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Welcome back to another Day of Plebminer Month. Today's episode is with Zell Coe and S2L1, the co-founders of Ronan Dojo. We talked about mining, privacy, and open source. I'm sick as a dog today, so I'm just doing this last intro, and then I'm gonna slither into my bed and try and get some sleep.

I just want to say thank you to everyone who's been involved in Plebminer Month. Everyone who's been streaming Sats to us. Every single Sat helps get these amazing prizes out to people, and I want to say thank you to the Ronan Dojo team for providing an incredible prize.

We get into it in this episode, but a big thank you from me and everyone else at Plebminer Month. I also want to thank everyone who has been sponsoring this month, including peach, brains, kaboom racks, node runners, crypto cloaks, and many, many more.

I also want to thank these sponsors that allowed this show to continue. Foundation devices have been sponsoring this show for coming up to a year now. They have incredible hardware. I absolutely love the team, and I've just recorded with Bitcoin Q&A, and Lily, that show will probably be coming out.

Either at the end of the month or just after, 'cause we just have so much content that's come in that's been absolutely crazy. But yeah, these guys are incredible. Fully open source hardware.

So simple to use, an amazing team, and a beautiful design. If you haven't already seen them, go to foundation devices.com. If you decide you want to buy one of these incredible devices, you can use the code bit by bit to get $10 off.

Or if you want to try your luck, you can wait and see if you win one of them. Thanks again to Foundation, and check them out at foundation devices.com. And finally, before we dive into the show, there was a lot of talk in this episode about KYC versus non-KYC.

And I want to give a massive shout out to FastBitcoins. They are a KYC service that allow me to talk completely openly and honestly. They allow me to tell people that the best thing to do is to buy no KYC, and they allow me to talk about the trade-offs.

The fact that they do this shows me they actually care about Bitcoin. And if you are gonna use a KYC service, if you've listened to me talk about the trade-offs, if you don't care and you want to buy this just to sell it back for fear at some point, you want to make some money on it,

absolutely fine as long as you understand those trade-offs. And if you are gonna do it, I can only suggest these guys. I know the team very well, and they do everything that they can to keep you safe within the rules and regulations that they have to abide by.

I really can't recommend them highly enough. And if you haven't checked them out already, go to fastBitcoins.com. Thanks for listening, and I hope you enjoy the show.

- Can you hear me? We're all in. This is phenomenal. Is there any echo or anything from this laptop speaker? - It sounds all right, actually. It sounds okay. - Let me try getting some headphones, so on so.

- Okay. Hi, Tech, as usual. - My bad, sorry. Can I know how that was my sound? Do I sound all right? - No, yours is horrible, actually, mate. - Rock. - I've heard worse, but there's quite a lot of, you've got headphones.

- Let me see if I have an extra set. - Okay, all right. - Okay, how do I sound now? - You sound beautiful. - Great. - That is a proper sound quality. I think Zellko's trying to find something else 'cause his was really bad.

- Okay. - Why don't we Wally's doing that anyway? 'Cause you've never been on the show before. I don't know how you've snuck past me on that one, but it'd be good to have a bit of a background on, obviously, how you and Zellko met and how Ronan Dojo started, because have you guys ever been on a pod before,

or is this first time to deter you? - This is first time being on here with Zellko. I don't know, has he been on before? - Zellko's been on a couple of times before, yeah. - Okay, yes. - I'm trying to find headphones, but so it's really that bad.

- Yeah, it's horrible. - Fuck. - Yeah. (laughs) - He can do that, but yeah, so let's talk a little bit about how Ronan Dojo started and how you guys met and how the project came to be. - Yeah, so Zellko and I basically met while trying to get Dojo running on a Raspberry Pi, and there were a few people in the samurai community

at the time doing it, so we decided to write guides, and eventually ended up joining forces, kind of combining our GitHub guides together into one big master document, if you will, that was like the official time, at the time it was the official guide to get Dojo running on Raspberry Pi.

And then we thought, oh, let's automate this, and kind of script these steps so that people don't have to do all this copy pasting and all this Linux command line work to set up the Dojo.

