Bitcoin Monthly 0013

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Yeah. All right, you ungovernable misfits. I'm your host, Max. Everybody knows that Bitcoin is useless, worthless, and doomed to fail. But what if everyone's wrong? What if it's the system that is doomed to fail?

Join me as I speak to some of the brightest people in the space, and slither to the deepest, darkest depths of the Bitcoin rabbit hole.

Welcome back, everyone. Today's episode is with Bitcoin Q&A, Antimus, and Catan. We do our Bitcoin monthly roundup. We go through all the best articles, software updates, and much more. I really enjoyed this one, and I hope you enjoy listening.

Before we start the show, I want to say thank you to everyone who's been screaming, sat my way on the Fountain app, and sending the personal messages. I really do appreciate it. I'd also like to thank Casa for supporting the show, and anyone who's listening and considering upgrading their security to multi-sig.

I strongly suggest you check them out at keys.casa. You can use my code, which is bit-by-bit 10, which will get you 10% off. And it's over a year I've been using them now. I've actually just sent them a few sats to get another year's subscription.

And I really do love the service. It is so simple to use. The app is clean, and if you take the right precautions, you can also protect your privacy. I'm happy to answer any questions around this, and if anyone wants to reach out, please do.

Next up, we have FastBitcoins. FastBitcoins have been supporting this show for a few months now, and as you all know, I suggest you go to a no KYC source if you can, but I spent a lot of time trying to find someone that could be trusted with personal information and who does things properly.

FastBitcoins have an incredible team, and they have a security first mindset. They were the first exchange to integrate with lightning, and they seem to always be at the forefront. I recently had a episode with the CEO, Danny Brewster, and if you haven't listened to that, I suggest you have a listen, check it out,

see what they're about, and if you have any questions, you can reach out to me, or check them out at fastbitcoins.com. And last but not least, we have Foundation Devices. Foundation Devices are making some incredible hardware.

We discussed them in this episode, and they've just had an update with another one coming very soon. I love to see the direction this company is taking. It's fully open source. They really care about design and usability.

I love the flow. I like the fact they're using QR codes, and you have PSBT, but it's not clunky. It really is a beautiful bit of design. If you haven't checked it out already, go to foundation devices.com.

You can get $10 off your purchase if you use the code bit by bit, and if you have any questions, you can reach out to me or the team. Enjoy the show. - Can you hear me? - Hello, mate. Good morning.

Morning, morning. - Good evening. - Oh yeah, good evening there. (laughing) - You're still there. You haven't escaped. - No, no. I'm still in the good leg. - Fucking hell. Let us know if you want us to send help.

(laughing) Well, this is a very nice treat. How did you two work this one out? We'd get graced with your presence, Katan. I write to him every week, Q and A, I'm like, "Katan, do you want to come and join?"

We'd love to have you on. He's like, "Now, mate, fuck off. "Don't want to join you." And then you just whisper it as ever once, and he fucking comes straight on. - Yeah, I've got some dirt on him, so I use it as leverage every now and again.

(laughing) - Ah, nice, nice. (laughing) - And now we were just talking shit as we do most days, and I just asked him if he was busy in 20 minutes, 'cause we were recording, and he was like, "Nope, so I invited him on, and here we are."

- Excellent. Well, we've just stepped our game up. Very nice. - Thanks for having me. - Absolute pleasure. So we're gonna do normal format then. And Thomas, you want to go through all the updates and bits and pieces, and then we stop on any ones of particular interest.

- Yeah, sounds good. I think we'll go through, 'cause it's a pretty long list this month. So we'll probably jump over a few, and then dive into some more important ones that are a bit deeper.

- Cool. - One thing I want to get out of the way, Kitan, it's amazing to meet you in person, man. You're one of the voices that's really influential, the beginning of my Bitcoin journey, sitting down for days on end with my father-in-law, seeing up nodes and stuff, watching your videos.

It's amazing. Cheers, man. - No, thank you. Thanks for watching. Appreciate it. And I hope you learned something out of it, and got something. So yeah, now I try and help as many people as I can with random nodes.

So I know it's a sometimes daunting experience, but I try and make it as easy as possible. Yeah. - No, cheers. Really appreciate it. - Cool. Okay. Yeah, let's jump in. Starting off with BISC V1.8.2 and Bitbox 02 firmware V9.9.0.

Blockstream green Android V3.0.8 has got a cool update, which now also uses recovery phrases with QR codes. So something that seed signer has been using for a while now. That's quite cool.

One thing I'm not 100% sure on is if they're actually compatible. Do you know about that? You know, if the current state of the wallet space is anything to go by, I'm guessing probably not, but is it just for everybody listening?

Is this essentially where, let's say you have bought a new phone and you've got blockchain green on the old one, and then you download blockchain green on the new one. Is it just like a QR scan to import the seed from one to the new device rather than having to type out the seed?

- Yeah, that's how I understand it. I'm not quite sure if they actually use it as a,

'cause I mean, seed signer uses it as an actual, as the actual backup and the seed signer itself is just the signing device. It's not actually the hardware wallet, so it's not actually saving the keys.

So you'd need that to rescan it every time. This, I think, is just a backup so that you can import it into either a new wallet, or yeah, if you somehow lose your phone or something crashes.

- Yeah, I think blue wallet does the same. I might do a test after actually just to see if the two are interoperable. - Okay. Then we've got blockstream green desktop V1.0.5. That's also a big development there that you can now eventually connect to your own Electrum server.

That's definitely important for privacy reasons there.

- Blue wallet V6.2.17. That's now pulling back on AOPP. That's one of the subjects we'll probably dive into in a bit more detail later on. Big out cry last week, but yeah. - Cool to see. - Yeah, there's been a couple of updates on that one that I think we can, we'll probably have a deep dive into after the software update, shall we?

- Yeah. - Sure, there'll be a hot discussion on that one.

Breeze has also updated to 0.12 service pack and BTC pay server V1.4.3. Had a pretty big one last month. Basically completely redesigned the UI UX and put in a whole bunch of new features including removing ERC 20 tokens, which is cool too.

- For some reason, when I go into the UI to hit upgrade, it's all grayed out and it's saying that I don't have the SSH keys applied. But when I go into the SSH section, everything's there and it says it's all hunky-dory.

So I'm gonna have to do some head scratching on that one, but maybe that's one for an offline discussion. So I can pick your brains. - One thing that's pretty cool as well in that update is also the LN URL auth.

That is, we've spoken about that a few times in the past months that we haven't seen too many implementations there. That's a pretty cool feature now, seeing that pop up in a few different releases as two of a.

