EP14 Bitcoin podcast with Bruce Stewart

Welcome back to the bit by bit podcast. In today's episode, I spoke with Bruce Stuart at Bitcoin Walking on Twitter. Bruce walks 20 to 25 kilometres a day while listening to podcasts, many of them Bitcoin podcasts and his Twitter is a fantastic source to find some of the best articles, news and podcasts in the

space. If you're not already following Bruce, I suggest you do and I'm going to link his Twitter in the show notes. I've only been doing the podcast a short amount of time. I've got to speak to some amazing people and what's really struck me is, although a lot of us are separated by age, background and borders,

there seems to be a common theme. Whenever I speak to other people who are excited about Bitcoin and its potential to change the world, these people seem to have a nose for bullshit and to care deeply about freedom. I really enjoyed chatting to Bruce and I hope you enjoy listening. How are you Bruce?

Sorry. I'm talking to myself. Can you? I'm talking to anyone. Can you hear me all right? About 110%. How are you today, Bruce? Oh, wonderful. It's nice and warm, of course. In Brisbane? In Brisbane, yes. It's cold and wet and

rainy here in London. Yeah, we've got storms over here. Yeah, what are we? February. So I still wintertime, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, still wintertime, but it's all right. Okay, I'm just looking at our screen as well here.

All right. So, Bruce, thank you. I thought today because you've done for any of my listeners, Bruce has already done an interview with a mutual friend of ours, Daniel Prince, and he's the host of the Once Bitten Podcast. So to get a full history and backstory on Bruce and all about his life, definitely check that

one out because it was, I really enjoyed that one. It was a fantastic interview. Was that your first one you've done? Yes, very much so. It was. I don't go out there advertising myself. Can someone come and interview me, please? Because I'm good.

Yeah, but no, it was a time in your life. Exactly. Supposed? Exactly. But for everyone who doesn't know and hasn't yet listened to that interview, Bruce, I found you on Twitter and Bruce walks, is it 20, 25 kilometers every day? Not every day, but we'll say just about every day because sometimes, sometimes,

ah, maybe that's better. Yeah, that's better. I can hear you better now. Yeah, yeah, well, I used to put the microphone in front of your lips. Is that what it was? Well, that's what I've been told. But then I'm so loud that on most of my interviews,

then I end up having to edit it because I'm too loud for it. So I try and push it a little bit back now, but I mean, you can do that in the editing. We want to get. Yeah. So the players, all the different players can, um, can work properly. Um, yes. So most days we walk, um,

20 to 23, but if it's raining like heavy, of course, I'm checking out. I don't go down again. I don't know. Umbrella works, but not these stormy, stormy times. And one thing with Brisbane Queensland in Australia, you have a lot of times they're just not like London or

something. It'll rain, but then the rain goes away and you'll find clear breaks and periods. Like last week, I went out a couple of different days and going real well. And there was about 15 minutes to go in. It really poured down. I had my umbrella, but it poured down that much

that the umbrella blew inside out and broken, but that's, and I got wet. But of course, it's 27 to 28 degrees sometimes. And it's not a, it doesn't matter. You're not going to freeze the death for that. No time. Yeah. But it's sporadic. A friend of mine from Melbourne, when I went

that, they said, uh, if you don't like the weather in Melbourne, stick around 10 minutes. Yeah. Well, let's see Melbourne compared to Brisbane. It's like two different worlds. Yeah. As well. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Like crazy place there. Yeah. Sorry, Melbourne. Yeah. I quite

enjoyed it when I was there, but I wasn't there too long. But visiting and yeah, a lot of people love it. Yeah. Yeah. It was great. So when you're on your walks, Bruce, you listened to, and this is how I found you on Bitcoin Twitter is when you go on these walks, you listen to all these different

Bitcoin podcasts. And then you kindly share them. Yeah. Lots. And what is it that? I mean, it's, it must be, what is it? Three podcasts a day or something you must be listening to. You're going through them at quite some rate. Yeah. About six sometimes. Oh, really?

So I run down. Um, we, um, so I should like give you the daily schedule. So, um, yeah, go on. Let's have a listen day in the life of Bruce. The daily schedule. Um, yeah. Where should I start? Oh, yeah, I did some. So lots of times I will probably wake up a lot of times at four or five in the

morning. I am. And I'll, um, fire up the computer, not me, not me phone, the desktop computer. And I'll get on Twitter and have a look, see what's going on there and check the price of Bitcoin, which doesn't really matter, but you do it just have it. Yeah. So I can comment sometimes on it.