So that was kind of how the Ronan Dojo idea formed just by wanting to automate Dojo deployment on Raspberry Pi's and make it easier. And so from there we forked Dojo and set off on that task together, and slowly found more team members and scaled up over time, the software got better,

and started trying to kind of monetize this thing and build hardware products and services around it, just so we can keep a roof over our head and make a little money while we're at it. - So when you first started, I know Zellko wasn't a dev or had done any coding stuff before, and I remember first hearing a pod that he'd done,

it was a few years ago, and being really inspired by that, I was like, how the fuck is this guy, like building this thing, which is awesome, like it's my favorite node back here. Which, how the fuck has this happened?

Was it the same with you, or were you already working as a dev? - Yeah, neither of us worked in the industry at all. We both had just normal jobs, and this was our hobby side project. So Ronan Dojo kind of became how we learned to get comfortable in the Linux development environment.

It was part of our learning process was, because we wanted this, we had to learn all these skills. So we started off as Linux noobs, as code noobs, and over time of just really, really wanting to learn how to run Dojo on a Raspberry Pi, we gathered the skills needed, getting comfortable with Linux,

and bash the scripting language that we used to, for Ronan Dojo, over time we just learned that stuff. At a very basic newbie level, the project has come a long way since then. But early on, Ronan Dojo was just kind of our crash course into Linux, Bitcoin privacy, security, all that good stuff.

Did you say 2018 was when it started the project? - Yeah, it was probably late 2017, early 2018, yeah. - So, yeah, I mean, from my perspective, having run it since maybe it was like 2018, maybe end of 2018, up again in 2019, I feel like it was, to where it is now, it's been fucking crazy to watch how this thing

has grown and developed, and the community around it, and the people who are now working with you, and yeah, just the usability, I suppose, of Ronan Dojo is mind-blowing now. What had been like that kind of journey?

Like seeing this thing, it's your baby, really, isn't it? Like seeing it from something that you two are learning on and working on to what it's become now? - Yeah, it's really been an incredible journey.

It makes you have a lot of respect for the free and open source movement in general, because we didn't necessarily intend for any of this to happen. People really just came out of nowhere who shared the same passion that we do, and started gaining new team members, and now we have Pavo, who does the Ronan user interface.

- It's fucking nailed it. - Yeah, we have Dan Kool, who also works on the project. He's very talented. We have Dan, who designed our hardware, and we're having the Tonto cases manufactured in Taiwan.

He's a very talented engineer. And really, just all these people coming from out of nowhere, sharing this passion for Bitcoin privacy has been a powerful thing to be a part of, and it really makes you believe in free and open source software once you kind of go through this process.

And you see that whenever a big community of people get together and build and write code, and it's a powerful thing, it's very hard to stop. - Yeah, well, quite the team. And you said, obviously you've had Pavo come on and do the UI.

I mean, that's one of the things that I've noticed is really, really clean, really beautiful. Did you just lose me for a second? - Yeah, you cut out, cut back in. But yeah, no, the UI's been essential for, as we move away from the command line and we try to make this thing more plug and play,

the Ronin UI, having that sexy, clean graphical user interface has been essential to that process. But you know, the people who aren't as into the Linux stuff, the moment they see command line, they get scared off.

So that's been a big part. - Yeah, it's just so much more usable, and it will draw so many people in, that it's just like a more comfortable experience. It's really, really clean, really nice.

And I feel a lot more comfortable now, like suggesting it to people who maybe aren't so willing to get their hands dirty, who are a little bit, like you said, less comfortable sitting down and trying to hack away and get things working.

It's, Joselka's putting his hand up. Are you in, mate? - Welcome, Joselka. - I can hear you, but-- - You're very quiet. - Yeah, it sounds like you're in another room. (laughing) This is good, 'cause this is the, it's normally me with the technical issues, so this makes me feel good.

Got two wizards who built Ronin Dojo, and they can't do the audio, so now I feel good about myself for a day. (laughing) It's really far away, like I can barely hear you. We could go back to the other shitty audio, at least we can hear you, just a bit muffled.

(laughing) - Yeah. Yeah, no, see, I use cubes OS, so my super secure computer can't even do any of this crap. - Yeah, I've heard a bit about cubes. I've never used it. It's like it partitions and separates things off.

Is that right? - Yeah, it's basically a bunch of virtual machines managed by a hypervisor, so everything's compartmentalized, and it's a very secure operating system. But also, at the same time, it makes it difficult to use, like do microphones and video, audio.