- Yeah, so how would that work in practice then with BTC pay server then? 'Cause I see the notes, it says it's that as a two FA as a two second factor authentication. So I'm just trying to sort of model out on my head what that actually looks like in practice.

- Not 100% sure to be honest. I think you probably, well, you'd need some kind of wallet that would be compatible, right? So like I saw that Zeus will come to that later as well, but Zeus also implemented LN URL auth.

So I guess you can probably hook that up and use your keys from your lightning wallet from Zeus to sign in as two FA to be to pay server. Okay, then we've got electricity 0.9.4 and then also foundation devices passport for 1.0.8.

That's maybe something you wanna go into as well. - Yeah, not a huge release, couple of minor bug fixes with kind of to do with Bitcoin core and the interactions there. We added support for a simple Bitcoin wallet which is a mobile first wallet that sports on chain, lightning and egg at hardware wallets like passport

and I believe the keystone. And then finally, we just added a quick enhancement that auto deletes signed transactions after they've been, after you've done with them essentially so that you don't, you know, if you're transacting a lot, you don't have loads of redundant PSBT files just sat filling up your SD card.

So I was just kind of a minor fix there. We do hot off the press have a release coming out this week, 1.9, which I'll save the details for for next month. - Okay, looking forward to that.

Then we've got joining box fee 0.6.6. A few updates there, nothing major, I think. - Has anyone yet used this? Now we've got Catan here 'cause we always have the same discussion. I'll be interested to, 'cause I've used it but while being supervised by open arms and I did think it was quite interesting

but I'd love to hear what Catan thinks about this. - Join in a box? - Yeah. - Mate, I have not used join in a box or I haven't used join market in a very, very long time. The last time that I probably started using it was, or yeah, it was when I did like a video series on one of the videos was join market

and I kind of used it as like a way of accumulating stats through yield generation. And then after that, I kind of stopped and just went into Whirlpool, just splashed straight in. So I haven't used join market in a very long time and I haven't been keeping up to date with it, unfortunately.

- Okay. - Yeah. - What's your thoughts on it in general? 'Cause there's loads of chat at the moment on Twitter about, well, there always is, but seems specifically this week, loads of people are popping their heads up and arguing against mixed coins.

And obviously you wanna be using something that works best and I know everyone just says, "I'll just use Samurai." And that's what I use as Whirlpool mainly just 'cause it's easy. But it did seem like it was quite an interesting option because like you said, with the yield, like if you go in with the first round

and you're actually putting up your coins and you can earn something on it, like do you think that it's maybe useful to have as something additive or do you think that in its current form, it's just that you might as well just use Whirlpool?

- So I think if you are wanting to generate yield from it, I wouldn't expect it to see, just like you would with a Lightning Network node, people go in thinking that they're gonna earn lots and lots of Sats.

That's probably not the case. Now, admittedly, my sort of data is a bit out of date. No, I did mine a fair while ago, but it wasn't that much. And I don't know if that's improved, but I can't imagine you getting some sort of yield out of there that you can live on, for instance, or it's not like some sort of passive income thing.

But in terms of, I guess, the privacy and the ease of use of not having to deal with certain aspects to join market, I think Samurai Wallet and Sparrow these days are probably the better option for people who just want to get the job done quickly without making too much of a mess.

Because I know guys with that, they join market wallet to it, trying to recover it from there five different mix depth. - Mix depth, yeah. - Yeah. - When I used it, what Oppenom said to me was, it was like, the thing is, if you use this, you can effectively get free mixing.

Don't look at it as I'm going to make a load of money and it's like some sort of fucking DeFi yield farming shit. It's just literally that you could effectively get your mixing free, but it is more fiddly.

And so, I don't know what the percentage is really that you end up paying with Whirlpool. But it is a fair amount, but you have to consider at least. And so, for some people, you'd be looking at that and saying, well, is it worth my time to play around with this?

And then the other question is, well, actually, is the result going to be the same? And I guess it's like, unless you know what you're doing, you could probably fuck it up or lose your coin.

So that's where it lies, I guess. - I have an interest in anecdote that I've just been looking at bitcoinkpi.com, which is like a Bitcoin stats website by the Twitter user, Typerbly, I think his username is.

- That's just the hack thing. - No, no, it's referenced to Joy Market, but can anybody remember when the Fidelity bonds was introduced? I wanna say it was like the Tour de Baca in the last year.

- Yeah, I think it was November, October, November, something like that, yeah. - Yeah, 'cause I've just been looking at the stats now for Joy Market on this site. And since that, since sort of, when did you say it was anonymous, November, did you say?

- Yeah, October, November, something like that. - Yeah, so the number of makers in Joy Market, so these are the people that are putting up the liquidity to be mixed is trending downwards, not massively, but it's trending downwards.

And the liquidity per maker is trending upwards, which tells me that the, correct me if I'm understanding it's wrong, but the number of people who are putting their liquidity up for mixing on Joy Market is decreasing so that there's fewer and fewer people that you can have available to mix, and they're just putting up more liquidity.

So it seems as though it's kind of getting a little bit more centralized than maybe that the Fidelity bonds have not had the desired effect. Well, of course, they get the desired effect in terms of the actual base use case of the Fidelity bond in that.

It inspires the takers with some confidence, but it seems to be having a very minor sort of centralizing effect on the order book, if that makes sense. - That's interesting. Again, it's not trending down massively, but it's probably something that I might keep an eye on in the future.

- I mean, it does make sense 'cause you are putting up locking up Bitcoin in your Fidelity bond. And once you do take that step, you're incentivized to put up more Bitcoin in offers to actually use that, and you wouldn't spread it around too much on other sides maybe or other opportunities

where you might get some yield as well. So if you actually do take that step and put up a big Fidelity bond, yeah, it's probably to be expected that the liquidity would rise per user. - You could have had one user that was running as several different makers with different wallets.

I don't know why they'd do that, maybe to spread their risk or something like that. And then because of the Fidelity bonds, they've then joined all of those as one. So it could technically be that you still have the same amount of people, just it looks like less.

- That's a good point. Yeah, it could be a bit of a misnomer, and obviously you will never kind of get to the bottom of that. - Yeah, yeah. - I just thought it was an interesting start. I just stumbled across it while you and Catamma mention it anyway, I thought I'd bring it up.

- That's actually, yeah, a really good point because I mean, that was always the criticism against Joy Market that you never quite knew who the participants were and that you might have this risk of a civil attack.

And that was the idea of the Fidelity bonds to mitigate against that. So that is actually for exactly doing its job. Yeah. - Okay, all right, I derailed us there. Should we carry on with the updates?

