EP96 MESHTADEL MONTHLY 0003 Education.

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Yeah. Alright, you ungovernable misfits. I'm your host, Max. Everybody knows that Bitcoin is useless, worthless, and doomed to fail. But what if everyone's wrong? What if it's the system that is doomed to fail?

Join me as I speak to some of the brightest people in the space and deliver to the deepest, darkest depths of the Bitcoin rabbit hole. Welcome back, everyone. I'm sorry I haven't released anything for a few days.

I've been really busy. Things in my personal life have been a bit crazy. Finally, managed to get rid of my home, and I will be stacking some sats hard, stacking sats for every motherfucker who is trying to take control of this country and every other country.

Stacking so that they can't get their greedy fucking mitts on them. And I really feel, at this point in life, with my understanding of what's going on, it is the best thing that I can do for the future generations.

Talking of future generations, we have got Lauren joining us today. She's brought her dad along, Daniel Prince. He's the co-host of her wonderful show "Once Bitten." If you haven't checked it out, definitely go and have a listen.

The two of them have got some fantastic content, brilliant interviews on there. But I actually got them in today to speak about education. Daniel has been talking to me about education for a long time, ever since we first actually met.

He's very, very knowledgeable in this area. And we're talking specifically about homeschooling. Lauren is currently being homeschooled. And during the interview, I got to find out what that's like and basically why more and more Bitcoin is a thinking this way.

I also had Seoul exporter with me. He was sort of a tell during the interview, thinking more and more about this. Seoul expo who I'm hoping to have on the show soon. Had a couple of concerns around it.

So when I next speak to him, I find out whether actually they've gone forward with it. But yeah, it was really great to speak to Daniel and Lauren. Always fantastic to speak to Seoul legs.

And I really hope you enjoyed the show. Before we dive in, I want to say thank you to my sponsors. Thank you to Coin Floor UK for continuing to sponsor the show. If you are in the UK and you are looking for somewhere to stack stats, weekly, monthly, daily, however you want to do it, you can do that with their service

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And obviously we've done permaculture. We are now moving on to education. I kind of think it would be cool to do something around diet next, but if anyone listens to it and they have any suggestions, anything they'd really like to learn about or any suggestions for guests, then reach out, let me know.

And I will try and make it happen. Enjoy the show and thank you for your patience.

- Welcome everyone. I've got Solex back. I've got Daniel Prince. And most importantly, we've got Lauren joining us. This is a show all about education. A show so that Bitcoiners can get the best education for their children.

And it's massively important. So this follows on from the last episode that we did, which was all about permaculture. So make sure that we're having the most nutritionally dense food and that we're doing things properly and not strip mining the soil.

And education really is on a level or more important than this. It is the future. So welcome Daniel. Welcome Lauren. And for anyone who hasn't already heard your amazing podcast once bitten, I think would be very unlikely.

Can you do a little bit of an introduction on what you guys are doing? And also a background on the homeschooling stuff and the experience you have in that? - Yeah, absolutely. But I mean, I probably shouldn't talk over the main star of the show.

So over to you, Lauren. - Absolutely, yeah. - Oh, okay. Um, why are you really talking on the floor right now? (laughs) - Why don't we start then with, why don't we start with how long have you been doing homeschooling?

And do you like it? - I think I've been doing homeschooling for like a half a year or like a year now. - How's it going? - Well, you, between the age of three and six, we were traveling. So we were doing something called world schooling.

And then you went to school here in France for about three years. And now in the last about a year and a half, you've been online doing self-directed education with Galileo, galleloxb.com.

- And I like my school online. It's very like the teachers are so kind. - They feel like you're, you're their friend. Like, yeah. And there's lots of kids around the world. You, they're all amazing.

It's good to meet different people around the world. But the thing is, you can't go meet them. And it's kind of annoying because I really wanna see them and yeah, it'll be very cool. - It's just one of my main questions.

Yeah, go on then. Solax, jump in here. - Yeah, no, that's one of my main questions because I was trying to sell that to Solaxboy as well, the Galileo, because I heard a podcast that Prince did it with the director that was, or who was that?

I don't remember. - Yeah, I was glad to see you. - Yeah, yeah. And I was really sold on the idea and then was trying to sell the idea to Solaxboy as well. And the first thing he said was, but I don't want to lose my friends here.

And yeah, and the second reason that he didn't want to join was the video. Why do they have to do a video recording? I have to ask from Solaxboy. - Good op sec. - Yeah, it doesn't like to have his face on camera.

So that would be a second question for the Galileo. Why do they need to record a video in the beginning of Solaxboy's question? So that's one of my two questions. I'm out of the show now.

- Oh, okay, yeah. So they do the recording for kids who can't make it and they might send it to them. Or they will do the recording for other teachers to see what's happening. - But it's an introduction.

- No, because it's before registering, there was, you have to do an introduction of yourself on camera and the bus for Solaxboy, like I don't feel like doing that. - Oh, I see what you mean.

So if you go through the sign up process, you now have to send in a little like one minute video of yourself. - Something like that, yeah. - Oh, okay. - Okay. - I didn't realize that we were doing that.

- Okay. - Yeah, I'm sure if you were to email them and just reach directly out to Vlad and explain that situation, I'm sure he'd just jump on a Zoom call with you and do even a personal introduction.

- Yeah. - There's, you know, there's no fixed rules. That's the great thing about a, well, any startup really, but particularly this one that is just trying to accommodate kids and understand different personalities and different needs and wants from kids.

Some kids don't turn their cameras on during their lessons the whole time because they, for whatever reason, they don't feel comfortable or they've had problems in the past with, you know, some kind of, I don't know, overexposure for whatever reason and maybe they just psychologically aren't ready to show their faces on camera.

So there's all kinds of different reasons people might not want to join the classrooms on camera, but to just to do the little short one minute video picture, I didn't realize that's what students were doing.

I'm sure Galileo think it's just a fun thing, perhaps for the kids to do, but if they're not comfortable doing it, then of course reach out and say, hey, you know, we'd like to have a chat, but Solix Boy is not, not too comfortable showing this one minute video.

- Yeah, maybe, maybe you want to do it. - Because I think I might have over stressed the importance of Obsec because now he's also going through all the PCs here, de-installing Chrome, putting over everywhere Mozilla and this spyware, putting even installing VMs on this PC.

He's, yeah, it's going over there. - How old is Solix Boy now? - Then turning 11. - Very much roughly. - Wow, that's pretty advanced. - That's why this topic interests me really a lot. Because now actually Lauren, the next question for you, if I may, is what are the topics you're following in school?

- Okay, well, I don't have a lot, but I like, do you have a lot? Not, I have a lot on Sunday, so on Monday, well, not in now, I'm just going to do a class, sorry. So I normally have Booknake, it's where it helps you read because I'm not the best reader.

Then I got Debates, it's where you just like, argue about one thing and there's a yes, no, and a, sorry, a yes team and a no team and you just chat which one's better. Then I got a student led club 'cause kids can run their own clubs if they wanted to.

It is History, Mystery, and Misology. And then I have like a little break. And then I have Arts and Crafts, it's where you paint and make stuff. It's really fun, sorry, really fun. And then I got Gaming Club, I got Minecraft Education,

you'll just get better at building and stuff. When you go there and you learn a lot. For me, I think that has helped me build a lot more better. And then I got Japanese. - Nice. - Yeah. - How did you mashcha? - Very cool.

- Keki desu ka? - I'm not really good at Japanese. (laughing) - Me neither, I just knew a few words. Probably pronounce them wrong, so might be my fault. - Japanese, when I'm out of Japanese, I'm like, what are you saying, but when I'm in my club, I'm just like, I kinda know what that means.

- Yeah, and I have the same, it's French, actually. If you talk for five minutes in French, you start thinking in French. And if you, the first five minutes, it's really hard because you try to translate everything in your mind.

But then once you're in a certain mindset, you start to think in that language. At least, that's how it worked for me, because I'm stuck in any school languages. I always had bad scores in school.

But I was at least able to buy my food when we went somewhere. (laughing) Really interesting, Lauren. - The other sort of 23 hours a day, you're learning finance from your dad, right? You're learning about Bitcoin and how money really works.

- Like, I said in one of the podcasts, we'd be very careful what we say to not set him off. We're just like, today, oh today this thing happens. And then, like then I just look at my sibling and we're just like, why?

And then luckily he doesn't say something, I'm just like, oh my God. (laughing) - Because the money's broken, Lauren. I know that, you say that literally every single day. - Morning, Lauren, the money is broken.

(laughing) I love it, yeah, I love it. And so, the other thing you were saying, which I picked up on, which amazes me, is you said, at your new school, the teachers are like friends. And that's so cool.

Like, I don't have kids, yeah, I plan to. And if I could hear that from my children, I would be so happy because I remember my schooling and they certainly didn't consider me a friend, any of the teachers.

And I certainly didn't consider them a friend, any of the teachers. And we didn't have a good relationship, but didn't enjoy it. And to hear you say that, it was really exciting 'cause that's when you learn, isn't it?

When you're around friends and people you trust and respect. And so what is it that makes them feel like they're friends rather than just teachers? Well, I don't know, they just give off a friendly vibe and they help you with a lot of things.

And it's really nice and. - Well, they treat you like adults, don't they? - Yeah, yeah, they do. - And everybody has their voice. It's the complete reverse of a normal classroom. When these guys, you know, they do a morning check-in at 9 a.m. for 30, 35 minutes with their facilitator.

And the only voice you hear are the kids' voices and they're all screaming over each other and they're trying to get their points across. And, you know, they're the facilitator. He'll chime in every like five minutes or so.

