EP06 pt. II Bitcoin podcast with Daniel Prince

Welcome back to the BitByBit podcast. Join me now for part two of my discussion with Daniel Prince. How do you feel about your keywords, your 24 of you? Yes, absolutely. It is stressful, right?

Yeah, really stressful. How does that get solved without the need for a trusted third party? And what can I mean? Yeah. Have you committed yours to memory yet? No. No, because I've got a terrible memory at starters.

And if anything happened to me, then what? Right, yeah, yeah. So, no, I happen. I saw an interview with Dan Morehead on Real Vision. Yeah. He said at one stage and he runs this great big hedge fund.

He said at one stage he was walking around with, he memorised it, 250,000 bitcoins in his head. So, 50,000 bitcoin in his head. Yep. So, it's a real problem. It is a problem. I don't know how we...

There are companies out there that are doing vault-like stuff and... Multi-sick and this kind of thing. Have you gone down that route yet, multi-sick? If you think about it, like, if you said, okay, it's a three of five set up or whatever they do.

And you might say there's effectively companies that would individual companies that would have, like, a vault. And the vault only needs to be the size of a treasure. So, the storage space is tiny.

Yes. So, realistically, they could have this price much, much lower than this traditional bank vault. And then you could say, right, we'll have five different hardware wallets from five different manufacturers.

And as long as you can access three of the five, you've got your money. Or as long as... or there's ten, and as long as you can access five of the ten, you can get your money. Or you can do it to any number, and you can have one in Spain, one in France, one in England.

And then someone puts a country head and says, well, I want it now. You go, well, so do I, but I can't. And you can't. So, I think that's probably something along those lines would be a good way.

And then even if, because you've still got a trusted third party, but you'd have to have half of them or more on the same day, all get attacked or closed down. Or you'd have to have a vulnerability in every single hardware wallet at the same time.

Or it just, the likelihood of it happening just is almost zero. I think probably something like that. But I think the old idea of having it on a little piece of paper and keeping it in a safe in your house is long gone.

Yeah. Fireproof safe. Well, yeah, this is the thing. I think that's a big turn off for people as well, because they're like, well, I don't want to be in control of it. Once you're involved in it, you're like, I do want to be in control.

I want to control everything. But to start with it is, and that's why people just leave it on Coinbase. They're just like, well, I'll leave it with them. They know what they're doing. Yeah.

Yeah. I beg people that they're doing that just to start, just like, you know. It's, but you know, if that's the first step, great. It has to be, really. Yeah. It's $100, whatever. Yeah. One, it doesn't matter what you're doing.

That's the first step. Get used to it first. But then just take the next step. And the next step is just go online. Order one of these hardware wallets. It turns up in the post, like anything else you order from Amazon.

Yeah. Sit down with a beer. Plug it in. Figure it out. It takes like 20 minutes. It's not that hard, but it is so scary that first... Can you remember sending your first transaction? Who doesn't, right?

Just what? So nerve-wracking. Mm-hmm. So nerve-wracking. I still get nervous. Yeah. But I still get nervous doing a bank transfer. I do, but not to the same level. Because I know... Because you've got that safety net.

You can always go back to the bank and say, "Well, you screwed that up." Yeah. Yeah. Or I've screwed it up. It can change. Right. Whereas this is like, "That's final." You know, that's it.

Oh, you miss... Oh, yeah. It's just one character. Done. But then I don't have to move the morale. I don't have to do it very often. And I think that it will get abstracted away. It will be just like your phone contacts.

It'll just be something. I mean, you can do it in that. Mm. Like to a text message or to Twitter. Yeah. So it will get to a point where it will just be integrated into phones. And it will just be like, "Right, send what amount bank done."

And it won't be... That will be abstracted away. But for now, I mean, yeah, I'm doing my first one. My heart was pounding. I was sweating. My mate was next to me. He was going, "No, no, it's all right."

And you just send that. And you send that across. And I was like... "No, what?" So if one of these characters is wrong, then I lose everything. He was like, "Yeah, he lose everything." But I'm like, "Ah!"

And how much was it? Oh, not a lot, right? Yeah, it's between... Well, I say not a lot. A hundred pounds or something. Right, exactly. But like, we have this fear of loss built into us. Yeah.

That is just... It's so overriding. Any rational decision is like this fear we have over losing something. Absolutely. Taking it back to your travels and things. That, I assume, was the biggest fear for you.

Or were you so sick of everything that you were like, "Gin, I what?" It can't be worse. Yeah, it's a good question. So we started traveling before I'd invested into Bitcoin. So at that point, it was...

I didn't even know what I was going to be doing. It was like, "Leave the job. Take it out six months. Let's just go travel for six months." You can probably budget for that. You have a little safety net, just...

Right, yeah. Then, you know, probably just reach into the network, make 10 phone calls, follow those breadcrumbs, get a job somewhere else. But with the opportunity that we had in the investment property that we bought 15, 14 years ago now, in Thailand, when currency exchanges were well in your favor of whatever else,

we listed that house on... We found the sharing economy. The sharing economy was really starting to take off as I was leaving my job. Digital nomads were becoming a real thing. And I listed that on our HomeSwap, lovehomeswap.com.

And then we just started dipping into the sharing economy and sharing people's homes all over the world. And then you swap. Like, they'd have your one in Thailand and then you'd go to their one.

Yep. And is that on some form of reputation system or... Well, you just join the website. There are several different ones. Again, we use lovehomeswap.com. Yeah, that was the one I found and signed up to.

And there's several ways you can do a swap. You can do, like, a simultaneous swap whereby, you know, if you were to list this home, which would be perfect, like 25 minutes into London, the amount of people that want to come and visit London, whether it's as tourists or as returning expatriates that want to come back and spend some time

but not cramp in with their family. You've got a beautiful home here. Thank you. And they go on to the site and perhaps they're living in UC important examples. For example, there'll be tons of British expats out there.

Want to come back month of August to come and visit the family. Right. They would come on, say to you, "Hey, Max, your house looks perfect for us. Would you be interested in a swap with us in August?

These are our dates." Right. And you're like, "Okay." Yeah. Because now you've got a full bedroom house over in Singapore and you can go and use. Yeah. And you look at flights and they're like, "500 quid.

This is crazy." Yeah, because that's the biggest cost of the holiday, isn't it? Right. What I'm saying. Yeah. So that's how we fell into it. There's a point system. So let's say somebody wants to come and rent your house, or not rent, but they want to come.

And you're like, "I don't want to go to, well, I don't need to be in your area or no. I was just there last year and we don't need to go back." But listen, you can move in with a family friend or something and vacate your house.