Now I'll do some Twitter scroll through there, some research, search something, make some comments, because this is what I like to do. All this thing is an experiment anyway for me just to see what happens. And then I'll go back to bed for a couple of hours and, um, then rise about seven,

20 sort of thing and get dressed, have a wash and get dressed in that. And I try and leave here at seven 30 a.m. And go for a walk, which takes a, um, 60 minutes ago for a walk for an hour. I have a track worked out that takes, it takes me in an hour. So I can get an hour and 10 minutes sometimes.

So I can get back about quarter to nine that gets me back here. And so I can, um, prepare and serve Joshua. I have a 48 year old son who I look after, um, who I care for as a medical condition. So I get him his breakfast and, um, I'm a full time carer for him. Um, he doesn't need a lot of caring as

not as though it's a hands on job every 10 minutes sort of thing. And we'll, we'll leave that there sort of thing. And no, given his breakfast, and of course, naturally, I do mine as well in the same timeframe that takes us into like nine 30 10 o'clock. And I do some computer work

like searching, listing, some stuff. And I, I, um, and a lot of the times I, um, go into Twitter and, and then put my tweets up through my desktop, not, not a way through my phone. I'll do it. A lot of, a lot of the stuff by desktop. If you see an image come up on Twitter

of me and I'm on the road. So I think that comes through my, my smartphone, my iPhone. Yes. I do it while I'm on the road. But lots of times I will do it through the desktop. And, um, and then I try and then time goes around a bit. Depends what we're doing and that.

And I aim for 11 30 a.m. in the day, 11 20 11 30. Sometimes it gets the 12 o'clock because Joshua and I will have a chat about what's going on during the day because he, and he has, um, stocks he invests in stocks on the share market on an Australian share market. He's, he's, he does

shares and then 11 30 are trying to get out of here and make sure his drinks are up. You know, he's got something to drink his drinks are up always and that sort of thing. And then I'll get out on the road and this is my big walk. And this one can be something like 10,

11 12 case kilometers. Wow. And like two and a half, two and a half hours type thing. You must be fit as a fiddle Bruce. Oh, could be. I don't know. I don't think I walk that in a week. You bet you're not old enough yet. Sorry.

I probably didn't at your age either. Keeps keeps you young. I was able to hop in a truck or a car or whatever. So everything was busy and not everything was so important. I think everything was in a hurry and because, you know, the end of the world was coming and you

had to be busy. Yeah. Yeah. I'll get that. Um, you know, I'll listen to podcast on the big walk. And some of the time I might listen to three, four, five or six podcasts, but I'll only post up about three. During the day, I'll post up while I'm on the road. A lot of times in my mid day

podcast, I'll post up. Now it'd be wonderful if I was able to remember them all and remember a lot of things from them. So I could take notes and that sort of thing. I'd been approached by a person. Are you able to take notes? And it was too hard for me to walk at all. Anyway, um,

well, out when you're walking, I can't think of taking notes as easy as it. Well, I was an idea, you know, like, you know, you've got to, I have an open mind with things and we never know until you try and things could work out and all that. Just for an example, um, I, um, so I've got a,

on my phone, I've got an audio, like a press, just record your voice while you, while you're walking or anything like that. So I do that sometimes a midday might come along and say, I'm on my midday walk and it's Wednesday, the 20th of February, which it's not yet. Uh, and I'm listening to, who this guy called Mac Bybit, that podcast.

Oh, don't listen to that one, Bruce. That's terrible. Wonderful. Actually, that's one of my regular ones anyway. Oh, really? That's nice to hear. Um, and then there might be something I want to like is links mentioned or something's mentioned and I want to be on a, I'm getting to a point here.

