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Thanks for all the support, and thanks for listening. - Hello. - Good morning. - Oh, I think we're good. - In my last words. - I just think to Q&A, the fucking last recording I did, I answered literally everything because it was so bad.

My audio was fucking terrible. I'm trying this new relaxed setup where I'm in an armchair, just lurking. - I feel like we need to meme this. So, if anybody's listening, I want to see a meme of Max in an armchair with a cigar, microphone if I just face it.

(laughing) - No cigars, I'm fucked. I'm so ill again. So, I'm just taking it easy here. I know, no cigar, but I did look nice. - Hell yeah. You're still keeping up with your diet with the carnivore?

- Yeah, except I broke it yesterday 'cause I was so ill, and I had to drive for 15 hours solid, and I literally, I felt like I was hit by a train, and I was like, fuck this, I'm getting some food in me.

I don't care. - I've got visions of Max stopping at every cost of coffee on the motorway, just nicking once I got to sugar. (laughing) - No, I had a McDonald's, which wasn't even very nice.

It was like, fuck it, I just need something. I know, it's pretty bad. I had, I don't know what I said, I had a bounty bar. That was pretty nice. And then I had a Snickers bar. - Okay, so, rewind, rewind, rewind.

Of all of the choices that you had, you went for a bounty. - Oh, bounty's amazing. It's really underestimated. It was a trio as well, so you get like the three little bits as well, so you feel like you get more, do you know what I mean?

You sort of savor it a bit more that way. - Yeah, I like that marketing ploy where they do like a trio or a duo away. You're like, oh yeah, this is to share, literally nobody ever shares them.

- Yeah. (laughing) - Oh boy, but I would have thought like, for like your first time or something, like a passer or pizza or something. I don't know, I must have been able to-- - No, a bounty in the McDonalds.

(laughing) - I didn't have time, I was literally like driving, non fucking stop, and I sort of was the fastest thing I could just throw in my face, but like, it's gonna keep me going. So I was just having McDonalds.

Didn't feel good. Yeah, I'll be back to the carnival as soon as I'm better. Anyway, that's enough about me. What's going on with you guys? Not much for me, same old, same old. I had a really great trip to an undisclosed location with the rest of the foundation team last month, which was awesome to finally get to meet some of the faces

that I've been working alongside for 18 months or even more now to meet up and have a couple of beers was fantastic. So yeah, we did a bit of team building and yeah, really had a nice week out somewhere in Europe, which was awesome and got us all very, very fired up for what's planned in the future, both short term and long term.

We did actually do some work as well, so. (laughs) A whole week as well, that's unreal. Yeah, thoroughly enjoyable. Yeah, I mean, there's a pretty amazing event, like say, from the company, and that's pretty cool for a team building stuff and just skiing with everyone together, 'cause I mean, you're pretty scattered around, aren't you?

I mean, it's all like a global thing. Oh, literally all over, yeah. 100% of the moment, literally all four corners of the globe. There is a heavy concentration in the US, but yeah, we're dotted around everywhere.

We've got people in all sorts of weird time zones trying to organize mass, you know, global calls. It's a nightmare. What about you, Antimus? Any team building weeks away for your business?

(laughs) Yeah, I've been doing tons of team building with myself, man. It's been wonderful. Do you feel like you're closer with yourself now? (laughs) Oh man, it's been wonderful. I'm just such a great guy.

No, it's actually been pretty cool. I mean, we've been putting out now the, getting that production set up with a new manufacturer. So I was quite nice traveling around a bit and getting to meet them personally and seeing all the plants and stuff, where the plates are being made and the lasers and stuff.

The set was pretty cool. Yeah, I saw that little video you shared. That looked awesome. Yeah, and unfortunately, that was only a small thing I could share because most of the stuff that was going on around there was not allowed to be shared, but I'll be going there next week again to do a bit more filming and stuff.

So, looking forward to that. Yeah, sounds exciting. What have we got on the list? Well, I update wise, there's not too much actually. That should be a pretty short list. One thing to get out of the way at the beginning was join market V0.9.9.

They've got a new release out. They're not like major changes, but they updated like a few directory nodes and stuff for connection stuff, and they also had a bug in there that you couldn't send transactions under 27,000 sats.

So, they removed that just for anyone who bumped into that issue. And one thing to watch out with this release, depending on what your previous version was, there are different ways of updating.

So, if you're pre-0.7, there's a different method of updating than if you're afterward. So, they've got instructions out for both. So, just make sure to check that if you're updating. And then we had a big release from Sparrow, the 1.7.2.

And that was definitely cool, they've found out. Oh, fucking time. Slacking Craig. He isn't he. Lazy. It's probably 'cause he's been slammed with support tickets from Ordinal's users, which I'm sure will come on too later, but yeah, that seems to have gone mental lately, but yeah, we'll cover that later.

Sorry to jump in, but to the release. Yeah, one thing, Taproot, now with the new Bitcoin Core release from last autumn, we've now implemented Taproot and also Bip329, which I think we briefly touched on last time as well.

It's just now like a new standard for importing exporting labels. And obviously, this only really makes sense if a lot of different wallets implement this, but you gotta start somewhere. So that's definitely nice.

Yeah, the thing that stood out for me with this release was that he's added something called Life Hash, which is kind of, the TLDR is that it's kind of a visual representation of a wallet's master fingerprint.

So why might that be useful? So within any Bitcoin wallet, any good Bitcoin wallet, that allows you to use a passphrase. So you have your 12 or 24 seed words, and then you can apply an optional passphrase on top of that as they're like an extra layer of security that essentially gives you a brand new wallet.

When you apply any passphrase, doesn't matter what it is, whether it's one character or 100 characters, the master fingerprint changes and you get a brand new wallet. These master fingerprints are just like a short identifier, pretty much gobbledygook to humans.

I think it's like eight characters. Fairly difficult to remember. Most people just write them down, but he's also implemented this library on top of that that kind of interprets this master fingerprint and puts it into like a visual icon type thing that is unique to every single different master fingerprints.

So the idea behind this being that it's quite easy to enter the wrong passphrase. And when I say the wrong passphrase, technically there are no wrong passphrases. Let's rephrase the word wrong, and let's say enter the incorrect passphrase, not the one that you intended.

