EP76 Bitcoin podcast with @likewh0a

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All right, you long-governable misfits. I'm your host, Max. Everybody knows that Bitcoin is useless, worthless, and doomed to fail. But what if everyone's wrong? What if it's the system that is doomed to fail?

Join me as I speak to some of the brightest people in the space and slither to the deepest, darkest depths of the Bitcoin rabbit hole.

Welcome back, everyone. Today's guest is like Whoa. You might recognize the name from Twitter or also from his involvement in Rodden Dojo. He was an absolutely awesome guest. I've been looking forward to chat to him for some time, and he did not disappoint.

We talked a lot about Bitcoin, Linux, family, and much, much more. Before we dive in, I just want to say thank you to Coin Floor UK for sponsoring the show. If you're in the UK and looking to dollar cost average, use my link that's in the show notes, and you will actually receive discount on your stacking.

I also want to say if you haven't already checked out Block 5 for 21ism, go and do it now. Make sure that you check it out before the new block is dropped on the fifth. Enjoy the show.

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I can hear the sound of a lot of people. It's such a cool project. I had ZELCO on not too long ago. Really, really good chat with him. The whole system that I really like about everyone I've spoken to is involved.

There's no pussy fitting around. There's no niceties. It's just we want the best, most secure, most private tool available and we're going to build it and that's what is done. It's quite refreshing that in most other industries and a lot of people that I've spoken to in the past, there's a lot of talk and not much doing

and it seems it's the other way around with all of this stuff and that's very exciting. For me, as a non-technical guy, you're saying you're getting involved in this from a background messing around with Linux and being, obviously, very tech savvy and computer-literate.

I'm very much not, but I've still been able to get this stuff working and I've been able to increase my privacy on Bitcoin and that's really fucking cool. That's such an important thing that can help so many people.

So I can understand the appeal. Was it something that you'd done before? Like, could you worked on any privacy technologies prior to getting involved? So I have a company that basically does security consultancy.

So I did a lot of stuff specifically with FreeBSD and Gen2 Linux. So things they have to do with encryption, working with SC Linux, working with GR security. So a lot of implementation when it came down to full-disencryption, network monitoring, file integrity, and a lot of data redundancy.

So I've been very, very motion-balled and just getting things. I like servers who are minimized, minimalistic. You have things that you only have what you need. I like systems that are very secure in terms of the network.

Firewars need to be very tight. I like things where the data is very secure and reliable. So I work a lot of what we've done to see with encryption and specifically a full-disencryption. So like you all say, we're running Dojo.

The thing that I like about it is that it can work for someone who's not very technical. But for people who are technical, it's very, very good because they can actually go in there and see the internals.

They can actually start from a command line. So it works for the two different groups. So that's one of the things that I like. And right now we're making it easier for people to get on board with it to install this release coming up.

A lot of bug fixes were introduced and then a lot of, you know, the onboarding process has been improved. The way that you're going to be managing your indexer, for instance, right now we support two different indexers.

We support an electron RS indexer and the Samurai indexer. It comes pre-installed with Samurai Dojo. So the way you're going to be able to handle those two, you're going to be able to swap back and forth between the two of them.

So it'll be like a seamless experience, it'll be a lot easier. The way that we're handling applications now are a little bit better. And also where there's some optimizations that are being added in the background.

So for instance, when you, the Bitcoin, a DB cache value, normally we had it set at 1024. I added some logic on there for the new releases coming up where it will basically use 30% of your available RAM.

But users can tweak it up to however they want. And that was, you know, it helps speed up the initial blockchain download. So that's one of the, you know, good optimizations that are being added to it.

Also, the, the RAM will be increased based on the amount of RAM that you have. So, you know, a lot of these things, you know, are going to make, you know, getting run in Dojo, getting, you know, Bitcoin blockchain, you know, set up and running a lot faster.

It's going to sync a faster and it will also allow users to go ahead and tweak it however they want is, you know, there's one feature that Ron and Dojo has that was added to the previous releases called a user.config file.

Basically allows users to overwrite different variables that are used internally by the Ron and Dojo application. So for instance, let's say that you have a MBME drive, you know, one of those little drives that looks like a memory stick currently, we don't support those, you know, by default because everything is hard-coded right now

to use SDA drives. You can go ahead and just change the primary device variable and run in Dojo to point to something else. So for instance, to that specific drive location, that specific drive partition.