I want to research it when I get back home later and I can replay the recording. So I'll try this about two weeks ago. It might be three weeks ago. And you know, I've never been able to clear that deck. I've cleared about four or five of them and I've got them all backed up and stacked up

against each other. I've never, so I've got to, so it gets to a stage where I'm, I'm, I'm retired. I know that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know where the time goes. No, I wouldn't, I couldn't have a job because I wouldn't then haven't got time to even go to work. Yeah, it's that Bitcoin rabbit hole

it will get. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, I, um, I do that. Yeah. I listen to, um, let's work in progress. So I'm, I want to sort of prioritize my time and see if I can like, it's interesting. We all have the same, like Elon Musk's has the same amount of time as I have. Like, so what does he do different than I do

other than got a few more brain cells, but I don't think he sleeps, does he? We all have the same amount of time. I know he's, uh, he's an incredible man. That guy just how he does it. Yeah, a lot of people might like him and all that. But I think if you're looking for aliens on, on the surface,

I mean, he's one, you know, this is, these people, people don't realize it. Yeah. They're just in human form. It's a, it's their mind is different than our minds. Yeah. Oh, completely. Completely. He's just incredible. And this is what we have. I mean, and Jeff Bezos as well. And, you know, he, um,

we, um, I'll listen to some of his stuff that he talks about. And, um, and he, yeah, he just tries things lots of times. I have, um, some commentary about what he said and all that. And I might have been put on Twitter on the face. But anyway, so that's lunch. Then I'll get back at lunchtime. So

I'll be quarter two 50 because I do shopping. It's quite interesting. I go to the shop just about daily on a daily basis. I don't drive to the shop. I walk all the time to the shop. And it was it's quite interesting. I go to the shop to pick up some groceries or food items and things like that.

And so my trick to the shop can be six K's or 12 K's. You see, or else if I do a shortcut, it would take me 15 minutes. Go around a long way. See, that's a good idea. Yeah. That's a long way with your bags. It's a, well, the only, I mean, as we have a saying in our

household that, um, we don't need many cup, a lot of cupboards. Our cupboards is up the shop. That's where we keep our stuff, our goods and products and store, store it in the, in the, in the cupboard that's already up there and get it at a daily, daily, daily time, you know,

and you just pay for it then. Yeah. It makes sense. And pay for the storage. Yeah. Yeah. That's smart. Yeah. And then I do, I'll do, um, Joshua's lunch, sandwich and salad sandwich and that and, um, and do mine as well. And then that after lunch, we try and stay awake and persevere and then we do

a bit of stuff. And then the next walk will be something like five, 15 or six or five, 30, my evening walk, um, which I didn't, for his example, I didn't do today because I had to go and, um, pick up my cat from the bed, my child, my cat, pussy cat. Because he's all right. Yeah. He had a,

yeah. He had an injury, but he had a fight. He's only got, he's missing your front leg as anyway, as it is, but he's flippin, he's not backward and coming forward. Uh, he's got an attitude because he lost his leg, leg and then he was thrown out of a car and we got him as a, from a rescue place.

So that's where he's got his attitude. Probably got pissed off chip chip chip on his shoulder. Yeah. And he must have been in a fight. We have two other cats, but there wasn't there. There are other two cats was in a unit complex, big unit complex where there must have been

someone we found someone else. But anyway, he had one of those grazers on him and they sort of had a bit of, they get a bit of fuss in there. Anyway, long story short, he got cleaned up today and all that in. And can you pay us $500? Thank you very much. And we're all happy. Yeah.

So I have a wind you about that for a second, but I mean, it's only money. What the hell? Yeah. Well, when it's, when it's your animals, they're your family, aren't they? Yeah. That's part of my family now. Um, yeah. And, um, so that sort of interfered. I had to pick him up at, um, good at

the six. So that sort of put the kibosh it on a little bit on the, on the walk. There was a good enough excuse as a, as an example. Yes. That's how I didn't do this evening's walk. Yeah. Um, and then we have dinner at, um, then that's the finish of the day. And we have dinner at 730.

So that's a schedule to fit in around Joshua's way. He operates his day to fit around him. So, so it sounds like at times you and Joshua are both looking at the prices of different things and you're both trading and, well, you don't trade. You're a, you're a sat stack around you. Yeah.

I only, I only, I only think about it. Yeah. Yeah. That's as far as he gets with it. Well, it might have had a dabble a couple of times, but I got not enough. Yeah. And the problem is that we have a crystal ball, but it's broken. And I really can't send it to China.