Okay, we've got mempool.space with a few UI improvements there, like updates in the legend, looking all cool, API documentation as well for anyone pulling information from that site. We then have my node v0.2.151.

They've introduced OpenDime support, which is pretty cool, you can plug it right in. Haven't tried it yet, but have read up on that and plan to do that this week, see if that works. - Do I understand that correctly that it's essentially plugged the OpenDime directly into your Raspy Pie and it'll have the same sort of similar interface

to the actual HTML file that comes in the OpenDime? - Exactly, it splays the balance and whatnot. - All right, good. - Yeah, that's why I'm hoping we'll see. I'll try it out this week, but yeah.

- Sparrow added this as well, didn't they? I'm not strictly speaking at an OpenDime support, but it was a private key import support, wasn't it? Which is essentially what an OpenDime is. So it was good to say, but I don't think he's actually released, no, he has released that code, yeah, it's just not in this month.

- Okay. Then we've got Phoenix v1.4.20 and with minor updates there, write the lightning v0.12.1, and it's also a better maintenance, also minor. And then Ronan Dojo v1.13.0 software updates and prep for plug and play.

So they obviously released the Tanto, it's called, I think. Yeah, Zelko was on bit by bit to here, a few weeks back. Yeah, brilliant plug and play node, so they're doing a lot of preparation for that.

- I'm gonna go into unpaid chill mode here now, but I've managed to, I got my hands on one and it's sitting right in front of me. This thing is a piece of art, it's so fucking heavy. I just, I find myself kind of looking at it and stroking it every now and again.

And when it first arrived and I, 'cause I already had all the internals, I just managed to swindle a case out of them. And I was like, so I got it all, it was looking beautiful on my desk and I was like, right, shit.

Now I've gotta go and put it in the corner of my hallway right next to my router. So I was like, straight into the dev chat to poke them about enabling Wi-Fi so that I can have it sat on my desk in front of me, rather than it being hidden in the dark corner because it's so beautiful, I just wanna look at it all the time.

So I'm gonna keep poking the devs on that one. I know they're not big fans of Wi-Fi enabled nodes due to the stability thing, but if we could, if I can manage to get them to, you know, even make it optional to show I can have it sat on my desk, it's a win for me.

Can't you run a cable? Yeah, but that'll probably, well, I've gotta run it across a hallway and then it's at the bottom of the stairs and have you looked into my way for the hate? - You wanna say again?

- Powerline adapters. Basically, you can run the ethernet through the existing power lines of your home. So you plug one into one PowerPoint and you plug that into your router and then you go somewhere else in your house and you plug that into another PowerPoint in your home and out comes the Wi-Fi out of that little device.

Have you heard of those? - Holy shit. Can you come back on next month if you're gonna come up in the anecdotes like that? Do you know what, actually? I have heard of that and I don't know why I've never considered it.

So I'm gonna go straight on to Amazon after this recorded and buy one and see if it works, but yeah, thanks for the heads all that. - Mate, you gotta get onto it, mate. - It's fantastic, dude.

Yeah, it's not only a lifesaver, it's also a whole lifesaver, so. (laughing) - I was just about to say, actually, that might save me some headaches from the wife moaning about all of my little nerdy things that sat bunched in a cable mess next to the router.

(laughing) Yeah, I like that. Thank you for the heads up. I'll report back next month. Hold me to that one. - Okay, we've got Samurai Wallet V0.99.98B. Stability Hot Fix for World Pool. After the big update, last month, we went into detail on that on the last episode.

Simple Bitcoin Wallet V2.4.27. Also Pin Oath and bug fixes, also minor updates there. Yeah, this was one of the bigger updates, Spectre Desktop V1.8.1, also with SWAN integration. So you can hook that up to your account with SWAN

and do your DCA right into your cold storage via Spectre. Something that, yeah, fits in with the whole discussion on AOPP2, but yeah, maybe we open the AOPP floodgates here because it seems quite fitting.

I know Max is probably gonna have some interesting thoughts on this. The whole SWAN integration, it seems to fit quite sort of tightly with the AOPP kind of thing as well. Let's cover this one thing first.

What are your thoughts on the integration? Good thing, bad thing in different, not bothered. - Horses for courses, isn't it? It's just like, I think whatever we have this discussion, whether it's on Twitter or here, it's gonna come down to the same thing is like, some people are gonna love this and some people are gonna hate this

and just don't use it if you're concerned. And if you are gonna use it, at least think it through. I mean, it does feel a little bit like it's sliding the wrong way to me. And it's not something that I would personally use, but then who am I to say what someone else does?

Like, if this is freedom money, if this is actually freedom money and fuck you money, then people should be free to use it however they want. And if I tell them that it's wrong, they should be free to tell me to fuck off.

So, I don't know. - Yeah, definitely look at this. This is probably just kind of, for those users that are DCA and on SWAN directly into their hardware wallet. And this kind of just removes some friction.

So it's something they were gonna do anyway. So I get the sort of why people would be excited by it and why the expected desktop team have done it. And I'm sure there's some monetary incentive for them as well, which obviously I would never be grudge a free and open source developer team to do.

The bit where I draw an issue is, and again, it probably harked into the AOPP discussion, but it's kind of the direct integration of the quote unquote legacy system into non-custodial wallets or non-custodial wallet interfaces.

That's the bit that we've kind of removed another HOPP now where the two sides, if you like, are just becoming more and more intertwined in certain aspects, this being one of them. And it just, I can't quite put my finger on why, just the fact that the two sides are slowly merging, just makes me a little bit uneasy.

And again, harked back to what you just said, Max, you know, this is completely user choice, it's free and open source software. So we could fork spectrum and take this out if they wanted to, that's the beauty of open source.

Or you could use Spectre without touching this one, but then again, it's completely free to use it. Just the whole thing just makes me a little bit more and easier as to where we might be heading, that's all.

- Yeah, I think also, I mean, exactly to your point, it's something that even if you're just using, I haven't looked into the actual UI, what it looks like, what the integration actually is.

But it feels like even people who won't be using Swan, but will be using Spectre with their hardware wallets, we'll just have that as an advertisement, sitting right in there, right in the UI, in front of them the whole time, it feels wrong.

I don't know, we'll see how they actually implement it. But having that one layer removed, as you say, I think it is beneficial from a workflow for a lot of people. But having that sitting right in front of everyone while they're using the app, it would turn me off.

I don't know, that's just personal. - Yeah, it is quite funny how it was released in the exact same week at the whole AOPP uproar occurred, actually, so I'll briefly cover what the AOPP thing is and what's kind of happened this week.