The idea being here that if you do that, then you'll have a visual indicator that if you're out by one character on your passphrase, this little picture or icon, wherever you want to call it, will be completely different to the one you expect to see.

So it's just a very quick indicate as a sort of red flag to say, you know, hey, if you don't recognize this image, you might want to retry typing in your passphrase. It's something that, you know, for as long as passphrases have been around, the people have been footgunning themselves by typing one in too fast when setting up,

send a load of funds in, and then they go and enter the actually intended passphrase and they're met with an empty wallet in a lot of panic. So this is just an extra tool that can help sort of mitigate that in a visual way, such that you don't have to kind of remember a string of eight random letters and numbers.

You have just a visual, indicates that that's much more easy for us stupid humans to kind of remember. - Yeah, this pretty cool is from the blockchain commons, like a standard brought up from them.

I mean, generally the blockchain commons have been putting out quite a few cool content stuff over the last year or so. And I mean, this implementation is definitely cool. I mean, I'd still recommend everyone right down the fingerprint anyway that can definitely not.

I mean, especially if you want to like import this into other wallets or something, you probably won't have the life hash visual confirmation there, but it's great just that you don't have to check.

And obviously in this, in the fingerprint, there are characters that can look similar. So you might have written it down a bit, like if it's an O or a zero or a D or something, that can all look similar if you've written it down by hand.

So here is definitely another layer of confirmation there. And one last thing to highlight from my side in this update was also NFC support for like tap signer or there are bulk cards or something like that you can use.

But obviously because it's a desktop wallet, you'll need like an NSD adapter for this. But if you've got this or if you're using those products, then you can get these pretty cheap and just plug them in via USB or something.

Next on the list was Zeus V 0.7.2. That came out last month. They implemented a point of sale for square terminals. I haven't seen exactly how this works in practice, but as I presume, and obviously square has these point of sale kind of terminals in shops that you can set up.

And here, I guess you can connect Zeus to that and use it for showing like payment links and so on invoices for people to pay in store. Yeah, that's a pretty nice feature I haven't seen from other wallets yet.

If you've got any additional information on that. Yeah, the quick scan through their docs this morning, which you can find at docs.zeusllend.app where it covers off the basic functionality, which you know, as you say, it allows for the Zeus app to plug in an API from the square terminal so that they can talk to one another.

So that if you've got a square terminal, presumably this allows you to be able to receive lightning or on chain. There must be some auto conversion there at you know, current market rate.

But yeah, essentially you can, once these two pieces of hardware are hooked up, you know, up your phone and the square terminal, presumably you'll hit a button on the square terminal. Zeus will display a lightning invoice to be paid.

User that wants to pay with lightning or on chain scans that sense of payment. And then payment goes over the lightning or main chain Bitcoin network. Once Zeus recognises that it'll update the square terminal, show us paid, you know, merchant and customer are happy.

And yeah, it's good to see. And hopefully it gets widely adopted. I've not tried it personally 'cause I don't have any square terminals lying around unfortunately. - Yeah, probably also just for like bookkeeping and stuff.

This is great. And then you don't have like two different sets of data on your sales and stuff. It's what you can all be put into one database, yeah. And also here NFC support for receiving payments.

So if people are using these NFC cards for their lightning payments, you can now use this with Zeus as well to receive. And also one mention they've also brought our pre-release for V0.7.3.

So that should be coming pretty soon, the full release. Here they'll also have QR code images that you can import from your gallery on your phone. So if some, if you're not physically together with someone you want to receive from or pay to, they can just send you an image or screenshot of the QR code and you can import that.

And they'll also have biometric login. So it's just two points. - Boomer spec, I like that QR code import from gallery. I can just imagine some boomers taking a photo of a QR code rather than copying paste in an address and sending it.

So yeah, I can see the use case there, I like that. It's nice. - Yeah, then we've got Breeze. They released SDK like software development kit for devs who are building different apps and want to implement lightning or Bitcoin payments.

And obviously don't wanna like build everything from scratch. So they can implement this, it's pretty straightforward. And then Breeze will act as like the LSP, like the lightning service provider.

And they've also partnered with Greenlight, which is a service from Blockstream. And they're gonna provide the node for this in the specs. I saw that it is possible also to connect other nodes or like existing nodes, your own node, whatever, but I'm not quite sure.

The moment they said the only provider that they offer is Greenlight. So I'm not 100% sure if it's already open to connect with anything else. But I think that's the goal. So this is quite nice.

- Yeah, three main things I love about this release. It's number one. You know, this is a methodology for Breeze to continue to get some revenue. If you use this in the default setup, then Breeze will be acting as the LSP lightning service provider and presumably taking fees on swaps and routing fees and whatnot.

So that's a big positive. Number two, they've open sourced it. So that, you know, I guess the whole point of an SDK is that other developers can use it. So this is open source of anybody that like you said, Antimas that wants to implement this into their apps, whether they're interested in lightning or not can do so in a pretty easy way.

And the third way is, and the third thing that I like, sorry, is that although Breeze is the default LSP, if you are another Bitcoin business that wants to leverage this and, you know, are more, you know, philosophically aligned with Bitcoin and lightning and you want to monetize this, then you can and you can bypass the Breeze LSP

and, you know, insert the company name here, can be the LSP and can take the advantages that are bought from being an LSP. So you can do routing for your customers. You can make some fees on that, same with swaps, et cetera.

So it's monetization for anybody that wants to go that extra mile and sort of not just use just a simple SDK with some API call just to allow your customers to use lightning. And you can also be the LSP to add some longevity to your business and get some income.

And I know I said three things, but the fourth thing that I like is that they're using green light. I think we've covered green light before, but this is an implementation from block stream for the lightning network that separates the node part from the private key part of lightning so that you can have the important key bit on your phone

such that it remains non-custodial, but the heavy lifting is done by whoever's operating the green light node if you like. So in this instance, that would be Breeze or block stream depending on how it's implemented.