At the moment, of course they won't not taking anything in. So that's a bit of my voice on that as well. Yeah. And try to use it, but it's broken. So, you know, that's a show. Well, let me know if it ever sorts itself out. That's right. Yeah. And in our

household of to fill in the big picture that's been put on Twitter now and again, I have another son who's 33. And he's, he's, I won't go into too much history on him, but he's been trading forex for about five years now. Okay. He's had on and off. He's had his,

he's crashed a couple of times and sent him around the bend and his had to come back up again and breathe and type thing. And it's made him stronger. Yeah. Yeah. And he doesn't have a lot of money or anything, but he trades. He trades an account for Joshua. Yeah. And just keeps him just forex.

Yeah. Yeah. As you should, he's himself to Daniel. Yeah, he's himself development. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like he's full on that at the moment. He doesn't do much trading at the moment. It's full on learning, improving, educating himself in personal development. And, and as we

figured out, we have to get ourselves right first before we can do anything else. That's very true. We have everything back to front when we start things. I've actually heard, like, I've had like 17 businesses and been back for up three times. And we used to start a business. And that's,

of course, that's what you did. And if we've got about trying to be a nice person, like, I'm, as a little history, I am proud of myself at this present stage. I mean, I'm old now, older, not old, older. How old are you now, Bruce? 72 now. Yeah. Wow. And there's a lot, a lot to

happen yet. And I could, I can guarantee and say without, you know, I'm not ashamed. Like, I've been through a stage of life where I was, I was, I was also a type, like, I was a terrible person once. You know, not proud of it. But it's just how you were, like, must have saw it along the way.

I think, I think we all are sometimes, aren't we? We all are sometimes as a male. Oh, anyway, we won't go into that too much format, unless the platform I'm speaking on a loved platform or something like that, I can go into more of that history. Yeah. And I'm not even proud of certain

things I did, you know, yeah, which is a lot of things you can't do nowadays, but because of we've got these things called smartphones. Yeah. But anyway, yes. And I'm getting back to swinging right around. Yeah, I've read in Daniel's book and his history of, yeah, he was quite into

the big way. But getting back to trading, like, and forex and that mindset is without, like, most of us know, it's a lot of, a lot of its mindset and things like that. Absolutely. And getting back to me, like some people, this is a lot of fun with some, a lot of older gentlemen, older people, male,

or female, not so much female, generally, the male population has this issue that they work at a place for so long, like 40 years, 30 years or 50 years type thing. And then all of a sudden, they find themselves, there's a certain date comes along. And I mean, not my retired from different

circumstances. And they're told they can't come anymore, because on the calendar, it says you've been here, your age is X amount, like 65, depends worth country living, and you're blessed to get some countries, not all countries are like this, but in like England, you know, and you're

England and Australia and Canada, I suppose. Anyway, you get told that, you know, we don't need you anymore. You know, and that's, that can be devastating for some people, like they can't end right. Well, it's your life. They wake up in the morning and they've got no, no purpose,

nowhere to go. And they go downstairs or out of the room and look at their wife that they've had for 30 years and say, Oh, what happened to you? Yeah, come you're looking like this. Getting that age comes along. Last time I looked to give you a beautiful

I'm going to go and then they get a slap. Yeah, that's right. And then she says, well, Charlie or George, what are you doing today? Well, can you I've got a list for you? Oh, okay. Yeah. I don't know

about this listing. That's right. I remember I had this thing I was doing in the shed. I'll be back soon. And he's gone for half a day. Anyway, but serious note, that's sort of roughly what can happen. They mentally can't emotionally, mentally emotionally can't, they can't handle this. And,

and of course, if you're not emotionally stable and suffer depression can slowly creep in without your knowing. And all those chemicals in your body can play havoc with your body and cause all sorts of issues. And that's a, to me, that's a big deal at the moment for lots of people. So,

different to me, like, well, like we have history that we can look at and go back, but we do have to have a purpose when we get up in the morning. We have to, you know, have a passion. And I have it like I've wrote different notes. And we, we are working like I call this working what I'm doing.

Even though it's a passion, but we're working, we're working in the future. Like, we're not working in the past. What I'm doing is for the future going forward. And anything could happen. Nothing might happen of it, or but that's so be it. But certain things come and this has come about that

Twitter. I've met a lot of people on Twitter, you know, and like I could count the, as I say to a lot of different people, I can count my real friends on my left hand. No, right hand, I call it.

