day, once a week, once a month, whatever, and just scroll through what's happened in the last thirty days of only the projects that you care about.

Definitely wanna add a way to be able to for non NOSD users to to leverage that sort of functionality. The reason I haven't done it just yet is I was still kind of putting the finishing touches to to what you see today yesterday.

So it's still you know, there's gonna be some significant changes moving forward to to usability and to improve that. But building, an account system or something like that was a big lift to be able to get it So that's why that's know that the user functionality is coming soon as well.

Yeah. I mean, even if you just had, like, a export import, that would probably be enough for for a lot of users to be able to do even if you didn't have, like, a a native sync thing with accounts and all that because it does add a lot.

Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. And what else have we got here? What else have I shown? So you you can filter by category, so you can see a chronological order of just the Bitcoin stuff. So if you don't wanna make your own list, but you're only interested in Bitcoin, just click on

the Bitcoin button at the top, and you'll get exactly that chronological order. And you can just go in, click, and you think, oh, let's have a quick scroll. Oh, bull Bitcoin, they've got a release. Click on that. You get your summary. And if you wanna see the original release notes, which is a great example here, like, look at all that.

That's great. But, like, nobody wants to sit there and and read it all unless you're really interested. So you get your at a glance at the top, and that's, you know, your idea as to do you wanna read more? Do you wanna, you know, deep dive a little bit further and maybe download and install that release?

I think the only other one I wanna show is just the weekly brief, which as the as you would think, it is just a longer version of the daily brief that incorporates the last seven days. Bit of a longer summary.

It starts with all of the vulnerabilities and patches at the top. As I said, that's the the waiting system that we've got. And then there is some more kind of AI summarization to look for trends,

which you can see here in weekly threads, and then it goes into all of the detailed stuff of just the plain old releases for privacy, AI, and all of the the different categories as well. And we also give a breakdown at the bottom that you can see by beat degree, which was the the hottest for that week as well.

Nice looking amazing. Definitely Yes. Love the focus here. So open call guest oh, by the way, it's all on RSS as well. So if you got an RSS reader and you don't wanna visit the site, you can add the RSS, obviously, and view it in whichever region that you wanna use.

We have a search feature as well, so you can just go to the top. And if you wanna search for Ashigaru,

there you go. All of the different releases will come up there. So that if you again, if you know, oh, there was an Ashigaru thing that I saw on Twitter, and I wonder if it was a release. You can just quickly come in here, give it a quick search, click on it, and we take it straight to all of the details.

That's pretty much it. Like I say, it's powerful. There's a hell of a lot of information here. I've tried to get some, you know, a base level of distillation so that it's manageable, and you can quickly search and filter and customize the the your feed and your site to

suit what you're interested in so that you don't have to even read the summaries or you don't have to kind of go into the daily or weekly briefs, and you can just see what's important to you. But I'm very keen to hear, like, I I want this to evolve and I want people's feedback.

I definitely want people to be suggesting sources so that we can continue to build up on top of that 500 because I'm sure that's a drop in the ocean. Once we get the the mind share and the hive mind with with a flywheel turning on this. It's gonna be loads of different projects that I haven't you know, that I've overlooked

that definitely deserve to be added here as well. So, yeah, guys, like, let me know in the comments and same to you, Max, and and to Seth, like, you have any immediate suggestions or points of feedback, I'd to love to hear it.

Definitely will. Do we have a question from Bon in the chat? There he is. If now I said, did I hear you say earlier you mostly use the cheaper Haikyu model to build this or do the research parts? Yeah. Great question.

So to actually build it, I was using Opus 4.8, which until recently was the Anthropic flagship. Obviously, now they have they have Fable, which is available on the subscription for another

two days, I believe. Although they've kicked the the can down down the road twice already, so maybe it'll be available for a little bit longer. But, yeah, Opus 4.8 was the one that built it.

And the research stuff, not necessarily the research, it's more the the the summarization for the daily and the weekly briefs and the recaps that is using Haiku, for the first touch, which is the cheap model, and that's how we're able to do it for, like, $30.40 dollars for an entire year across multiple

posts. Oh, well, you know, upwards of, like, seven to 10 posts per week as well. The only caveat oh, sorry. The only exception to that is the weekly recap. What I do there is I have Haiku do the first pass, and then Opus 4.8 goes over it again just as a second pass because there's a lot more information in there

to double check that, you know, Haiku, because it's a lesser model with much fewer parameters, isn't starting to hallucinate or just talk absolute crap. So I have a double check-in there for the weekly brief, which there's more, you know, a lot more information to summarize and to kind of distill

in a way that's actually usable for humans. So good question.

Very good question. Bum was also talking about, like, not wanting to give all your information away and doxing and all that kind of stuff, which is something we've talked about on the show a lot. Like, you don't wanna just feed everything to Claude and give all your personal information.