And so, you know, this is very much aligned to a mobile first world that we live in where, you know, we want to be self-solving. We don't want the backend to be able to steal our lightning funds, but we also don't wanna have to wait forever in a day because we're either running a lightning node

on our phone, which doesn't work all that well. Or, you know, we have to go through the rig and roll of setting up a full node at home and then connecting back to that, which as much as I would love for everybody to do, we're just not in that place.

I don't know, I don't know whether we ever will be for the foreseeable. So this makes some approachable trade-offs that seem on the surface of it, a good route to be heading down. The thing with green like that, and that this might be my naivety that's showing and that I haven't looked into it deep enough

is that although we're calling this non-custodial because, you know, green light, whoever's operating that backend under this model can't spend any of your funds 'cause they don't have the private keys.

They can denial of service to users. So, you know, if I can't talk to my default lightning node backend because they're offline through, you know, choice or not, or whether they've been hacked themselves or something, then, you know, I'm effectively locked out of my lightning funds.

And I'm sure they've got checks and balances to be able to recover eventually, but obviously that the whole point of kind of the lightning network is to be able to spend quickly, you know, small micro-payments that appear to appear.

So maybe I need to do a bit more digging. I'm not sure, Antimus, if you, you know, if they've got any mitigations against that denial of service attack vector. No, I don't, but even if they were to like provide, like kind of backup or something that you could just download, we all know about the difficulties of like kind of

migrating from one lightning node to another and so on. So I don't know if that would even be possible if they've got like their backend open source or something that you could even set it up yourself to import that backup, no idea.

And just implementing it or just like recovering it on a different lightning implementation, I don't know if that will work. So definitely sign to look out for, yeah. - Yeah, definitely. Roy from Breeze did a great blog post on about this release that talks about some of the different use cases

and how this can be used both from a customer perspective and both from a, and also from a developer perspective that might want to leverage this SDK. And the fifth thing that's just popped into my head that I like about it is that although they're using, because they're leveraging green light,

which is from Blockstream who maintain core lightning, which is a lightning implementation, they are looking to add support for other lightning implementations as well. So if you've already got a Bitcoin wallet that is talking to LND or Eclaire or LDK or something, one of the other implementations, they are planning on updating this

so that you're not kind of locked into the core lightning ecosystem as well. - Ooh, that's nice. Okay. Yeah, I mean, definitely this whole release is really interesting, especially the way that they've gone with open sourcing and letting others jump in if they wish to.

That's like the ethos that we'd love to see. One last software update or release maybe is some of whom mentioned this last month as well. The Keeper, I don't know, it's just Keeper, the full name Bitcoin Keeper.

- Bitcoin Keeper, yeah, they pulled me up on that recently. - Okay, all right. And they've now released their full, the 1.0. So this is now on mainnet. I think they haven't like brought out any of the big features.

I mean, this is, I think the same features that they have before, but generally they'll set up is very similar to like, what you get with Sparrow, Spectre and Unchuck, but this is for mobile, for Android as well as iOS, very slick design.

One thing to watch out for, obviously it's very new and this is the first big release, first major release. So definitely proceed with caution. And this time they are not open source yet.

They plan to do this at some point. It is on their roadmap, but I don't know exactly when that will happen. So definitely trade with caution. - Yeah, I like the way that these guys are heading.

We've been working fairly closely with them at Foundation for the past couple of months. They've got really wide compatibility with pretty much any of the good hardware while it's on the scene.

Blockchain Jade, Ledger, Trezor, Foundation, Passport, Cold Card, Seed Signer. They're all in there and Keeper talks to them all. So very wide compatibility. They do a couple of unique things.

Number one is that they'll automatically give you the option to generate a hot wallet. Literally in just a single tap. You can go and export the seed words as well if you want to and back those up separately.

But they also leverage BIP-85 to generate child seeds or additional wallets from that main master seed. So again, we've talked about BIP-85 quite a lot on this podcast. And the benefit there is that you only need the one seed back up to be able to recover all of your subsequent child wallets or sub wallets if you like.

So at a single tap within the app, you can just add a new wallet and that'll be sort of child seed. Number one, you can do presumably an unlimited number of these as well. So the first kind of mobile wallet that I've seen with this sort of implementation, which is good to see.

And the other cool sort of feature that they've added is they're quite strict on what you can do with multi-sig. They make it very simple to set up multi-sig wallets that they have like three plans.

The first one's called PLEB, which is kind of the basic BIP-85 single-sig wallets and also a single-sig got hardware wallet. Or you can upgrade to the HODLA plan, which allows you to add two more hardware wallets so that you can do a two or three multi-sig.

Or you can upgrade to the diamond hands plan, which is all of the features that I've just mentioned, plus an additional two hardware wallets so that you can then create a three or five multi-sig wallet.

The app also makes mention about inheritance support and dedicated email support. So whilst everything that I've just mentioned right now is free, I'm guessing that in the future once they are more established, that they're gonna start charging for some of these features.

So yeah, there's like upgrade buttons within and it does make mention about subscriptions within the Play Store or the App Store. I know for a fact that that's not implemented and everything that I've just mentioned is currently free, but I've no idea on costs and when there's gonna be a fee introduced in the future.

But for the time being, yeah, it's free. And like Antima said, a very new app will show you a lot of promise and they've got a pretty good team behind them. One other thing was the Stack wallet, the 1.5.38.

I think we also mentioned this one either last month or the month before. This is a wallet that I personally haven't used yet, so I can't say much to the usability. But it's like a multi-coin wallet.

They support, I think, up to five different coins. But one thing where they got like a bit of like positive feedback from, like I call Bitcoiners, was now implementing payments. So that's something that we've been crying for for years now for other wallets to implement this.

I obviously, next to Samurai, who implemented this first. Sparrow also supports payments. And now, I think, say, maybe the third. I don't know if I'm missing anyone. There's one on one else who does this.

No, you're right. Well, the third one that's currently actively maintained at least anyway. So yeah, I like the really like the UI of Stack wallet. Actually, I've never used it for any funds.

I just had a poke around when I heard that they've added paydems. They're a multi-coin. I think there's like 10 coins that are supported in there. The UI looks quite analogous to Blue Wallet with the kind of cards across the top and the transactions and details underneath that.