On my right hand, I'm on all my fingers. And I've had two fingers cut off on my right hand already. And I still can count my friends on my even though with two fingers, we still can count my friends.

I've got more friends on Twitter. Yeah, me too, actually. Me too. And it's wonderful. Yeah. It's like it's such a great place to meet people. And especially in, I think it's, especially with Bitcoin Twitter, because it's such a small group. And because I think most of us

think a bit differently to the average person. And we're with the outcasts a little bit. So, it's a word. There's a word for that. It's called crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, that's the perfect word. Yeah. Yeah. That's the perfect word.

I was going to say you shared something a few hours ago that I thought you were just talking about living in the future and that what you're doing is for the future. And you shared a post from Alex Gladstein. You said, you know, the one I'm talking about. So Alex Gladstein said,

there has never been a government that didn't sooner or later try to reduce the freedom of its subjects and gain more control over them. And there probably will never be one. Therefore, instead of trying to convince our current government not to try, we'll develop the technology that

will make it impossible for the government to succeed. And yeah. And I think, and like you said, yes, it is, yes, it's doing its best to stop or slow down this Bitcoin movement. Sorry. The last cause government. I think you're right. And I think is that sort of part of the reason

they're writing on the wall. Yes. They see the writing on the wall. And this is what they're doing. They have to look after themselves. They're saving their jobs. Yeah. And this is on purpose.

But as the as time passes, and after I've gone to another dimension, which I am doing, eventually, and the people come through, like there's always every 10 years, every decade, there's a new influx of minds and people in minds and and things like that. And I'll

move on. And the new come through. And the thinking, the thinking is different. Then this has been built. This has been built at the moment, a foundation of this, the foundation of thinking is being built. It's going to take a while at the moment. And it's going to rise as they

say, you know, rising tide lifts all boats and it'll be rising. I mean, 50 years, it's going to be totally different. We won't even better recognize what's going on. That's how I see it. It can be wrong. Yeah. So if you if you close your eyes and you imagine the world in in 50 years,

what do you see? Like, what do you imagine that's going to be here with this technology and with the way things are going? Because you're so deeply involved. A lot of a lot of AI, of course.

I can see could be soon. Like as I see it now, man and machine will be joined together in 50 within 50 years time. And machine will be joined together. Interesting. Like a symbiosis.

And something like that. It's not a disease either. From the neck up, there's big changes happening. If you can understand that saying, from the neck up, there's big changes happening in there. And machines will adapt around our legs, body, arms and things like that. And we'll be able to lift a

lot more heavier weights, do a lot more things and all that. And a lot of the progress will go in in the mind, brain and mind from the from the neck up. Yeah. And and there'll be no if there's mining, like say there's coal mining now, God forbid we need it anymore. But anyway, mining and things

like that, that'll be that's all be done by robots. You won't have to send people in the mines or anything like that. It's all robotic, there'll be robots to do that. Yeah. If they want to have wars, I don't know if they'll have wars, maybe I think wars could be, I don't know, they big major

wars are probably finished. There's no more. Well, maybe they won't be able to finance them if we have Bitcoin. That's the plan. No, no, the the mines will, because the mines are newer and clearer and more, you know, I'm not very academic with big words, but they'll be able to, common sense will

be a lot stronger. There'll be less, I could be wrong, there'll be less, let's say, there'll be less totalitarian governments around, organizations around, less egos, egos are battling, because we're still primitive at the moment, humans are being primitive, come a long way, but still primitive.

So, so, you know, that's, that's, and for minor conf, I can get scary, this can get scary, minor conflicts, it'll be all done by machines. Yeah, machines, but the AI and the mines that

control these machines, but somewhere along the line, like common sense prevails, like we couldn't program an AI to blow the whole world up, god forbid sort of thing. I mean, but common sense, like we know this, that we can do so much damage now, that it will, that will destabilize the

worth in the world, that it could send us back millions of years, yeah, backwards. Yeah, say, say someone got some stupid person was in the government within the next 40, 50 years, and decided to let a few of those old missiles, old gear off, like they're old, yeah, and what,

what we're going to do with them, we can't recycle them sort of thing, but let's have some fireworks and see what happens, what, what these things do, you know, but if they did fire, if you like, destabilize the whole world, it wouldn't mean anything. Yeah, I mean, the thing for power,

the fight for power, is through, through currency now, that's the way the fight from power is coming from, it will be through currency. And that's like that post I put up, I put on one on Twitter today about, I wonder if I can, yeah, it was a bit, I don't know whether you noticed it, it was about

God created heaven and the earth in six days, then rests on the seventh, but while he was resting, he created the Bitcoin white paper and delivered it through Satoshi Nakamoto and the brackets, not Craig Wright, when the world needed it, see, when that's the bit when the world needed it.