You know, in a traditional school system, it's sit down, shut up, do as I say. And you're never, I mean, it's funny, Max, that you bring this up about your schooling. Mine was the same. My wife, Claire and I, we went to the same secondary school, actually primary school as well, because we grew up in the same town

and there was only a couple of schools. And so, you know, everybody kind of knew each other from these small towns. And somebody had posted on her Facebook feed a picture, a staff picture of our secondary school.

When we'd probably, around the year, we'd probably managed to get us, well, we'd come of age and we were allowed to leave. And I looked at them and I felt nothing but disdain and emptiness for these human beings staring back at me.

It would probably very nice people in their own right, you know, and they've just got their own families and whatever else. And I remember saying to her, they were supposed to be our mentors, not our tour mentors.

I mean, how did this go so horribly wrong? Because it was just like you experienced and maybe I don't wanna put words in solo exporter's mouth, but you know, I'm pretty sure all of us are carrying psychological baggage from our schooling days of that style of teaching where it's sit down, shut up.

There's a flapping head at the front, turn to page 60. This is what we're learning today. Everyone's learning the same. If you're not up to speed, then you're gonna fall behind, then you'll get detention, then you'll get lines.

And it's like so draconian, so authoritarian, so totalitarian, so centralized. It's just beyond belief that we ever had to go through that and it brings so much psychological baggage away from it.

And we all suffer from it well into our adult years of the stigma. It builds little robots, right? Like I look at the people who I went to school with who did very, very well at school and basically they're good at memorizing and saying yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir.

They're good at shutting up and not asking questions and memorizing things that they don't fact check. That's it. And most of them didn't survive so well out of school. So generally the ones that were the outliers, the ones that were asking the questions, the ones that were in trouble, certainly from a financial standpoint

are doing much, much better. And I think that's what's so worrying is that you have these people who are young adults, they're trying to work out what's going on in the world. They're asking questions, quite often legitimate questions.

And the way that the teachers respond is to tell them to shut up, turn to page 48 and read along this text. That's not the way you learn. It's just like, it's maddening. So that's why it literally put a smile on my face.

So just when I heard Lauren say that, I was like, that's amazing, that's brilliant. That makes me happy to hear that this is an option. - Yeah. It's also very different from school to school and maybe country to country.

I remember from itself as well that it was now to say, not the most positive experience to go to school. Whereas Solaxboy, they have a completely different school system than what I had. And he really likes school.

They have, maybe we are just very lucky that he is a great teacher, of course, but. - Yeah, fingers still there, Solaxboy. - Yeah, sorry. - Did you lose me? - I think I've lost you the last second or something.

It sounds like I got off abruptly. - Okay, yeah. - My internet's kind of bit weird at the moment. - You were saying that, yeah, maybe you are lucky that he has a good teacher and fingers crossed that that last because a teacher can have such an impact.

The problem is the way now, the way the schools are set up, this teacher changes every year. - Yeah. - And then when you get to secondary school, it changes every 45 minutes. - Yeah. - And then again, every year.

- That's what we had also. Every year it changed. And with Solaxboy now, since he went out of kindergarten, he has still the same teacher. And I think next year still as well. So she goes with them every year through the years and the next year is the last year I think they have her.

And then it changes only. - Well, you know, if kids are enjoying school, that's great. - Yeah. - You know, go do it. If they're not being beaten down by the system and aren't being, see, it's finding this perfect middle because you're either getting beaten down by the system and you just can't get your head above water.

No matter what you do, you can never get that B grade or A grade, however they mark you. Or you're stuck in the positive reinforcement loop, which is not going to serve you, like to Max's point earlier, when you come to actually leaving school and entering the real world.

Because you're just not set up for, you know, what is really about to happen. - Yeah, you go teach math, history, geography and all that. But you don't know how to buy a house. You don't know how to buy a car.

They haven't taught you that yet. - That's amazing that you're thinking about that at your age already, Lauren. You know, I speak to people who are like 18 years old and they're still not even really thinking about it.

They're just, like you say, it's not tall. And so they don't think about it. And then it suddenly hits them in the face and they're like, oh, what are these bills? What's this mortgage? How do I get a house?

How do I do these things? How do I live my life? And it must be a stressful time for these sorts of people who just suddenly get slapped with it. And there's a bit of a wake up and a shock.

- Yeah. - Well, funny enough, but you're already thinking. On Galileo, they've just started a, yeah, they call them, they used to call them nanodegrees. What do they call them now? - They still call them nanodegrees.

- Nanodegourses. - No, I think they had to change. There's a trademark issue. Don't worry, good thing. - Daddy, it's just nanodegourses for sure. - Oh, okay. - A thing, I don't know, I don't know these things.

- Right, there was a trademark problem. Anyway, so they changed it to nanodegourses. - Yeah, from Udemy. - Right. - No, it doesn't, something like that. - Yeah, I think so. And the, so one of the courses now that's being launched is how to manage your money.

And they'll run that for a month or six weeks. And the kids can opt in if, you know, it's self-directed education. So if you see a club that you want to join, you opt in and you go for a couple of weeks.

If you like it, if you don't like it, then you opt out. Because if you're going under coercion, that's no good for the rest of the class, and it's certainly no good for the teacher. So the kids have the ability to opt in or opt out.

And that language is key. It's not dropping out, right? You know, it's like, oh, we've grown up to think, oh, college drop out. Well, you know, what about college opt out? Because he looked at what he was being taught.

He understood what was being shoved down his neck was complete nonsense. He understood his MBA professor has never run a business in his life. So what the hell does he have, you know, what working knowledge does he have how to run a business?

So people opt out of college. They don't drop out. And especially if you're paying 200 grand, opt out quicker, you know. It amazes me that people go to university to do an economics degree.

It's like, guys, 200 grand? 200 grand. Where's the economics reasoning here? Like, you know, where on earth is what's the opportunity cost of you paying 200 grand to go and get certificate that says you can do economics?

I mean, for me, it's a clear fail. You haven't understood economic structure at all. Yeah, immediate failure. Yeah. As soon as you sign up, immediate failure. So we've gone off a bit of a tangent, but I can't remember what we were talking about.

We were talking about opt-in classes and talking about, you know, learning about paying a mortgage and borrowing a home. Yes. So they are running a, you know, how to manage money course for the kids to opt into.

And hopefully towards the end of this year, I don't know if you guys have come across Dusat yet on Twitter. The guy in Slovakia. Not sure. Okay. I saw rings a bell, but I can't. I can't place him.

I'm going to screw his name up. Dusat, Muskata. Sorry, Dusat. Do you know, do you know Solix? No, I am. Dinky. Okay. If you send a link, I'll, hang on, I'll check him out. Anyway, I did a, I did a, um, a, an episode with him because he's, um,

managed to get, uh, together and crowd sourced a bunch of, um, funding for him to go out and buy thousands of copies of the Bitcoin Rabbi's, um, Bitcoin money book. Yeah. No, I know. Right.

And he's getting into primary schools. Oh, yeah. I know you're talking about, I know you're talking about. Right. Yes. And, um, do San, do San Matuska? Yeah. Sorry. Sorry, San. I knew I was getting the, the N and the T mixed up somewhere.

So do San Matuska. He came on the show and we talked about his, um, his passion project for interviewing, uh, excuse me, um, bringing, uh, the book to as many primary schools as he could.

And he has like this goal to educate a hundred million people by Bitcoin, uh, about Bitcoin by the end of 2030. And, uh, it's just, um, such a heartwarming thing to see. And we hope towards the end of the year, because what he's doing, he's using a book as a guide and he's going to write a methodology to

teach to each chapter, um, for primary school teachers because they don't know about Bitcoin themselves or Austrian economics. So he's going to do that. And then, um, once he's done that, uh, translating all into English and we hope to bring that course as well to, to Galileo, to teach the kids at a

very basic level about, um, sound money and what is money and fiat money and, uh, money is a technology, uh, medium exchange and all of this stuff that we've, you know, slowly taught ourselves over the last half of many years.

So that's really cool. That would be coming hopefully. Incredible. Yeah. Um, and it's just, but it's just like stuff like this is, is so, uh, important and completely against like the mainstream narrative.

It just, you wouldn't find it. If it weren't for people like, uh, like Dusan putting these kind of passion projects together. So Daniel, with all of your experience with this and homeschooling and obviously Bitcoin, where do you, where do you sit with it in terms of kids not being taught anything to do with finance or a lot of the

things that are actually going to be applicable and useful in their lives, it's more repetition and reading out of textbook. Do you lean on the side where you're saying, Oh, well, it's just because they're incompetent and they haven't actually bothered to update the way that they're teaching these kids.

And it's, it's a mixture of laziness and incompetence and stupidity and just sort of all bundled together. Or do you lean more towards thinking, Hmm, maybe there's a reason they don't want children to be actually taught about money and actually what it is and how it works.

Because if they understood it, there would be serious problems. There would be an uprising. There would be people really saying, well, no, I'm not working for that system. Where'd you sit?

100% the second. The second. Okay. Me too. Just follow, follow the, just follow the, the line of decision-making. We have a top-down structure, right? I mean, who makes the, who makes the curriculum?

Hmm. It's an unelected bureaucrat that all of a sudden is the Minister of Education in whatever country might never have ever worked in education before. Ever. Bam. You are now, Madam. You are now, sir, the Minister of Education.

Because you're a crony of the guy or the woman that just got elected. And what did I inherit? They inherit this curriculum. They'll just put a few bells and whistles on it. They'll make a little bit of noise to say, we're going to change this.

We're going to change that. They might go something like crazy, say, oh, we're going to put in something, a proposal to give kids a Wednesday afternoon off that gets everybody talking and it devises people, you know, straight down the middle, your parents, like, no, that's can never happen.

And yes, this is great. Blah, blah, blah. And it's just all smoke and mirrors. And here we are. We just bounce along. We've been in the same education experiment since the, like, the 1890s when, you know, a main school, a main street in education became a thing.