So AOPP, I should have looked at what it actually stands for, hopefully somebody can Google it while I'm talking and save me in a couple of minutes when I shut up. But it's essentially a protocol designed or implemented to enable non-custodial wallet software.

So Spectre, Sparrow, Blue Wallet, anything like that, to adopt the Bitcoin, the native Bitcoin message shining, sort of protocol, which has been in the Bitcoin core for years and years, to allow the user to click a button, essentially, in their non-custodial wallet when they're withdrawing from an exchange

so that they can prove ownership of the address that's being withdrawn to. So, which doesn't seem like, yeah, Katan's just saying me, so address ownership-proof protocol, which does exactly what it says on the tin and what I've just sort of outlined.

So, on the surface of it, it doesn't sound like a big issue. If you're buying from a KYC exchange and you're withdrawing to an address that you supply that exchange, it's gonna be interpreted that that is your address.

The issue where we've had some uproar this last, within the last month is where this protocol has been implemented in a number of non-custodial wallets where KYC is not a thing and it doesn't exist.

You don't need to provide information to you, Sparrow or Blue Wallet, or anything like that. So, what kicked it off was Trezor came out in full support of this saying that they were gonna integrate it into their wallet software, which is, again, correct me if I'm wrong, is the default for Trezor users.

They are pushed towards to use Trezor Suite, which is the desktop software, and it's gonna have this protocol built in. So, that kind of kicked off the uproar because they came out, they did a blog post as well as they thought it was a good idea.

This protocol's actually been around for two years and has been implemented by Shift Crypto, Blue Wallet, Sparrow Wallet, but it was the Trezor blog post that seemed to kick off the uproar.

So, people have expressed their dismay for the reasons that we talked about with respect to issue really is that this is kind of one-hop closer towards the incumbent system whirming their way into non-custodial wallets so that it's kind of KYC one-hop away from the exchange and it feels like the exchanges are partaking

in this kind of women, their tentacles in further out of their remit. So, there was a massive HUHA and a lot of people, it generated a lot of engagement on Twitter, everybody calling out Trezor saying that they thought it was a bad idea.

Trezor doubled down, pushed back for 24 hours, the pressure mounted, and the pressure also mounted on the other wallet so it turned out, 'cause everybody went lucky and said, "Does my wallet have this implemented?"

So, it turned out that Sparrow had it, Blue Wallet had it, and again, like I say, Shift Crypto, who actually helped with the integration also had it. So, within 48 hours after that and a lot of pressure from the Bitcoin community, Trezor have walked it back and have taken this feature out of their software.

Sparrow's done the same and so have Blue Wallet, so the only remaining non-custodial wallet provider that conforms to this regulation, if you could call it, that is Shift Crypto, which I'm not sure what their desktop wallet software is called, but anyway, they're the only ones that are currently sort of playing ball

with this regulation, essentially. - It's just a bit box app, it's called. - Okay, and to my knowledge, this isn't actually law anywhere other than Switzerland, as far as I know, which makes sense as to why Shift Crypto might think it's a good idea.

I've been talking for a while, but I'll just cap it off to say that I'm really happy that Blue Wallet and Trezor and Sparrow have all walked it back. And I think it just to summarize it seems as though a simple message sign in protocol might not seem like the end of the world, especially when you're already

using a KYC exchange, they're going to assume that that is your address anyway, but pandering to these ridiculous regulations in my mind is not the way to change things and it's really refreshing to have seen the amount of pushback that we've had on this in the last couple of weeks, so keep to get everybody else's thoughts on this one.

- Yeah, I think for the people, I mean, as you mentioned in Switzerland, that's the only country that's mandated that, it obviously sucks for people who are having to go through that process and it would have been easier for them to have that integration.

But because of a lot of these software applications, I mean, are being used worldwide, it would open the doors for new regulation around the world. If they knew that the technical solutions are all being implemented and it would be no big hassle for users to sign that way.

So I think on that front, it is a big win. But one thing that I think it's cool that they took a step back and removed it from their software, but that is not enough in itself. I think the one example that was also mentioned in the article on Bitcoin Magazine was that in last year in the Netherlands, they had a similar situation

where it was also mandated that you sign, that you own the withdrawal addresses. And that was actually fought in court and the regulation was taken back. So, and that I think is the next step that some, the technology is out there now to do that.

Everyone knows that the regulators have seen that too. So I think it's just a matter of time. This just bought us some time till it'll be implemented or mandated. And I think, yeah, the next step has to be that to fight that in court.

- The doors open now, that's the problem. It's like once you make them aware, like you said, you make them aware, oh yeah, you can do this, it's easy to integrate. Then they'll come up with the stupid argument, like, oh, what have you got to hide?

Why wouldn't you do it? It's easy. And it's like, it's so easy just to roll over and go, oh, well, it's not that much of a difficulty because they know we've bought from KYC Exchange, so they've got record that we have it.

So you would assume that you are sending to your own wallet and then you could do the hops from there and you can make all these excuses and like, that's not wrong, but it just sets a precedent.

And like Q and A, like you were saying, the fact that we're getting more and more integration with the legacy system is not exciting. It's shit because we know how fucked the legacy system is.

Most of us are here because we don't wanna touch that anymore. And so bringing these things in to appease regulators and to make it really, really easy for people to get onboarded is, in my opinion, like we always talk about time preference.

It's really fucking high time preference. It's like, oh, let's just make it as easy as possible for people so that more and more people come in so that none would go up. Why else would you want to get more users on board, like more normies in here?

Like, what's the reason? And then so you then get yourself tied up with more and more regulations. You get yourself into more and more trouble over time and everything's tracked and everything's traced.

Well, how much is it gonna be worth long-term then? Because then you take away one of the most interesting properties of this thing, or certainly the most interesting to me is like, it becomes less and less free.

And so I just think people maybe need to rethink, yeah. If they are saying on Twitter, oh yeah, this is gonna be generational wealth, blah, blah, blah. Like, half of it's obviously bullshit because if that really was the way you're thinking, then why do you care about onboarding a couple more people this year and making it 1% easier?

It's a fool's game, I think. It's around like that creep between slowly creeping into our free and open source wallet software. It just, it does not feel right, it doesn't seem right. And I just, I don't, I don't, it doesn't, yeah.

My instincts just go, nah, this is not something that we are going to pander to. I don't wanna see it in my software. I don't want developers developing this crap. I don't want them to make it easier for, you know, ramping on and off to a legacy system.

So yeah, I'm very happy with the, you know, the turn of events that happen there. Yeah, that creep, it's like, where does it end then, right? So once you bring in this AOPP, oh, just a little bit more, just a little bit more.