I think you're absolutely right with that. I mean, that's, that's, I know it's, I know it's tongue in cheek, but, but in terms of timing, it couldn't have come at a better time. Yeah. Yeah. And so what are we up to? That's the future. Yeah.

Nothing you want to add to that sort of thing. Well, yeah, just, just that I think your comments around things being more machine. That's only 50 years. I know. Yeah. And it's, it's accelerating all of this stuff. But do you see more? 200 years. Sorry. See the world getting more and more free

because I feel like we're on a tipping point where we either go, like you say, full totalitarian, full big brother 1984. And it goes to a point where we, we go too far and we never come back.

No, I see. Yeah. I see we go. The future is rosy. That's how I look at it. I have a lot of faith in young people. A lot of faith in young people. I mean, same old, there's a percentage of that, you know, that are a bit wonky. But that's a nice way to put it.

They're still growing. Is he, it's interesting human beings as we go through our growth, our growth, we all, we all come to realizations at different stages of our life. I used to ever saying and say to my children and one of my daughters, males, I'll pick on the male race. We never, males

generally don't grow up until I 35 with females. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's where we start. The females can start at 18, 19 and 20 because their chemical, their body has generally has to kick in and say, we want to, we want to have it. We've got to produce some children, you know, whether they

want to or not. But that's the general thing. It's the hormones that doing it, you know, and they'll go out and find a male time place sometimes. And that's the object and that's how the wheel keeps coming there. That's my thinking anyway. I'm no scholar, academic or professor or anything

like that. I don't know. I think you'd listen to, you have so much information you're taking in every day, Bruce. It definitely gets in there for sure. Oh, I've had those things that thinking, you know, for long, forever, a long time. Yeah. So outside of you, outside of your Bitcoin stuff,

what other podcasts do you listen to? Do you have sort of specific subjects or you just have, yeah, whatever stuff are you? Yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah. My lesson to start talk is the podcast that Neil DeGrasse, how have you say that? Yeah, Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Thank you very much.

I knew someone could help me. Not big on words. Let's have a look here. And of course, these are crypto ones. And where's my library? No, it is. He's great. That Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

Really, really interesting. I'll listen to everyone from the hash our eight boys, their podcast, about Bitcoin, about mining, not only other mining. Yeah, gives a lot of information in there.

BBC podcast, the documentary, it's a BBC podcast. Okay. That's something different. An Australian podcast by two ladies. Chat looks three. We'll get off my file here. But lots of...

Yeah, it's all right. Quite a variety of different podcasts. I find it difficult to get out. I've almost only listened to Bitcoin podcast now. I used to listen to loads of different stuff. But at the end of the time, you don't have the same time as... I don't

expect any other people to have the same time as I have. Yeah. So there's other... So I'm the only one that's got all this time and listen. I will probably listen to more than anyone that's walking or sitting or driving. Well, I'm glad you do because I'll quite often look on Twitter

and you'll suggest something and I'll go, "Oh, check that out." It's the seal stamp of approval from Bruce and I go, "Right. Okay. I'll have a listen." Thank you. There's a bit of a following along that line now as well. Yeah. Because they seem to... Yeah, we'll go down that track.

Yeah. And my listen to macro voices. Now that's investment podcast. And that's the only investment one I listen to because I have other investment news that comes from Joshua. So this gives me an overview of what's happening just for that side of it. Oh, listen to some of our real talk by

Zubi. Listen to a lot of his. He's from the UK, isn't he, Zubi? Yes, he is. He's brilliant. Brilliant. Yeah. Yeah. I think he's Santa or something like that. He's not too far. And of course Peter McCormick. Yeah. Yeah. He's great. He's done wonderful. Yeah. Some people sort of

get a bit of a kickback from some people, but he's doing what he's doing. He's on fire. He's doing a wonderful job. Wonderful job. Yeah, I think so. You need people like him. Ted or do listen to a bit of Ted radio air. That's from the Ted stage and it's in radio format. And they're just short

clips like 30, 20 minute podcast clips. And some of, like, and I listen to some Tony Robin stuff, just some people might like that. But I do that as well. Just to keep me level like sort of thing.

