EP12 Bitcoin podcast with Didi Taihuttu

Welcome back to the bit by bit podcast. In today's episode, I'm joined by Didi Tahutu. Didi is well known in the Bitcoin space. Didi and his family, the Bitcoin family, travel the world, living only on Bitcoin and teaching others about this amazing technology. A few years ago,

Didi and his family sold their home and all their possessions to travel and live on Bitcoin. Didi is joining me today from Thailand. Although the sound quality isn't perfect, I really enjoyed this one and I think you'll learn a lot. Didi has such an interesting

outlook on life and it's amazing to speak to someone who's been so heavily involved for such a long time. All of us in this space obviously believe in this technology but for an entire family to put their full faith into it is quite something. Today we talk about a wide range of topics

we talk travel, homeschooling, Bitcoin, finance, government, ayahuasca and much much more. As I said, the sound quality isn't perfect but I think you're really going to get something out of this one and I hope you enjoy. It's better. That's much better. So you're joining me from beautiful

Thailand. How is it? Thailand is amazing. It's a beautiful place. I enjoy the sunset every night. The food is healthy. It's a warm climate. The people are nice. As a family, we just love Thailand.

Up there is one of your favorites then. I think Thailand is one of the favorites. Indonesia is one of the favorite style and it's always easy. I don't know what. The people just smile a little bit more. The people are just a little bit more friendly and just laid back. It was my first time

to Asia last year. We went to Langkawi and that was the best holiday we've ever had and the same reason just the people are so nice. Also, the nature was amazing. It's just absolutely beautiful over there. The nature is beautiful. You can make an adventure of every day and the kids

they get bald when you travel that long. So you need to make adventures because the digital moment traveling life is also over there. For anyone who doesn't know any of my listeners, I think everyone will know who you are and what you're doing. But the digital nomad traveling,

how many years is it you've been doing it and what is it that led you down that path, DD? Because it sounds like the life that we all wish to lead and sounds like you're living the dream but I'm sure it doesn't come easy in other ways. Yeah, you know what it is. We started in

2016 and there is always a happening in your life that leads to two different steps that you need to take in life. Some people don't take a step and they get very depressed and live and all that stuff. Because I lost my mother when she was 48 years old and then in 2014 my father heard

he had cancer and just one more year to live. So you know, at that point I was this metallic person that was still running the hamster wheel and making as much as possible money to become a millionaire because that was what school taught me that then if I would be a millionaire and had a house and

some cars and some bike and all the other luxury stuff, I would become happy. So during that way my father gets sick and I hired a manager to run the companies and I just spent all the last moments in life with your father, you know, in the last Christmas, last Easter, all the last

things you want to do and in 2016, after a year you guys and then you get the funeral and you get the all that stuff and the insurance and the inheritance and all that things and at that point we still had my company and everything and I was just too much so I was struck by a huge burnout

which made me decide okay I need to reset that and I knew from the backpacking life we had like a few times when we were younger let's then just go to Asia and you know mentally and physically reset so we did and we agreed on three months and you know in those three months I already

noticed after two, three weeks wow this I am getting back my energy and getting back the the last of life and all that stuff and I was really enjoying my kids and my wife and just spending the time with them because you know the years before I was just playing workaholic and you know

you don't spend the time you should spend with your kids and your wife. It must seem. So it was a wake-up call for you really. It was it was a wake-up call that I you know it even if I would have had billions of dollars I would not have been able to save my father or my mother you know neither

did he just died and it said it was for me a wake-up call KDD or now late 30s your mother was 48 your father is 61 you know eat away if I was gonna die in that age I wanted to have lived my life instead of just living this running this hellsable in an office where you you pretend to be somebody

because of the ego you have and you know but it doesn't make you entirely happy. So we just needed to change we just needed to change. Times the ultimate currency isn't it? That's the only thing you never can buy back you can buy back all the metrics and stuff you want but you can never buy