Next thing you know, what the whole development team is bought out by a regulatory, you know, capture? - Just the tip. - So that's, so it's just, I'm glad we just said, absolutely no, there needs to be a massive pushback from the start and that's what I saw this week or last week or two weeks ago.

And it was great to see. - Just to cap off that discussion, on the day after the day was the big massive pushback, Samurai Wallet did a telegram sort of live stream on their thoughts 'cause I think they had, they were sort of at the forefront of a lot of the pushback.

So probably good, I'll send you the link to it, Max, if you haven't already heard it, because it's like an hour sort of Q&A session where they sort of explain their stance on it and why they, why, you know, once you sort of scratch under the surface a little bit, it's not just sort of an innocent little message sign

in protocol, so it's a good one to link, I think. - Nice. All right, then we'll jump on the last few, we've got ThunderbV0.13.6 with small updates and then also TrezaSuite V2.22.1.1. There's also AOPP as we just discussed,

but taking that back, then UmbrellOS.V.0.4.13

with a few new apps in their app store. Well, Paul CLI V0.10.12. Also a few updates there with dress reuse, protection, and a few others, which is nice. Then the last two, Zap Android V0.5.5 beta

and Zeus V0.6.0 beta with LN URL oath as we discussed earlier. There's one news article that I wanted to bring up 'cause I know you two, Max and Antimus are pretty keen on the minor front.

Did you see the news about Grid and Intel with their sort of deal that they've struck? - Hmm, I did. - What's your thoughts on that? It seems like it's gonna be quite a big deal. - Yeah, it's, I guess just we have to wait and see, but it certainly is exciting to see another big, big player come in.

It hopefully could shake things up a little bit. I am slightly concerned about my little bit of hash rate and what's gonna happen to the market 'cause like it feels like this could really explode.

I was chatting to someone the other day who, I was saying with a lot of these big contracts where they're purchasing like a large company is purchasing 50 million, 100 million worth of miners.

They're going to Bitmain or they're speaking to the Chinese manufacturers. They're saying, all right, we're putting 50 million and 100 million down. Can we have an agreement drawn up? And can you tell us when it's gonna arrive and can we have some sort of payment scheme where if you deliver late, then you owe us

or if it's early, then we pay you extra and blah, blah, blah. And they're just like, no, can we just send you over ask the listeners questions? No, you either want them or you don't. As much as I love that, it's really fucking funny to see like these huge companies who are used to doing things a certain way, just being told, no,

if you want it, you pay us. If you don't and you wanna do things your way, fuck off. I think what will probably happen is someone like Intel will really professionalise the whole thing and you will probably see bigger players come in, big money come in because that's the way that they operate.

And also it's Intel, like, as much as we're fighting against suitiness and all that kind of stuff, I do think that more money's gonna come in, which maybe worries me because I think hash rate could explode, but at the same time, at least it decentralises things a little bit and we don't just have two big players.

We shall see. What about you, Antimas, any thoughts on that? - Yeah, I think, I mean, to your point, I think the agreement was between the two of them that they'd be taking one quarter of all their mining supply through 2025.

So that's a pretty big deal. I mean, we'll see how much they'll actually be producing, but it seems like they're not fucking around. So there'll be a steady flow of additional hash rate coming on over the next few years.

- Yeah, so yeah, as it pertains to like difficulty, I think that will be pretty brutal over the next few years. So I'm with you on the one. - Being scared about my hash rate. But one thing that I am really looking forward to is seeing the specs of the miner from Intel, 'cause what I've heard is supposed to be very efficient,

but also modular and on a smaller scale. So I think that's something we spoke about a few months ago as well that maybe having like something that Steve Barber talks about a lot as well is that like the Prius of the miners, like something that's efficient and cheap and small and modular, that might be something that would be cool

if it goes in that direction, but we'll see. - Yeah, I was just about, my first thought when I read it was that Intel was sort of getting into the game was that this has got, if it's ever gonna happen, this has got to be the start of the sort of commodification of Bitcoin mining and it sort of

becomes a lot less of a sort of niche thing to do. And you know, if they can make like Antima says the Prius or the slow and steady, semi-efficient, not massive hash rate, but something that you just plug in and forget about that doesn't cause you to have a divorce or a mental breakdown then.

- I think it's gonna be exciting to see how it pans out and I've seen them get down on mute himself a couple of times so I'm gonna show up now so he can chime in. - Yeah, so I don't, look, I'm not because here in Australia the power is ridiculously expensive, but you know, so I don't follow too much in mining, but the first thing

that I thought of whenever I see Intel is, is there gonna be a backdoor in here? Like that's what I hope, that's what I hope to do. So yeah, so your investment may actually be okay, but Max, in the world, is it though?

Because what does a backdoor mean? Does it mean that they're gonna be using some of the hash that they're effectively like that's their backdoor or are you thinking, oh, well, they're taking information that they shouldn't?

Because if it's that they're somehow taking hash, then as long as they're actually hitting the figures that they advertise, then it doesn't really matter. Let's say that like Intel comes in and they go, well, we've got this minor and it's gonna be 200 tera hash and it out competes, or if it's gonna be the, you know,

the Honda, then okay, it's 100 tera hash, but it's less than half the price of something that's 200 tera hash and it's more efficient. Well, okay, even if they are taking a percentage and you don't know about it, does it really matter?

Or are you thinking that it's actually gonna be your personal information or something, some sort of fuckery like that? - Yeah, so I was thinking some sort of fuckery like that. I was thinking maybe they would be able to get information through on your net, 'cause you're gonna be connected to your home network or some other network.

Will they have access to other, you know, insecure devices in your home, you know, those sorts of things, I don't know, I mean, look, I'm just, we all use Intel computers anyway, but I'm just suggesting, yeah, because we've got the word Bitcoin, it just, alarm bills just start to go, okay, private keys, ex pubs, these sorts of things.

What's been, what can be extracted out of my home? - True, how many are gonna be home, mate? I would think that Intel are gonna go for the big boys. It just makes sense, because what I said earlier is like, it's Wild, Wild West, these big companies, if they're deploying hundreds of millions of dollars,

they're not used to people saying, have it or not, I don't fucking care, like no, I'm not reading this user agreement, no, I'm not speaking short solicitors, just buy it or fuck off, like that's basically how they're treated, they're treated like shit, basically compared to what they're normally treated like.