This is what people miss. We just take it for granted. This is how it is, right? This is, this is, this is still new on the, the history of, like, human timeline, you know, schooling is 150 years old.

You know, out of, like, millennia of, of our existence, we didn't need it before and we won't need it again. And many people have never even touched it. And are very successful entrepreneurs, you know, and many others have done slightly different things.

Maybe they've gone to a democratic school or maybe they've gone completely homeschool or maybe they've done the world school option or maybe they've dipped in and out of different schools and traveled and done Montessori style.

You know, there's a plethora of different ways that we can educate ourselves. And in fact, that should be, that should be the norm. You know, putting everybody into this funnel and insisting that society is always going to learn the exact same thing year after year, we're setting ourselves up for societal collapse

anyway, because we need diversity. It's that basic. But while we're on this, Max, I've pulled up actually. I don't know if you have to put this in the, the show notes. John Taylor Gatto, which I think a lot of people have seen his clips, if not, definitely check them out on YouTube.

He found a book by, I think the guy in his name was John Taylor, and it was the six purposes of school. And he goes through them. There's a very long form interview or there's a short form interview.

I recommend both. But if we just go through now, like the six purposes that he uncovered in this original text of why school came to be in the first place, it all starts to unfold pretty rapidly.

What's going on? And number one is a justive function. That is establish fixed habits of reaction to authority. I mean, come on. Sit down, shut up. That sent shivers down my spine just hearing that.

Think of the fixed habits. Think of the fixed habits you get even from kindergarten. You turn up, coat off on the hook, put the bag there, put your shoes in there, sit down. That's your desk.

You get them from that age. It's really freaking crazy. And then when you go up the ladder and up the ages, there's just slight increments on it. But we all know, I mean, all the parents complain, oh my God, do you get it?

Like when your teenagers get home from school, what's the first thing they do? Well, they pick their phones up and call their friends. And then they're on their phone for hours with the same people that have been sat next to each day.

Like, yeah, because they don't get to talk to them when they're in the bloody Gulag. They're not allowed. So when they get out of the Gulag, they go home and they written their phones. And then they actually talk to each other about their day.

And they complain to each other about, oh, so and so said this. And there's a love triangle over here. And can you believe that teacher's such an asshole and blah, blah, blah. Because that is just how life is.

And then you will walk through these next few points. One, two, integrating conformity function. Develop like-mindedness and unity in thoughts and habits. So again, we have this conformity in thoughts and habits.

Develop like-mindedness. And this, this, you know, this, people argue about school uniform, whether it's good or bad. And the narrative now for the most part, especially in the UK, is, oh, well, it's good.

You know, it gives them a sense of identity. And it takes away bullying in the classroom because everybody can wear, you know, they wear the same things. And, you know, it's like, what a load of bollocks.

Can you listen to what you're actually saying? Actually, what it does is the complete opposite. It niches down bullying. Because all of a sudden, your tie is an inch too short or you've tied it like a half a centimeter too wide.

Or your trousers are a millimeter too long. Or the shoes you're wearing, the wrong shade of black. You know, we've all been through it wearing school uniforms and blazers that, you know, the sleeves on your blazer are just an half an inch too short or whatever else.

So it niches down bullying. But this conformity, right? And develop like-mindedness, look the same, walk the same, sit the same. It's just unbelievable what's going on in a factory. A total factory.

And I tell you what, I'm going to be sick next year when come September, Max, is going to happen in the UK when schools, state schools start issuing uniform masks with the little emblem on them.

Is this something that you're just predicting because it's stupid enough to be dead? A total hunt is going to happen. And I can say now that Daniel is absolutely right and it will definitely happen because it's just stupid enough that it will.

Look, these points, right? I mean, look at what, you know, develop like-mindedness. And so number three here, directive function. Label children to mark them in the class structure. So directive function.

And this is where you start labeling the thickies and separating the- Max, you went to school in the UK. I bet you had a head boy somewhere or a head girl. And they were prefects. I went to a very, very strict military school.

All I can say is I was very fit by the end of it because I was punished every day and did front drives and had to miss breakfast every morning to run up and down until I was sick. That was my school.

Because I asked questions. And yes, we had a head boy and yes, we had prefects. I obviously wasn't one of them. And they had little privileges like they could walk over a little patch of grass that we couldn't, which we did anyway, obviously.

And yeah, absolutely ridiculous. It was not an enjoyable experience. And I actually think I'm more stupid because of school than I would have been if I hadn't gone. And my grandparents paid a lot of money for me to go there as a private school.

It was not cheap. If they'd have just, uh, Bitcoin wasn't around then. But if they'd invested that same amount of money in property or stock market or anything else, I'd have come out of school and they wouldn't actually have probably had to work.

So yeah, it was a complete waste of money and time. But they thought they were doing the right thing, right? This is the social- Of course they did. Yeah, of course they did. Yeah. The social pressure, like surrounding parents and grandparents to make sure that they do the best for their kids in air quotes and

get them in the best schools. And, you know, it just pushes people to making, um, you know, misinformed decisions basically because you get blinded by, you know, what's going on. And the, you know, God forbid anyone should actually sit down and have a conversation with the kid every now and then, you know,

what kind of, how do you learn, like, you know, what's, what's the kind of thing that, instead of the, like, the stock question, what do you want to be when you grow up and just wait for the placement, fireman, you know, pilot, whatever answer and then move on to, okay, here, you know, here you go, you little scamp.

Here's a sweetie. Go run off in the garden. Like, you know, as deep as conversations go up. Um, but again, to come back to these points, uh, number four is different, different, differentiating function, uh, divide and conquer strategy to immobilize the social structure.

So, you know, this is when you start thinking about, um, putting kids into different sets for different, um, things. You know, I remember, um, come the third year that we, that's what it used to be called.

We didn't have grades five, six, seven. I can't even, I don't even remember where they are. Become the third year. It's like, right, you go into set three for English. You're going to set four for France.

You're going to set a French, you go set four for math, then you go into, um, set two for science. Um, I'm bad. You're pigeonholed. And you've divided and conquered, uh, a lot of friendships that have started to build and got everybody feared up again, especially when you've got to go home and tell your parents how I'm in set

four for something and get bollocked and face that, um, you know, shame. It's, um, it's, it's really, it's really damaging and traumatizing. Um, so point five here is selective function preservation of the favored races.

I mean, tag the unfit. Uh, you know, who's the guy that gets chosen last for football? Uh, you know, that the guy that's slightly overweight or, um, God knows what else is, uh, is going on in the classroom.

And, um, you know, you, you'd have seen a military school. So nowhere. Yep. Mm hmm. It, um, it does damage characters. It causes all sorts of issues. And I think for, for kids who don't have any self-confidence, luckily I was a cocky little bastard.

And so it didn't really affect me too much. But I was in bottom set for basically everything. Maths, I had to just stand outside the classroom. I wasn't even allowed into my classroom for maths.

For about a year and a half. Uh, RE, I had to sit outside the headmaster's office. Every RE lesson wasn't allowed in. Um, so my, my labeling in my own mind was like, oh, I'm really stupid then.

Because I'm in the last set for everything. Not even allowed in this classroom. When I ask a question, I get thrown out. And, uh, so I'm really stupid. And so that is a reinforcing thought that you have from, or for me, you know, from whatever four years old or five years old, or whatever you are, till, you know, 16 or whatever.

You're just like, I'm an idiot. And that's not a great way to make someone feel about themselves. And it's also generally wrong. Like I said, the people who were the worst at school did the best.

And the people who were the best at school did the worst. So there's obviously something going wrong there. Yeah. And this one is, uh, hang on. Lauren wants to just, uh, she's getting bored with my renting.

Yeah. So just if you have any questions that you can say them now, because I cannot. Yeah. I do. I do have some questions. So Lauren, with your schooling now, do you look forward to it when you wake up?

Is it something that you think like, I'll give you an example. Like every time, every day I wake up, I get excited because I get to learn about Bitcoin and I get to speak to people who interest me.

Is it the same for you when you go to school? Well, sometimes I just say, oh, just for like five more minutes. Sometimes I just wake up with my hair and I just get on my class. Don't need to do anything.

Don't need to change because all they, all they see is like your head and your shoulders. So I'm just in that, in my pajamas, doing my schedule, playing games with my classmates. And then go downstairs, make my breakfast.

And then just my day comes. Yeah. Even though that takes so much stress away from the family structure. Oh, and the best thing is, I get to wake up at eight thirty, but I change the time to eight thirty seven, because I want to seven more minutes of sleep.

And then, um, you don't have to wake up at seven, get, get changed, have all that stress and then just go, be a bit late and get started at all. And you can skip the classes if you want, but there's sadly no holidays.

Um, well, the point is you holiday when you want. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so, yeah, if you, if you just like get up, you're just like, oh, look at the time. Uh, just, you get on the class and say, hi, so I'm late and they're like, oh, it's fine.

And you're just like, oh, really? So I did a good job of that. They're treating you like an adult. Yeah. And it clearly, it clearly works. I've spoken to the children of Bitcoiners now, a few of them.

Are you being one of them, Lauren? And there is an obvious difference between normal schooling kids and Bitcoiners kids. And I'm sure it extends outside of the classroom. I'm sure it's, you know, that the parents are more involved and talking about subjects that maybe other parents wouldn't talk about.

But it's very, very clear that, uh, you are thinking about things that most people wouldn't. I wasn't at your age. I wasn't thinking about the things you're talking about. And, uh, yeah, it makes me, it makes me excited to see what happens in the future.

What about you, Sollex? Any, any more questions for Lauren? Yeah. One last one, if you have the chance to change anything at your school now, at a home school, what would you change? Are you on mute, Sollex, have we lost you?

No, I heard him. Uh, try again, Sollex. Okay. Uh, so Lauren, if you can change anything about the school, the Galileo school, what would it be? Did you, did you guys hear that? Can you relay the question?