back times though it's for us it became the ultimate currency here even more important than Bitcoin yeah no absolutely well even Bitcoin can't buy time can it? No that's the only thing it can't you know yeah maybe when the when the number goes up then it buys you some more time because you

don't have to work so much but it can never take back time nothing can. No that's that's one lesson we learned and you know and then you just change or you don't change any keep running or you just understand and listen to your body and you want to stand okay you need to change and that's what we

did and and during that change you know I met these people on the beach again and it started talking about Bitcoin and at a certain moment in Bali this friend of mine calls me and he's like DDD you still own your bitcoins and your documents but you still have them I say yeah man but I'm on

the beach I'm enjoying this sunset I haven't got to go my kids are playing and I'm not going to touch leopard or check the bitcoins you get persuading me man check them check them so in the evening we checked them and we saw that you know Bitcoin was slowly going up it was already around

eighty eight hundred dollar at that point or something and and we were like wow you know when I started reading up in the in the internet again and I saw the community growing and I saw all the things that I believed in in two thousand thirty already when I had my companies I started mining bitcoins

so I had an experience with bitcoins but because of the crash in two thousand forty and you know I lost all the trust in it I was like yep that's uh that was a good yeah that was a good try but we lost some money there and yeah yeah and now certainly this community was growing again and

yeah with which made my wife and I just discussed live and how we were happy with just the travel and a few backpacks you know materialism and then we just decided let's go home let's sell everything we have an invested in Bitcoin and let's see what happens very ballsy very very ballsy

but it's paid off it sounds and you know what it is it seems ballsy to people and that that are still running off of the money you know but if if money doesn't isn't that important anymore to you then it's not that big of a bet you know that's true you can always rely on the

knowledge in your head on your tellings or whatever and if if if this bet goes wrong just start over again just as you like to finish school you start it you search a job you find this new job you just start working you make some living and then after three months you go to a bank and you say

can I get a mortgage again and you buy a house again and it's it's what is the bet you know it's true it's just the fear that people can never get back what what he gave up and was it was it for you when you started learning about Bitcoin and you started to understand it

could you see straight away that this could be the revolution that I and I think most people on our Bitcoin Twitter envisage or was it just you thought you know this is something that's going to make money and you know or did you straight away just go wow this can change the world now during the

period in 2013 that I started mining and it was just for me to become a filthy rich because of that but the thing that this guy told me if you start me mining Bitcoin she can become a millionaire and at that point in life I was still you know running after after becoming a millionaire so that that

is why I started of course I understood the revolution and but for me at that point it was becoming rich and disrupting the banking system nothing yeah no and and and then during the time afterwards you you you educate yourself by reading up and the forms and everything and then you start

understand how big the social economic shift will be after because of Bitcoin and then you will understand that it's now able for anybody in the world just to send and receive one euro with a telephone without anyone stopping you you know without anyone being able to stop you and and then

you then you understand the power of Bitcoin then you understand that what happened in Greece and in Cyprus in 2014 you know that the bank accounts from poor people have got frozen or that were limited to get 60 years every day that can never happen to Bitcoin so because of all those economic

strange things that happened in that period you know you get you get education and then you understand real need and then and then you get then then you shift from your opinion of just becoming a millionaire to wow this is really going to this is really going to change the world and

it's changing the world it already has changed a lot it is yeah it feels like it's still such early stages but to the people who understand I think we can we can see where this could go and it's going to be massive it's just going to be and it's exciting for me I just feel every day when