So they're gonna come to someone like Intel, because they're like, well, it's Intel, they do all of this stuff that we're used to, and we know that we feel safe, and then do they care if they're buying 10,000 miners and whacking them in a warehouse and doing all the compliant shit in the SG anyway, it's like, well,

they probably don't care if they're being backdoor, 'cause everyone knows, it's all out in the open anyway. But yeah, to a point about home mining, that's probably true, we should try and sort of do some digging before anyone wax them into their home.

- Right, the last big thing, and the main reason I want to take a time here today, 'cause I know he's been in the trenches with this one, is Craig from Sparrow has released

a sort of a piece of documentation that he's been doing some testing around different electron servers, based on some of the technical issues that have been coming up in the telegram room since he implemented Whirlpool.

So I won't steal this thunder, I'll let Katann sort of set the scene and tell us what he's found in relation to the information that Craig's put out as well. - All right, so, Craig's putting out some information regarding electron servers in particular.

So he's basically compared different electron servers and their performance against big wallets. Now, I don't mean big wallets by large holdings. I mean big wallets by, when you do like Whirlpool transactions or when you have large volumes of transactions within one X-pop or one wallet, you start to query the server a little bit harder

than if you had just like ten transactions on that wallet. So with this, he's compared how an electron Rust server performs, which is by and large, what most node implementations are using these days.

Umbrell uses it, Raspberry Blitz uses it, my node uses it, I think Umbrell probably uses it as well. They're all on the electron Rust server. The good thing is with the electron Rust server is that it only takes up 30 gigabytes of space.

That is a very, very small amount of overhead for this space. But when you query a large Whirlpool wallet with it, it is downloading upwards of three and a half gigabytes from your server to your computer that you're querying.

That is a lot of data traversing through the network. And so as a result, it takes a significant amount of time to query these large balances or these large wallets. So sorry. And so what's happened is Craig's gone out on a bit of an endeavor to see, okay, what other electron servers are there?

Electrum X, on the other hand, is a significantly more performant server, but it takes up a little bit more gigabytes. I think it's somewhere in the orders of 70 gigabytes that it takes up.

But when you query it, it's even, it's a lot faster. And so it's able to pull your balances down very, very quickly and get the status of your wallet up to date very, very quickly. And then we've just, he's just done some more testing on this fulcrum server.

Now the drawback is that, you know, this is gonna take up 100 gigabytes of space. It takes a fairly long time to do the initial sync as well. For me, that was in, I think, I did that in 12 hours, I wanna say, for the initial sync.

An Electrum X server takes one and a half days for an initial sync. But the fulcrum server, which is the 100 gigabyte one, this thing is the best. You get your whirlpool balance in like milliseconds.

It is very, very performant. And so Craig has sort of recommended in his little piece here that, you know, if you have the ability to, and you've got these large whirlpool mixes that are only gonna continue mixing well into the future, then as a result, you may wish to consider, instead of the Electrum X server,

you may wish to consider a fulcrum or an Electrum X server. So I released a video on the Ministry of Notes YouTube channel showing users how to install an Electrum X server. I will be doing another Ubuntu 22.04 series.

That will include the fulcrum server. And yes, I'll be probably releasing all that information in a few months time when that all gets released and is up to date. At the moment though, it doesn't seem to be able to connect with Dojo, however, they have fixed that, sorry, Electrum X and fulcrum don't seem to connect with Dojo,

but they have fixed it. And in the next release, 1.14, we should see that being able to be done. So that would bring everything into a full circle and my life will complete. - So a couple of questions from me that people listening might have, but you mentioned the 12-hour sync.

I presume me knowing you as I do, so that's not on a Raspberry Pi. - No, it's not, mate. Yeah, so, yeah, most people, well, fortunately or unfortunately running a Raspberry Pi, that's gonna take a long, long time to sync on a, well, I would say it does take longer than an Electrum Rust server.

It will take, yeah, maybe a week or so to sync on a Raspberry Pi. So, yeah, the length of time will increase significantly, but the performance going forward will be a lot better than an Electrum Rust server.

- And just to go right back to the beginning, so if somebody's running, say, an umbrella with an Electrum Rust server, as you say, and they've got a fairly deep Wilpool wallet, what were they actually seeing within Sparrow when they were using Sparrow wallets to sort of prompt and kick all of this sort of initiative off?

Was it just that they weren't, was it missing balances or? - It would just time out. It wouldn't actually refresh the wallet as far as I aware. So, it would take, no, so what would happen is it would time out.

So, I think Max tried to do it. His wallet just could not even load. He has a lot of transactions. So, he's wallet couldn't load at all. And others are just taking upwards of 30 seconds to load to a minute to get those balances.

And each time something happens, like they open up their wallet, they're waiting in that vicinity, and it's just not a good user experience. And so, people aren't used to waiting 30 seconds to open up a wallet, and they just sort of crash out of it anyway, thinking that, well, what's happened?

It's not loading. So, that's what was, I think, being faced in this barrel wallet channels. - Interesting. I think, I've just had a quick scan through the end of his document, and there's some, he's got like a TLDR or summary at the bottom, and it says that, upon initial load, fulcrum is 22 times faster than Electrum X,

and 300 times faster than Electrum's Rust server, 300 times faster. And then upon a wallet with refresh, as you've just said, fulcrum is eight times faster than Electrum X, and 1.5 times faster than Electrum's, which doesn't sound groundbreaking, but I think what's not documented there is what you've just said is that it might,

it's not only is it just faster, it just won't fail, or it won't give up halfway, like you've just said. So, I, for one, am really excited to test this out, what being the lazy, technically inept person I am, I'm probably just gonna wait until, hopefully, Ronie Dojo implements it so that I can report back from my personal findings,

but yeah, I just wanted to thank you for the summary, and also thank you for the video as well. If I was a better man, I could have said it would be, you need to be first out of the gate to that one, so yeah, thank you, I'll be off of everyone listening.

You're welcome. - So, when you're saying this is a hundred gigabyte, do you mean that you have to store that on your node, like it's gonna be more bloaty, sorry, on your node, on your SD, are you gonna have to store, have more data on there than you would with these other ones?

- That's correct, yeah, so at the moment, we've got an on-chain footprint of about 450 gigabytes, and then on top of that, you've got an Electrum server, so depending on which Electrum server will use up your disk space.

So usually, typically, you've got a one terabyte SSD, most people are running those, that's the standard these days, and so of that 450, we'd now be looking at 550 for a Fulcrum server, whereas an Electrum Rust server would only be at that 480 or 490 range.

- Okay, okay, so the drawbacks are that you have to have more storage, but most people, like you say, have one terabyte, so that isn't really an issue, and that it takes longer to download in the first place, and did you say it was 12 hours for you to download?