- Right, okay, but you run that. - Cubes was awful. That was a worse experience. (laughing) Is this a little better? - It's much better, it's much better. - There we go, okay, there we go.

- That's much better. - Okay, so let's kick back off, where were we at? - I know, I missed some stuff. - We were just countering the fact that cubes is good, so S201, you were saying cubes is great, and Zelda is saying it's shit.

- Cubes is great for nerds, like S2, but it's okay. It just like, it takes way, it took way more time for me to like dedicate to learning, something that is like that separated and secured, and it was not something I could easily do with the time that I had, so if I had more time, I'd probably dive into it,

but not not something I needed in the moment. - And I got to hear all these talking points, and I didn't get to like chime in, 'cause there's a lot of things that, he made that experience seem really easy, or like, didn't seem very eventful, like our like journey over the past, almost what, four years.

Yeah, it was wild. I was like looking back, I think this, what, April? - That's two, like when, you know, after Miami, it like really, like, I think we sat down together when we were at the house, and it was like, we just kind of looked at it like, yeah, this is real life.

Like, we are actually doing something that if you would have told us in 2018, that we were gonna be able to sell this amazing product that does everything that it needs to do, that has a great community behind it, and was a product, like the definition of FOSS is what Ron and Dojo is.

You know, working for free for two years, three years to like get to where we were, and working also unquiet, like not just helping out the community, but also like learning code, and like, just like that real moment when, you know, we were like, wow, like, we're actually doing this, you know, and it was surreal.

And I think I met Laurent and Miami, and I remember him telling us like how proud he was of us, and that was like, that's awesome. - For some context, for anyone listening, Laurent was the creator of Dojo on the Samurai project.

He also created OXT.me blockchain explorer, but yeah, no, that was really cool, and Miami is kind of like a passing of the torch, wasn't it? - Yeah. - Because now, Pavol is the lead of the Dojo project itself, and he's also on the Ronan team, so our vision has kind of become aligned with the Dojo project,

and we've become close with the Samurai guys, and that's been really cool. - Yeah, it was cool. He was like, I used to call him like, the Grand Wizard or, you know, and whatever, 'cause he was my like, go to, kind of like how brother Rabbit and Q&A are for you, Max.

It's like, he was that for me. Like, if I ever had a problem, I was just like, always in his messages, and I always felt terrible, and like he never once hesitated, like never once like made me feel stupid.

It was really cool for him to like kind of pass that torch, so it was a really cool experience, and you know, I'm really, really proud of like, what we've done, what we've been able to accomplish, and like the people that have come, and worked on the project for free, and helped us to get to where we are.

It's like, it's surreal. So it was a really fun journey, for sure. - That's really cool. And obviously now, like you sort of alluded to it, but you're selling some fucking beautiful hardware.

The product is very, very polished, and beautifully finished, but before we sort of jump into that, and where you are now, can we dig a little bit more into like the shitty times, the times where you're learning to code, you're building this thing, you're working all hours of the day, you're putting this thing together.

You know, it's not an easy thing, especially with open source, and doing all of this for free. What was that experience like, and were there ever times where you just thought, fuck this, I can't do this anymore, it's too much?

What was it like in the dark times? - Yeah, I mean, first of all, it goes without saying how hard it is to not get a paycheck for a couple of years, whenever you're putting all your time into a passion project like this.

- Can confirm. - And then the other side is, you know, we had invested a lot of money personally for all this hardware to kind of get this company started up. So as you put more and more money in, it definitely gets really concerning there.

But really the hardest part was just working really long hours all the time, and trying to find that work-life balance, 'cause you really get obsessed with it, it becomes your baby. And you kind of start to question yourself of, you know, can I even do this?

You have imposter syndrome. You're like, you know, I'm not a software professional. Can I even get a company together like this? But I've always thought higher people that are better than you.

Go out and find people who are more talented than you and who share your vision. And that's a big part of making a successful company. And as we found those heavy hitters who joined the project, it was a huge weight off of our shoulders of the, you know, huge mountain of a task that we were looking at.

So that's just one big thing that's, you know, times get really tough and there's so much weight on your shoulders, there's so much to do, and just hiring some heavy hitters. It's really a saving grace from those really hard times.