You can accept swap points. Right. So you might get a thousand points for them to come and stay. So you can use those points to go wherever you want and start approaching other people. Or maybe the days don't work.

They can't stay here, but you go and stay over there and able. Okay. You know? So it's very, very workable, very flexible. And what you find is when you actually take out that middleman, that middle company, that trusted third party, Airbnb classic example.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And owners and renters just start talking to each other. Yeah. It's actually happens. Just people talking to each other and sorting stuff out. Yeah. And we're completely, I would say 60 to 100 swaps, something like that.

Oh, wow. And that's over a sort of time period. Well, for the whole two and a half years, we were travelling. That was home swap to home swap to home swap. And do you talk about that in the book?

Yeah. Yeah. There's a whole chapter on that. And you get this renewed faith in humanity. And I think right at the beginning, you were talking about, you know, you get trapped in this job where you just, you know, people don't like you.

You don't touch your neighbors. You don't touch your colleagues. You don't like your customers and all this kind of stuff. And you just want to be in your own little bubble. When you start, you know, actually this peer-to-peer, which is what Bitcoin is as well.

You're like, wow. Total restoration and faith in humanity. Yeah. And actually everyone really is what everyone, 95% of people you meet are good actors. You want the best for you and your family and are happy to help you.

And that's what we've found, the sharing economy, especially when you are, when you're swapping people's homes as well. It's so personal. So personal. And so we have Airbnb guests or love home swap guests.

Airbnb guests help across the running the house. Paying the taxes and all that kind of stuff. Those guests are always more difficult because when you pay to rent a place, you have this sense of only type of order.

Yes. I've paid this year. Yeah. And they'll do it with it as they feel and as they leave all the lights on and just, yeah, just take the piss. Yeah. Or leave it in a mess or something, you know, whatever.

There's generally some kind of breakage or, I don't know. If you have a home swap guest come in, it's like this sense of stewardship. Yeah. Where they are going in to make sure this house is running absolutely as it should be.

If anything gets broken, you get an email or a phone call. If anything is not working, you get an email or a phone call. And it's just, you know, like, as a family, you've got to stay. And that was a really rewarding, you know, part of our travels and part of changing our outlook on.

I'm like, I think it's a really nice idea. As long as there was that reputation or point or something where you know, because I'd be a bit nervous doing it, if you, they've never rented anywhere before, you know, they've got no reputation that you could easily get scammed in that sort of situation.

But what I guess once you're in it and you've got a bit of reputation, you can go to these places. Why not? It, like you say, it takes all the, a lot, well, not all, but a lot of the stress of the travelling away.

Oh, yeah. You've got something to stay. The cost down in terms of you can cook there, you know, like going out within the so expensive, especially if you've got kids, like, I can't even imagine.

It's enough with just two of us. But you can't, hotel rooms are just like, what can we do with that? Well, the expense is two hotel rooms, family of six, two hotel rooms, and then you're eating out of the meat.

Yes. Just a bit thick. Yeah, so really. Yeah. So that, that would completely change the, completely change the travel for you. I think that'd be a matter. I'd have to look into that. Have you thought about doing, so pretty much what your website's doing, but holding like

an escrow amount of Bitcoin that effectively, if someone is to cause damage and they don't tell the other or if someone is to do something, they shouldn't. That money is held. If you've thought about something, I haven't had that.

No. Because that would be, for me, say people start using your website and they're like, said there's 50 people on there within Bitcoin community. One's in New York and I'm here. And it said, right, you've both got to put a thousand pounds worth of Bitcoin into escrow.

Here's the photos. If there's an issue in terms of you don't have, you know, the person can't get into your house or there's an issue, then that will go to arbitrage or something like that.

And your points will be revoked from your Ruby Kick Top website. So there's some sort of backing. I'd be more inclined. In my head, I'd be like, someone only has to damage one of my paintings.

Right. And I'm finished. You're like, someone only has to damage, you know, something of value to me. Might not be valuable to anyone else, but to me, it's valuable. And that would be the only drawback, where I'd be like, oh, I just don't know if I feel comfortable renting my home.

Something like that would, and I think if it's in that community, it's such a tiny community of people anyway. You probably would never have the problems anyway. You know, it's just that little extra safety net.

No, it's interesting. Yeah. I'll do it some draw. I'd be all over doing it. I'd love to do it. I'd be on there. I'd be like, right. Let's see if we can find something. Right. Definitely. I'd love it.

Would you sense, would you sense that? Yeah, probably. If it was, if it's that sharing economy, I'd probably just say, well, okay, four or five times a year, I'm going to use this. So I'll just leave that money or a small amount with that company or have it.

I'll just bang back and forth. I probably would, because I know it's going to other people who are also going to hold. If it was, like you just like go straight online somewhere, BSC or whatever and just buy the amount back again.

Yeah. That's the way I look at it. I think I paid for a second in course in Sats and the first thing I did is, right, that was $80 worth equivalent. I just went on YREX or something, bought $100 worth, just to replace the Sats I'd sent.

In fact, I ended up buying more. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, I think it's the tax implications for me because, which doesn't touch the UK yet, right? I know the US, they have to declare, you know they're going to go back retrospectively.

Yeah. Over the last 10 years, right down every transaction you've ever made, if you lie, you'll go to prison. And you need to now pay capital gains on every single one. What did you buy that specific from out of Bitcoin for?

What did you sell it for? Oh, there's a difference. Then you have to get an accountant involved. And so for me, like, would you see a flight of Bitcoin, as do you think? Long countries, like, whether it's the US, the UK, wherever.

If a country, like, announced, right, tax-free Bitcoin, open, I think so. I think so. And that's where that will be. And we're in a very weird situation in the UK at the moment, anyway, with like the whole Brexit thing and that's a very polarizing argument.

Yeah. I think so. When I listened to Raoul Pal, he was talking about it was in some Caribbean island. Came in. Came in. Came in. Came in. Right. If somewhere like that, when no taxes for any Bitcoin, you know, you've got complete protection, not necessary has to be came in, but some tropical paradise.

And they said there's no taxes on there. Yeah, I'd be pre-tented, especially like, now I'm doing, what if it becomes, what if it comes, right? What do you think? Well, I think it might. Yeah.

And I do too. And now, that'll be a decision people are going to be facing down, and I'll be like, "What? Why?" You're telling me, "I've now got to pay tax on something, but you guys didn't even understand."

Yeah. And I bought it with money that was left over from all the taxes I've already paid. Right. And now you want to tax me again on it. People are already too pissed off. Yeah. I think a lot of people will just go, "No, no, I'm not doing it."