Yeah, so it was Lauren, if you were to change anything at Galileo, what would it be? Oh, okay. So my mom mentioned this, and I thought it was a pretty good idea because the facilitators, like, I, I am so happy they do this, but they get up, like, I don't know.

Gone is what time, like, 3 a.m., 7 a.m., but not 7 a.m., like, that's, that's like a bit, like, you know. But I still, they wake up at 3 a.m., sometimes 6 a.m., to do the classes. And, um, I think sometimes they need a break, but they do it, like, once or twice a week because, like,

the American, sometimes they do the Asia's all alone, and the Europeans, time's ends. Mm-hmm. Um, so, yeah, it's... Wait, I have, oh, yeah, I think they need a vacation for, like, I don't know, like, a week or two.

This is the teachers you're talking about. Yeah, the teachers and kids. So, of course, it's just mostly on, on, um, Galileo, but sometimes they just take a, like, a monthly break, and then they're back on.

So, yeah. But other than that, you're happy. Yeah, I'm happy with everything, and there's, I don't think there's anything else to do. One of your teachers is, uh, is going to take a break for a little while, and you're a little bit upset.

Oh, yeah. I really, really... She got a bit burnt out, maybe. Yeah. Because she was working so hard. It's a startup that's happened, so people were, like, you know, all hands on deck, and, uh, pushing, pushing, pushing really hard.

Yeah. Um, so, yeah, she'll be back there. Don't you worry. Yeah, but I'm working with her. That's so good to hear. Lauren, thank you for sharing that with us, and I hope you'll come on the pod again soon, and, uh, yeah, really nice to speak to you, and good to hear straight from the horse's mouth how it really is at school.

Thank you for having me. Okay. Bye-bye. Bye, Lauren. All right, I can leave you to your background stuff. Hello. Hi. Daniel, can you hear Solex now? Solex, try talking. Hello. Hello. Did you hear that?

No. I don't know what's going on. Ah, really weird. I don't see any waveform on his, uh, on his mic either, so I don't know for whatever reason we've completely lost his audio on my side.

You can hear him, yeah. I can hear him. It wouldn't be this podcast if I didn't have some sort of audio issue. I don't know. I don't think I ever have one without an audio issue. So why don't we close this one out?

I'll send a new link, and then I'll just edit the two together. Let's do it. I'm now recording. So two. Hello. Yeah. Now I see some waveform. Daniel, did you hear that? Yep. We're all back to the three mosquitoes.

Excellent. All right. Cool. I can't remember what we got to now after that. I think I was just saying how nice it is to hear from Lauren to hear how happy she was and asked how it makes you feel to know that your child is so happy.

Yeah, it's, um, it's great, man. Um, you know, we've, we've, we've done the whole spectrum of schooling, I suppose, at this stage. Um, when I think about, you know, we've got four kids, uh, we, we were in Singapore, uh, living in the expat lifestyle for, for many years.

We were out there for 15 years. And you know, that's, that's awesome. But you do fall into some Joneses traps. And one of those being, uh, you know, private education at ridiculous Fiat, um, costs for four to five year olds.

I mean, my God, 30 grand a year to send someone some kids into the finger painting. I mean, what, what, what. Unless they come back with a Picasso. Exactly. Um, so. Yeah. Uh, only Caitlin, only Caitlin experienced that.

Um, and then, uh, she then experienced Singapore state school, which is a gulag to say the very least. Um, like, as, as old fashioned as true and as traditional as you'll get, you know, you're talking.

Hair length skirt length sleeve length, uh, national anthem in the playground every morning. Oh, man. It's just really, really shocking. So glad to escape that. And then we tried, um, the world schooling when we were two and a half years traveling with all the kids with all four of them.

Um, you know, we've. We removed education from state and my God was that freeing. And when you, it's like Bitcoin, right? When you see, you cannot unsee and, uh, you know, all of the, all of the kind of, uh, pre-held beliefs and fixed mindsets.

About getting good grades and what a good education should look like and, you know, defining success and defining a good. Student, defining a good grade, defining, you know, the happiness, like throughout that schooling adventure.

Uh, you kind of just, it all unravels in front of your eyes and you realize, my God, what are we doing to kids? Especially in Asia. Uh, you know, the tiger mums over there. Because it's the only way, um, especially in countries such as.

Taiwan, Hong Kong, South Korea, Japan, Singapore as well, China. Uh, the only way to move up these, um, social structures, these class systems or caste systems, whatever you have. Is to have this kind of all shiny kind of certification from the best schools.

And the only way you're going to get that is if you really can cream it from the age of six, seven or eight at math. That's how they sought the kids, uh, over there. So you've got to be a math genius or forget it.

Um, and we saw this exposed very, very, you know, starkly when, uh, Caitlin was tested. She went through these tests at seven or eight and we were just like, what is this like seriously? And we were told, right?

Okay. Yeah. She's going to go into set X for this set X for that set X for this. You're like, okay, yeah, fine, fine, sounds good and set three for English. Will I say that again? We are English.

She speaks perfect English. She's a native English speaker. What, what is it that you're looking for from the kids? Oh, no. Her grandma's not good enough and her cursive isn't good enough.

We're like, Oh my God. Like just what are you saying? Um, and then there were, there are other kids that, um, could barely even, um, you know, Mandarin would have been their, their mother tongue, obviously.

So the English would have been, uh, even more difficult, but they would end up in set one for English because they trumped the math and you're like, okay, I get it. This is how they're ordering their society.

And this is back to, you know, one of Gatto's points, uh, where he, um, he talks about, um, well, that's point number six. Prope du, uh, prope-du-tic function. I can't say that word. Never heard of it.

Prope-du-tic function. Grooming of those. Grooming of those in high, and you are verbose, Max. Uh, grooming, grooming of those in higher classes to manage the lower classes. Um, so you put all of these kids in these top sets or again, Max, back to like the head boy or the, um, the head girl and the prefects.

And so you are starting them out on this journey of societal structure. And those that are cleverer are going to be rewarded and they're going to be your bosses and those that are in the middle or towards the bottom, you're fucked.

And you're never getting out of the, like, uh, the, the housing projects or whatever. And you're only ever going to be doing manual, manual tasks or, you know, and it's so insidious. So like this comes all the way back to your original question.

Do I think there's something to this? It's not a thought mate. It's, I know there's something to this. I know the system is set up in such a way to dumb down society and to, um, uh, you know, the preservation of favored races as Gatto talks about and to groom those in higher classes and to label those in lower classes.

And a perfect example, uh, my, my daughter did a socio economics, uh, class. So my oldest daughter, Caitlyn, she's 15, almost 16. She chooses to go to the local lease. Right. She's, she's like, I want to go there.

I want to grab those certificates. I know I can do this. Mm hmm. So she's a native English speaker, but she now speaks fluent French. And she's caught in this positive reinforcement loop.

And she's been caught. She's been groomed. Um, as like a class president or class representative, whatever they call them here. So she's in that, she's in that group. Uh, I try and keep her eyes and ears wide open to what's going on.

Uh, just so she's fully aware of what's going on. Um, but she was saying that she come back out of this socio economic class. And the flapping head was saying, right. Okay, basically, here's a good way to judge society and people within society.

Uh, if you can just look at certain families and you can tell whether they're in the rich class or the poor class because of the way that they spend their spare time. Now, if the father is playing golf, for example, and one of the children is doing horse riding, they're going to be in the rich family.

And if maybe the father is going to the pub and drinking with his friends and his son is playing football, they're more likely to be in the lower classes. And I'm like, what the fuck? This is really?

And she's like, yeah, I couldn't believe what was coming out of her mouth. I'm like, well, I'm glad you realize that's complete bullshit. Um, and the hidden message behind this teaching because this will be in a page of a book, right?

They will be tested on this knowledge. And so, but she's walking out with kids that aren't aware as she is and doesn't have a dad like me, you know, trying to knock all of this freaking brainwashing nonsense out of her and any of her friends.

But her friends were coming up to her and like, well, did you want that playgirl for? Yeah. And you do horse riding. Yeah. But my brother plays football. So, you know, so we're rich and poor.

Yeah. And my dad plays golf with a tinny in his hand. He gets going round the golf course. So it's, but this is what is still being taught in these classrooms in 2021. And there's not a laptop in sight.

And there's not a thought in sight. And they're still not allowed to challenge the narrative. So it's just pointless. It's unbelievable. Yeah. The question is, is that intentional or just echo chamber behavior?

I agree. Intentional. I agree. Intentional. Intentional. Yeah. So I don't have kids. I don't know anything about schooling. Daniel, you do, you know, everything about schooling and you've got four kids.

So, you know, in terms of the education side, I don't know, fuck all. But what I do know is I've looked at every other system that is in this fear structure. I've looked at every other hierarchical system.

And they are all the same. The more I look at it, the more I think there are decisions made here. Which are not just their stupidity sprinkled in there, obviously. But the main goal seems to be keep the population stupid.

Keep the population busy. Keep the population arguing about things that do not matter to distract them from what is really important. And that's the kind of goal. And so, as soon as that slips, as soon as you allow the kids who are in the bottom set who are maybe thinking a bit differently and you've labeled a certain way,

they're the ones who are going to be the thinkers, the dreamers, the doers that are going to change the world. You don't want them to do well. And you don't want people to be able to excel because you want to keep them in debt.

You want to keep them poor. You want to keep them on the treadmill for as long as you can. You don't really want them to eat well or experience life the best way they can. Because you want them to die quickly.

You don't want to pay for the health care. So, it seems as though it would just be logical that if you are that much of an asshole. And that's obviously across all the different systems. If they're doing it in all the other systems, is it really that much of a stretch to think it was done at school?

And looking back at my schooling, it was absolutely brainwashing. It was building little drones, little drones that do as they're told. And yeah, just going on that, it seems logical that they are, there is fuckery effort.