And, like, I find it where I don't wanna cross my personal stuff with my NIM stuff. And that's why in the chat, I was saying, Nano is something we've obviously had them on the show, but, like, leaning into that more and more, especially for the artwork and things like that where I topped it up, like, $20

maybe two months ago. I'm still nowhere near through that, and I've done hundreds of queries helping me write tweets, adjusting images, doing all sorts of things, and I paid him Monero. I've got no links to my personal details whatsoever.

I can use any of the models, and I find that to be, like, literally invaluable. It's it's so fucking useful, and it's something that Jordan talked to me about for months and months and months, and I ignored him just because I couldn't be bothered to try something new. And now yeah.

If you haven't tried it, it's worth giving it a go. Yeah. Nano is not one I've I've used much. I guess, primarily because I'm I'm riding the the subscription wave, I guess, where making the most of the subsidy era knowing full well that, you know, it's gonna disappear fairly soon.

Yeah. And we're gonna probably gonna be moved to a pay as you go model, which obviously means that things are gonna cost a lot more if you wanna keep output in the same sort of level, unfortunately.

And especially for projects like this, like, I just don't need it to be private. The whole point of this is that it's public. There there are obviously use cases where Maple and and Nano and stuff where you can pay with Bitcoin and

have it executed in a in a trusted environment and stuff for, you know, things like from, you know, need summarizations from documents from my accountants or lawyers or something like that, then, you know, I ain't giving that to Claude or or to to Codex or something.

But my point is it's it's much cheaper than I expected because I'd obviously tried Maple. And I think I said on the show, I went for their subscription thing. I'd use it for one hour, two hours, and I'd have done 90%, a 100% of my entire month's usage.

So it would burn through way quicker than I was expecting. And I obviously I obviously have the paid ChatGPT and paid Claude, but I don't wanna cross over and and, you know, use personal and and stuff crossing across the two.

But Nano, it's cost me fuck all. Like, literally $20. I've used maybe half of it. I've done it, like, I don't know, six weeks, eight weeks worth of image generation and and queries and all sorts of things using the frontier models, using GPT image gen, all that kind of stuff. So my my point is really I'm I'm shocked at how inexpensive

it is. And, actually, because of how much I pay for GBT and Claude, I'm considering just fucking those subscriptions off completely and just using that for everything.

That's interesting. Yeah. I'm I'm surprised at how little you said you spent over such a a large time frame. So that's that's interesting and and gives me a bit of hope. We're curious when you've been using that. What model have you been using with Nano? The Frontier ones, GPT's most most up to date thing, GPT image gen.

I never use a lesser model. It's always the sometimes I use the Claude ones, Opus 4.8, or whatever it is for, like, questions and when I'm trying to work something out. But yeah. I mean, I pay, I don't know, a couple of $100 a month in subscriptions to the Frontier models.

Yeah. And I've paid 20 over, like, eight weeks, and I use them in a pretty similar way, to be honest. So, yeah, maybe it's just me. But I I think where the kind of nano model falls down or or starts to to show the cost is when you start to do much more complex tasks like Mhmm. Multi hour

a prime example, like, this this morning, I've been building a proof of concept app for another one for for Passport Prime. Like, I had Codex running nonstop,

uninterrupted with no input from me for, like, two and a half hours, and I I I didn't even check how many tokens that is. But, like, if you're doing that level of stuff through the API, it's gonna start to cost you versus, like,

you know, doing a couple of images or generating some banger tweets or something like that. Like Yeah. Yeah. It's it's two completely different work work loads, I guess. Yeah. Agreed. Completely agree. And, like, as you say, you don't need to have the privacy with something like this, so why wouldn't you? But for people who do,

unless you are doing something really intensive, if you're just using it like the average person probably uses it, It's I'm just saying it's it surprised me.

What about you, Seth? I'm I'm curious. You haven't spoken much about the specifics of how you've been or what tools specifically you've been using next? I know you've kind of gone down that rabbit hole fairly recently and and fairly hard. Yeah.

I mean, similar to you, the subscription to Claude, their work. So that's been the the main thing that I've been leaning on for the vast majority of it. Outside of that, I've generally been leaning on Venice for more privacy preserving personal stuff,

for using Hermes with specifically, I'm using Venice as well. But I'm not I'm honestly not really using those that much. I know I've mentioned a lot before that I have used the

the Kagi AI tooling as well. So that's been the main one that I've used over the past, I don't know, probably a year or two, more for research on personal things and more personal questions. Cool. That was just super preserving.

So Coggy, their main thing is search, but they also have, basically, proxy AI. So privacy preserving, not not intent encrypted, but privacy preserving. Proxy AI, and they have, the like I've mentioned before, I really like their approach to not, like, not fully trust the AI AI responses to really, really well site sources, and,

they do a good job at at helping, like, especially on more, like, deep research stuff. I I like their approach there. So that's been a lot of what I've been using as well on the the personal side.