And then if those places say, "Well, here we are, we'll take you on. You come over and you're going over there with some money." Even if they said, "Okay, you've got to come over here. If you want to become a resident, you've got to give 5% of your wealth to make sure

that there are, I don't know, whatever it is to help the community of that area in some way, or make sure the beaches are cleaned up and the wildlife looked after or something like that."

Or the electrical infrastructure is better or whatever. I think a lot of people go, "Yeah? Why not?" It's still much better than the other option, and I'm living in a tropical paradise. And from the money I've saved, if I want to go to London, I'll take a jet.

It sounds like a dick thing to say, but it does sound like a dick thing. But it's true. And I think this is what the citadel mean. I think this is really what a citadel will become. It will become one of these, do you know what's going on in Bulgaria?

Like blockchain value that's being built out there. I've heard, let's say in Malta, there's similar sort of things. Yeah. So Malta is another country. Yeah, why not? Yeah. Malta is another country that is throwing its arms wide open to Bitcoin, well, exchanges and things, right?

Yeah. But Bulgaria, I think, well, I've heard that the government there are very much invested in Bitcoin. So once you get a, here's a scenario for you, once you've got a Bitcoin holding government, what does that mean for the US as of this world, the UK as of this world?

I think they're done anyway. My personal opinion, and that doesn't come from me having an issue with them. What the United States is supposed to stand for, I completely agree with. Like basically it is Bitcoin.

What they're saying is freedom, like you know, you want to start up a business, do it. And I always felt like when I was younger, I always felt like England was kind of the same. As time progressed, I realized more and more, unless you already have money, you're going

to struggle to start a business because the regulations are there to actually hold you down so that the monopolies can continue. And it's sort of, it's meant that it's really good for a really small percentage of the population and really bad for the rest.

And that's why I think we're seeing a thing like Brexit has caused such enormous divides over something that really didn't have to be anywhere near as controversial as it was. But because everyone's so angry, and they don't know why they're angry because they don't

understand what's happening with their money, if another country like Montreal, Bulgaria, or the Caymans, and they have a better offer, what's really now that you've got the internet, you can run a business from a laptop.

You can run a business from a laptop, you can do almost everything you need to do. How often do you really want to be in London? It's pretty horrible. I don't see them holding control, and the US holds most of its control because of the money.

Right. So, yeah, I don't know, I just, I think it was going to happen, whether it's Bitcoin or not, something was going to, something had to change because I've felt over this breaking point of people that just had enough.

I see it everywhere and I always wish I could talk to people about say, "Oh, you don't have to be so annoyed because there is another option." Well, what was your thoughts on that? Yeah, I think, unfortunately, the way it's played out, it's been perfect government.

You know, dividing conquer seems to be like playing into their hands very, very, very nicely. Yeah. Split family down the middle. It's very, very sad. It's got this undertow of just like this anger.

It's misunderstood in other European countries, you know, I live in France. And they're, they're done on the stand for implications, but they've got their own problems over there. You know, they're revolting each week against them.

The yellow versus the retirement payments and things like that. Yeah. And, you know, they're so entrenched in the system, you know, it's very socially state. They're so entrenched in like, that the health system and things over there on the benefit system, which seems like a great thing, but at the end of the day, the money's all come

from somewhere. Right. And they want self sovereignty. And that's what they're, you know, raging against and it's like, guys, you can have this. You really can. And you don't have to put on the yellow vests and go and fight people in the streets.

No, you need to open an app on your phone and spend 30 seconds. So easy. It really is. And you know, I want to see less borders, not more. It's, it's strange, strange times and I really don't see how it plays out in the last five years.

The last throw of the dice for, you know, the political leaders, you know, are they that smart? Can they see it? Do they understand? I don't think I'd just think they definitely don't. Right.

They've had it too easy. I imagine if you could just print money at will, or you had all the power in the world, like no one could touch you, call this Epstein stuff and all this kind of thing.

You just have these people who are just untouchable and they're used to it and they, they just think, well, you know, our plan has worked, like you said, divide and conquer and they are getting richer and richer and they are getting more and more powerful and they do

have more and more control and they're using technology to take even more control and everyone's just loving it. Everyone's like, yeah, have all my data. Yeah, just let me tell you what I've had for breakfast, lunch and dinner and where I've been and what I'm doing and everything about my account and let me share.

So we're all sort of, well, not all of us, but most of the people are playing into it and I don't think they say it coming at all. I just, I don't think they saw what the internet was going to do either.

No, I really don't. I think if they did, they wouldn't have allowed it. Like if they'd have known what was going to happen, invade. If they knew what we were going to have the access to now, they'd have gone, definitely not.

Yeah, the knowledge we have access to, but more importantly that, you know, this peer to peer, this connectivity, the fact that you and I can be talking to someone across the other side of the world in a matter of seconds.

Well, we're sharing ideas. Where were you when we first spoke? In France? Yeah. So you were in France and I was just sat in my office here and we started communicating and in real time, in real time, and a week later, we sat here face to face without the internet.

Never ever. No, not even. You couldn't even dream it. You multiply that by a factor of God knows how many. Yeah. And the thing is about the internet as well, we're just like, we're that far in, right?

We're a tiny. Too many five years or something. It's like, this is nothing, nothing yet. Yeah. On the timeline. It's just a blip. It's a blip. Yeah, it's going to get really crazy. Have you ever watched the film, come on, Brian.

Ready Player One? No. It's a Spielberg film and it's a glimpse into the year 2049. Okay. Quite dystopian. Where will Bitcoin be? Well, this sort of, this really is one of the things that I've watched that film and I just went, Oh my God, like I was already pretty fairly deep down in the hell, but it

just, it's like, what I'd imagined was pretty similar to this film and so it's just, it's a glimpse into 2049, 2059, whichever, pretty dystopian, the world's gone to shit, right? Pretty much there are citadels, people are living in shipping containers stacked on top

of each other, there's major problems and everyone just lives their life in like a virtual reality world. They put their virtual reality goggles on, their suits on and they meet in virtual reality.

So where we met on Twitter and we were conversing and I could see text on the screen, it would be, where should we meet? Oh, let's meet in the Caribbean island and I'd be there and I could see you and you could see me and we'd be conversing like we would in real life and we could be drinking a beer and drinking a bit in virtual reality.

Right. And I think that's 10 years away. Yeah. So how does that change business and how does that change social habits, you know, that's incredible. You imagine a meeting, it's weird how these people are like paying it all out to be dystopian.

Yeah. For me, that's like utopian. Yeah. Yeah, there was a dystopian, the dystopian part was the entire gaming experience and you went into this world that everyone went into was owned by a central authority.

Right. Oh, okay. Right. And if, and you have to pay credits to buy weapons and this and that and if you owed money, you'd become a slave, like a debt slave, right? So it's quite clever the way they've done it.