I'm involved in this yeah you know if you make money it's lovely but to be involved in something that can change the world in a positive way I think when I'm on my debt bed I think I've been involved in something that was important and then that's the most exciting bit to be involved in

changing the world in a positive way yeah and then that is exactly what it's doing and of course the media at first saw it not that positive but that's the same thing the media said in the 90s about the internet you know that would not be a positive change that would just be for money

long-range and I would just be for sex and online you know all that stuff and and and during the time everybody honest that the internet was not going anywhere and it became the most important thing in life you know nobody can even live almost without you there anymore you know no telephone

will go away from over we won't be making this zoom call you know it's all that that all changed in like 20 30 years so now we have this new revolution of blockchain you know which is also comparable with the change internet made now we have blockchain and one of the products is Bitcoin

and we have been now the first 10 years and so the next 10 20 years will make the same shift that the internet made in 30 years people will understand yeah absolutely yeah and it's it's it's really important that people understand that it's not going to happen in one day you know just

I always compare with my grandparents you know you they were used to go into the bank building and then they were used to ask this cashier for money and then they signed this paper you know and then they received the money and then suddenly this this bank tells those old people at that point

now you need to go with a spastic art into this machine and you can get money it took it took minimal five years I think for my grandparents to trust that machine you know they always just and simply into the building to get their cash and now those people are asked to understand

is this a revolution of money so yeah that will take time but absolutely your if you have kids your kids my kids you know they understand already what the digital currency is they play game they earn tokens they sell tokens they sell avatars for tokens you know for them it's just normal it's

natural it's natural they are going up with it it's not true nobody's no kids they won't leave you they you need to do it I think if the babies are born now you need to take them to a museum to see cash money yeah it's true it's only it is true only eight percent of all the money around

in the world is physical cash money it's only eight yeah zero is nothing no the same change in you mean it's the same change we had we were proud of our budget builder the Germans who call it the Dutch mark the Spanish were part of the pazeta it took them one month for everybody

to be changed into euro every big machine cigarette machine to accept euro so as they only needed one month then you know for changing the whole world all europe into accepting europe now they don't they don't even need to meet that big of a step now it's not yeah it'll be quick it'll be quick it'll

be in I think in now and five years time the the government will send a letter to the people at home okay we are you create this new digital currency the Dutch golden or the euro and you get one month to time to uh transit your cash money exchange your cash money into digital

money that's the trick you know that's how they get rid of all the people that have uh still and the cash and they just cash money that's how they are going to do it it's a it's one big plan and my opinion so I would agree with that when we go back to you're on the beach you have your

precaution coke you're with your family you're enjoying life and you get you find out that you've you know bitcoin is doing what you thought it could do and you say to your wife right I want to sell everything how did that conversation go because there's such a big such a big move was it just

both of you went right you want to do it or did it take some convincing or you know how how did that go how did that go it was it was on uh I will never forget it was in slim and yak beach and we was really doing this because he coke and I just started talking to my wife about life you know

and and my wife already was a little bit more zen always than me I was like little more happy with normal stuff I was the one who also always needed like you know to top it off with the biggest bottle of bell over there or a bigger car you know all that stuff yeah and for her it was of course

the first I reaction was like what all into bitcoin you know there was machines we sold because there was not enough profit in 2014 and what is it exactly now what you want to do and but we all quickly started to to the conversation to turn it into like but let's do it for the kids

you know let's not create those naturalistic monsters we have in the past that's educator kids in becoming human beings that love to live live and how do you do this the only way to educate your kids into love to live live is to lead by example I can read a book I can show them pictures

I can show them a movie about different style of living but they won't believe it though you do it they always follow their parents when they are so the only way we could you know keep our kids from becoming let's exaggerate those naturalistic monsters we were it's showing them a different

way so and that was for my wife the big step from like okay yeah let's do it let's try it of course you know it's still it's still a big step if you or if you then you fly home and you still don't realize what you're going to do and then you are put your house itself of bitcoins and then you

realize oh we have all this furniture we're going to sell off of bitcoins and then you come to the most important point of the women they have all 100 pair shoes yeah so you're 100 shoes then it becomes real and at that point when it became real it of course it gets it creates a little

little bit of tension you know this is an excitement what are we going to push and so now is this all this money going to into you know crack it into Bitcoin and then you just do it and then you will notice no if nothing changed yeah you live on a camp spot you are living on a camping

place and and and and I need to say we were also lucky because at that point the media found out so we were born by the media so you don't get the time to think about the thing you did yes you just become part of this rollercoaster in the media and interviews and they fly from America from