But Zalco, you want to add any to that? - Yeah, no, for sure. I would say, 'cause I mean, both of us were working like full-time and built recently, like full-time job and then doing this as well.

And yeah, like in the beginning, it wasn't tough. Like, I mean, it was tough 'cause like we were learning how to cope, but it was so fun. It was so like exciting. Even though like my face hurt from smashing on the keyboard enough times, but like it was so fun.

You know, like I had a good time. It was, I think it was like as we started to really gain traction. And I think that was kind of when like, you know, like Umbrell was starting to come up and my node was getting big and like, it had all these projects and like my competitive drive just like kicked up.

And I was like trying to double down, going extra hard, trying to do a lot of extra stuff and spreading myself more thin. And like it was definitely tough, like with the family. You know, we definitely had conversations of like, I don't know if I can do this.

Like I don't know if I can handle doing both jobs and you know, my wife's like, "Well, are you getting paid?" And I'm like, "Well, no, not really." Like sometimes I need to tell them. Like eventually, it was like eventually we'll get paid.

Like maybe we'll get a, you know, like someone will give us a grant or something, but like it was, it wasn't really a thought, you know, and I was just so passionate about it. I was like, I can't quit now.

Like what, like what the last two years is going to be a waste? Absolutely not. So there was never really quit in my mind. It was just like, I didn't know if I was able to contribute the best that I could.

And so there was definitely times where like you have to step back and reevaluate and learn to balance. As TU said, work, life balance. And that was probably the biggest learning lesson over the last three or four years was like learning how to balance passion and life and family.

So I'm definitely in a much happier, easier place now. It also helps when you have those heavy hitters and people that have come and come to stay. So it makes work a lot more fun. And I don't even say work is in like, working on running dojo isn't work.

It's literally, it's a good time. And it's just fun. It's passionate. We're always trying to make it better, looking at the future and making roadmaps. Like when we do our team chats, it's nothing but a good time.

So I am, I'm really glad that like we kind of like went through the tough times. 'Cause now it's nothing but just the usual grind and getting to help people and help the community. And then meeting people in person is awesome.

Like the, I say the hardest work that we have is probably doing the booths at these events. I don't know as to definitely kind of test that, but it's also one of the most rewarding things is meeting all these people at events.

I wish we could go to more of the EU ones, but like just meeting other likes, whether it's like we're in a dojo users or just like Bitcoin is in general, but like when we meet like users or we, someone's a tanto and we know they're now part of the family, it's like it is an awesome, awesome experience.

- It's something that really charges you up as well. Those events are really needed. You know, you question what you're doing, you question working the long hours, things like that, is it really worth it?

Once you get out there and you really meet the users and you see everyone shares this vision of being able to use Bitcoin privately. And we all share that vision of a digital form of cash and everybody's working to achieve it.

People are learning, people are, they're getting their first tanto or even the experienced users we talk to. It's really validating and charges us up to go back and get back to work. - Yeah, well, I know from everyone that I speak to, they have just utmost respect for what you guys have done.

I don't think anyone can fault it. I think I remember having a conversation with you Zilco a while ago when you were saying, you know, these other node packages were coming up and people are saying, oh, well, you've got to protect the code and you can't be fully open source and blah, blah, blah.

And remember you saying, like fuck that, we will be open source and no one will beat me. Like no one is going to come up and beat me. I don't care, I'm going to work harder. I'm going to work smarter.

And it seems like you were right, like, you know, even from whenever it was a year ago to now, so much has changed, so much has happened. - Yeah, Zilco, you know, he said it right. We're going to hold on that boss ethos until the end.

Even if it means we don't make as much money as kind of closing our license and selling our software, it's worth it. Just the community we've attracted and especially being able to kind of latch onto the samurai community, you know, it's worth it to maybe sacrifice a little bit of profit and give away our software for free

and, you know, really become that free and open source Bitcoin node project that people want to see that's privacy focused. And another thing is just we want to keep our focus there. We don't want to get distracted with all these apps and all this other self-hosting stuff.

It's great that people are doing that, but we just want something simple that works that's freely available to everyone. And, you know, just pick one thing and do it well. - So I'm already kind of fired up, like listening.