But so yeah, if it was private and you owned it in your Android data, amazing. If it's not horrible, it's like Facebook owning the whole thing. That's the. Do you feel the same then about those who in like, let's call it 25 years, is there going to be that, that divide of those who do on Bitcoin and those who don't on Bitcoin?

Yeah. Does that play out to be this like classic Hollywood dystopian kind of, or do you think there's enough, would there be enough goodwill and driving force in the Bitcoin community to change the world to a better place that like all politicians, as we know, it would

get shaken out and the whole system would change and obviously like it's all like a big coin. It becomes a president or something. But what happens then, like, you know, I'd like to think we don't have presidents.

Okay. So libertarian kind of, yeah, very much my leanings would be politicians are, they're going to get a fucking job by the rest of us. They're going to actually add some value like the rest of us.

I still want to see some form of security, especially if I brought kids. I don't want to be roaming the streets and it's mad max out there. I think that could be privatized and I think you're still going to have a wealth divide.

But if you're right at the lowest rung today, the poor you are, the poor you get over time, the rich you are, the rich you get over time. I think that if you had everything running on Bitcoin to actually come from nothing to something would be much easier because also you'd have less regulation.

So if you want to start up a business today in the UK, you're like, right, I've got to go and see a lawyer, I've got to go and see an accountant, I've got to fill out a million forms. I've got to go and get a bank account, I've got to go and do this, I've got to get a loan

and because I don't have any money then it's going to be at a high rate and all of these activities are, they're there to slow you down. Absolutely. And so the odds are stacked against you, whereas if it's Bitcoin or either no regulation or much less regulation, if you want to borrow, everyone is peer to peer, so the rates will

come down, try something, especially in the digital world, like it only costs you coding something up or trying something, it costs you your time. So I think over time it will become fairer, over time it will be better, but I do think we'll probably go through a period.

How many of us are there? Very few. And how many of us are selling? Very few. So there's going to be a divide. Do think that the people who are involved generally seem to be pretty decent people.

Like everyone I've spoken to on Twitter and I'm being you and like, the people I've spoken to, they don't seem like politicians. When they have something they want to do, they actually do it, they don't talk about it, they all seem to want to make changes, they're sick of the way things are.

So I like to think it will be better. I'd rather just flip the board and see what happens than stay where we are. I'd rather give it a go. I think everybody's on board with that. I don't think anybody would disagree that something needs to change.

Definitely. We will end up in 1984, it's where it's going. Do you feel that obviously you started this podcast, I'm sure, to try and vent these frustrations and stuff, you can't talk about the other pub anymore to try and help average Joe understand a little bit more about Bitcoin?

How many of your friends have you managed to convince? How many do you think you've listened to the show? Well I know because I can see my stats on Lipsin. Right. Not many. Right. Not many.

So your friends, even though you're putting in the effort to do this, they'll be the first people to listen. Oh Max is doing a podcast. Can you believe it? He's killing it. He's trying a new thing.

No. In fact it is normally the other way where it's like it's gleeful if the price drops. Right. Sean Freud, right? Yeah. It's cool. Yeah. Yeah. People are praying for it to go to zero. Yeah.

Because they haven't invested in it so they want it to go to zero because then it confirms their biases. Right. Exactly. So no, I would say that one friend who came on yesterday who's in energy so he's trying to do renewable stuff, big government contracts and trying to, it's very much aligned in that

way of like he wants to actually make some positive changes. He understands it to a level, has a little bit of investment, not a lot, but entertains the idea. Let's say I've got one other friend who's interested.

Did you get into the conversation about mining and the use of energy and how it's... Yeah. I wrote an article on it the other day. What was his team? It's the first thing people, I've got a very smart friend of mine.

I can't convert him into Bitcoin. The person who texted me is like, I can't convert him to it because it's bad for the environment. Yeah. Final. Yeah. I'm like, but that's not true. Yeah.

It's not true. That you've probably read a few articles that say, oh yeah, it uses enough electricity to power a small country and all that. But he had already had it in Forbes. So it's a pill to authority.

Who are we? Mm-hmm. That's the problem is, although you learn about all this stuff, it's more Forbes said. Forbes obviously knows more than you. Yep. Well, all right then. And it's not just Forbes.

It's every single, you know, the BBC and every single media outlet is also saying the same thing. So that is the problem. And also it's all criminals use it, you know, it's all brilliant.

Oh yeah. It's all criminals. Yep. And it's going to kill the planet. And also it's a Ponzi scheme and it's, you know, and I'm like, pounds of Ponzi scheme, really. So, I don't know, yeah, that's probably one of the main reasons that I started this was just, I can't talk about any more to normal people, I just can't, and I hope that a few

people listen. And if they listen, then I'm really, if I, if one person listens and in 10 years, like you said, they'd bring you a bottle of wine and go, cheers, man. So I wrote the book.

Yeah. If you change one, it's like, what you're doing, because money's great, but spending time with your family is, I don't know what's more important than that, I can't think one. It must have changed your life in ways that you must look back at your old life and go, I'm so glad that I'm not doing that anymore.

I look back at old pictures and don't even recognize, I mean, it's probably the same for everybody anyway, but you look at a picture like 10 years ago, you know, you just sit there and just kind of think, what's going through my head in those days, you know, what was my outlook of the world in those days.

And we can all do that, you know, it doesn't, you know, that's, that's across the board. That's the same for everybody when you look back. But now to have gone through this monumental shift of not falling for the system anymore.

Look, I'm not an anarchist. I'm not saying, you know, this is all wrong, this is all bullshit, you know, that that's not, you know, I don't rage against the machine, just for the sake of raging against the machine.

But through my experience over the last six years that, that I left like gainful employment, the stuff I'd learn about myself, about my family, about finance, about education, about the world is just incredible, absolutely incredible.

And when I look back and yeah, it's just different, completely different person. And it changed, it touches facets of your life. We never thought you would touch is, have you ever met a fat Bitcoin?

No. Right. No, I haven't. Think of everybody on Twitter that, you know, aren't soon nims. Yeah. Or any videos you've ever watched, if they're well into it, if they're three or four years, they've worked, they have that long term, they understand it's health, wealth and, you know, whatever the hierarchy of needs is, yeah, it's crazy.

The other thing I've noticed about them is they all work really, really fucking hard. People in a lot of traditional, traditional life, okay, they work hard. They do the 95, they come home, they flip on the TV, they grab a beer, whatever, they get on Facebook.

I've noticed that the people who I've seen who are involved in this might work a nine to five, they come home, work another six to ten, then they'll do their communications on Twitter or whatever and reach out and do, you know, get their connections going.