Australia from Ukraine from all over the world between flying to this camp spot to film us and again to do so you get in you get into a new style of life so you don't think about it did I do good did I do wrong I started trading at the bull run everything was going up so it it it yeah it just

grew in a natural way into becoming this Bitcoin family and and we still realize we yeah we just followed our guts you know our feeling or you just felt it's time to change life and we are happy with this two backpacks so why why wouldn't I change it and of course you can

we took we discussed about okay if we have that money we can put it on a bank account and then we can keep it on this bank and we can travel a long time for of this money but we were like nah that's not what we want you know we want to support this revolution we want to show

our kids that that no this is going to change the world and so that's yeah it really was not that difficult with my wife she's now sitting next to me she's listening do I need to say something more

well that sounds it sounds like you found the one there then that's amazing for someone to sit by your side and go through that because I don't think so many people would just go yep I'm going to support your dream and be part of it and I've looked on you guys website and it looks

like your family is very very happy I think a lot of people can take a leaf out of that book because but you say it's not about money and it's not about materials it's uh it's about experiences and spending time with your family and it seems like you've nailed it you know what it is it I think

everybody can nail it and of course I need I'm very you know I realize really that that I was lucky that I have a supporting life that didn't say oh no I'm not going to sell my 70 period of shoes or I'm not going to say you know she was like yeah let's do it let's just change life and

let's make it an adventure we didn't know at that point we were still normal a normal family with school going kids with all the stuff you know all the friends and all the things and all the you were a taxi club almost I was over the taxi bar you know the kid one game to sport

get to go to tennis you know we were running at normal life it wouldn't have been for that step that we had this adventure now almost for four years you know it just became one big adventure just because one single change of mindset that's exactly what I feel like the people are laughing

at the moment we have all been fed up in the 90s you know and in the 90s we are all taught to be these much less of monsters of accumulating wealth it's it's just a simple mindset about it that you know the wealth is not lost when you sell all your materialistic stuff and that's what

people don't understand that's what people don't understand from what I can tell you guys are trying to teach others you're trying to spread this word that you know what we're talking about now how's that being received when you're traveling and you're speaking to people and teaching people

about bitcoin are you finding that people are waking up yeah we definitely definitely people are waking up definitely they are seeing and what bitcoin is doing now because you know they also follow the mass media news and they you know they also read the newspaper and then they also read

that that 40 German banks now want to be part of bitcoin and you only want to make it possible for people to buy bitcoin with their bank account you know they they also hear that Wall Street is now stepping into bitcoin and you also the nest egg you know there's so more and more people

hear bitcoin in the daily day so it's getting more easy so the thing we try to educate people now is that bitcoin is not only the elderly common millionaire you know the truth fundamentals of bitcoin nobody can take it from you everybody is allowed to use it all those things we try to

educate people on that so it every year it's different but last year I think I did 15 speaking events from Las Vegas to Amsterdam to Spain to Turkey and we traded 75 youtube videos ourselves I participated in about 20 other youtube shows and they got about 20 podcasts so we just

accepted this role as bitcoin family and i hope we can you know educate as much as most people by doing it because we tried you know we we just tried to not accept this role like we were then into the beach and Thailand we are like not you're not going to talk to media

but they kept hunting us down they even flew over to Thailand they make a documentary there and that was the point that we looked at each other and we said let's just accept live go with the flow we already agreed not to say no to everything alive it started to year

that's the thing a lot and let's just see what happened you know and now it turned into this bitcoin family thing and i will be able to do this tour and and and it was a very busy year last year so now we are in Thailand just for two months to to take it easy but even here it's not possible