Nice. Just quickly to round us out, I've got a couple of questions. Well, probably one question for you guys. And and also to the audience, like, please answer in the comments or if you're listening afterwards, please send a a a small boost and and answer the question yourself.

Like, once you've now that you've had a a very brief look at the website, are there any features or things that you think could be added in the future that could help this evolve and be even more useful and save the reader time or improve the the kind of readability or the the functionality of the website?

I have one, which I'll bring up in a minute, but I don't wanna kind of steal your thunder. I'm curious to to know if there's anything immediately jumping out at you given that you've, like, looked at it for twenty minutes, let's say.

I think the only one that I found digging in is if I go into a category, I can't quickly star projects there. I have to then click into the the release, and then I can start. Honestly, that's only, like catch. That's, like, the only thing I've really noticed. Everything else is working beautifully. And the the other main thing

was just the for those of us not regularly using Nostr, what's the way that we'll be able to sync across devices, which you've already mentioned. So, honestly, those are those are the biggest ones. Maybe the only other one would be, I think you had mentioned that there's separate RSS feeds that you can choose from,

but there's only one RSS button that just takes you straight to the RSS feed. Maybe that that would be good to have a subpage that has the the list of different RSS feeds that you can choose from.

Good point. Yeah. I'm almost certain they are separated by category as well as an overall, but, yeah, good call out.

Have one feature, one idea, but I'll talk to you about it off air because it Oh. It the it's either really brilliant or it's brilliantly retarded, and I'm not sure quite which one it is yet. So I'll I'll I'll share that in private.

Alright. Cool. Well, the only one I had other than the the the the ones that Seth mentioned, thank you for those, is maybe having, a a bot somewhere, like, on the page that you can just talk to. It would probably need to be a paid service, obviously, because this you know, it could be it could be abused.

But rather than having to, like, do a manual search or you could have more custom answers of, like I don't know. I run an umbrella node. Can you let me know if there's been any updates to this specific app in the last six weeks? So, you know, really custom queries that would save somebody a lot of time, but is

is not something that I could build because it because it is a custom query and have that as a

it'd probably have to be a paid service because it would get abused, but, like, maybe gated by a few sats or something like that so that those that wanted to use it could, and they could get their custom answers. And those that didn't wanna pay for a single thing don't have to. I I think that that idea has got some legs.

I think it comes down to the implementation, but curious to hear what you think.

Yep. Great. Okay. Thanks. So I I thought I heard Seth unkick in his mouth. I thought he was gonna go. No. That sounds brilliant, mate. I love that idea. Yeah. Very good.

Sorry. I was trying to I was trying to dig through again just to see if there were any last minute comments, but, no, I think that sounds like a great a great great plan. Yeah. Well done, mate. This is very, very cool. And I've obviously seen this being for a while now and,

yeah, extremely impressed with what you and your your Claude has built. Well, I appreciate the feedback, guys. Thank you for giving me a little platform and

to to show and tell. Proud of it, to be honest. It's been really fun to build as well. Obviously, I've not been doing heavy lifting. That's been my old pal, Claude. But, yeah, I'm happy to have it in over oh, sorry, in the in the public domain. So I have

some favors to ask of the listeners if they're live or if they are catching up on the podcast feed. Number one, go to freedom.tech, have a poke around, create your your own list. Let me know what breaks. Let me know what doesn't work for you. Give me some feedback so I can improve it.

Let me know if you have any answers to my previous question around how can we improve it. Do you like the idea of having a chatbot there? Would you pay for it if it was there? Or do you have any other ideas that would, you know, help take this to the next level?

I'm very curious to hear, you know, how people are gonna use this and and what

what they you know, what ideas people have. Outside of that, please go and follow the account on Twitter. It's at FreedomTech. And on Nosta, if you just search FreedomTech, it'll be there. Please share it. If you're on those platforms, let's help get the word out. And, yeah, start leveraging the the daily

your latest Freedom tech. Quick answer to Bon, is the previous newsletter active or do we need to sign up again? No. Completely new list. I haven't ported that across yet because I thought I didn't wanna, you know, assume, you know, people signed up for one thing and this is a different thing. So it's a fresh list.

Head to freedom.tech and you you can subscribe on the homepage and just pop your email in and you'll get an email every Sunday evening.

Right. That's all of my favors. Head to freedom.tech, check it out and give us a follow and a share. Appreciate you all. Max, Seth, been a blast. Thank you as always. Hope everybody has a awesome weekend. Go out and enjoy the sunshine, and we'll be back at the same time next week with more Freedom Tech goodness.

Awesome. Thank you, mate. See you.

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