So you, so you won't actually need an SSD then no. You can, you know, so I have right now, I have several single board computers. I have a rock pro, a rock pro PI. It's basically like a Raspberry PI, but it's a rock chip.

And I have that with an MBME drive. So I used our user.config file to set that primary device variable to point to that partition under. So it runs through that, through our hard drive instead.

I also have another one where I manually set up a rape mirror. This is not something that's fully supported in Ron and Dojo, but I'm going to be actually working on implementing this later on this year.

So basically what rate is is allows kind of like data redundancy between multiple hard drives. So what I have right now, I have a rock, a rock pro 64 chip. And it's a, you know, it's one of the pine 64 boxes.

You can get them at the pine 64 store. It comes with a little, you know, middle case and it has a, you know, a mini computer, like a Raspberry PI. But it comes with a PCI Express card. This has a four times lane on there.

Anyways, you can connect, you know, multiple hard drives to it. Right now I have two one terabyte drives hooked up to it, but I manually went in there before I installed Ron and Dojo. I manually created a rate one, which is basically a mirror.

It allows you to have two drives act as one. So for instance, you'll have, you know, it's still going to show us one terabyte, but it's actually two drives, right? So if one of those drives actually dies, the other one kind of takes over.

So you have kind of like this redundancy, you know, but it does not protect you from data corruption. That's one thing that it doesn't protect because MD rate and Linux does not support any of that yet.

But eventually, you know, we can, we can start looking at implementing different file systems because right now Ron and Dojo only supports extension for file system.

But later on, I would like to include, you know, something like B3 file system or CFS file system, which are next generation atomic based file systems that allow self healing and, you know, prevent bit splits, which are, you know, kind of like a corruption.

I don't know if you have you ever seen a picture, like a JPEG and it basically has like a, like a line across it kind of like a pixel. It's like a green line around it. Yeah, kind of like a defect. So that basically happens when one of the pixels, the data on it flips.

And they, they call those a bed flip. So it's kind of like a corruption that just happens and they don't, you know, and file systems like extension for file system.

Xbox system, most of the other file systems do not protect against this type of corruption. CFS has protection against that. So if you have a CFS array environment, you're not going to get a corrupted environment that way.

What causes these bits to flip like what happens in the background that makes that happen. I, it's very technical. I really don't want to, you know, go ahead and, you know, yeah, no, it's going to all go over my head. I'm sure too much into that. But it's, it's kind of like, it's basically is a corruption in the data.

So it's just, you know, for instance, it's just, it's just flips the bit flips from like a zero if it flips to a one. And it's just like a single bit. But sometimes it's multiple ones.

And, you know, this is something that the system doesn't even catch it as being like something like corruption, you know, because what was going to be cashing is when it can't read those bits.

But as if it's still readable, it's not going to say, oh, you know, it's corrupted. So it doesn't, it doesn't know that it, that it flipped when it shouldn't have.

Okay. When you got involved with this stuff and you're saying you were involved in Gen 2 Linux before that, what was it that excited you about this? Was it the fact that it was open source software and you're looking at the security side, or was it that this

isn't that you were thinking about the freedom side? Like, what was it that first drew you in? Well, it drew me in. It's just, you know, samurai wallet, you know, whirlpool, just the whole concept of that, you know, you know, I was using vanilla dojo prior to, you know, getting into running dojo.

So I really, I really enjoyed it. I liked it that I was able to, you know, connect this wallet into my, you know, to my own full node. And I liked the fact that I was able to use the software that they were using to, you know, facilitate, you know, their conjoin implementation.

So I liked that, you know, they were giving everybody the option to not having to rely on them for, you know, for instance, you know, holding your expops. You know, that's a very appealing to me. And, you know, it's just something that, you know, a lot of people don't realize it, you know, and it's good.

You know, I like, I like control of my data. I like to, you know, I don't like to have someone hold my hand, you know, I don't like this, our lens distributions where, you know, packages are compiled for me.

I like to compile everything on my own. I like to know what I'm going to be compiling. I like to know, you know, that I want to speak to software where only this and that not, you know, everything else in the kitchen sink included.