I think I heard Gato say as well recently on another clip I was watching of him. He said, "I'll have the paraphrase." But something along the lines of school is a testing ground for implementing stupid rules or for testing stupid rules.

And that's where you can test on these young, impressionable young minds how obedient is the next generation going to be. And what makes me sick now is what they're doing with the masks on kids.

Because this is an attack on that generation to normalize having your respiratory system completely compromised. And nobody raising a hand and questioning in it. And it's happened for the last year.

And my daughter gets very annoyed with me because I won't shut up about it. And I challenge her and her friends. I'm like, "My God, we live in a country where they will dump cow shit on the motorway if they raise the level of petrol prices by two cents.

But you guys have to go and sit in a classroom for eight hours a day and move between corridors and whatever else. And you're not allowed to breathe, you know, the fresh air even in recreation.

You're like masks off parade around with them in the air like mass protest. You've got to take charge. But they won't. They won't be. And it's really very, very dangerous what's happening here because the psychological fallout for kids being told.

Not only are they being told to sit down and shut up, but they're now, they've been dehumanized completely and muzzled. Like physically muzzled. This is a physical attack on their face. It's disgusting.

And I can't believe it's still happening. But you think that's why? Do you think that's why is that, like you said, this is a testing ground. So it's get them in, create stupid rules that make no sense and continuously brainwash them with it.

And if they ask a question like, "This seems like a really stupid rule." It makes no sense. There's no reason for it and it doesn't help anyone. All it does is cause problems. Could we maybe fuck that rule off?

Detention. And you just hit with that and hit with that and hit with that until you either get expelled or you just learn to shut up. And then what happens is they come out of school. And then when someone says, "Right, everyone wear a mask?"

And you go, "Well, hold on, isn't that a bit fucking stupid?" Because it doesn't actually help anyone. The masks don't actually stop the spread of this virus. And surely, like, freedom over someone's own body would be more important than spreading this virus.

It doesn't really kill anyone. And there's no real evidence to support the fact that this would work. Isn't that a bit fucking stupid? And because they've already been trained through school to just go along with stuff that doesn't make sense for so long.

They just go, "Okay, then. Fine. I'll do that. I'll just do as I'm told." Look where we are now. Look where we are now. The narrative is, if we all just go and get the vaccine, we can all get back to normal.

People have been beaten so far into submission that they're ready to be. Even these tests, we know they've been debunked to these PCR tests. We know they're complete and utter bullshit. There's no way in the world we should be doing this to people.

But you cannot get on a plane without being, what was the nose raped? Like doing this to kids. It's just unbelievable. There's so much fuckery at play that it's just, I think we're living through.

I was with Badas today, so Badminton, we met up for a lot. Oh, dear. He's trouble. He's trouble that way. And we were talking about this and it's like, you know, the times we're living through right now, where just so many people are asleep to what's actually going on.

And this is really, really like shockingly bad. And just like an anecdote or quick story, when we were growing up, Solax, you probably had the same kind of saying in your country. But boomers used to say, especially in the UK, you know, well, if someone told you to put your head in an oven, would you do it?

Yeah. I think 95% of fuckers right now would go and do that if they would go. Definitely. If it comes from a scientifically responsible organization certified by the government. Yep. You're right. They absolutely would.

Yeah. What does the world come to you? How does it make you feel, Solax, you know, you're obviously thinking about homeschooling. It's obviously something that's, you know, on your mind. How does this conversation make you feel when you've got your son, which, you know,

we've had a few conversations. I can tell this is just everything to you. Your son is everything to you and you have an incredible relationship between the two of you. How does it make you feel when you hear this conversation? What's going through your head?

Oh, a lot of things actually. First of all, I don't see that intentional dumbing down, but that's just my personal experience and how Solax boy handles different things as well. The schooling system here is also very different than my schooling system.

I had a terrible school going youth. There it was really dumbing down, not fitting in whatever was coming. Not fitting in class, not fitting in the group was just a living hell for me and how I see how Solax boy goes now to school and how the teacher is really

living for the children. I'm really happy that I'm living here just for the benefit of the kids being able to go to this school. But the mask is terrible and there is a lot of stupidity, but it doesn't feel imposed or planned.

I believe in the past it was planned because I think it was actually in the pot from Princey with Max Hillibrand where the same topic was actually touched and I remember it correctly. It made sense in the past because they had to train the drones to work in the factory.

So I believe historically it is correct and I believe that we are now just stuck in the mass behavior of people, the mob thinking in the same old terms, not being able to change enough. What about the kids though?

The kids are very good. I was going to say, if it is old school thinking from either when you went to school or Princey went to school or I went to school, there is not a massive age gap between us, but a few years.

What about the kids now? Because when I speak to a lot of people, maybe like 16, 17, 18 years old, and this is a massive generalisation because I also speak to some geniuses of that age, but the average person I speak to in the UK is a fucking idiot.

Just saying the same thing that everyone says on repeat, there is no thought, there is no bollocks basically, everyone sort of neutered. They are like little drones just talking about the same climate change stuff being about whether someone is a he, she, her, something, whatever.

It is all the same drivel. And you just think like, what happened to the kids who fought back, who had some guts, who had some thought? It seems to me that it has got worse, not better. But maybe that is a UK thing.

Maybe where Seoul Expo is actually a good school, and that is great if it is. First of all, it is a global thing, or at least I experienced that here as well, less as in other countries, like where I am originally from, but it happens everywhere.

The best thing about the school here is that they only have half a day of school, and afterwards they can have those school organised after our thing is that they are optional. So, Seoul Expo doesn't do anything in school there, he just does his programming or thinks he is interested in at home.

This is the golden age of internet, and he is looking up the stuff that he wants to learn himself, and my task as a parent is just to kindle his curiosity, and for the rest he has to find the things out for himself.

For the people being dumbed down, it is more about, in my personal opinion or in my view, it is more about people trying to conformism in bigger groups, and that being a lot of social media, media, mass media,

the group studies are clean and school as well, but it is a reinforcing system, like the old school system, the people that live in it, politicians talking to the mobs, not putting in what is best for the people, but putting in law what the people want, or what I think that is going to get them elected again next year,

they don't care about what is happening, they care about being elected again. The news is bringing only the news that brings the viewers, which brings the sponsors, the advertisers don't want to bring the right information, they want to bring the emotions that sell,

the people or the teenagers do not want to, they don't care that much about he, she, them, whatever, which is now the hype, they just want to fit in with the narrative at that moment,

and I'm probably the weirdest voice in voicing this, because I'm even in this talk now,

the anti-conformist, I just believe more in the stupidity of the masses than in the evil doing of smaller groups, or in the, I don't believe so much in the intelligence of such evil doers,

I don't give them the credit to plan this out, let me put it like that, and yeah, I have to, maybe it's a self-defense mechanism, because I see myself, my task as giving Soul Expoi, all the chances he can get without pushing him too much in any direction.

And so, whichever way you lean, I will always believe that sociopaths and psychopaths will get to the top of hierarchical structures, because they are smart and they are ruthless and they're built for it, and therefore, when they get there, they're going to act like sociopaths and psychopaths,

and so this is what they would do, but that doesn't mean it's right, and whichever way it is, whether it's incompetence or it's evil, I think, you know, the thing is, we need to make sure that children have the best education possible, and that we look towards building a better future, so...

There, I agree completely. Yeah, so, in that case, Daniel, with what you have learned from all the different types of education that you've gone through with your kids, and this is obviously a subject that's very, very close to your heart.

I know from the first time we ever met, we talked at length about it, and it's something you're passionate about, so if we were going to say, right, we're going to try and go on to, hopefully, one day, a Bitcoin standard, and all the stuff that we're doing pays off, what do we do? Like, we've got our citadels,

we've got a family, and we're wanting to make sure that they are educated in the best way. How would you look at designing this system and suggesting to people the different ways at which they could help their kids?

It takes a citadel to raise a kid, right? As the old saying goes. Yeah, it's so difficult to try and put any kind of, you know, if we've moved away from centralized structures, the last thing we want to do is then sit down and try and be the psychopath that fixes the centralized structure,

and we should do education. There isn't a way. Like, there truly isn't. Put the trust back in the individual and put the trust back in the kid and let them be their own light, and let them lead their own way and find their own paths, and I did an interview with Peter Gray and his book,

Freedom to Learn, I think it's called "I Should Know" because I've got it just behind me somewhere. Anyway, go back and listen to the episode because he takes us through the journey of the arc of how we got to be where we are today with our education system,

and, you know, he does a brilliant job of studying all of the data that he could get together from anthropologists that had lived with and interacted with hunter-gatherer tribes and taken everything back to its bare-risk bones and then building all up to modern day and trying to figure out where it's all gone wrong in the middle.

And he came to the conclusion that kids learn through play. That's how they best learn, and this is absolutely essential. And that is basically what still happens to this day within the hunter-gatherer tribes that you can still find in the deepest depths of Amazon, Jungle, or wherever else they might be hiding out.

That's what they do. That's what they do. They grow up imitating their elders, whether that's even their mother or father, or different family elders who they've gravitated towards for whatever reason.

Now, we just don't see that anymore in modernity. You know, like, if there's a bunch of families hanging around together, you will notice for whatever reason one of the little kids is going to gravitate towards another adult.

You can't ever put your finger on it, and they're going to come over and they're going to ask questions. You know, I've had this, and we live in such a time now where if a kid is in a playground and a strange kid comes up to talk to another strange adult, it's like alarm bells start ringing, you know, stranger danger.

Why is that boy over there talking to that man, and why is that man talking back to that boy, and all of these kind of side with glances, we've moved so far away from what we just naturally do.