So it does feel quite familiar for anybody that's used Blue Wallet. Aside from the payment bit, the big sort of news headline here, I guess, is that this is the first and only implementation of paydems on iOS.

So we've now got all three bases covered for paydems. So no matter how you access Bitcoin, be that from an iPhone, an Android phone, or just on your computer, you now have access to paydems wherever you are.

So that's the really big kind of kicker here for me is that we've covered all the bases now and we just need to continue to chill it and raise that adoption. But more ways to access paydems is fantastic.

So really good to see. And I've got absolutely no idea who's behind Stack wallet or how long they've been around or anything like that. They seem to have come out of nowhere. But from the initial time that I've had to briefly play with the wallet, it seems pretty well built out actually.

Nice to have it as an option on iOS. You were sort of teasing last month that we might have the option to use Whirlpool on iOS potentially soon as well. So it feels like these are pretty big steps.

Half the world fucking uses one. Yeah, exactly. We're slowly starting to win. And I don't doubt that getting Whirlpool into iOS is going to be quite a big challenge. I'm sure if it was easy that somebody would have done it already.

So we're taking steps in the right direction. And all of these little releases and feature additions in terms of privacy features are a win in my book. And it's good to see that there's people independent of just Samurai who kicked all of this thing off and now realizing the benefits from it and just continuing to implement.

It seems like a lot of it just comes down to pressure. I want to spoke to Medi from Lincoinpool. And obviously they've got paydems integrated into their mining pool for payouts. And I said to him, like, was it really, really difficult to implement this?

Because we've been pushing constantly and no one wants to do it. He was like, no, not really. So I guess it's just priorities, but it would be nice. Even if you take all the privacy stuff out of it, just the ease of use for mining pools, not having to log in and constantly change every payout and you address and do things manually.

It's a big win. Yeah, you mentioned the term login there as well. I have a question that obviously you're probably best positioned to answer from doing the mining pod with John is do Lincoinpool allow you?

Have they implemented auth 47 yet so that you can kind of sign in with your payment as well, rather than having to use an email and whatnot? I have no idea, to be honest. I can find out though.

I'll find out and I'll mention it on the next pod. I won't. I'll forget. And John will listen to this and he'll remember and we'll talk about it. I'd be pretty slick if you could do that like an all-encompassing payment experience.

That'd be awesome. I'm sure if it's possible he'll do it from the conversations I've had with him on and offline. That guy just, you know, if he thinks something's cool, he'll just get it done.

Anything that someone in that community likes, they're ready to, if enough people say, yeah, this would be really cool feature. They're like, yeah, it would. Right, let's do it. So if it's possible, I'm sure they will.

If you're listening, Medi, get to it. Yeah, come on, mate. Yeah, one bit housekeeper from the foundation side. We recently released batch two firmware version 2.0.5, which introduced support for Keeper, Bitcoin Keeper wallet that we've just been discussing.

Loads of different minor bug fixes. The big one here was, we've improved the QR code scanning speed and compatibility. So we were, we had some of our more hardcore customers that used their quite large multi-seat corems and had quite a lot of UTXOs, which naturally create larger and larger transactions

in terms of data, which doesn't lend itself as well to being passed back into by QR codes. And it was taking longer for them to scan. So we've improved the QR codes scanning library drastically to improve that performance.

And yeah, it's pretty slick experience now. So anybody that's got a passport that uses multi-sake, this would be a big quality of life improvement for you when you're signing transactions or importing multi-sake configurations, things like that.

And just to save any confusion, if anybody goes to the doctor, the GitHub and they see 2.0.6, that was just a release yesterday with a hot fix for a minor pin entry visual bug for the psychopaths that like to use letters in their pins. We discovered just after we released O5

that there was a minor bug with the visibility of some of the letters. So O6 has just got that hot fix in it, but everything else is the same as O5. All right, one thing that got quite a bit of attention on Twitter, I think it was last week.

It was definitely an unexpected release from Coinkite. They came out with the cold card Q1, as they call it. Chances are you've probably seen pictures of this floating around on Twitter. It looks kind of like, I mean, obviously they've been going with the like calculator style

exactly for quite a while. Now they've pushed this to a whole different level. It looks like one of those old programmable calculators from back in the day. So it's got a big screen and it's got the whole full, what do you call it?

The QWERTY. QWERTY. That's the one that's looking for keys on there. So you can, obviously, for like typing in stuff like a passphrase or your seed or whatever, you can, that's quite a bit more efficient. It's got a big like 3.2 inch screen and uses AAA batteries,

which is definitely quite nice. We've also got like a dual micro SD port. I'm not quite sure what benefits you get from that. But well, that's it. And one definitely unexpected thing was they have a QR code scanner in it. This was a big topic of big discussion over the last years

with the cold cards, definitely very vocally against QR codes. But apparently they've come around. No idea where that came from. But they've been very clear that they're doing it

right. So they've got a flashlight next to it. I mean, that is actually pretty cool because lighting with QR codes, I mean, especially depending on what your situation is, that can be pretty handy.

And otherwise, you can do pretty much everything else that the MK4 can do. One nice feature, additionally, as well as that you can actually open up the back and cut like some connection, like PCB, on the back, and to disable NFC and USB data connection. So if you don't want to use

that at all, and you're kind of paranoid about that being a security issue, you can physically, irreversibly destroy that connection. So that's definitely a nice touch. One thing to add to the whole thing that they have, although it's not mentioned anywhere in their docs, they have confirmed

on NOSA that they will have support for the seed QR standard. So if you're already using the CQRs, either on paper templates or the steel QRs in steel form from Vulcan, you can, well, you will be able to use this with the Q1 as well. And there that's where the flashlight

definitely is a big benefit. That's pretty cool. Yeah. So it's nice to see that they have been looking and have taken notice of the standards that have come out and are adopting that as well and not just going their own way. Can we talk a little bit about the way that this

QR scanner is set up? Because like you say, it's been said that it's done the right way now. I'm not technical enough to understand this. Is it security theatre? Is there something actually to it? It's obviously a nice feature to have. How is it set up differently and does

it really make any difference? I think the scanner of choice from my understanding will be fairly performant. I think it's like the ones you would see people working Tesco use. Like it's like a pointing click. You won't see the output of the camera on the screen or anything like that. It's

kind of just a point and it'll just scan it sort of thing. So I think they'll probably be quite performant in terms of scanning really dense QR codes. But the whole bit about done right TM, if it's the QR code scanner that everybody thinks it is, then it's kind of like a black box unit

that you can buy on Alibaba. So yeah, I'm a bit confused by some of the marketing that's been used. These are some assumptions that we've made based on the information that is available. But all I would say is just take it with a little bit of a pinch of salt. Yeah, as they explain it here,

they say it's a simple two-wire serial port. So there is less danger of scan data doing more than it seems. I'm not quite sure exactly how like the actual like physical connection between the camera and like the device can actually mitigate against things not happening that you don't want

to happen. I don't know. I mean, if you have more than a two-wire serial port, if that opens up and if anything else, there'll be something to pass on to someone who knows more about that.