You know, when I, when I, when I set up, you know, Linus kernels on my systems or for clients, I make sure that, you know, the drivers, you know, the hardware support on that kernel is only for that specific hardware, you know, you don't need up.

You don't need to have a server with a kernel that supports audio or, you know, webcam drivers or Wi-Fi drivers when these servers are don't have any of that hardware.

So, you know, a lot of distributions, you know, they'll give you a kernel and it has support for everything. So, you know, I'm more like, you know, I like everything to be minimized.

Not just, you know, for the, for the footprint memory footprint, you know, the software is going to run faster, more reliable, but more not security type of aspect, you know, the last things you have available.

The more complex. Yeah. It becomes more complex and the more layers of, you know, exploits that can be available for, for an outside adversary. Yeah. It makes a lot of sense. Yeah. So with Dojo, you know, it's, you know, they allow you to, you know, set up your own, you know, node.

Samurai Dojo has, you know, a Bitcoin core on there. You know, they include BTC, RPC's explorer. So you can, you know, go ahead and, you know, explore it.

Different access, you know, it comes with an indexer, you know, everything's under, you know, it's self hosted, you know, you don't, you don't have to rely on nobody, you know, you don't have to rely on notar party, you know, you're not connecting to samurai servers.

And everything is you, you know, this is you, you're basically have control of your, you know, your capital with, you know, in this case is Bitcoin.

Yeah, it's, it's incredible. It's very, very nice for someone like me to be able to do that. You know, you're talking about something that's so foreign to me, compiling everything yourself, you know, having everything at that granular level, which makes complete sense to me.

I understand why you do it, but it's so far above and beyond anything I could dream of doing myself, whereas running this Ronan Dojo with a little bit of help from my friend Bitcoin Q and A every now and again, when I fuck something up, he helps me, but it's accessible

and it's accessible to be able to host everything myself to not rely on anyone else and that's such a powerful idea. It's such an incredible thing that's being made accessible to more and more people, which is really fucking exciting, especially with what

I think Bitcoin's going to do for the world. It certainly has the ability to do for the world. This kind of stuff is so, so important. It's getting to that point now where I'm getting people through that Bitcoin journey and like trying to explain to people why it's important.

You know what it's like, everyone is there just for number go up, certainly for the beginning, and you're lucky to get them out of that, but I'm starting to get friends and family who are asking me, you know, how do I run one of these things? I'm getting what you're saying about privacy. I'd like to have some cash like money.

I'd like to be able to use these things and it's cool to have something that I can suggest for them. It's really exciting.

It's very empowering. I mean, I help a lot of people set up their environments and it's very rewarding when someone has a problem and they can't figure it out and they get other people who are trying to figure it out and they can't figure it out.

So, you know, throughout the years, you know, that I have been involved in Linux, I've always been someone who helps people out with their issues. And I kind of like it, you know, I like fixing problems.

I like helping people as something that, you know, brings me, you know, kind of like an accomplishment and seeing people, you know, have control of their software, you know, seeing people learning the terminal, seeing people right now, you know, getting that

running dojo off, you know, they get so excited about it, you know, and they have this empowering, you know, this feeling that like, you know, now I have my own note, you know, I can do Whirlpool.

I can go ahead and, you know, and browse out and explore. I can, you know, do all these things and I don't have to, you know, worry about, you know, someone is dropping at me.

I don't have to worry about, you know, a third party, a custodial, having, you know, my Xbox, because once someone has your Xbox, you know, they basically have your past and future history.

Hmm. It's something that it takes a while to actually understand, though. What is that journey?

Yeah, I mean, the first time pulling my sats off an exchange and trying to get them into a hardware wallet and these kind of things and learning about UTXOs and learning all this stuff was, I was just like, I don't know what the fuck's going on.

Like, this is so alien, but it takes time and the more time you put in, the better things get. And it's a fun journey. Like, I get frustrated with it quite often because I'm not good with this kind of stuff.

It sounds like maybe you've been doing this. It sounds like you've done this your whole life and you live the sleep, breathe it, and it just comes naturally. But it's still exciting for someone like me to take these baby steps and try and slowly, like, I'm trying to slowly get away from Mac and move across to Linux on my pop OS running.

And I'm sure it's not the same as like Gen 2 or one of these other distributions, but it's baby steps. And I love the idea of one day having control of my data and no one fucking spying on me anymore.