Now, what we should do, if we are in the citadels, is just let all of that play out. And wherever that kid is finding an interest, whether that's fishing with the guy from, you know, citadels to 24 up the road, because he likes to go fishing or whether he's putting with the guy from because he likes to go and play golf.

And, you know, just letting things evolve. So he's wealthy then, this bit corner, big golfer. Or play football with the guy from the lives just over the wall, you know. I think this is actually reverting back to Dunbar's number because this result of society becoming too big

that we don't know anymore who we're living with. So if you live in a smaller society, then there is no problem because you know who it's talking to. And now it's a stranger. That's true. I think it might be an idea as well to recover or go back over the reason for the mestadel.

So he was talking about Dunbar's number there. And we're talking about whatever it is, 150. But it would be nice to be able to communicate with more. And so, Solax, can you talk about how this mestadel idea came about with you and Solax's boy?

And really what the idea is about, just so Daniel can hear it and also anyone who might have not listened to the previous episodes. So I think that's important. In very short, we were doing a small mind game where we did hypothetical situations.

Quickly came to the question, "How will you build your own citadel?" And in different strategical situations, we came quickly to the conclusion that for Bitcoiners to survive citadel on its own is not survivable.

You need a network of people and places where you can get to. And that's how we came to the idea of the mestadel, where different Bitcoins from different locations can work together to form a mesh of people that they really trust.

And then we came to the Dunbar number to explain if too many people come together, then it becomes impossible. The more people who come together, the smaller the level of trust can be. So even in those bigger numbers, you will always have smaller groups and tribes within a mestadel, sort of speaking.

Yeah, it's the idea of getting Bitcoiners organized to survive this hellish world that's becoming our modern society. And yeah. Yeah, I love the idea. I think it's a great idea. And the way to answer, again, Max, with your question about how would you set education up like that,

imagine that where you could spend a year or so in a different citadel location amongst trusted people and feed off that vibe, feed off that village or citadel, whatever you want to call it.

And in one place you're learning about robotics, another place you're learning about math, another place you learn in a different language, another place you're building nodes or whatever. This is the education that I think that would just naturally flow and you would pick and choose where you went.

And this is actually happening. This isn't theory. This is what Galileo is going to start rolling out next year. Once all of this nonsense is over and we can start traveling, because there's already over 200 families around the world that are on this platform,

families are going to be open to be able to open something that they can call a dojo where, say, for example, if I'm in France here, I could hire out the local cell to fit for a couple of days a week and run different courses in there or just have meetups and bring the kids in.

And maybe one of the parents can put on a course about cooking or maybe one of the parents can put on a course about forestry or gardening or, you know, whatever different skills different people have.

And you'll soon shake out the kids that aren't particularly interested, but you'll soon latch on to the ones that are. And that's when you can truly mentor, because, you know, kids are born to learn, but adults, this is what adults have lost.

We've lost that drive to mentor kids. It's so deeply ingrained in us to want to help people, but we just don't get the chance anymore because society has been so fractured.

And I believe again, Max, that is all part of the grand structure to fracture families, you know, attack the family unit, and school does play a huge part in that. It truly does. It's so damn stressful on families.

You know, the whole education system, it doesn't serve the teachers. The teachers can't teach the way they want to teach. They can't mentor. They can't work to their own structures.

They can't work to their own timetables because they're pushed every minute of the day by their head of department who's getting pushed every minute of the day by their headmaster who's getting pushed every minute of the day by the governing body who's getting pushed by the people above them.

And all of this is just a total breakdown. And when it gets back to the family, you know, you've got kids coming home. The first thing they do is open the books at the dining table and they've got three hours of homework.

And you've got no time with your family. You've got no time with Mum and Dad. When you ask for Mum and Dad's help, because you can't do the homework, Mum and Dad have fear and anxiety because they can't help.

And they just get flashbacks and psychological baggage from their own days at school. Then there's tears and arguments and everybody goes to bed angry and then it's up first thing in the morning.

You eat toxic shit for breakfast and then you just throw them in the car and then you get chucked them out at the gates and then you rush off to your work. And this whole system repeats itself. So what do we get?

We have tired, angry, stressed, broken, divorced families. You can ask the guys at what have happened in 1971. They'll have a graph for this. Yeah, divorce rates. Yeah, divorce rates. It's unbelievable.

Absolutely. Yeah, you're so right. And not to mention, even if the parents did think they could help with the homework, most of the parents who are trying to support their family and trying to do well are either working one really fucking hard job or two jobs and they're shattered.

And that's, you know, if they are coming home, it might not be until eight o'clock or nine o'clock in the evening after traffic and travel and everything else and their email is still going off.

So like you said, the amount of time that families are really getting to spend quality time together is practically zero. And that is mental. And then you get back to another point you made, which is like, you know, people or children learn from mentors and then this mentorship has been lost.

And I know from personal experience, like people have said to me before, Oh, would you ever consider teaching art? Like, would you ever, we lost Max this time? Damn. You're back, audience.

Did you hear me? No, but you were about to fly into a beauty of a rant and then you dangled the carrot and then you were gone. Where did you hear up to? Oh, God, it was getting good. You were just saying, you know, a time that the family gets to spend with each other is practically zero.

Yeah, yeah, it is. It's practically zero. And then basically my to finish up the rant was to say that on top of that, you know, this mentorship idea is something that I really like the idea of.

Like, I'd love the idea if if someone wanted to learn from me, I'd be happy to teach, you know, it's something that I would enjoy to do. But people have asked me before, Oh, would you consider teaching art? Would you do like a workshop or would you do something around that?

And I'm like, fuck no. Why not? Well, I don't want all the regulation. I don't want to have parents who are telling me what I can and can't say or do. I want to teach them in the way I want to teach them. I don't want to have to box check.

I don't want to have to go and get specialist insurance. I don't want to have to go and get this certificate. If someone wants to come and like come and paint with me for the day and their kid wants to paint, cool, come along.

And the same thing, like if I had a kid who loved music, I'd go go and speak to bad as for the day. Go on. Go and speak. I know that he is a genius with music. Go and speak to bad as and I trust him and I'd go, right, they want to learn from you.

And I'm sure he would help. And that's the thing. That's where real connections can be made and real learning can happen. But I think it's like through fear that I would never want to do it. Before I'm with a Bitcoin, I'd be like, yeah, okay, it's a trust thing and like we'll work something out.

But in sort of normal society, not a chance. And all the teachers that I know, they fucking hate their job. And they say, well, I can't do my job properly. I can't teach. So it is just as broken.

The three points I want to come on to and I'm forgetting probably one of them. But one is first of all, we should get rid of the term teaching or the willingness to teach something. Children will learn, but we do not need to teach them.

If they're interested enough, they will learn themselves what they need to learn, but they will find information and teach themselves.

You want learning by experience, by doing. And if they have questions, they will ask and that's the only thing that I don't like about school is that they want to put information and just jam it in the brain.

My task as a parent is just to make my son and my daughter curious enough to go hunting for their information themselves.

And then about a mentorship would be done exactly doing that, letting children learn by themselves by doing and having somebody nearby to ask the questions and to explain the physical elements of those actions that they're doing.

Even maybe some theory behind it, but it's not about to go back to Perma culture, for example, the link from the previous podcast. Being with your hands in the dirt will teach more about gardening than about learning about the chemicals that's being broken down within that structure.

It's about doing things and learning and seeing and feeling. And that's what mentorship should be in my personal opinion. And then the second part that I wanted to say, and third, I indeed forgot as just as I predicted, by Bitcoin, by taking out the trust out of money.

We introduced the value of trust between people again.

And that's also something you said with Nonya, I think that how important it is that because Bitcoin makes money trustless, our owner system, our name becomes really important because if you do the wrong thing, you're going to lose your name and everybody's going to know that this is not somebody I can trust.

And just that principle of, okay, I can send my kids to Princey to learn French with children there or do something, learn some real finance. Why is the money broken?

I would trust Princey because his name is also very important for him because it's a part of who he is. And if he would break the trust, that's instantly with a whole bunch of people that trust would be broken.

Whereas here in the neighborhood, I'm not eager to send my kid on a campaign, for example, because I don't know those people and I don't know even the people that they know it's just a job for them.

They wouldn't carry the same responsibility. Yeah, absolutely. That's I, that's the third point, that was the missing key for me in Galileo was the physical aspects of those dojo's really interest me, although I'm here in a complete backwater, I don't think anybody would start anything here.

But yeah, that's a very promising development there as well, because I think the physical element is kind of important. You don't have it in school even, but I think a torture might be the missing link.

Yeah, 100%. I can't wait for these things to start popping up around the world. And this is hopefully how we can start planning our travel going forward. We can, you know, we can ask the kids, you know, where do you have friends on Galileo, Portugal? Okay, brilliant. That's easy. We can drive there.

Let's sort out a weekend. It will go down and, or a week, excuse me, and spend the weekend with a family and then check out the dojo for a couple of days and spend the other time as a family, doing touristy stuff and exploring old towns and villages and, you know, local

urbaners and all the stuff that we like to do when we travel. And then you mix all of that up. So you have the social side, the physical side, the world schooling side. You have the online clubs. You can jump on to any point.

And I mean, this sounds like, I mean, people listening in, but yeah, yeah, it's all very well and good. But this is happening. This isn't theory. Like this is actually happening. This is in practice.

And Galileo is not the only company doing this. There are plenty out there. There's a lot of work going on. And over the next 10 years, we're just going to see more and more of this come to the.

Come to the forefront because people are getting more remote. We've talked about this so much before. Like, you know, if COVID's done anything, it's woken the people were out up to the fact that living around big cities doesn't have to be the be or an end to anymore. They can move. They can be gone.

And if they can go remote with their work, they can go remote with their kid's school too. Wow. Like the the possibilities that now just open up in front of people are huge. But it's, you know, this paradox of choice is what is just as crippling to people as well as the fear of making that decision of taking that leap of that that.