They're working twice as hard. That sort of shows to me conviction, because if, like, if you have true conviction, I remember when I was first buying properties, I worked seven days a week, 12 hours a day, four years and years and it, like, just, in the early days of life, it comes back to that Steve Jobs thing.

Yeah. Do something you love and you won't feel like work. That's it. And I believed in what I was buying, so I was like, right, I don't care what's happening on the weekend. I'm working because I want that house.

I lost that love, so I was like, I don't really believe in it anymore. So now I'm in this industry. I'm like, I don't care what's happening on the weekend again. I'm working because I want those sats.

I remember seeing Andreas Santinopoulos, one of his very first speeches, my finish first speech, I don't know, where he was so worked up, he's like, you know, I- He gets fired up. Oh, he's brilliant.

I love interest. And, you know, like, I remember seeing him on stage and like, you know, I was there at the birth of the internet and you have no idea how addicted to that. Yeah. Otherwise.

But I didn't sleep for weeks because I was just so, it was like, Bitcoin is that times 10 or something. Yeah. You know, paraphrasing. And when people like that, and he has this brilliant knack of just using the best analogies and just burning it all down and, you know, just getting his point across in such a great

way that, was he one of the first people you followed? He was. Yes. Through as well. And I started looking at watching those Real Vision videos. Yeah. The first book I bought was Andreas's, his internet, Bloody Book.

Yeah, that's a great book. Podcasts, the general ones, I guess, like, I only found Peter McCormack only like six months ago. He's relatively new. I mean, he's like, that's what's quite nice is like, he's a new, you know, who's sort of learning on the job.

And that's really nice for people to listen to because, you know, not with Andreas so much because he's so good at boiling things down. Yeah. I used to flick on some podcasts right at the beginning.

Like, I remember actually thinking back the first Real podcast episode I listened to was Tim Ferris who used to listen to his podcast all the time. Yeah. And he had Nick Sarbo and Naval Rambakan on.

Oh, yeah. Okay. And they went, I mean, they ripped for about two and a half hours. The two of them together? Yeah. I haven't listened. I have to have listened to that. And, you know, back in those days, they were talking about Ethereum as well.

So that that's kind of like what led me down, down that path. And I'd be interested to know actually whether the host Ferris himself actually after listening to those guys went and started investing because Kevin Rose, he also was doing a side crypto comment, what it's called, but he had Andreas on, and then I saw Andreas on Joe Rogan and

I was like, wow, yeah, some of the smartest guys I've ever heard speak ever on any subject. Yeah. Well, that's where you get the conviction. Right. Right. I remember sending one of, I said one of Andreas's videos to my mom and dad and I said, please watch this.

Like this is too important. Please watch this. And they come back and I think it was a one liner, something along the lines of he seems really worked up and he's got a bit of an annoying voice for a salesman for Bitcoin or something.

That's why I've had it. Oh, my God. Yeah. Okay. First of all, yeah. Well, this guy's nerdy. This guy's nerdy. It's like, yeah, that's because he's not a salesman for Bitcoin and another. So this leads into a misconception where I live in France or France, it's, you know,

there are some expatriates around and got English friends and Dutch friends. I just put out on a Facebook group, does anybody want to meet up and talk about Bitcoin? Because I want to talk about it and I just want to know if there's anybody else out there.

Oh, one guy approached me, a really, really nice guy, a cool guy, and we get on and fellow English guy and he's like, I want to talk to you about Bitcoin. But first things first though, are you, are you selling it?

Right. I'm like, ah, okay. Yeah. And then the sat dropped. It's like, you think I'm shilling it, you think I've got some kind of commission behind this. Yeah. And I said to him, mate, no, it's not a company.

I don't work for the company. Yeah. I get money for doing it. You're referring to a web, to an app and that will give us five euros each or something. Yeah. That's about it. Yeah. You know, full disclosure.

But that's what people think. Yeah, because that's what's normal. Yeah. That's what we used to. And this hasn't existed before. And in some way, like the more people you buy effectively, the more value is in the network, which is for someone to think, oh, if I buy a hundred pound of Bitcoin, it's going to make him money.

It's like, no, no, no. Buy a hundred billion, then yeah, but the people can't wrap their head around that. And people think it acts like a stock, like it's too expensive for me. Yeah. Eight thousand dollars, six thousand euros, six and a half thousand pounds, whatever.

I can't afford that. Yeah. It's like, no, you can just buy 20 pounds. But the lot you're saying about listening to people like Andreas and some of these people who are smart, I don't know if you have the same, but there are times less so now, but there's times where I've gone to bed and I've gone to close my eyes and I've thought.

Right. Jesus. What are you doing? Yes. Nobody that you know, believes you, nobody you've spoken to believes you and some of them are pretty smart. Oxford Cambridge graduates, smart people, they don't believe you.

You're so sure that you're right and everyone thinks you're wrong. And I have that worrying, oh my God, oh no, I'm definitely wrong. And then I think back and I think, right, when I was in property, a lot of the people that I dealt with were fucking stupid.

They'd made money, but they were honestly, I'd spend 10 minutes, I couldn't have a conversation like I'm having with you. I'd just be like, Jesus Christ, you're stupid. When I'm involved with people with Bitcoin, I've yet to meet someone who I'm not incredibly

impressed with, where I'm just like, right, you just, whatever subject it's it, whether it's the finance part, development part, you know, whatever it's to do with and I listen to these people, I think maybe I'm wrong, but is he wrong and he wrong and he wrong and he wrong and he wrong and I've never met a smart group of people.

I've just not even closed like in any industry, dentistry, I suppose it'd be quite smart people, pale in comparison, anyone to do with property, pale in comparison to finance and banking.

And then you meet these people who are just like, are we all wrong? Like at all these, that's what gives me the confidence is listening to these people and you just think, I'm pretty sure around something here.

There's just too many smart people, there's two, like saying like people like tour and people like that as well. And they're not. And I don't get like, I've tried to drag myself out of the echo chamber.

It's quite easy to be in it because I look for confirmation bias and I need to catch myself. Yeah. I'm all into that trap and I challenge myself as much as I can. And I really, really, really, really look to be taking out the echo chamber is so difficult to find.

Yeah. It really is. Very, very difficult because such a small worry, the other side of the argument, they get so worked up so quickly. Have you ever listened to, there's a podcast episode between safety and leadership.

That guy. He knows he's wrong. For him not to know he's wrong, he's got a gold business, he sells gold, he's been telling people for have a long buy gold, don't buy Bitcoin. It's been wrong for the last 10 years, he's going to continue to be wrong.