Do you find him good, Tony Robbins? Yeah, I do because I understand where he's coming from and what he's about. The people that don't like that sort of thing, a lot of people give a kickback for personal down is, is because subconsciously they feel inferior, like they feel, you know, and

that's why they, they put a blockage up. They don't want to know the truth. You see, human with us humans, we do this. Yeah. He seems to be good. A friend of mine swears by him and just says he's, he's awesome and keeps pushing me to listen and watch some of his videos and things. I just

depend on the time. No, no, it depends what you do in your, we can talk about that some other time, if you want to, what, what you do in your business and, and that sort of thing, I can sort of listen to you ramble on a bit and maybe throw some pointers out now. You'd be there all day, Bruce.

Correct. But, yeah, you know, that's, that sort of thing. But, but you have to have an open mind with stuff and, and just listen. And sometimes you listen and your mind is not open and you jump to conclusion. Human beings, we're all good at jumping at shadows. We jump at shadows all the time and,

and get the, you know, get the wrong end of the stick type thing and, yeah, and make assumptions, grisling, right? I'm not, we're not, in this household, we're not, um, what do you call it? Happiness is happiness in this household. Um, negativity is not allowed in

our household or anything like that. I think that's so important. Yeah. Um, and, um, you know, like this, um, this quote, there's a quote from Jeff Bezos. He has a quote, I've made billions of dollars of failures. Our failures are stepping stones to success.

So be bold and go out there putting those stepping stones in place. You know, those, this sort of thing. Yeah, that's why you can fail. You know, that sort of thing. All the, all the people who have succeeded, it's failure after failure after failure. And then it

goes right. Finally. And that's why I've been bankrupt three times. I've had seven in businesses and been bankrupt three times. Nothing to be proud of, but that's the history. That's the past and that's embedded in there. And that's it. You know, well, it's, it's about trying. That's the thing

about just giving it a go. So as I talk to Phillip, my support son is, I have no hesitation. I could go into, I don't, you know, I don't want to do this, but I could go into, like, to up until at the stave. And I have that belief system in there. I can go into any business and I could run

it, you know, straight off the bat, just walking in. There's certain things you analyze, you know, observe, like, observe, well, observe the business for about five days and see what's going on. And, and then do a report and come up with some something that could be running real good,

but there might be a couple of things that sometimes these couple of things can be, can be worth to the bottom line or to the overall turnover worth quite a bit. Just two things, two or three things. Because when we're in business, we can't see, you know, what's in the woods for the trees, that same sort of thing. See the trees, you know,

need a fresh pair of eyes sometimes, isn't it? Yeah. And it's, when you're in business and you've, the podcast, I mean, Bitcoin people can find this. It can be, that's why Twitter is so good.

It can be lonely. Been in business is lonely. Been a sold entrepreneur, a sold business owner. It's very lonely, you know. I had a guy that used to, in my last business that went for about nine years and went bankrupt in the end. You know, it rose. It was quite big in the end. We employed

about 46 people and that sort of thing and had two retail shops. But I had a guy that used to, of course, I used to work in it all the time, which was pretty stupid as well, but that's another story. I used to have a guy come and see me lots of different times because he had the same. He

said, Oh, I'll go around and see Bruce, because I'm a bit depressed and all that. Because once I have a talk with Bruce, I know his life is a lot worse in mine and I feel a lot better when I come away from it. We choose the fact and all that. And he figured out, Oh, I'm my business not going

so bad after all. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes you need to step back and then just realize what you have. So, Bruce, listen, I was going to say, I had another question for you. With all of what you're listening to with your Bitcoin stuff, if you're looking at it and, you

know, I think your obviously is excited as I am and you believe in this, is there one thing that worries you? Is there one thing that with all your experience in other businesses and in life, you look at what's being built and you have a concern? Yeah, I only have one worry.

Is when I pass on and leave, I won't be able to see it for the rest of time. You never know. That's how much faith I have in it. Really? Yeah. Wow. Well, that's nice to hear.