- Yeah, so it's not a download process, what happens is it's a synchronization process, so what happens is there's a database that is being built, so using the 450 gigabytes of data that Bitcoin Core has, it's, think of it like a summary, or a database, and that database literally is just growing and growing

and growing as you synchronize up to the chain tip, and by the end of it, you end up with this huge database of 100 gigabytes, and so that's what you are, and to create that takes, well, for me, it took 12 hours, and that was on a one of my no box machines that I usually run, it's a Dell OptiPlex i5 processor,

eight gigs of RAM, and a one terabyte SSD, so that was 12 hours or so, which is pretty good, but on a Raspberry Pi, obviously that's going to take a fair bit longer. - Okay, and say you're running something on a Raspberry Pi, and you're using Electrum X or Electrum Rust currently, if you're then to either, or however you'd word it,

upgrade or change to this fulcrum thing, then does that mean that your node would actually be down and unusable for that time, or can you run one while the other one's synchronizing or whatever you'd call it?

- So it depends on how these node packages are going to implement this. They might, they will probably take it down because they wanna make sure that the set import is running, you can't run two services on the same port, so I think the way that they will do it is they'll, you'll hit the upgrade button,

that will then shut down your Electrum server, or your existing Rust server, that will also delete the 30 gigabytes, and then it'll start to re-sync all over again, similar to how I think that happened with the Electrum Rust server, when they changed their structure from 70 gigabytes

to 30 gigabytes, that needed a whole new, I guess, refresh. And so in that upgrade process, they've probably taken everything down and deleted it, and then on top of that, they've started the sync, and then, yeah, it'll be down during that time, yeah.

- Just on the storage piece, you kinda just summarized it there a little bit. I don't think, you know, the extra storage that fulcrum takes compared to an Electrum server isn't actually that much of an issue because, as you just said, Katan, that previously, it's only recently that Electrum Rust server,

which is the common one everybody's running, was sort of 70, 80 gigabytes, which meant that that plus the Bitcoin blockchain, most people already had to run more than a 500 gig hard drive anyway.

So 99% of the people that are gonna see the benefit from this will already have a one terabyte hard drive anyway, so they've got more than enough space to accommodate this, which for me far outweighs the performance improvements that they're gonna see, particularly if they've got deep coin join wallets that via Samurai or Sparrow.

- One question I had for fulcrum was what's the, like developer base look like and like the open source community position around that? 'Cause I heard mention that it's been used in quite a few other coins and protocols and stuff.

And yeah, is it, like, are there a lot of people working on that? Like what's the development there look like, do you know? - Now, I think it's similar to Sparrow in that, there's like a lead developer and he has been around for a while and he supports BCH, but we've been told that he is somewhat coin agnostic.

So this thing supports Bitcoin and Bitcoin cash. But yeah, that's got like, whether that continues into the future, we don't know, because there has been some history in the past where the Electrum X developer just decided he'd go down the BSV route and stop supporting Bitcoin.

So that's why Electrum wallet had to fork Electrum X to support Bitcoin again. And so they maintain the Electrum X server. Whether that is happening, I think Craig's more in the, in the detail of that than whether, you know, but the reading that Craig got and from what I'm hearing is that he seems relatively coin agnostic

and will happily be supporting Bitcoin. But yeah, that's not to say that things can change by tomorrow. I don't think so, but we don't know. - I actually think that the fact that it's been built around or initially built around, let's call them blow to your blockchains is probably a bodes well

for as a sort of stress test, because I'm, you know, again, not super, super technical, but I'm sure that if it can cope with Bitcoin Cash or BSVs blockchains, which I believe are significantly larger than Bitcoins, then the smaller chain with a consequently smaller database produced from that is gonna be a walk in a park.

- Yeah, that makes sense. - Anybody got anything else to cover off? - Maybe just one quick note. At the end, HRF has announced a whole bunch of new grants for devs. It's really cool to see.

I think their development fund was launched in 2020 and they've put out quite a few grants over the last year and a half. Yeah, and this is now 4.25 Bitcoin going out to 10 different people.

There are quite a few developers, but also human rights activists around the world. That's really amazing to see. - Yeah, absolutely cosign that as well. I was also good just quickly just to see Mr. Dorsey putting his money where his mouth is and co-funding the Bitcoin developer lawsuit defense fund.

I'm sure that's not the proper name for it, but it's essentially what it is. So they kind of, the way I understand it is they put a part of money aside, essentially, to that Bitcoin core devs can draw upon if complete lunatics from Australia.

And I'm not talking about Catan, take them to court. So yeah, nice to see. And it's interesting to watch his journey as he's quite clearly falling very, very deep down the rabbit hole. Seems to be coming out of the woodwork a lot more since he's left Twitter.

- Yes, I have noticed him being a lot more vocal. - Yeah, it's nice to see. I guess he was tired on what he could do and what he could say. I guess this is probably a trend that will continue.

What else have we got? We've got anything else on the list or anything we can chat about? - I was, I was, give us a compass mining update, guys. How you getting on? Hashing away? - Offline, offline.

Been offline for the last six days. - What happened with any explanation? - Fuck knows, fuck knows. No, to be fair, I haven't even bothered trying 'cause I know that the response would be shit and I've been so busy, I've just gone, fuck, fuck this.

I've got too much shit going on. But maybe after this, I'll ping them an email and find out, but yeah, offline. To be fair, it literally happened the day that I released or the day after, sorry, that I released the episode with Lily and basically said, yeah, she's leaving Compass in so many ways said, you know,

she's leaving 'cause they're fucking shit. And then I went offline. So I don't know whether maybe they listened, wit, maybe you've been listening and hearing me tell you to go fuck yourself.

I don't know, but yeah, I mean, I can only reiterate, go fuck yourself and don't buy from couples. - It's microphones muted, but I can, I can hear Catan, the self-host king muttering, not your mind and not your hash or something to that effect.

- I know. - Yes. - I'm not your hash. - Yeah. - But look, I have been hearing these stories just on end mate. Like the number of people who have come out to me and said mate, Compass is gonna be dead within six months.

- They will be. - I like, fuck me mate, like it is bad. I don't know what's going on over there. But yeah, I do what I can to push a better result, but it's just, it's not gonna happen. I don't know, I have no idea.

- It's not, I mean, the thing is what, that you're down for the last week, I mean that's brutal, I've no idea what's going on there. I mean, I'm lucky in that regard, they've been pretty stable, they've been down a few times to just like an hour here, an hour there over the last two months.

But one thing I have been thinking about, especially with what you just said that there might be a lot of people saying they'll be dead in six months. At the moment we've still got the option to have them said to us, the miners, 'cause they are legally at least on paper hours.