Move of moving away from people say, Oh, yeah, well, we couldn't we we can never move away because, you know, we've got all our friends and family here. But at the same time, we've just discussed how there's just no community left.

There are no communities, right? That's gone. You know, the only way you're going to build a new community is to to live somewhere more rural and actually get to know the people that you're living around and start leaning on them for the goods and services that you need

and trusting them and getting to know them because God knows how many people live in colder sacks in the UK and never met their neighbors. I mean, what world are we in? It's mental. Max, how often do you hang out with your neighbors? Do you even know who's, you know, across the road?

Yeah, we had a we had a big get together yesterday, actually. No, literally, we've got you smashed my thesis. I actually did that just so that you couldn't be smug. I don't speak to my neighbors at all. I and I don't do it.

You were fucking with me. Yeah, I was fucking with you. Yeah. No, I don't. I don't. I will generally win because I move a lot. So I've moved eight times in the last two years.

So I, what I tend to do is I will introduce myself when an opportunity arises. And if they're elderly or, you know, they look like they need some help. I say, no, if you ever need any help, just come on and knock on my door. If you ever need anything, I'm here. That'll be that'll be it.

But I won't chat to them or talk to them or anything like that because I don't know. I don't like the chit chat. I don't know the service level stuff. And I also don't like generally most people that I meet.

So if I was in a group because they just, you know, they're going to come around and get, Oh, what do you think about the new lockdown? I go, well, same as every lockdown. I'm fucking ignoring it. Like, don't talk to me about that shit.

So I don't bother with them. But if I was in a citadel and I was around sort of like my dear, like free thinking individuals, then, of course, it would be a different story.

And I think your point is that it's wrong that you don't know your neighbors and it's wrong that you don't communicate because they're right next door and you should be there to help each other.

And then you're absolutely right. It is absolutely crazy. But yeah, I definitely fall in that category. I am the grumpy neighbor that doesn't speak.

But it's also because our time became so valuable as Bitcoiners that you don't want to cope with the time sieve that those people become talking about shallow things. I just don't want to spend time sitting half an hour listening to things that do not interest me.

And I will do something else in that half an hour alone, if need be. You don't want to sit down and discuss the news. No, Alex, is that what you're saying? Yes, yes.

Do not have any inclination to do that. It's amazing, though, isn't it? People wake up and they just switch on the news or they pick up the newspaper and, you know, just so that they can find their narrative for the day so they can navigate their conversations for the day.

Because if I don't watch the news and if I haven't read the newspaper, I'm going to look like an absolute idiot when so and so says to me, "Oh, so what do you think about this?" And I look misinformed or I look ill-informed or I look, I'm just going to look stupid."

So they get addicted to watching and listening or reading this shit and it's, "Oh my God, I just get so triggered now." If I walk past the television and there's a news cast on it, it's so freaking bad.

But like, people are addicted to it, man. Like 10 o'clock news at max in the UK. The 10 o'clock news, I still think boomers, boomers especially. They're like, you know, all right, let's, you know, we have boomers that, you know, are anxious as fuck.

You know, oh, really? So what do you do? 10 o'clock every night? Let me guess. You either go and make yourself a cup of tea or coffee, caffeine at 10 p.m., to go and sit down in front of the most depressing half hour of bullshit that you could ever hope for.

And then to top it off, they're going to give you a five minute local news where someone's been shot stabbed, raped and murdered, you know, just a couple of corners over at the same time. Yep. And then they're going to top you off with the weather, which generally, if you're in the UK, is going to be shit.

Or if they tell you it's going to be sunny the next morning, you go to bed with at least that little glimmer of hope and you wake up and it's raining and the rest of your day's fucked anyway.

It's so true. Or sit on Facebook is the other thing because that's the new boomer thing. Anyone sort of 50, 60, 70, they sit on Facebook. They share stupid little videos between one another that actually have no fact checking or anything like that.

Post stupid little comments. And that's what they do. And it's just like, and they just reinforce each other's ideas and things that they've seen on the news.

And when you said, you know, you're either misinformed or misinformed, that's absolutely true. You either don't watch the news and you're not informed about what they're sort of brainwashing you about, or you're really informed because you're watching it and it's bullshit.

And, and it is through fear of sounding stupid and there's a, there's a quote or a quote at the beginning of what was the film called fucking brain lay me down as usual, the big short.

I don't know if you remember that, that part where the big short they're saying, you know, everyone, when you ask someone about what happened in 2008, they will reel off a little spiel that they've heard that they don't understand so that they sound like they're not stupid.

But they do not understand. And that's so true in every walk of life. Like everyone has an opinion. Everyone has a few things that they can reel off, but nobody understands it.

And so it's just one person going to another person telling them something that they don't actually know about. And then the other person trying to argue something that they also don't know about.

And that's that half hour conversation with your neighbor. And so, you know, to Soul X's point, that's why many people just ignore it because it's just like, fuck, it's such a waste of time like talking about politics and talking about all the COVID rules and all this stuff.

And you're like, do you know what, I could actually be going and learning something useful. I could actually go and spend time with my family. I could actually go and go to the gym and I'd feel a bit better or do something.

So I think that is probably why Bitcoin is sort of doing that. And probably why we spend so much time talking to each other because it's just like, oh, thank God, back to reality. It's so true. And I remember when my wife Claire and I were trying to figure out, you know, our next stage of life, right, I wanted to quit my job.

That was that was absolutely 100% clear. And I wanted to spend more time with the kids and we wanted to travel.

And all of these pieces of the puzzle started falling into place and we started doing a deep dive, the route that the research, the rabbit holes into self directed education alternative education, home schooling, world schooling,

other videos, John Taylor ghetto, John Holt, second Robinson, Peter Gray did the lot, right? Over four months, it was, it was quick, deep and concise research.

And bam, come to the decision decision made, start telling friends and family. Everybody tells you the complete opposite. Everybody tells you you're fucking crazy. What are you doing? What do you mean you're going to give away? You can't do that. You can't take away.

You can't take the kids out of school. That's absolutely, that's a non starter. There's nowhere in the world. You can do that. They're going to be stupid. They'll never be able to socialize. They'll never get a job. They're going to be so far behind in life.

You're being irresponsible. You're being selfish. Just because what makes you so special, what you don't want to work anymore. Yes. Not do I, but doesn't mean I, you know, I've got kids to put through school and so do you. So fucking man, I'll get back in your seat and carry on and all of this.

And you just like, you almost get talked out of it. And then like it was, it was an epiphany. It's like, I'm taking advice from people who've never fucking done something they've given me advice about.

Like there's no working knowledge here. None. Zero. So I can discount every bit of it. But to your point that they have opinions like ourselves, right? Everybody's got one.

And they don't think there's things. And so that's when we realized we needed to find the validation and we found the validation via a few family blogs and listening to podcasts of other families that would do any exact same type of thing that we were trying to achieve.

And, you know, this is what you're trying to do with this pot. People are trying to find validation in whatever it is. You know, Bitcoin, as we know, all roads lead to Bitcoin, whether that is the previous guests that you've had on people looking for validation

and, you know, perhaps up in stick selling their house, go and start a permaculture garden somewhere and live off the land. Brilliant. Go do that. But you start telling people that this is your plan.

They're going to look at you with cross eyes and think you're fucking gone in the head. But when you find that person has done it and you can see, Oh my God, look at how they live. This is exactly what I want. If you can find the validation. And, you know, this is what we do with the Bitcoin podcast as well.

Yeah, you got to be fucking crazy to leave the fiat monetary system. Of course you do. This is all you've ever known. And the only expert advice you've ever had from the flapping fuckwits on television, the forcing inflation down your neck

and inflation is good and make sure you put your money and your eyes and all of this dog shit. And this other freaking band of merry men and charlatans that are coming around and selling you all of this freaking stupid investment thesis

and modern monetary theory and funds that lock your savings up for 25 years and aren't even going to outpace inflation. All of that expert witness stuff.

And he got this band of morons over here saying, guys, fuck that, Bitcoin's the thing. They're not going to listen to us. They're not until they're like, huh, those guys are still going on about it.

They've done hundreds of podcasts about it. There's people around the world doing this. And they're not just talking to flapping heads. They're talking to real people, plebs. Like, OK, that's when we can start drawing people in and helping them educate and not mentor. To a certain extent, anyone can DM any three of us, right?

And we would absolutely 100% mentor them. I've been mentored by so many people. So yeah, mentor is the word. I would say the amount of people that have helped me on my journey, sitting up a note with God's sake.

Yeah, there's so much isn't there. And all Bitcoin is that's what I love is like it is mentorship, but it's everyone has different skills and different areas.

And one person might have some incredible insight in finance and other persons really technically savvy and they all will help each other. And between all of us, we sort of just work it out.

That's another one of these features with Bitcoin, which is like a hidden feature is like the fuck you feature, which is, you know, I can I can imagine now the conversation that you had with the people who were telling you how stupid you were to take your kids out of school.

However, many years ago it was. And the conversation now. I imagine it would go very differently and that the conversation now would be fuck you. I'll do what I want. This is the best thing. I trust my opinions. I was right about Bitcoin. I'm right about this. And you do what you want with your shitty little family.

I'll do what I think is best of mine. Fuck off. And I think like that is a really useful feature with Bitcoin is that it just cuts through the bullshit and it saves so much time just being able to say fuck off.

It's so, so important. Yeah, it's, I mean, it gives you so much. Yeah, to your point, Max, actually, that you know, it's those conversations that they really come up.

It's like, you know, you always judged on your original decision and never the results, right? Because to be judged on the results would mean that that person made, you know, bad projections in the first place. And this happens throughout all sectors of business as well.

I mean, people working like you brought up earlier working for psychopathic bosses or sociopaths that rise to the top of these hierarchical structures. But yet once you once you do have Bitcoin under your belt and you've got it a little bit and you're holding some of it.