You know, it's an exciting thing to look forward to. Hey, like I said, you know, privacy and security is a journey. You know, it's something that you're never going to master. It's something that you're always going to be learning every day.

I mean, I learn things. I learn something new every day. I know a lot about Linux. I know how I can compile a kernel in less than 10 minutes. Give me a piece of hardware and give me a Linux configuration kernel.

I'll go in there and I'll configure everything real quick. You know, it's like, you know, I've done it so many times. It's like, it's like second nature to me. You know, but the thing is, I'm always finding things that I'm learning.

So it's like a learning process. So it's not something you're never going to get bored of it because there's always going to be something new. The way that I see it is, you know, I know some stuff, but I'm not the best.

Or, and I'll never think I'll never see myself as, you know, oh, I'm the best. Every, you know, I like, I'm always learning. So I'm learning. It's just like everybody else. And, you know, the way that I tell people is don't look at it as something that's complicated.

People see Linux as this complicated thing. You know, they see, you know, all the component software, you know, make, you know, all those things are very complex. It's not complicated. It's just everybody puts a big block in front of them.

And, you know, that they just don't just jump in and do it. You know, if you search online for Linux C, it's a very good introduction into Linux in general. It's a guy created by one of the former Linux developers for gentle Linux.

He was part of the documentation team. So he wrote this, this big piece. It basically just talks about the Linux, the history of Linux. It talks about, you know, kernel. It talks about the network configurations.

It talks about the different base layers. It talks about the tool chain, you know, the libraries to compile software. And it walks you, you know, basically to a whole process of, you know, how to start from nothing and to get in a kernel or an environment from scratch.

And Linux C guide, yeah. Linux C, yeah. What I'll do, I'll send you the link to it because right now I think the site went down, but I managed to get the PDF from it. So I'll give you the link.

It's very, very good. It's a good primary to learn it. But the other thing is, you know, if you want to learn about Linux in general, just go ahead and just follow the gentle guide. Gentle Linux guide, just follow it.

And also it walks you step by step through everything. It's very informational. It's very on point. It's a lot of reading. I mean, when I first started it, I basically printed out the whole guide.

It was like over 50 pages. So it was, you know, it's funny because I didn't have to print it, but I, you know, I was so eager to learn it. I just printed the whole thing, you know. So you should, you know, you should just kind of want it.

You just have to want to learn it. You know, I've seen a technical button, you know, I wasn't very technical at all before. I mean, when I first got my first computer, I literally didn't know how to turn it on.

I had no idea where I was, I was like, I think I was like 14. I didn't know how to turn it on. And I, and I basically just took it, just took the whole tower apart, took the whole thing apart, the back screwdriver took it apart, laid out all the pieces out.

And then I put it back together. And that's how it clicked for me, you know, so, and that's how I've always been. I like taking things apart and figuring out how they work. And then as I go, I, you know, just roll with it.

You enjoy that process then of really working out how a system works, really understanding every part of it and then being able to rebuild. That's, is it, is it something you enjoy whilst doing it?

Or is it something that once it's done, you enjoy it? Oh, you know, it's frustrating why you're doing it at times because, you know, you can't figure something out. But, you know, the thing is, you know, sometimes when I can't figure something out,

like for instance, if I'm, if I'm dealing with our, you know, a hardware issue or software issue, I, I sleep on it, you know, I, I still can, I'm going to stop now. I'm going to think about it before I go to sleep.

And usually I wake up with the solution. It's amazing how that happens, isn't it? You're playing and just ticking over while you sleep and it solves these little problems. And yeah, it's, it happens quite often.

Yeah, yeah. It's, you know, you know, our mind is amazing, you know, but, you know, back to Ronan Dojo, you know, I, is, I, Ronan Dojo is, is, it's a great product, you know, uh, cell called Guerrero.

Everybody out there, you know, the, the works on a crazy, you know, you know, Bitcoin, uh, Q and A, he's, he's an amazing guy. I don't, I, I have no idea. He must have like, you know, 10 twins working with him.

He, he literally, you know, he spits out content left and right, you know, and he just, he absorbs a lot of information. And, you know, I, uh, guys, he's, he's, he's amazing, you know. Let's go with the conspiracy theory here with Bitcoin Q and A.