Indeed. Yeah, obviously, I've got my biases here. I'm not going to sit here and bash competitors while they're not around. I'll leave that up to the competitors as their MO. All they will say is from what I can gauge. They haven't released any dimensions, but this is going to be a fairly big

device compared to anything else on the market. I think it's going to be roughly, again, again, assumptions don't know for sure. It's going to be like iPad mini size maybe, which is fairly big. I don't think it's going to fit in your pocket. Again, assumptions, caveats,

whatever, but that's the way we've kind of looking at it. I'm kind of worked it out roughly based on the screen size and what we can see from the mock-ups. Yeah, so it'd be something that stays at home, but it seems pretty cool to me. It's nice to have the more optionality. The fact that they've

now got a QR scanner is a good thing, I think. Fair play. Yeah, I think we're through with most of the list. Obviously, there's the elephant in the room with the elephants in our members. Monkeys in the members. Yeah, so obviously, people have been trying to do

transactions over the last month or so, a couple of weeks. I've definitely been having a bit more trouble. I'm having to pay up due to the release of the ordinals protocol that allows jpegs on Bitcoin. So the day has come where we eventually have NFTs on Bitcoin. I mean, obviously,

the NFT word has been trying to have been not used in this instance, but at the end of the day. Yeah, that's basically what it is. Yeah, I think there's been a little bit of confusion nestled in amongst the controversy as well, because there's two words that have been banded

around. There's ordinals and there's inscriptions, which are technically speaking two different things. So ordinals are the most pointless thing I've ever heard of. Yeah, so it's basically an external view on all of the Bitcoin UTXOs, and it gives each SAT a number, essentially. So it's like an

external view of attempting to track SATs from the creation, from the Coinbase transaction across the network, such that if you take this viewpoint, I think they call it ordinal theory, and you agree with the external view that this is putting on Bitcoin, then you can

essentially feel like you're tracking SATs across transactions, individual SATs. And it's done in a specific way of ordering them, such that everybody that likes this ordinal theory can agree upon such that they, according to their ruleset, can know where one SATs gone from this

transaction to that transaction, et cetera. This has no impact on Bitcoin itself. It doesn't affect Bitcoin's fungibility. It's like, I heard an analogy on a different podcast where it's like standing outside the federal mint when they bring all the banknotes out and then pointing each one

and go, right, that's number one, that's number two, that's number three, et cetera. For every single note that comes out, the Fed doesn't care about the number that I've just given to each one of those notes, and most of the rest of the population won't care. But anybody else that shares that

belief system will collectively be able to track note number two as they see it be transacted from merchants, customer, et cetera, et cetera. So that's my understanding of ordinals. The more controversial bit which kind of leverages this ordinal theory is inscriptions. And this is where

the monkey jpegs come in. Some bright spark had figured out that you can store a lot of data in the witness part or the kind of signature part, I guess, of Bitcoin transactions. And you can do so for a discount which was introduced with Segwit. So this has been possible for quite a while. But

when we introduced Segwit, which discounted the sort of signature part of the transaction to make, so what do I use transactions and to give a bit good transaction at the right incentives, you pay less fees for larger for transactions with larger signature sets. Now these monkey jpegs

are being stored within the signature part of the transaction. So they're not kind of bloating the UTXO set or anything like that, which is a good thing from a node runners perspective. But what they are doing is clogging up mentors. So yeah, everybody's got their own opinion of this. I

personally am completely indifferent. I certainly won't be minting any and I certainly won't be buying any and these are valid transactions that are paying fees. So all of this hype around, let's try and filter them out or let's try and stop them. For me, it's complete bullshit and completely

anti cyberpunk and Bitcoin ethos. Whether we like it or not, not everybody's going to be using this Bitcoin blockchain in the same way. And that's okay. As long as it's paying a fee and it's abide by its contentious rules, then it's fine in my book. One thing to clarify, I think if I understood

this correctly, the connection between ordinals and inscriptions is the fact that if you do an inscription, you do this once and then it's permanently inscribed in the blockchain, like every other transaction as well. But you can transfer the ownership basically of one of these inscriptions

by kind of tracking the lineage of a certain SAT that you can then transact between people and then you can say, okay, pay me for this for the ownership of this inscription. And I'll send you this SAT and then you can track that number all the way back to the first person who minted it or

whatever. That's kind of I think the way how this works. So also for future transactions, it's not every time you what you transact with this inscription or you this change change your ownership, you don't actually have to redo the whole transaction. You just then have to pass on

what you have to do a transaction, but not with the entire inscription just passing on that one SAT. Is that correct? Yes, yes. My understanding is you're absolutely correct. So it minimizes the impact of the chain. You've got this large witness or signature data when the inscription is created,

but then thereafter the transfers of air quotes ownership of that inscription is just a traditional transaction is my understanding. So there's no kind of additional bloat. Yeah, I'm definitely with you as well on the like being pretty indifferent about it. I mean, I think it's one of these

things that there was a whole discussion about this. I mean, this is I think before my time, but hearing from other people as well about like when like Satoshi dice or something came out, everyone thought like Bitcoin was doomed because everyone would just be using it for gambling. But

at some point you're priced out about with that and there are better solutions for it. I don't know if this is kind of a passing thing. Obviously, the the inscriptions that have been put in now, they'll stay forever. But I don't know if this will be a real long term issue for Bitcoin.