we want to take it easy the moment i run into this resort and all crypto people come together and they recognize you and you want to have a chat with you and you know it's and that's how it goes it's how it goes i guess that uh it's maybe sometimes it's nice to have a break from it though

it sounds like it's pretty full on for you you know what it is people that see the instagram and see the videos and you know i that's also what i want to travel people out of them it's not only beauty when you live a traveling digitally know man life and it's a family life we also have

ups and downs kids have days that they are like man again they're sunset man again into the sea again into this pool yes they are the same at home sometimes they love life at home sometimes they hate it sometimes they have good friends some they have bad friends so nothing changes

the only thing would change is that you travel and that it makes it a little bit more lighter and to accept those ups and downs because you are watching a sunset or a palm tree you know or it just gives you a bit better vibe and a better energy but but still it's it's it's not always

easy and you know although the skip is 14 and the second is 12 and the third is nine so they are not going to school so you need to educate them as well so our days are just like just normal yeah not normal family but crazy days are ahead every time yeah yeah with that with the schooling

stuff i mean that must have been quite a big change for the kids i assume they they love it because i hated school there was nothing i could think of better than walking out of those gates and never looking back but a big change for them it was a huge change and you know that that was also

what made the first one a half year pretty difficult for us because you know we we didn't only change from this metallic family to this minimalistic family but also from a schooling family to an unschooling family and then at the same time also being bombed to this bitcoin family so there was a

lot of you know things going on in our family so it was not easy for them but they are growing into it now and and they just they just understand that we think different about school they understand that there are moments during our travels that we educate them we visit the temple we educate them

it isn't an elephant we educate them we visit people on the south of france we educate them you know so and it's it's it's just that life becomes an education instead of the books but it is not always easy because as a parent you're a teacher and the parent and you know that yeah that's not

the most easy task so now we found since like a month or three four five something the kids joined this galileo online school and yeah we we found out about it by this mutual friend Daniel yeah from daniel no friends yeah and tickets not it they like it they check in every day a few

minutes like 20 minutes and then just teaching teaches them stuff we can't teach them you know and and and that's really cool so we found a beautiful mix of unschooling and self-schooling and like practical life schooling and I think that's the the most important thing to create that

it's it's a mix it's not just only classrooms and books it needs to be some meditation it needs to be some yoga it needs to be shown you're programming or whatever the kid loves to do and not only what a teacher thinks the kids should know yeah well it's real life then isn't it you know you're

experiencing real life rather than stuck inside four walls and reading a textbook that's 35 years old it's uh most of it's very outdated it's uh it seems like a more more natural and real way to to learn yeah and I think people you know I think the schooling system should

start to focus more on the positive things in life instead of like you know every everybody that I grew up in the Netherlands was like schooled about the second world war and the first world war and all those negative experiences and I'm doing yeah people and I'm like man educated about the

history that had changed the world educated about internet for that internet change they've changed the whole world and you know and those things are not the kids are just not prepared for the future you know the kids are prepared for the past and then it's exactly what we don't want for our kids

we want to prepare them for the future and not for the past you know it's that that's not used the world will be centralized and the world is changing I don't have to own a car anymore I can lend you know I can lend the car all over the world I don't need to own a bike anymore I can

go to every big city in world use an app on my iPhone scan a bike drive it from A to B drop the bike there and walk you know it's you don't need to own stuff anywhere in the future and that's what you need to prepare the kids work the world is decentralized the world is changing the world is

changing into the centralized sharing economy and it's going to be on top of that it's going to be disrupting the whole financial system into this decentralized currency system where the people we are used to have that have control are losing a little bit of the control so we just hope that we

do the the right thing for the kids and we add prepared and good for the future and you you never know if you do right and then I don't think you can do wrong you know one kid wants to be an artist and the other one maybe once once become you know a school teacher or whatever it's always