Listening to these, yes, but it's not going to be the only thing as well. A lot of people don't like that, but I'm not one of these Bitcoin maximalists that it's only Bitcoin and there's nothing else. Yes, there is only Bitcoin because it's still new. It's only 11 years old and it's still

a big giant experiment. Now, out of these big giant experiments and other experiments in going on, and I would never clue what ever is going to come along as well, there's going to be other things that rise up. Other blockchains. There's not only one blockchain. There's other blockchains.

Now, a lot of people, you know, but Bitcoin has got the jump on everything and it's got a lot of very good developers working on it and it can stay there in front. It can stay there as a leader.

As you know, in the top companies in the world, top businesses, the top thing, we have Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, just off the top of their head and Amazon. We've got all in. Yeah. When did they first start? Can you answer that?

I mean, that's like 15, 20 years ago or something. Is that a very long time? No, not really. No. Walmart's been around 100 years. No, I think you're right with that. I mean, I definitely think in terms of... The best thing,

the best thing Facebook did was present the Libra coin onto society and the US government. That was the best thing. That's one good thing that happened. Everyone has this, everyone's set up and no, that's not going to work. That's the... Yeah, but they presented something

to make people sit up and take notice. Okay. So the wheels, the brain starts turning, the cogs start turning. So now we have China wanting to have its own digital coin. A lot of other countries want to have their own digital coin. Now we could have digital coins

all over the place, like paper money, different ones. US dollar is king by a long shot and they use that as the peg at the moment. But there will be a digital one that will come along. And if the US government pulls its finger out, it could be the US dollar as the peg. But these things

can... They can live side by side with Bitcoin until Bitcoin grows further and further and people, like as things change as it goes along. But this is what, to me, what's going to happen first is that there's other digital currencies coming along. Now a good podcast to listen to is...

Where have I got this? I have this in my telegram. I have a telegram. Private one is from the Bitcoin magazine. They podcast people. Bitcoin magazine. Yeah. And Bitcoin Tina. Oh, yeah, she's great.

It's a he, sorry. Oh, Bitcoin Tina? Yeah. Really? I've got them on Twitter. I've read through loads of bits and pieces. I always assumed. Thank you. Yes. What was that word? You see? Assumed. And of course, I don't have to tell you. That's an old joke, what that means anyway.

Yeah. And also, if you and me... Yeah, Bitcoin one and part one and part two. Okay. All right. I'll check that one out. That's worth a couple of listens to. Very smart person. Very smart. Yeah. I'll check that out.

Yeah. I don't know what else I've got in here. See, what I'm going, whether I thought of doing is sort of doing this prominent podcast, putting them in here. Yeah. In my telegram channel.

Another guy I listen to a lot actually is this person. Some people don't like him as well and it's not related to crypto is Gary V. Gary V. Gary V. Have you heard of Gary V? I haven't actually. No. What sort of... Where have you been? Under a row. About 20 of them.

No, I haven't heard of Gary V. It's... How to run your business and don't be so negative and don't be so lazy and get your shit together and you can do it. Gary V is Gary and V is Double E. Oh, V, Double E. Okay. I'll show that out. So it's like a motivational and

organization sort of thing, is it? Yeah. He wouldn't call it that. But yeah. He's one. I'll listen to some stuff, some of his stuff and some of these stuffs I listen to on video format as well. That sort of thing. Yeah. We're getting back to any other question.

I think to be honest Bruce, I think we covered most of it there and I just want to say it's been really, really nice speaking to you. It's been really helpful for me over time having you post up things and so I can have a look through and you always put up some fantastic

podcasts and information. So I'm going to link your Twitter in the show notes and link all your information there. So anyone who's listening who doesn't already follow Bruce, you should be because it's such a great source of information. And yeah, I just want to say thank you for what

you're doing and I think it's incredible that you're so involved in this community and thank you for coming on. It's been really, has been a pleasure to speak with you. Okay, then. And I think you'd like to close out with any words of wisdom. I just close with that little

one line of a mind that remember life is short and the world is big, large. Fantastic. Thank you, Bruce. So don't get it. Okay. Thank you. All right, lovely to speak to you and have a nice evening, Bruce. And thank you for the invite and we'll catch you another time. Absolutely. If you ever

want to. Yeah, right. I will do. All right. Cheers, Bruce. Bye. Bye. Bye.