It's not a conspiracy theory. No, that's true. I think he must be more than one person. I love Bitcoin Q and A. He's one of my closest friends in Bitcoin. I chat to him most days, but I can't see how any man gets as much done as he does and a full time job and a misses and a dog and all his guides and everything else.

I barely get through the day and he's like, oh, yeah, I get up at five. I go and train and then I do this. And I'm just like, what are you made of? Like what is he human? What is there more than one?

I don't know. He's, but yeah, I love the guy to pieces and he, he's helped me a lot. He's very eager to learn, you know, and that's what you need. You know, you need that passion, you know, to want to learn something and, you know, to understand it.

And, you know, he's, he's very, very good at, you know, taking something that's technical and explaining it. Another person is very good at doing that is BTC Xcelco. He's, he explains things very, very well, you know, and, you know, I got to give it to him also.

You know, he, I admire him. He's very good explainer at technical terms, you know. So, but, you know, the team is, the team is good. You know, we have a lot of things in the work. We're going to be a gunsome Bitcoin next month.

Some of what are going to be in Miami and June for BTC conference. I was hoping to get out there. Self-banked and a few of my friends from the UK are going and literally, I just got off a call about an hour ago trying to coax me over there.

I'm trying to see if I can because it looks like a lot of fun. It looks like so much fun. Oh, it's going to be a lot of fun. Yeah, it's, I'm getting closer and closer to pushing the button on it.

But I've never been to a Bitcoin conference. Like, I've only ever been to the BitDevs meetups in London before. They all shut down because there's fucking virus stuff. But, yeah, I used to really enjoy going to those and, you know, you'd have a beer afterwards or whatever.

But I've never been to a proper Bitcoin conference. So, yeah, it's calling me for sure. All right, yeah, hope you come to one of them one day. There are a lot of fun. The BitDevs in New York are a lot of fun.

There's a lot of stuff in these. It goes over my head. But it's very rewarding to be there because you're there with different Bitcoiners. And afterwards, everybody goes out and they have beers and they talk Bitcoin.

They talk about different projects that they're working on. They talk about different new wallets that they've tried out. So, it's, you know, it's a lot of fun, you know? I hear the BitDevs meetup in New York is particularly good.

It's very, very good. It's, you know, very, very good. It's one of the top notch. Actually, I organized a few secret meetups here in New York where, you know, we met up at a place we call Treehouse, you know, in the city.

So, it's a lot of fun. So, I don't want to say, you know, who went over there because, you know, over here, they don't want it to be together anyway. It's a lot of fun, you know? We recently just met up with BitDevs at the Washington Square Park last week.

So, that was a lot of fun. Nice. Yeah. I definitely want to get out there. Maybe I have to do a trip to America and spend a bit of time in all the different places and do a few of the conferences and bits and pieces.

It's been difficult. Like, traveling at all where we are now is really hard. Yeah. It's one of the things that is spurring me on so much with the privacy side. It is because, you know, I'm looking at what's going on around me.

And it seems that everyone's paying attention. I'm not going to be able to travel soon unless you ask for permission. Have a vaccine. Yeah, or a vaccine. Yeah. That's terrible. It's fucking disgusting.

It's like your trap. Your trap, then. Yeah, completely. It's taking away your sovereignty over your own body. Yeah. It's pretty worrying. I mean, we're quite a well-disguised authoritarian country.

Like, in terms of, like, freedom of speech and things like that, you know, it's certainly better than a lot of places. But there's, like, a sort of a weird... It's slowly turning more and more that you can't say what you want to say.

You can't do what you want to do. And no one seems to see it. No one seems to... Can you get arrested over there for saying something that you're not supposed to online? Yeah. This is why I don't go on video.

This is why I don't use my real name. This is why I'm doing my best to learn to be more private. The smart thing for me to do would be to shut up, stack, sats, and never say anything. But at the same time, I want children and I want this world to be a better place for them.

Of course, no, we can't shut up because if we stay shut up, then we're going to be more oppressed, you know? Someone has to stand up and say something, you know? Yeah. And that's the thing, you know, most of the people now are not saying anything.

And this is why we are where we are right now. You know, with all these different restrictions and rules, there are being imposed on people. At least you guys have guns. Hey, for now. You know, they want to get rid of, you know, fully automatic ones right now.