And he makes his money from, from winding Bitcoin is up because it gets engagement. He can't be that stupid. And I listen to his podcast as well, a comp, and I'd be great podcast. We've showed a lot of podcasts.

We have. Yeah. She'll let's back. But him and Pomp had a really good conversation and for the first hour, I was engaged with Peter and I had a lot of respect for him and he was telling stories about when he was running for governor of his state in the US and all of this.

And I'm like, you know, this is, this is a guy that he understands markets. Yeah. He's been around them the whole time. Yeah. He really, really does get it. Yeah. He came. He's playing now.

I don't understand it. It's a game. I'm so convinced of it because I'm just saying, you know, Peter, I need you to take me up my echo chamber, but you're doing such a bad job at it. He's got all you'll go down to is intrinsic value.

There's lots of coins. And then you explain that that no, that's not right because of X, Y, Z. You could list 50 reasons. He's wrong. They're not opinions. They're facts. And he's heard them a billion times from safe and from all, you know, all these people.

And he will never listen. And so you could either say he doesn't understand it and he's an idiot, which he's not, clearly. He'd like, he's not an idiot. He's a smart man. So then it's like, well, then it's most likely you do understand it and you're just lying

to your audience and you're using Bitcoin as a platform to get more people and probably own it. I mean, interesting, I never thought about that. Yeah, he sells gold for Bitcoin on his website.

No. Yeah. Well, he does. No, I didn't know that. Yeah, he does. He says, oh, well, we converted it all straight away. It's like, okay, man. All right. And Trace has been talking to him about it since it was like 25 cents.

So I don't know. I would be shocked if he doesn't understand it. I just think he's a liar. And then the other guy that I listened to on Marty Bent the other day, Dave Collin, do you follow him?

Is he the guy who was talking about Marxism and recent one? It was a recent one. sounded like a New Yorker. Why don't you take a touch on that? He's the guy that, you know, he'll get, he'll take the imposing of your climate change on Twitter.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Older guy. Yeah, he writes an annual. Yeah. Yeah. Really good, really good episode. Yeah. Really good episode. And, you know, a good discussion. He's the first guy that I listened to that doesn't lose his shit, like, you know, like pizza shit, just loses his shit and shows us how he's out of the crowd.

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But he would sit there and listen. Yeah. And he and Marty would get into like, you know, good discussions. Yeah. About, you know, the, the pros and cons. Yeah. He's great.

That guy really likes that one. So following people like that to try and take me out on the echo chamber is very, yeah, it's important. I need to find more people like it's a good exercise.

But I'm yet to find someone with a, I found people with arguments and, and I've gone, oh, yeah, at the beginning, I'm like, okay, I'll check that out. And I'm like, okay, no, that's wrong.

And then I'll double check and triple check and quadruple check that those reasons, that those reasons, yeah, that those reasons, you know, that is true. Right. Right. Okay. Well, that's debunked next.

And there's no more next. The only ones are, let's go through them, like, uh, Bitcoin's going to kill the environment. No, it's not. It's driving clean, taking anything. Yeah. So that's bullshit.

Bitcoin's going to get shut down by the governments in possible. Yeah. Well, even if it was possible, if the governments did do it, which they, it's almost impossible. I would argue impossible, but let's just say almost, if they did, then you have to question

how much freedom you have and really whether your government's working in your interests. They've got to shut world wide down the internet and shoot every satellite out of the sky. And you can text it and you can tweet it and you can send it by any communication channel.

SOS. You can. So yeah, they can't shut it down. So debunked. What else have they got? It's not tangible. Doesn't matter. So. Was your credit? Yeah. Pointless. It's, it's going to get hacked.

Well, it's got a hundred and something billion dollar bounty on it at the moment. And every single hack when the world is trying all the time and no one's managed to do it. Whereas travel X got done last week.

Every single bank and government and everyone all been hacked. The only one that hasn't is Bitcoin. So wrong. What else is there? Oh, drugs and. Drugs and everything. Drugs and everything.

Again, debunked almost all the money that runs through is through the banks. And I think there was the, I think it was on the pump shows where there was DEA agent who came on. And he was saying that I think it was like less than, I think he said less than 1% of activity on Bitcoin is anything to do with drugs or criminal activity.

Right. Whereas the dollar was much, much higher or something like that. And he admitted it. And he's. Yeah. Like, you know, he was actually working to try and find criminals through Bitcoin.

That's his job. So and even if it was so what it's a tool, a car can be used by a criminal. This beer bottle can be used by a criminal to smash someone over the head. Like it's a tool whether someone uses it for good or bad.

That's down to that person and they're always going to do it. It's stupid to try and calculate that. What else is there? Basically, you just run out of, you just run out of, you just run out of, like eventually you get to a point where you're like, you just have heard it all before, I've heard all your argument.

Oh, it's volatile. Yeah. To the upside. Hmm. Yeah. If you just hold it. Yeah. Yeah. Or you just get to a point where you think if someone comes to me with a good argument and they say, right, this is why it's not going to work, I like to think I listen, I do try and find the reasons and I just can't find them.

I just, I can't find them. And like I said, it's not just me and it's not just you, it's, I mean, how many, it is small though. I mean, how many people are there on Twitter who talk a thousand of us or a couple of thousand?

I read the little Bitcoin book the other day and they were talking, it's still like less than 1% of the world or something. It's just ridiculous. I think it's got to be a lot less than that.

Hmm. Is that the rabbi? Bitcoin rabbi guy. Well, the little Bitcoin book is the, the, like Alex Gladstein was one of them. Jimmy's song. There's like seven of them. Right. And Greg or book, like it's like pocket size and you can just look through it very, very easy to read.

Right. Brilliant for noobs. Okay. Yeah, it's, yeah. Very, very cool. He's an interesting guy actually. Alex Gladstein. Yes. Chew him in. Nice foundation. Really cool guy. And sees the whole aspect of like changing the world of it and like inclusion and getting

people their, their, their freedom back and the, the smuggling like information into North Korea and stuff like that is that crazy stuff and that is, that's the most exciting bit. Hmm. That's the most exciting bit and having people like him involved is awesome because if people

actually listen and he's doing it for a good cause and he's very well spoken and he talks about things that people should care about, I hope that pulls a few more people in rather than just, oh, yeah.

Number go up. But this is the problem is the thing, cause there's so many threads like that. You know, if you sit down with someone for five minutes, they're like, right, tell me about Bitcoin.

Like, right. We can save the world. It cannot bank the unbanked. It saves your purchasing power. It's going to be faster than these. It opens up all these new business opportunities. You know, you go through like a list of a hundred thing, like Bitcoin fixes that.

Yeah. You know, we've seen that on Twitter. It's like Bitcoin fixes this. Yes. And you can sort of go back to Bitcoin fixes this and people are like, right, well, that can't be right. But you could say it about the internet and be right.