So we could have them sent to us if they actually do go down, then pretty fucked and it'll be pretty difficult to get those machines out of there. So I was thinking about doing that, the problem is I'm in here with close to 40 cents per kilowatt hour here in Germany, yeah, you can actually forget it, plugging them in here.

- Yeah, and sending them back from the US presumably, there's gonna be a load of taxes and charges and bullshit and shipping and all that sort of stuff on top. So it's not a decision that should be taken lightly and the only reason, like Catan's right, you know, not your home, not your hash.

And I knew this, like I knew it when I ordered them, but I was just, you know, basically I was tempted by the energy prices. I was like, I really wanna do some mining. I never have a stable place to be, I'm still not like in a home that I'm gonna be in long-term, like the power costs are expensive.

This would just be, I know it's not ideal, but you know, let's just give it a go. But yeah, shipping them over here, getting whacked with the taxes and all the rest of it isn't ideal at all, but yeah, you're right.

I mean, it's better to do that probably than lose it completely. 'Cause I assume they probably own money left, right and center. It seems that that's probably the case or they're making promises that they can't deliver on.

So then what happens to the miners? Do they, if they go under, do the debtors take the miners or because they're linked to us, can they not do that? I don't know, I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like the trend will continue and will continue to get fucked.

- Well, yeah, very sad, very sad indeed. And hope it unfolds favorably for you, but I can't say I'm holding a breath on that one unfortunately. - Yeah, I mean, one thing that would sway in the direction of having them sent here is if, and I'm hearing a few rumors that that might happen in the coming months,

that brains comes out with the firmware updates for the S19 or the 19th generation. 'Cause that would make, that would be a game changer. Obviously, we'll have to see if, and when it does actually come out, what the specs will be, but if they are more efficient as they were for the 17th generation and the S9s,

that would be amazing. Don't we see? - Yeah, 'cause that would offset the cost of the energy effectively, if you could flash it and you get a big enough increase in efficiency, then it could be worth it.

That's a really good point. - I mean, partially. (laughing) - I mean, partially short, yeah, but then you also, you also have this massive tail risk with Compass, which is like, okay, it's cheaper today, but is it cheaper overall?

And the answer's probably no. So yeah, it does seem like that would probably make sense. We just have to find a way, whether shipping, or you find someone else in the US that can host. I mean, that would be logical to me, like if we could find people in the US that are trusted that they can negotiate a rate

at four, five cents a kilowatt hour and we go look, we'll pay you 10, just fucking look after the miner. We would probably still be better off with that because of the shipping and import and fees and all that sort of stuff.

And also having to deal with the noise and the heat and everything else. So yeah, it's, I don't know. It's really fucking irritating. And it's pissing me off because there are so many people that are still working with them.

Like, I can barely listen to a podcast anymore because I go on and they're sponsoring everyone. And I'm just like, although Matt and Marty dropped them and I was really happy to see that.

But like, everyone's fucking sponsored by them and chilling it to people who are coming into the space. And I'm just like, I don't know. It doesn't sit right with me. - Yeah. Have a look, if you are going to move your miners, have a look at blockware solutions, not talking for personal experience.

But I know a couple of people who've had miners hosted with them for a couple of years and have had good experience. So if there are people listening that are in a similar situation to you, it might be one to look into.

But as always, big disclaimer, do your own research but I've heard good things about them and they've been, they're fairly well established. - Okay, nice. - Right, that's our monthly compass slag off.

Fuck you, what gives anything else? - No, good for me, thanks guys, so enjoy that one. - Cheers, all fine. - Cheers. - Cool, well, thanks, Katam, for filling us in on all that stuff and joining us.

- That was awesome. - No worries, it was my pleasure. - Can I just, before we sign out, ask one question, which I'll forget otherwise. With a Linux laptop, you know, like the beginning bit when you go into command line, it will say at the far left-hand side, it will say your name or whatever you've named your laptop,

followed by a load of dollar signs and whatever else. How do I change that? So that if I'm sending logs, it doesn't dox me because I stupidly named the laptop something I shouldn't. - So in the, are you on PopOS?

- Yeah. - So there's in the settings there. If you go to settings and down to the about section, you can check the device name, you can change the device name and if you change that, you can change it to whatever your a non name is.

- Yeah, I did that. - I did that. - But it doesn't, no, I did that and I've restarted the computer and then I've gone back to the command line and it's still what it was previously. But when I log in, it's different, it's like the name that I've put on there.

So I tried, because that's what brother Rabbit told me and I was like, okay, cool, we did that and it didn't work. And then I was like, okay, right, this is gonna go have to go have to go have to change.

- Oh, you've changed the username. No, no, so you've gone the username, have you? That you've docked? - No, I don't think so. I think, I don't know, actually. I did what you just said about going into the settings and changing it, I changed.

- Then you're gonna need to use a new user. - Uh, so I can't change that. - Oh, I haven't tried. 'Cause I don't dox myself on my computer. I just- - Fuck sake, no, I didn't dox myself. I didn't dox myself, I used max bit by bit, but because the computer doesn't fucking work and it's got a problem with the mouse,

I've been asked to run a load of commands that should install some package that should fix it, but it obviously hasn't. And then they've said Starbook, oh, send me the logs. And I'm like, okay, I can send you the logs, the issue is that gives you my max bit by bit name, but then you know me as my real dox name, or they do,

because I had to pay with fear. Which means they'll go, right, this bloke who's called max bit by bit is actually this guy, possibly. I know like it's a bit tinful, hatty, but like I'm doxing myself where I wouldn't with anyone else because no one else would have my dox, but they do.

And so it's just a very specific look, go on. - So what I would do is copy it, paste it into, whatever the logs are, paste it into somewhere and then control H, which is the find and replace.

And then go max bit by bit, and then just put max and replace it with max. - Or Dave? - Well, you're out, just change your password away from password one, two, three as well. (laughing) - Oh really?

- Oh shit. - Can you do it for me? You've got all my passwords. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You wanna just log out then I'll do it in a minute. (laughing) - Are you sure you're getting your compass mining payouts, mate?

- Well, someone is, someone is, I can't log in, I don't have my login details, I've been relying on Q and A. But I trust you, mate, I'm sure you're shorting out. - You're safe with me, don't worry.

(laughing) - All right, cool. Yeah, that's probably a really boring bit of chat for everyone else, but that was very helpful. Thank you, mate, I'll do that and get the laptop working. Thanks everyone, that was really cool, really enjoyed it.

- Cheers guys, speak soon. - Cheers. - Thanks. - See ya. - Adios.