That's a battle there. Being completely honest, five years ago or so, if you'd have asked me, you know, do you think it's a good idea for everyone to have guns? And I was wrong, but I would be like, no, I don't think it's a good idea.

I very much fully changed my views on the whole situation now that I'm looking at things. Let's think about it like this. Let's say you're at a bank, right? Somebody comes in there with the gun.

Do you think that person is going to think twice or not to rob that bank if they knew that probably everybody in that bank is likely armed? Yeah, I think harder.

You know, they will think twice about Robin, you know, committing any crime outside because if you're, you know, that's why they committed because they know, they know it's most likely no one's going to have a gun when I'm going into this establishment.

So if everybody has protection, it's less likely that, you know, crimes, crimes like that will happen. You know, robbery, you know, assault, those types of things, you know, will be minimized because the bad guys have anything twice.

Yeah, the whole argument falls down pretty hard because, you know, people say, oh, you banned guns and then you won't have any guns. It's like, whoa, they banned murder. They banned theft.

You know, how's that fucking working out for you? That the bad people will still decide that they want to use them. You can still get hold of them. It's not like it just stops it. No, you don't.

They try to make drugs legal, you can still get drugs. They try to, you know, they're going to try to make guns legal. Bad guys are going to get it, no matter what. You know, don't get their hands on it.

And the ones that won't get their hands on it are good citizens who, otherwise, you know, you like, for instance, they say you're living someplace far away in the country. Why are you not going to have a gun in your house?

You're in the middle of nowhere. You know, somebody from the city could be driving by your village or whatever, and they can go in your home and you're not protected, but they're protected, you know.

So, yeah, it's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. And in the UK, we can't carry anything. You get pulled, you have a knife, you get in a serious amount of trouble, you have any gun. Yeah, I heard you can't even carry anything.

No, no, you can't, you can't carry anything. Nothing. So you can't even make sandwiches outside, you can't make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? You can make the sandwich, you just can't cut it into a square.

And you've got to spread it with a spoon. Spoons are okay as long as they're not too sharp around the edges. Goodness. Yeah, it's mad. But then police now, especially in the city, they're all carry guns.

That didn't used to happen. It used to be like... No, they used to happen. Not they do. That's interesting. You know, no one can have guns unless they're the ones with all the power. That's a pretty worrying thing when they're saying they're taking away now our freedom to protest.

A police officer killed a lady here last week. Yeah, I heard about that. That was terrible. It's terrible. It's so sad. And it was an off-duty police officer. Everyone went out to do a eulogy or whatever you call it, you know, to give respect to her memory.

And people who were there, because they weren't supposed to, for lockdown, were arrested. And now they're trying to pass a law where you can't protest and you can't do a eulogy. They're here, they're trying to take your right to speak, your right to move, your right to travel, your right to bear arms and everything else.

So basically, that whole island is turning to a big jail, like Australia, this week back in the day. It's fucked. So if I come to Miami, I might not leave again. Well, hopefully, you know, they say, you know, things get worse before they get better.

So hopefully that's going to be the case for everything that's happening now. Yeah, I hope so. You know, this show has brought me a lot of hope, being able to speak to Bitcoiners who care about freedom and who are actually making moves and doing things that help preserve that freedom and better things for people.

And that gives me a lot of hope. Without that, I would be much, much worse place in my head. Well, you know, one thing, you got to get yourself out of that operating system that you use every day, you know, get yourself on an open one.

I am. I've actually got PopOS that I've put on another laptop now, and I'm just trying to get to grips with it because my Wi-Fi isn't working on it and all this sort of stuff.

But it's not for a Bitcoin, but can you just do like a little shill sesh for anyone listening to this who's using a Mac and they're worried about switching over to Linux and they're not sure why they should do it.

Not talking about Windows because I think the majority of people understand that Windows is an absolute shit show, but a lot of people have this thought that, well, Mac is pretty secure and they're not spying on me.

So Mac in general is secure because it's not so targeted like Windows is because Windows, you know, has most of the users there are under most businesses are doing business on Windows Server.

You know, they do a lot of their internal stuff on there, but you know, like in Linux, you know, most websites are posting on Linux. But Mac is not bad, but I don't think it's the safest because it's a closed source operating system.

So, you know, you can't see what's inside of it. So you don't know what's really happening behind it. I mean, it could be secure, the kernel secure where it's hard to break into it, but it's not an open operating system.