Yeah. So why couldn't it be the same with this? Because you can with the internet as a developer communication, it's open back to us for learning. You know, I'm doing a coding course online.

It costs me, I'm actually doing it a step out of the varies on the same course at the moment. It's with Moon University, Justin Moon, it costs me $50 and it's full on learning to code on Bitcoin and create your own wallets and do all this sort of stuff.

It's $50. Yeah. And if I want us to do that in traditional world, you know, thousands. Okay. You're getting on to, um, we can riff about education if you like, and what I see happening playing out in the next 10 years.

I think this, this is going to be the decade where university is just, this is it. This is their final stand. They're done. They're over. Yeah. It's gone. It's going to shift to what you want to learn, when you want to learn, how you want to learn it, how you are best to learn.

To learn. Yeah. We're all going to start understanding why I learn best by doing it this way, this way, this way. And you're going to be able to connect with whoever you want, like, you know, safe.

This is what's safe. Like he's left university. His job is that is pointless yearly wage, hated what he had to teach and wants to teach real economics. Yeah. So he just interacts with students who you want to learn, not people that are just showing up half drunk because they've been out on night.

Yeah. Like worried about the fact that they're 150, 200 grand in debt come the end of the semester. You know, it's like, if I go back to like the, um, the homeschooling summit that I was hosting and some of the people that we were talking to on there, I'm part of a, um, a group called Galileo.

Mm hmm. Galileo XP.com. And what we're doing is, and so was Sora schools, S O R A and Lambda school, Lambda. Lambda. Yeah. What's it? Uh, that's Austin. Yeah. Incredible. So like they're, they're almost signed up to that.

I believe I was on the, I was on the verge of it. And I was just like, I can't dedicate that much time right at the moment, but like, but it's awesome. It's four people. It's, you know, the case studies they have, like, you know, petrol pump attendant in the US.

Like, you know, I don't want to do this anymore. Mm hmm. Goes on to Lambda learns to code for free when it's, once he landed a job paying 50 grand or more, starts paying back in installments, like the, I think the cost of the course would have been like 20 grand or something.

Yeah. And they find the jobs for them. Yeah. They help place them and everything. Like what university can compete with that? No, they take your turn to ground go, fuck off, good luck. They don't care what they're teaching.

No. They don't care how you behave on campus. I mean, we've seen all the university films out in the US, right? Mm hmm. It's just like. Yeah. It's just a, it's just a joke. Yeah. So they're all going to fall over.

Education changes this, this, this decade and for the better and high schools and everything have just got to, everything has to change. Why, why can't my daughter, why does she have to check her phone at the classroom door?

Think about that. These things is everything that's ever been written ever, some of the best teachers ever access to, whether it's in written text or videos or whatever. Yeah. And you, even, you can have a glimpse into the future on here as well because there are some very smart people telling you what's going around the corner.

Mm hmm. You walk into a classroom and school, they're teaching you the same shit from a book. No, from a book. Yeah. They've been teaching for the last 15, 20, 30, 40 years. Yeah. What's the point?

No, I know, I completely agree, I think education is so far behind. It's of any industry, it's so far behind. It's embarrassing. And like you said, the access, things like that, what Austin's doing, like, that's, that is amazing.

And those people couldn't go to university. Right. It's not even allowed. Right. Well, we're not allowed. Not part of the elite. Don't, yeah. You're not part of the elite. Wouldn't get the loans anyway.

You can't take the time off from work to go there because they might have a family to lead or that, you know, whatever it is, they have to keep a roof over their head. They had no opportunity.

And now they're getting better service for less money and they're actually having someone who's invested in them as a person because if they don't get a job, they don't get paid back. Yeah.

In every way, that's better. Yeah. In every way, it's better. I remember listening to me. He was sleeping in the back of his car when he was saying that up. I remember hearing about that and I was just like, good on you, mate.

Like, you've had an idea and you've just smashed it. I've been really impressed and I've seen, and he always tweets about his candidates who've been on there, doesn't he? Yeah. And things like, you're saying, like, petrol attendant, single mum, you know, gone from

15,000 a year, barely feed my family to now, I've gone straight in working at whichever company. And he seems excited. A job that sets them alike as well, right? Yeah. And they hear about and they go there and they, you know, can get behind them.

It's going to be interesting how universities come to this realization that they're just slowly becoming obsolete. They've taken the piss, they've taken the piss with their fees because they had the monopoly on it.

And they were like, I mean, I never went to university. I was just like, I want to go and earn money. So people were like, oh, yeah, well, you know, do a gap here. I know. I'll go and earn some money and then I'll do a proper gap here that I've got.

That was like, if you didn't go to university, you were sort of people who would look down their nose at you like, oh, yeah, you're a waster. But actually the one who was, oh, yeah, you're a waster was going and working their bollocks off.

And the one who was seen as, oh, well done, you're going to university, like you say, they're just going and getting pissed rolling out a bed, going to a lecture, not really listening, worrying more about who they'd met last night than actually what they're studying.

And then hoping that either mommy and daddy are going to have some friends in the city who are going to usher them into a job or if they don't have a rich mommy and daddy, then they just hope that maybe they're going to get a job that they're going to pay back

those debts in five years or how long does it take to pay back to university debt? Mate, God knows how long. And that's hanging over you. So bad. And that can't be very good for your creative thinking because you're like, once you're then into that job, you're like, I have to stay in this job.

Yeah. I've got debts to pay. So you're already changed. You change yourself as soon as you come out of university. And then I think most people would actually do that, come out of university, get the job, slowly start paying off their debts, but never really pay them off because then they have

to have the flashcard and then they have to have the Rolex and then they have to have them. Then they suddenly wake up and they're 75 years old and they go, fuck, where did it go? Exactly.

And why didn't I change my passions? Whereas the people who are doing these, like, so I have to look into the space course. How much did you say it was? Um, 100 bucks? I've got to do that.

Yeah. He's really good. I loved his book. Yeah. It was really, really good. And you can email him any question in the line. Really? Yeah. It's just incredible. Yeah. It's 100 dollars. You'll learn more in that course than going, than going to the university.

Direct access. Yeah. Two, one of the guys who is at the absolute cutting edge of Austrian economics and, you know, Bitcoin standard, yeah, um, 100 bucks. And how much would it cost to go and do an economics degree at a top university?

And get to what? Lies. Just literally, you either lies or just so misguided and cut off from the real world that they don't know their lies, either way. It's bullshit. Well, when you look at, yeah.