I'm not too concerned about that in itself. It's just nice to see the chain getting used. Nice to see full blocks, you know, admittedly, that means I've got to pay an actually a couple of cents per bite. But yes, nice to see it getting used. There is, if you take a step back, there is

some really interesting use cases for this, right? Because things like STL files, 3D print files for anything you want could be a cat. It could be a 3D printed gun being stored on an immutable ledger that is has tens of thousands of copies of it all around the globe might have it use cases

in certain parts of the world. If you if you ask me, I think that is a an interesting use case and one that I would imagine might start getting leverage more and more. As long as they're paying fees and miners are getting their stats, then they're using the

chain and it's valid. Like, what's the problem? Because I've heard for a long time people worrying about what's going to happen when block reward goes to a point where it's low enough, miners are then going to not be incentivized. And so that's always been a worry for a lot of people. And then

people are whinging about it and saying, Oh, maybe we need to have like a tailor mission or what is it? Are you worried that we're not going to fill up blocks or are you worried that we are going to fill up blocks? It doesn't really matter what it is. It doesn't matter if you like it or

not, as long as miners are getting their stats. Who the fuck cares? I think one of the kind of pushbacks from the more hardcore that Bitcoin is money and I can definitely see their viewpoint is that these types of transactions kind of block out or crowd out, I guess, pure monetary or dense

transaction. So I'll give you an example. I've just had a scan through mempool.space of two blocks side by side here. The first block is 3.1 megabytes in size, and it's got 911 transactions in it. The block after that is half the size 1.5 meg, and it's got nearly 3000 transactions in it. So having

looked at the details, but that one of the reasons for that could be that there's a lot of descriptions in the first block, taking up a lot more space of filling the block up quickly, meaning that there's less monetary transactions, if you like, or, you know,

don't know how to put it, but you get what I mean. And in the second one, there's less ordinals, which means that we can pack in more financially dense transactions into that, meaning that the hardcore people will be more happy. But yeah, coming back to your point,

if it's paying a fee and it's within the block size limit that was introduced with Seguit, then I think the people that are mad at this should be mad at the people who push for Seguit and not the person that's kind of playing within the rules of the system. There's been one argument as well

brought up of people like being concerned about like legal issues, if people upload some or inscribe things like images that are illegal in certain jurisdictions. I mean, this could be literally anything. Anyone running a node is technically storing and propagating

that information. That was one thing that has now come up. The thing is that that's been true for quite a while, because there you can store information and text, at least in like op returns, and that has been done as well. So that, I mean, obviously it is another step, but

this would, I mean, this is not an issue currently. We'll have to see how the developments are, but that's definitely one other thing to keep your eye on. I mean, I haven't been following all the inscriptions that have been done over the last weeks, so I've no idea

if there is anything that falls into that category yet, but yeah. One funny story that I've seen take place a couple of times over the last couple of weeks, I mentioned earlier that Spyro Wallet, because it supports receiving to taproot addresses, has been the NFT Bitcoin

wallet of choice since these inscriptions have been a thing, and the Telegram group has been absolutely slammed with all of these new users that presumably haven't used Bitcoin before, and have jumped under the ordinal hype cycle, because they want to get their monkey JPEG onto

a properly immutable ledger. So they've been jumping in and asking for support on something that's technically nothing to do with Spyro, really. It's just the fact that they are ahead of the game in terms of being able to receive the taproot addresses that people have started to

choose this, is that what people have been doing is to other wallets that support receiving the taproot, but don't have coin control, and have then inadvertently sent their ordinal onto whoever they sent a random transaction to, because they can't isolate the output that contains the SAT,

that has the inscription assigned to it as ownership, that they've inadvertently just sent that on to the next person, and presumably wasted some SATs. So I found that quite funny, and I guess that's just one of the teaching problems of new technology and being an early adopter.

That is hilarious. Oh man, I've seen a few of the dot-eats as well. I saw one yesterday, someone had written, "I'm really disappointed with Spyro's support team. I've been waiting to have something sorted, and I'd written back to saying it's not a team, it's one man." They're obviously

thinking it's a paid product, and it's for them, and I imagine Craig is probably sick of it already. Yeah, it's as if somebody's kicked the horn, it's Neston, the masses are just descended on the telegram group, it's quite hard to keep up at the moment, but there's probably quite a

few answer to this. How do you make an ordinal? Where do you do it? I've got no idea. Sorry, an inscription. I fell down there. Well, there is like ordinals.com, I think that's the domain they got. They can definitely see all the ordinals that are being inscribed,

or the inscriptions that are being inscribed, that you can see them visually on that site, and they also have a dedicated wallet for this. So I presume that's how you can do this, so probably in this wallet you can somehow import some kind of image. They're then converted to a transaction

that you can then broadcast, but I have not done it myself, and I haven't seen a director tutorial, just seen that they've got a wallet there, so that's just my presumption at the moment.

You know, another interesting and very, very reckless use case has just popped into my head. I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of this. It's like, you could put pretty much any type of data in these inscriptions. Like, you could store like encrypted versions of like multi-sig configurations,

or you know, if you want to be really reckless, like encrypted versions of seeds as part of multi-sig and stuff, you could have that inscribed a little bit of blockchain, which is like, I'm not recommending me do this, by the way. It's certainly not the seed one, but you know, I would probably be

fairly comfortable if I actually use multi-sig, which I don't, to encrypt the multi-sig config and just put that in an inscription, so that you've got an immutable backup that people have got 10 to thousands of copies of around the world that they can't access unless they break the encryption.

Yeah, just a spitball in thought process, but yeah, please don't go and do that. I just thought that it popped into my head. It's just the fact that it's on 10 to thousands of computers everywhere, so it's like, if you want backups, that's like the ultimate backup.