You know, whether as Linux, you know, it's fully open, you can, you know, you can download the kernel straight from from the internet. You can, you know, set up your own base layer, you don't have to, you know, use Ubuntu, you don't have to use.

You can set, you can create your own Linux distribution on your own. I mean, you have Linux from scratch, which basically just comes without a package manager. So you have to, you know, compile your all your software yourself, you have to, you know, manage all your dependencies and everything.

And by the way, that's another, another source of, you know, learning, if you want to learn about, you know, Linux in general, Linux from scratch. But to me, Linux on desktop, it has come a long way.

It works very, very well. And, you know, by the flow is very, very secure. I mean, there are environments where, you know, you can make yourself not very secure, but it's a lot better than having a Mac or having a Windows environment.

I think it's something that people just, you know, just move forward to because, you know, this is operating system is fully open. And you can just, you can, you know, modify, however you want, you don't have to worry about anything.

And I mean, I've been, I've been using Linux since forever. Right now, I switched out of Windows for a long time ago. I don't have any, I don't have any, any Apple products. I know some people bought some iPads just for the, for the clubhouse thing, but not me.

You know, everything that I don't think that I have this, no, I don't have any Apple products or Windows products at all. Not at all. Not even for my kids laptop. I put, I put Linux on my kids laptop.

And the, and your kids, I don't want to dox how old or anything, but I assume they're learning in their little mini cypher punks as well. Yeah, my son is actually, he's, he's seven now and he's actually learning Python.

So his, I got him on a website co co combat.com. And it's, you know, it's pretty interesting. He's learning the whole concept. So, you know, of programming. And so he likes it a lot. So I'm very interested. If you have kids, I highly recommend that site.

There's other sites there out there, you know, to help kids on with programming, but co combat seems like a very fun thing to do because it's kind of like a game. And you're telling it, you know, you're telling the character what to do based on code.

So he, he really likes it a lot. He's getting very, very far in it. Yes, it's the time, isn't it? When, when, when they're young and their brains are like sponges, they just learn at like a crazy rate.

For sure. They, they absorb everything, you know, information to them is comes, goes in very, very easy. And, you know, if it's something that they like and it's, I mean, if it's fun, they're going to start, you know, doing it.

So I say it's, it's good to start them early, you know, definitely. And now that I have enough, you know, single board computers, I'm going to start showing him how to put them, put them together.

So, you know, yeah, I already taught him about, you know, the different parts in there, you know, what, what this does. So he knows about RAM, you know, he knows about CPU, he knows about, you know, the PCI slots, he knows about, you know, all the little connectors on the USB, you know, HDMI.

So he knows what all that stuff does right now. So we're going to start putting everything together soon. That's awesome. It must be nice to have that sort of relationship and be able to teach something that's going to be so useful.

Like, I love this idea of it doesn't have to be homeschooling, but I love this idea that is discussed within Bitcoin that if number go up, it allows more time and that time if you can spend it with your family and pass on knowledge that is so useful.

It's such a better way of living in my opinion than just nine to five dump kids at school. People don't have any time with their family and it just seems very wrong to me.

Too many people nowadays, you know, they're too busy with their careers, you know, going to, you know, trying to finish their, you know, they want to be so involved in their, you know, money, you know, money is like such a thing, you know, for them.

And they feel like, you know, I can't have kids now because I don't have all this money because I don't have time because I have to finish my career and, you know, and the people that do have kids are too busy in their career to spend time with their kids because they work all day.

And, you know, they come home and when they come home, they don't have time to spend with their kids. So, you know, we have a lot of kids nowadays who are being raised by strangers, you know, when I say strangers, I mean like babysitters, you know.

And they're the ones that are, you know, drawing your kids while you're out there, you know, busting your ass and they're teaching your kids the values that they know.

So that, you know, someone needs to stay home. You know, for instance, my wife, she's, she stays home. She raises our children. And, you know, that's the way I like it. You know, I don't want somebody else to raise our kids.

I want them to have their mom or their dad, you know, you know, a kid needs to have either or, you know, preferably both parents. And, you know, it's a great story to have someone else teach them. It seems a little bit crazy. It's kind of like there are 2.0, you know, we learn that we have all these mistakes.