possible everything is possible in life I think I think so I think you're right there there I had one question is non-Bitcoin related I saw on your Twitter on your bio you have location set to earth or matrix is that something you believed you believe we might be in a simulation do you

have a sort of a theory on this I saw that and I thought I have one of my best friends believes this and I just thought I had to ask I think you know and I think we all create our own lives so and if it is a if it is that far that there will be an avatar of our imagination and that we are

living this imagine his life as an avatar without even noticing that we are this avatar you know then maybe I don't know but I do know that we are all connected I do understand that everything is connected in life and I do understand you know I also read all those books you know I read the

secret and all those you know the law of attraction books and all that stuff I did I did I do last time many times so I I do think that I know that no for sure that we are all connected and you can just you know attract positive vibes by thinking positive by being positive so in that way you can

see it as a matrix you know you just decide how your life looks and that's the same as you play like FIFA 98 that's my time of FIFA you know if I play FIFA 98 that is what this striker is doing I decide how I'm defending the idea safety control yes it's a physical controller but I think it's

the same in life you know you can take control of your own life and steer your life in the way you want to steer it and if that is possible so who is there to tell me that we are not just like an indeed like evidence of this bigger energy or imagination I don't know maybe we are even a game

of the aliens you know they are playing the control and we are just yeah people from FIFA 89 I don't know I just love to read about all that stuff and I love to compare all the of all the all the things because what I do know is that we have been lied to for many years what I do know that all

the education that is giving me is not based on the truth yes so many things that have been proven that it's just not true that you know you need to start questioning meaning things and I think that's what we show the case question everything question yeah things were granted think about it

for yourself if people tell you you cannot land an airplane on the south or the north or because there's a huge hole which is the entrance to the inner earth you can't believe it or you can go there and investigate it and if you go there and investigate it then you know for sure and if you

just read the book of Admiral Byrd's diary and he tells you yeah there is a hole and the diner sounds live so in the inner earth if you have never seen the book seen the boom so I question everything you know it's it's well it's healthy but yeah like you say at school you're asked not

to question just to remember and be told and it's uh it's definitely not for our benefit is it there is this huge test in the in the Netherlands it's called the situ test and this is the test every kid's need to do with this swap the result and one year there was this question there was a picture

of an uh how do you say that English iglo like an s-loop yeah so this picture was there and then the question was which color belongs to this iglo is it blue or is it red so a lot of kids ounce of blue because blue was cold but they were also kids that ounce of red because you go into

iglo to get a warm what is the correct answer you know and that that's the thing that I think you know if you never question things and you take this answer blue for granted yeah you just never educate yourself you just become this robot it's very good in memorizing stuff which isn't so useful

with them you mentioned earlier ayahuasca it's something I've been thinking about for a long time a friend of mine did it because they had anxiety very badly and I suffer badly from anxiety as well and I've been doing a little bit of research into it and and whether it's something

that can help is it something that you found was really beneficial you know for me it was really beneficial and I think it's beneficial for everybody if you if you have a big fear of letting go of your big problems with letting go ayahuasca won't do anything for you know I I advise to many people

and many people say online yeah it's like a kind of a drug and it's like this yes you can say this but did you try it no but I read about it you know and then I sent some people to ayahuasca and they had the beautiful experience I had we were like wow did it just change my life and it

really changed the lives completely and some people that were really you know they had problems with letting go because you go on this floor you drink a tea you lay down you need to relax and then you get into this this this trip we call up yeah there were people that didn't even get into

this trip just because of the fear of letting go you know and so that was the proof for me that it's not a drug because a drug you know if you use a drug you get into it there is no way of stopping it so for me ayahuasca is something very spiritual it needs to be done by a proper shaman and it will

just restore your whole mind and it will open up the problems you had in your past and make you go through with them and you know make you understand what happened and will give you this new experience of life and how the world is connected it will change your life the first time I did it was like