And you see the change it has in your thinking and in your demeanor and in your confidence about the future. It's a powerful thing. It's very, very hard to explain to people that have never been through that or aren't willing to even because, you know, they see it as too risky or there.

It comes back again to education, right? No, I don't know anything about financial markets. I've never been good with money. I've never been good with math. I don't like financial markets. Oh, no, no, no. And they'll just find any high level fud or kind of excuse in their own personal intellect and make a little bit of a joke about it.

Oh, no, I'm too thick to understand that. You know what? I'm like, yeah, I'm going to the next shot. And then move on to the next shallow topic, right? But yeah, once you have put that work in a little bit to your point, Max, yeah, it does give you a voice.

It gives you that opportunity to turn around and say, you know what? No, this is a bollocks. I'm not standing for this anymore. And I don't need to because I'm not dependent on their money.

The way their money's fucked. It's broken. It's disgusting. It's an absolute Ponzi scheme. It's the biggest scam and criminal racket ever known to man. And I'm slowly edging out of that. And with with every little footstep closer to the end goal.

Feels great. Hmm. Yeah, I think we're all on that journey. I mean, from what we were discussing just before the pod, we're all on that journey of trying to just get away from that disgusting fuck of a system and then just trying to get back to something that means something

and there's truth to it. And, you know, it starts with Bitcoin and it leads down all these other different rabbit holes. And it really is that fix the money, fix the world idea. It's, you know, once you get the sound money and you see that there is a better system and there is hope.

You start to improve on every other aspect of your life. And that's so powerful. And that's something with the education, which, yeah, it's been really cool to hear from Lauren about it all. It's been really cool to hear, you know, how all this is set up and about the dojo's

and all that kind of thing, because it just makes sense. Like I'm listening to what you're saying. And like, even if I didn't know you and you weren't a bit coiner and I had this conversation, I'll just be like, why is it that I'm speaking to this bloke who's making

all the sense. And then I speak to any other school or someone talking about education and they just talk drivel. There must be something more to this. It can't just be surface level. It can't just be the right Daniel Prince is the best salesman on the planet. And he's, he's not talking any sense, but it sounds good.

It can't be that it has to be more depth. And it clearly is because, you know, speaking to Lauren, she's, she's enjoying doing the pod. She's, you know, this thing about socializing. Oh, well, they won't be able to socialize.

She's having conversations with some of the smartest Bitcoiners on the planet almost every day and holding her own. And well, the best podcaster in the whole space. So if she can't socialize, where's the proof to this? It doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, that the socializing myth has been busted so many times. And, you know, school is antisocial. There's nothing social about school that you shut inside.

You know, locked inside now in many countries to keep out the Mr. Boogeyman and whoever else might, you know, come and invade the school grounds and not allowed to even talk to each other.

And you spend most of the recreation time avoiding the people you don't want to talk to. There's nothing social about it. It is the complete opposite to being social.

And, you know, the word, the actual definition of the word socialize, the verb to socialize. One of the definitions is to mold a person into conforming to society.

You know, all right, OK, there you go again. Bam, we're back to that. Oh, it's just like. So, so which, which form of socializing are the powers that be that run these institutions actually aiming at.

Well, it certainly isn't the one where kids get to talk to each other all day. So that only leaves the other option. It's worrying stuff. So, like, any, any sort of thoughts on this or any other questions on the schooling side.

No, I just realized that I found a link to the permaculture is keeping permaculture is keeping as much of the energy in your system as possible as I understood it from Tino.

And I think Bitcoin is the element that creates curiosity or it was the base for creating a curiosity that was able to build a trust between people that feeds against the curiosity that brings the hope for our next generation

for which we have to generate again that curiosity to bring new hope and trust for all the generations to come. So it circles around for me. So, so like I said, again, about permaculture is a way to keep one of the main goals of permaculture is to keep us much of the energy that is introduced in your system to keep it in your system.

So, for example, when you have rain falling on your land, you want to make sure that that rain is used to the maximum possibility potential.

So if your land would be on a slope, they would try to make like a form in the field that it undulates from one side to the other all to slow down the flow and to cover as much of as terrain as possible to keep that.

So, permeates through the earth, isn't it? Yeah. And so, also, if you have leftovers or to compost your leftovers from the food, for example, to your grass cuttings that you don't put it in a container and ship it off to whatever institution that is

or whatever installment that is making compost of that in big factories. Just leave it where it is. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. And the same as school. I think that's your point is, is like, you know, use the use the intellect in the Bitcoin space, use the trust, leverage all of these things to to help educate the children.

I see the loop. Yeah. I see the loop because what we have is the complete opposite in school. We do not have Perma education. We have fear education where you are basically just trying to rope memorize as many facts as you can for that test. And it's all gone. Puff. See you later. It's only that anymore.

Artificial fertilizer and the brain is just without nutrients going out of the school. It's just all fake and air. And whereas the real education is something that the child itself has to find.

What are the interests, what make what what makes them tick? For soul ex boy as well. I just give him all the opportunities that he can have. If he's interested, I'm just making sure that he has the best possibilities to explore that interest.

And if it pans out to be something like a fat, okay, then it was that at least he knows that now. If it's something that he really finds his passion in perfect, keep going. And that's, it's that curiosity that we have to kindle.

And then our children will find their own path. And that is the hope that Bitcoin brings. And that's why I think I see more and more Bitcoiners having children because they found the hope they see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Yeah, 100%. And, you know, what once you get financial independence as well, and you can start spending actual time with the kids and enjoying them rather than just them being a freaking extra body in the house, which is how most kids kind of get treated.

Children should be seen should be seen, but not heard sort of Fiat kind of meme, which is which is shocking. And yeah, we need to turn that on its head. And I'm very, very bullish for, for, you know, the family units going forward and for Bitcoiners because once you separate money from state,

you will separate education from state. There's no way in the world that won't happen. And vice versa. These, these two are so interlinked and so interwoven that, you know, there'll be bumps along the road.

Of course, you know, we have bumps along the Bitcoin road. You have bumps along the alternative education road because the social construct the pressures against you, the judgmental hell that you have to face is is really tough.

It's very, very tough. And, you know, we've all, we've all faced it from friends and family. When we talk about Bitcoin, you're the crazy guy, you're the idiot, you're the snake oil salesman, you're whatever.

Because nobody's willing to go down rabbit hole and educate themselves a little bit. And the same happens in the alternative alternative education space. All of a sudden, everybody has this right to call you a bad parent. And what are you doing? You're ruining your kids' lives. So it's, it's tough. It's a lonely path to tread.

But at the end of the day, once, once Bitcoin starts doing its thing and the younger guys, you know, in the next five years or so, the younger guys that have been hardling and stacking, they'll start getting married, they'll start having families.

And they'll be able to really enjoy their families. And I'm really bullish for the future and for the young guys coming through to start building their families and doing something that they love.

Me too. And that's what we sort of wrapped up last time on, you know, it's important that we're energy efficient with, you know, permaculture ideas of your land should be energy efficient. You take in a certain amount of energy and you use it as best you possibly can.

You use every single bit of it. You don't let any go to waste. So it's about having that energy and also nutritionally dense food, which is really important.

And now I think this ties in really nicely is that with children, you want to be able to spend the time with them. You want to be able to use their energy in the best way so it's not wasted.

And then also, you want to make sure that all of that knowledge is dense, that the child is not dense, but the actual knowledge is dense and the experience is dense and so that they actually come out a rounded, smart individual.

And so, yeah, I think everything that we've discussed today to me makes sense, although I don't have children yet. It makes me really bullish.

And if you guys don't have any other points you particularly wanted to cover, I would just say, first of all, to anyone who hasn't already listened to Daniel's pod or read his incredible book, go and do it now because it's fucking awesome.

And a lot of the stuff that we're discussing today will be very, we'll go into more depth. And I would also say, just thank you to both of you for joining and helping with this meshedadel idea.

It's hopefully it will grow. Hopefully people keep, you know, find value in it. But even if no one else does, I definitely have and I've learned a lot today. So thanks to both of you.

Thank you. It was also for me, very interesting to hear more about the Kaleleo project and especially the dojo's. I'm really hoping that they come also to hear, although I doubt it. I'm bullish on that.

Make sure you reach out to Vlad again, you'll be able to email, I'm sure, directly. If you can't let me know and I'll put you in touch and you can ask about that audition video and a way around that because, you know, he's very open to connecting, especially with Bitcoiners because he's won himself.

So, I will pass it to all experts, especially. Okay, no problem. And yeah, thanks to you both. You've both been on the show before and really appreciate everything that you're both doing in the space.

We're all in this together and trying to educate as many people as we can. Right now, we're just a bunch of Mary freaking misfits as Max likes to call us.

And it's going to be, you know, it'll all look very different in five years. So I'm just enjoying these kinds of conversations whilst they last because the next five years is going to be crazy.

They'll be a much bigger space and it'll be much more difficult to stay in touch with each other and create these cool little small knit groups, you know, niche conversations. So, yeah, thanks for having me on. It's been a pleasure.

And yeah, I'll get the Galileo detail so I can put those in the show notes. And if there's any other bits, Daniel, that you think would be useful if you don't mind sending them over so anyone listening can do this.

And yeah, if you're listening and you've got kids and this makes sense. Like, if someone's whispering in your ear or telling you that you're an idiot or a bad parent, just remember to tell them to fuck off and go and do your research and care about your children more than you care about what people think about you

because if they're talking like that, they don't really care. Yeah, look after the ones closest to you. Nice. Well said. Awesome. All right, guys. Thanks so much for this. And yeah, hopefully when all this COVID stuff is finished, we really should catch up for a beer and go and do something in the flesh. It'd be cool.

Yeah, sounds awesome. Thanks, guys. Thanks a lot. All right. Take care.