We do things in life where we go, I would have done this differently or I've learned this. And then we're passing that on to our children and they hopefully do better than us. That's kind of how I see it. And to not spend the time with them, not defeats the purpose, but it seems crazy.

But really is one of the most exciting things for Bitcoin with me is just, like I said, this time and being able to spend time with family and be able to think a little bit deeper about how we spend our time on this earth before we're gone, rather than just, yeah, get into this crazy rat race.

And then you blink and then it's gone and it's too late and so many people, when they're older, they say, oh, don't waste your life doing this, you know, make sure you enjoy the moment and no one ever listens to the older people, they always just ignore them until it's too late.

Hey, family is everything, you know, family to me is everything. I mean, for me, family first before Bitcoin, before anything else, you know, I mean, I tell people, you know, you want to, you know, you want to hold Bitcoin right for a long time.

The best way to do that is have kids and pass it on to your kids, you know, teach them about the value of, you know, of this technology that you love so much, you know, have kids, don't wait so long, don't wait until you're, you know, you're 40 and you're, you know, you're

not, you know, some people just wait, they wait, they wait, they wait and they get to this point where they, you know, they're like, oh, it's too late now, you know, or they feel like, you know, they're too tired or they, you know, they just, they don't do and then it's a mistake, you know, you just have to have your kids early in life.

So you can enjoy them while you're young. And, you know, so you can enjoy yourself when you get older, you know, because if you have kids, you know, when you're 50, you're going to be dead by the time you're 60, because those 10 years of your kid growing.

I got to drain your energy. Yeah. Yeah, very true, very true. I think you're closer as well then, you know, if you have less of an age gap, you have more in common, I think probably, and you have the energy to do all that.

I keep putting it off myself because of all the nightmare stuff I see around me, and I see this 1984 world unfolding in my country. So I'm trying to find a way out, I'm trying to find a way to make sure I feel comfortable and secure.

Think of it this way, you're going to clone yourself so you can live through your children, and you're going to clone yourself so you can teach your children your values. So the his generation, hopefully, is going to not upset what's happening now and prevent any future generation from suffering, you know.

That's true. When we do people to have children, we don't need bad people, irresponsible people to have children, because a lot of people who have children for the wrong reasons, you know, and you know they have children who are not going to do good, you know, who are neglected

or who, you know, end up, you know, on drugs or end up, you know, get in trouble, because their parents aren't there for them, you know, their parents, they weren't teaching them, you know, good values.

Yeah, it's about building a better world. And, yeah, using the tools that we have and it's very exciting. It's one of the things I see on your Twitter quite often.

Alongside coin join versus female join and, you know, looking at these two different implementations and seeing which is better. I'm still not decided. I've been looking since you posted that last one and I haven't decided what's better coin join or female

leading towards the second one. Maybe it's post mix and then move on to the female join. It's good. I like to make people smile online. That's the thing. You know, I, that's why I'm silly like that. You know, I, I, I don't like to be so serious when I'm on social media.

I like to just, you know, to bug out, you know, to be fun. I'm serious when it comes to coding, you know, when I'm talking about, you know, working on a project. You know, I have a different side there. I'm more focused.

You know, but mostly I like to play around and joke around and, you know, I, I, I had a lot of experience in my life, you know, bad experiences, good experiences. So I know how, how it is to be, you know, at the bottom. I don't know how it is to be at the top. So I, I know post spectrum. So I appreciate everything in the middle.

So you've got to have some fun on Twitter. It's a nice place to blow off a little bit of steam and like it can get a bit too serious sometimes. So it's always fun. Like I always enjoy scrolling through and I either see, you know, you're ripping the piss out of one of these central bankers

You're, you're posting something that lights my eyes up like the last one. But it keeps it fun. And I think that's really important is that we, we change the world, but we do it with a smile on our face. And no matter what comes up against us, we, we all look after each other have some fun and don't don't take life too seriously.

Amen. Yeah. All right, man. Well, listen, I don't want to take time away from your family. I really appreciate you taking the time to chat to me. And yeah, it's been fun. I hope if I do get out to Miami, we can have a drink together or something.

It sounds good. We're going to have a nice crib over there. So let me know. You're welcome to come. Awesome. All right, mate. Thanks very much and enjoy your day with the family. Likewise and take care. Cheers. Bye bye.