Absolutely, good point. I mean, also like in the 90s, I mean, obviously there wasn't a round at the time, but with the whole like encryption, wars and stuff, just like having something like PGP or some kind of other software could do this as well. I mean, I think the thing is with

propagating things like technical stuff that are updated often, like also with the example, with like 3D printed guns or something like that, I don't know, like they become like outdated pretty soon. So then you've got a bunch of data that's on there that isn't really usable in

10, 15 years or something. So I think like the best use cases are for things that are like kind of, yeah, just stay valid for a long time, but we'll definitely see loads of people working on this and coming up with new ideas of how to use this. So it will definitely be interesting.

And it might bring more people in like, you know, the shit coin is fucking love NFTs, don't they? A friend of mine who actually got me into Bitcoin is a massive shit coiner, and I saw him like, I don't know, a couple of months ago, and he was like, oh, yeah, you need to get NFTs on Bitcoin.

I was like, you probably, I didn't actually know whether we could or not. I was like, you probably could. It's just fucking pointless, isn't it? If he and all these other shit coiners love it so much, and they're coming over, even if it might not be for something we agree with,

if they're coming over and they start using Bitcoin and understanding Bitcoin to some extent, they might just be like, what am I doing with this other chain? This is fucking stupid. And so maybe it is a way to drive adoption, even if it's not something that we think is interesting.

Yeah, I agree. I mean, there's some, I'm just browsing through the ordinals.com, like you can view all the stuff that people have put on there. There's some ridiculous shit on there. Like people are paying like 500 cents to put an animation, not an animation, sorry, a generated

image of some toilet paper. And like, what, like, why would you pay 500 cents to do that? Like, I just, I can't wrap my head around why you would want to do it. Why wouldn't you? Yeah, maybe somebody really, really likes toilet paper.

I can't see any. You sent the link. Yes. So that one I've just sent is the number five. So somebody's inscribed an image of the number five on the Bitcoin blockchain and paid 500 and 500 cents for it. And there's loads of shit like that. I'm just, I just can't wrap my head around like, why do you need an immutable copy of an

image of the number five? It's just beyond me. Good question. If anyone's listening out there, and they did this number five inscription, then yeah, let us know. Why the fuck did you do that?

The good thing about this is it obviously the you can see what the data is inscribed. You know, it could be an image could be a PDF, whatever it is. That's what the ordinals.com website does is it checks this witness data and converts it to the specified type. But you can also look

at the all the transaction details so you can see how much you can copy and paste the transaction ID into my ball dot space and just see how much these deege ends are paying to do this with the cutest shit. One question I had maybe you can answer this is if it was possible since segway,

why do you have to use because they're all using taproot, right? There's some connection that you have to be using taproot. You have to be using it by the ordinals rule set. I think the addition of taproot just made this easier from a code perspective and also marginally cheaper as well.

I think that's the general crux of it. Okay, so do you have any data on like how this is like pushed taproot adoption like how much percent or something we've done because I mean if you like look back at segway or something like I mean it took fucking years to get any significant

portion with transactions. I mean this is probably skyrocketed. Yeah, if the I'm just going to send you a link. Sorry, I got sidetracked off the chat. Maybe you want to put in the show notes Max or maybe not when you see it. Yeah, to answer your question,

Ansamus, if the sparrow telegram groups anything to go by then it certainly accelerated it somewhat not for the use case that was I guess intended but yeah people are using taproot addresses at least.

I guess one way to look at this is that you know there's going to be loads and loads more taproot outputs on the chain now when people are creating these. So there was always this theory that you know coin doing applications or multi-sick applications that were early adopters

of taproot outputs kind of stood out on chain and it was kind of like nobody wants to go first because if you know that whirlpool uses taproot which they don't and then you start seeing you know outputs taproot outputs then you'll kind of know that they're from whirlpool and the same

with multi-sick and whatnot. I guess that the more taproot addresses that are being used would is going to start to increase the and on set a little bit and kind of accelerate the number of taproot addresses that are on chain and outputs that are on chain which I guess is a good thing.

But they're probably pretty distinct right from normal transactions. I mean that's probably pretty obvious which are... Are they a fixed amount? These are the output that's created. I don't know, no. Yeah that's a good point actually maybe it's not there.

But the one thing is I mean obviously with that argument is that if you for a lot of people it's just like going through the hassle of setting up kind of just taproot in itself and if you're doing this kind of you're using ordinals then you might as well just kind of use this for all your

other transactions as well. And so just switching over and doing a first few taproot transactions and seeing that basically nothing's changed from a user's perspective perspective this might just drive people to use it for everything else as well if they're doing it anyway.

Yeah I agree. The important or one of the important things to remember here as well is that by default Bitcoin Core doesn't check every single signature when it does its initial block download. We have kind of checkpoints so I can't remember the proper term now but I think it's

called the sheen valid where there's like the core developers will set like a block height where it's so far buried in the chain that consensus is that thousands of people have already validated the signatures up to this point so core kind of by default ignores all of that sort of stuff so

as time goes on this will kind of be not forgotten about but it won't be validated by everybody that's doing the IBD so the impact isn't quite going to be as big as I think some people are assuming yeah we'll wait and see I mean this is definitely a cause quite a bit of uproar and definitely

turmoil and I mean I think this will carry on for a while yeah we'll see what the long-term implications are but I guess there'll be quite a quite a few changes and new things that will come out of this and maybe maybe something interesting as well who knows I think that the other beautiful

thing that's kind of come out of this as everybody's been wargaming it is that you can't really stop this sort of behavior know there's people talking about bringing out copies of or forks of Bitcoin core that kind of have mentor policies that and somebody's already done this that kind of just

don't relay them which is fairly futile because as long as you've got you know just a small minority of well-connected nodes that will relay them then this shit's still going to be passed around the network and make its way to miners and miners you know financially incentivized to just

take whatever's paying the highest fee so yeah not just quite funny to see all the screeching and whatnot and people trying to think of ways that they can work around or stop this quote unquote what they're calling spam and there being no viable viable way to do it so yeah free market playing out

is there anything cool do you think that we just haven't really thought about that will come from this i remember when i was first getting introduced to bitcoin and there was like some video going around i think tone vase was in it and a few others and they were talking about like bitcoin

used for property rights in third world countries and being able to have data on chain that would prove in some way that someone has ownership of let's say a property or a business or something like that does this potentially open a door for something like that because if it did coming

from property world doing a transaction trying to get something sold you have to pay solicitors thousands of pounds to waste your time for four or five months doing pointless shit you have to chase them every fucking day and effectively it's just one person saying i want this and the other

person saying i want to sell this and you're just transferring ownership across that's effectively all you're doing and money obviously do you think that potentially because that would be a large transaction you know someone's selling a property or a business it's like well you don't mind spending