I was it was mind-blowing I I it was just there are so many things I can give you an example for example so I was always working at home so I was always working in the laptop laptop and working with working and my kid came to me while I was working dad when I asked no I'm working but

that no I'm working but that I said man shut the fuck up I'm working you know you know that people are stressed and work situations so if you take that situation in ayahuasca it's translated in this you're in this ayahuasca trip then you zoom out and you see yourself sitting working in an

eagle eye view and you see your kid walking up to you and asking you bad and you see your exact reaction you know and then you crawl you fly into your kid's eyes and you see yourself sitting from your kid's perspective wow and you see and then you see your reaction please fuck off I work it

and then at that point you feel the pain that kid felt at that moment you feel that your kid thought at that moment oh does that find this computer more important than me wow you know of course it can be you this feeling is being printed in your brain will never ever do that like that again you

know because you want to ask is that can I take a drink from the fridge and only if you have taken a split second yeah you could have been working in that so ayahuasca translates it's in in this visual effects for me with this programming of your mind and yet for me it's yeah for me it

changed a lot in my attitude it changed a lot in losing your ego it changed a lot in the way you look at life so yeah this is what you mean I guess by this connectivity then if it means that you can see the world through the the eyes of your own child then there's this sort of connected world

like we are all wow that must have been quite an experience as if those memories are all stored in one big cloud of energy and you can go back into them and children but you know I think we all know that it is possible because people go to a shrink they don't do the same you know the

shrink just makes you remember things from the past you know of psychiatrists how you call it you know and and this is what ayahuasca does as well but I want to those of ayahuasca like six hours you know it's comparable with like 60 treatments by a scientist yeah if you ask me do it and you will

see how it can change your life in a beautiful way and it's not that you're a drug cop or all that stuff with people saying yes some people need to puke some people make the ship I'm a shitty person so I always go to the top of that it's it's not that you're totally gone you you're laying

down and if you open your eyes you're out you can stand up you can go have a class of father or go to the toilet and you go back you lay down again you can also rise you hear the music and then go back into beautiful and yeah beautiful journey you're making and yeah it's beautiful and it can

also be painted let's be honest it's in a positive way well sometimes you need to see those painful times to move on and change don't you I guess I think it's needed for some people and because people have bad experiences in life or miss abuse or whatever and then you need to go through that

pain again but also you can see and you know understand why for example the person that heard it you watch it why you heard it you know that there was no mean intention maybe it was a drunk guy or whatever you did so all those things it gets sort of a place and what makes you or

what makes you what makes it able for you to move on yeah yeah it sounds maybe it sounds a little bit spooky all but you know people already did it now and it's getting popular I still have this domain how you ask up for all that come and yeah I was to come yeah I tend to create a form on this

one where you know people can rate the shaman the location and all that stuff so that people feel more safe about certain locations in certain people yeah that's a nice idea that's a great idea because it is a little bit of a scary you know you don't know who you're dealing with and you don't

know where you are and I think if you have a review like you say you feel more secure and more safe yeah that's a nice idea but I'm searching for somebody that will help me with this because I'm too busy now to create the website and all that stuff but there's somebody will pop up maybe after

your show yeah exactly well I'll put it in the show notes anyway and yeah if anyone reaches out I'll pass them over to you so did you listen I'm conscious I don't want to take too much of your time and deal with your family so I just had one more question for you if you're to look 20 years into

the future when your children are grown up and they're adults and going about their lives and have jobs what future is it that you would like to see and and is it something that you think bitcoin can create for them where do you see bitcoin taking this world 20 years from now all right that's a

very big question and you know and and and I need to be honest I think bitcoin is just such a little part of what is going to happen in the next 20 years you know and bitcoin will be the shift in the monetary system so I think in 20 years time we will have the decentralized currency that is

used all over the world by everybody and everybody has that that point access with her phone or with her watch or even with her lens at that time you know in 20 years time and I don't think that also will be walking around with hardware wallets or telephones it will be different at that time