What does it cost? What does it cost? It actually dollars. What does it cost? An opportunity. It costs time. Ridiculous amounts. Yeah, it's it. In fact, anybody that is choosing to do an economics course at university should fail by default because that is just bad economics.

Yeah. You're right. Yeah. Because you're putting yourself, if you put that into a business plan, I, yeah, you know, so if you, if you apply to university and you choose economics, I could give you an F right now.

Yeah. That's so true. That's very well worded. So true. The idea. You want to go and learn about money. Okay. This course is going to cost you 200 grand. Yeah. Still in? Fail. Yeah. Yeah.

Or go spend 100 pounds and go and learn from somebody who really knows what they're talking about. Madness. Yeah. I have to look into some more of these courses and things. Are there any more that you're doing it?

That's the only one I've done. That's the only one that's really like a, a feel to me. Yeah. And I learned a lot, I learned a lot about, well, I learned a lot reading his book and then I learned a lot about, you know, listening to his courses and his lectures about house of Austrian economics and things like that.

You've talked in previous shows about, you know, money, what is money and actually understanding what it is and what it does and how society is built around it. It's worrying when you realize that you didn't know.

Not the slightest clue. You worked. And I worked in foreign exchange. Yeah. And you're missing a ball in foreign exchange around people who all they imagine talk about is finance. Money. All day long.

And so the thing that all your time and all your energy is being spent on, you don't know what it is. No. That's so embarrassing. Don't know where it's come from, how it's originated, where it's going, all you're looking at is price go up, price go down, day in, day out, numbers on a screen that don't mean anything to you.

And we don't ask it. No, we just go, yeah, that's how it is. And then we don't go, how long has it been like that for? And they're like, since 1971, you're like, it's not that long then. Yeah.

Yeah. It's really worrying. I'm just conscious on time. Yeah. No, it's fine. We've been revving for a long time. That's all right. What I'll probably do with this one is just cut it into two separate episodes, just like this on chart.

Oh, yeah. But I'm just conscious on that. What is the time? Yes. Half past three. Yeah. So I've got to get back as long as I'm back in, yeah, I need to be back in town bridge around six o'clock.

So although, yeah, I've got one of those tickets for I've gone on these travels seven times in a day. Yeah. No. Good. Good shout actually, mate. Yeah. Half past three. Wow. This day is just fun as you realize.

Yeah. It really does. How do you want to wrap it up? I guess if you can just tell everyone where they can find you, and a little bit, maybe just a little bit more about your book and what they'll learn in it and that kind of stuff.

And then we wrap it up there. It's been really nice. Thank you for coming. I said earlier to my fiance when she's going off, she's going, what will you talk about? I once, I said, I have a feeling after reading her article, I have a feeling that won't be a problem.

And I was right, it's like once, when you have these similar interests, you can just, there's so much information that goes around and it links into so many different aspects of life. And like you're saying, it links into education, it links into travel, it links into family life.

It's been, no, it's been a joy to have a conversation with you because like, you know, think about it. Like, how many conversations are you having in your life that you actually just sit down and really, you know, how many important conversations do you have in your life?

Most of our conversations are superficial, really. Like, you know, if you're stuck at work all day, they're superficial conversations, you're trying to win a client or you're trying to, you know, keep a client happy or you know, whatever you're trying to keep your boss happy or impress someone, it's all superficial

here and you've got this mask on, you tend it to be someone else. And it's the same with, you meet your group of friends down in the apartment Friday night, you're not getting to get into these conversations.

No, you're going to have fun, you're going to have bullshit, you're going to rib each other over football or whatever it is that you're doing or, you know, to actually sit down and have like long-form conversations about important shit.

Yeah. No one is really doing that. No one's interested. No. And that's just it. It gets lonely. Yeah. It gets lonely because if that's what's often going on in your mind and you can't talk to anyone about it, it's nice to then be like, "Ah, I could speak to you."

It's like on my level and yeah, it's just been very nice. Thank you for coming in. Thanks for connecting on Twitter. And thank you for the book coming in there. Yeah. I'm sure I haven't read through that.

It's very much something that we've talked about and, well, I'm sure like lots of people do, but never taken the jump, so I hope I learned some tricks in there. But yeah, tell the listeners, what can they, well, first of all, where can they find you?

Yep. And then a little bit more about the book and what they're going to learn from it from Choose Life. Yeah. Sure. So Twitter is @princey1976, you'll find me on there. Our website, our blog is @princeys.

My surname is "princeys" off the grid, and I still kept the .weebly.com, so I didn't pay the $10 a year to get rid of the weebly. I don't mind chilling weebly. Yeah. So, yeah, "princeys" off the grid.weebly.com is our blog where you can go and learn about

us and the family and how we traveled, that you can learn about the sharing economy, you can learn about homeschooling or world schooling as it's now. No. Yeah. But like those digital nomad families, they call it world schooling.

Okay. Well, they take education into their own hands and take the kids around the world to show them experientially real cultural differences and lives. When you meet these kids, oh my God, exactly.

I'd love for you to meet my homeschooled or world-school kids who'd just be like on a different level. The future is bright. Yes. So, it really is. All of this worry that we have and anxiety around the future.

So, you can reach out to me there and please do. Like if anybody wants to pick up the book, it's on Amazon. You can get it. If you're part of Kindle, you can just read it for free, right?

I think. Okay. Yeah. If you're a KDP director, no. What is it? I don't actually have a Kindle. Some people have a Kindle account where they can read certain books for free. That's one of them.

So, if you have that, you can do it. I hope to do an audio this year. I like you. I figured I can see what's happening with audio and I've got a jump on that bandwagon. So, I hope that the audio version of the book.

Yeah. That's me. Reach out. Fantastic. Okay. I'll link some bits in the show notes as well and then also just for any Bitcoiners who might be listening, just from nine times again, what the website was for the...

Oh, yes. Airbnb, Bitcoin. Airbnb. Airbnb, but without the... Airbnb, Bitcoin. Okay. Don't weebly.com again. Don't weebly.com. Yeah. And I'll link that as well. And then if they're interested in renting that, they just reach out to you by email.

Yeah. It's a very basic landing page. My email's all over it. Yeah. I know like there's a about us, meet the team, it's just a picture of me and my working kids. And we're open to anybody again, it's such with us that might be interested in renting the place and we'll accept Bitcoin at a discount to fiat because we want to somehow provide

a service for traveling Bitcoiners that want to use it, need to use it and are looking for these accommodation options. Yeah. Thanks. Perfect. Thanks for remembering that. Well, nice, excellent work you're doing as well.

Thank you. Brave decision to go into this, I think what you're doing is brilliant and I hope whoever's listening is learning a lot and keep up with good work. Thank you very much Ryan. Right.

We'll wrap it up there.