50 quid on that transaction because otherwise i'm going to spend thousands of pounds and spend honesty like four months five months chasing these fucking retards around and you almost lose the sale quite often because they're so shit at their jobs is there a way or is that fantasy land

there's definitely a way uh i think it's quite analogous to the ordinal theory that i gave a very quick download of earlier is that it's you could look at it as kind of like a belief system so you could have let's say you got the deeds to the your car on the blockchain you believe that

whoever owns that sap has the car details on it owns the car but if i turn up to your house with a baseball bat and take your car then i'm the owner of your car i don't give a shit what it says on a blockchain with a car that makes sense but i'm talking about a property or a business so for

example there's proof on chain that you have sent me whatever a few hundred grand for a house we've signed and i've passed over a key or however it's done i'm not you know i'm just completely waking us up but if there was a way to prove that payment has been made and transfer of ownership

has been made you can turn up all you want with your baseball bat i'll just say you're not coming in you come and here's the proof yeah so you can stand out there in the right i think it's a nice thought but like again back to reality most properties have mortgages which are provided by

banks who are not going to give a shit about this sort of stuff so there's ways in which it could work but like you know trying to keep my feet on the ground here that most people have a mortgage that's provided by a bank so if the bank essentially owns your house then i don't know yeah no i agree

i don't know we've kind of also had like this discussion for years i mean nft's and and all this kind of stuff has been around for a while and they've been all these kind of other attempts to somehow prove ownership over physical things in our world on other blockchains for ages and

i mean now that it's on bitcoin it doesn't really change the i mean obviously we believe in like the immutability of the bitcoin blockchain in contrast to others but it doesn't change the actual inherent problem that there's no direct physical or no direct connection between like the on-chain

data and the physical world so you still kind of need some kind of verification like if we transact and we actually want to sell the house between the two of us sure we can sign with our keys but our keys aren't connected to our like legal identity so you'd have kind of have to have

that verified anyway that because i mean i've got loads of different keys you know and i could just pretend to sign on chain and like then i'm kind of pretending to be with the seller or the buyer in a different trade of someone else's property and i think that was also kind of the the conclusion

from all the other nft discussions and stuff it can be useful for things that are like low value but only if the cost of transacting this stuff is is then also low so especially on blockchains that aren't decentralized but a very low cost in transacting like you can do this kind of stuff

for whatever like concert tickets or something like that you know and then you can transact out those between each other and then whatever but and it's not like a huge deal and you're not going to go to court because of this if if you're having like a big thing like house or a car or

selling a business or whatever i think you're not really removing the problem because at the end of the day you'll stick if you if you want to go to court you still have to have this whole thing in the the actual traditional legal system as well that's why these nft's and inship

inscriptions have blown up in the last couple years is because they don't have that link to the physical world so you can truly transfer the ownership well maybe not if you're on a theorem because they it's all centralized bullshit but this this inscriptions version of it there's no

ties to the physical world so you can provably transfer ownership just by signing with the key whereas you know the examples that we've used before clearly there's there's a physical item that needs to be dealt with in the physical world with real people i think the reason that there's

been such an influx also to the inscription side and doing this on bitcoin is that most of the implementations that have done all this shit previously on the theorem and derivatives of ethereum is that the information that's kind of on the chain so to speak it just points to a website

that shows the monkey jpeg or whatever it is so you're relying on whoever's running that website to continue to interpret that day to ensure your digital bullshit whereas bitcoin it's like it is immutable and it is on the chain and there's thousands of copies of it and anybody can run

this ordinal stuff that that interprets this data so you can show it so you're not reliant on anybody else um as long as there's a single copy of the network and somebody willing to run this ordinals software that interprets it then that's the the draw and the why the the de-gens

of uh are coming on mass to do this on bitcoin but at the end of the day you can still copy as much as you want i mean even the i could now go on to ordinals.com and just download one of those images and re-inscript it and resell it you know and at the same time i could

whatever just download a picture of some digital artist who's selling physical stuff and just uh inscribe that on the chain and start selling it and that doesn't mean that i'm the owner of that art so at the end of the day all you're doing is transacting that specific data in that

inscription and just transferring the ownership of that but there doesn't stop anyone else from either owning the physical representation of that or just copying your stuff and and reselling that again yeah the crucial bit is the tie to that individual set that's been marked when the

inscription was created isn't it that's the proof of ownership sort of thing so if you were to copy something then you can't steal that original set off me but yeah it's full intensive purposes it'll be the same monkey jpeg exactly yeah so don't waste your sets people yes and if you do want to send

waste your sets donated to the podcast yeah definitely do that jot i need to work out i've started having people streaming sets from other services outside of fountain and i can't then see their details or who they are or anything like that i can't give them a shout out is there

a easy way for me to do that do either of you know uh no idea mate sorry i've uh i've not messed around with uh value for value stuff um i know set's been looking out for our foundation podcast he's recently implemented it so i'll have a chat with him to see if uh he knows anything about that

um oh yeah that's a cool info share actually we recently started doing twitter spaces uh with foundation team every other Tuesday 7 p.m. GMT to talk about sort of um what we're up to and stuff that related to sovereignty uh it's called journey to sovereignty and we're we just set up lots we

just set up value for value so you can stream sets to us and we're going to do a hundred percent pass through to four open source projects we're going to be splitting it 25 each to zeus sparrow wallet open sat and robo sat so any sat that comes through to nice will be going aside from the feed

that the value for value creators take i think that's a couple of percent the rest of it will be split four ways between those four projects that are you know close to our heart and and very aligned with what we're we're up to so um yeah just thought that's pretty thought i'd share that

very cool and so that's just on spaces you just have to tune in live well it's live on spaces but we've got our own podcast feed as well so if you just search for journey to sovereignty it should come up we have had some visibility issues but um if you're adding the word foundation it should

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