I think and but then it's only that you know that that's only the change in the market but the world is changing you know we see the climate change is maybe in 20 years time and I even read and talk to people about that that every 11,000 years you know the the north and the south pole are being

like shifted like 90 degrees that would mean that the Thailand and Indonesia would be the north pole and I would be the south america somewhere would be the south pole that would be the climate here would be freezing and then the Netherlands would be Mediterranean so I think the next one year

will be an exciting time I think a lot of changes will will be seen but I do know in 20 years times we are not using physical money anymore that that's that's something I'm like 2,000 percent sure of that moment nobody will be running around with golden bricks to you know scrap of gold to pay

it yeah that's all going to be gone you know in 20 times years we will have that technology that we can mine gold in the oceans we can mine gold in other planets the value of gold in my opinion is that if that's why I don't think the value of gold is that important anymore because if we

find out that we can mine gold on the planets or on the oceans and it is like a shitload of gold what does it do to the value of gold you know and that's what I see I see the governments I see the gangs I see even all slowly understanding the power of Bitcoin the fixed supply of 21 million

bitcoins the last Bitcoin will be mine in 2,140 so they know you can control the system if they just believe and understand and that's what's only is happening you know and in return of this they need to get back some privacy to us and I think yes a big thing we are going to see in the next 10 years

is like we are getting back more privacy because we are now on the top of no privacy we have zero privacy yeah absolutely completely clear and that's what they what you can see in China now with a social system no people are even not able to leave China if they don't have enough social points

it's scary it is scary this is like this episode of black mirror you know where people are getting a lot of points but you know we need to accept it slowly we are turning into that we need we let our children turn into those people as well and in China for example they just do it they just

say we have the social system you need to do it but what do we in Europe do we get our kids and they get to Facebook to do not get social media things where they think they are important when they get a lot of followers yes more lives the more good I am so in a certain way it's also a

social media prison that is you know we are growing our kids up into and there you know I think the government for example Facebook and I was like 10 times more than all governments do combine yes my kids and all the things we do you know yeah I think Bitcoin will be also very important

for this shift in privacy because that's the only way that I can transact in a private way without us so privacy freedom to the yeah everything comes with cycles at the beginning you're afraid of this of sharing yourself on Facebook and you know and then it grows and it

grows and then you're like okay now I can even share this photo of me and those persons together and then you can even share a photo of you of yourself naked and you know it goes through a cycle and now Facebook is integrated in everybody's life but it will come in time that people are

also fed up with it and that they are searching for you know decentralized applications that don't sell all your habits to a lot of big companies you know and that do make it possible for you to look back in time a lot of people use social media so they can look back to last year was

the pictures they made you know then you can create this history of your life this this timeline of your life and I think that's the positive part but it should be it should be possible to keep it private and not controlled by any other central company that can do whatever they

want with your data absolutely no that sounds like a beautiful world and I very much hope for that so let's hope we're right let's hope we're right let's hope like 10 percent of it come out don't we are happy yeah that's it exactly what did he like said thank you so much for doing this call

with me it's been really really nice to speak to you and my listeners will learn a lot and I will be linking all of your information and the show notes and where if people want to get in touch or want to find you where's where's the best place is it Twitter or have you got somewhere else

which is yeah they can find me on the bitconfamily.com or yeah I think bitconfamily.com or did it try who to come they can find all my stuff and they will find all the links to Instagram to Facebook to Twitter or even have a how do you call this again is it TikTok or something with a bit

oh TikTok yeah yeah we don't use it much but we yeah we are okay they google the bitcon family they will always find us so fantastic all right and I'll put all the links in there yeah perfect I want to thank you for having me on the show and I wish you a lot of success with all the next show

and please do let me know when it goes live and so I can share it and I will to all people all right fantastic thanks DD and have a nice evening thank you very much bye bye bye bye