I meant to jump in right after, but yeah, like all the other node packages, S2 is a little nicer than me. But like, I don't care about what you want to add. I don't care what you want to do.

Like, I still kind of laugh at like what the lofty vision is of some of these other node projects, you know, like, but if they don't feel confident enough in their stuff and they're going to like make something close source or whatever, it's like, who are you to do that?

You wrote the code that you wrote wasn't some unique code. I don't care what anybody says. Like you definitely took inspiration from someone somewhere. So congratulations. Now you're closing it off 'cause now you feel like you're better than them.

That's fine. - Now, if you believe that IP law is your status, sorry. That's just the way it is, you know? - Yeah, great. I mean, I don't know what this thing is about. - Yeah, even apart from that, it's like, it's, I don't really care about like, you know, what people believe in like, you know, your intellectual properties.

But like, just like you're in this space where we all get better. I had this conversation with a guy that worked on, it was like my brother's friend at a bachelor party and it was, he worked at Google at Google Docs.

And I was like, oh, you mean Microsoft Word that is trying to be, you know, Microsoft Word? He's like, no, no, we're different. I'm like, no, you're not. You literally are trying to be something that's existed for years.

It's like, well, it's not the same. And I was like, you guys, if you guys were both open source, you know how much better of a product that the users would have because both shared your code and work together.

And they were like, whoa, how would we make money? It's the whole mindset. It's all of that. It's just, it's gross and it's sad because even from that perspective, Google and Microsoft are gonna have two different visions.

They could benefit from code from each other, but they're gonna have two different visions, they're gonna have two different products. And that's a reality. So screw them. Like if people wanna try to take Roan Dojo and fork it and do whatever, that's fine.

It's never gonna be what we do. Like our vision is our vision. And there's a reason that people wanna use our stuff and we're proud to keep it like that. And we're always gonna continue to serve, you know, our users the way that we know is best and that, you know, that we hear from the community.

And then sometimes we make cuts out of our software too because other companies don't align with our values. And if like you're, you know, some software that is implementing something that we don't agree with that is contrary to, you know, I think there was one that was pro KYC stuff.

I'm like, we're not, I'm not gonna work with that. What do you mean? Like you're not, we're not gonna actively support KYC services. - Yeah, you can, you can forget that one. So we removed, I think it was Spectre had like a, - They had like a swan plug-in there.

- Yeah, I remember that. - It was a swan plug-in. And, you know, the funny thing is like right when that was happening, Sparrow was starting to get big. And Sparrow is like a thousand times better than Spectre, like on every aspect.

So like, it was an easy decision. You know, like it was easy because they had competition that was just so much better. So, you know, we're gonna continue to take care of our users. And we're gonna stand by what we, our values are that we've, we know that people know and we've laid out to people.

And it's funny too, because like we're, at all these events, like we get like swan guys that come up and they're like, oh dude, we love you guys. We love what you're doing. And like it's always very like, almost uncomfortable for me because I'm like, thanks.

Like I don't know what else is made. - I'm on the internet. - Yeah, no, it does show you a lot about the industry, right? Because even the guys who do work at these KYC services will come up and tell us they run Tonto's and they, you know, they're just working at that KYC service 'cause that's how they make their money.

But even the guys who are within the belly of the beast, let's say, even guys who work at Coinbase that I know, you know, use Samurai Wallet. I mean, hell, even Jack Mueller said on stage during his presentation that block boom that he was a Samurai user and to not use strike if you want privacy.

So it's pretty interesting how there's a clear divergence in the industry, but even in the belly of the beast, we have some allies. - Oh, even people who run exchanges that I've spoken to behind the scenes are very, very into their privacy and for themselves, they make sure that they use Samurai.

They make sure that they do things properly. I guess like what I'd like to see is for these KYC services or anyone who's shilling them is to just at least be honest about the trade-offs. Like people are gonna use them and it's everyone's individual choice and the same with whether something's open source or not.

Like if you're gonna not be open source, just fucking say it how it is, just be like, I'm scared. You know, I'm scared, I'm worried, but I don't like competition, I'm a bitch. Just say it and then I'd have respect for you.

And it's to say that, you know, people who run KYC services, if they say, look, I wanna make money, some people wanna use this and they don't care about their privacy and they just wanna hold it as an asset and they wanna sell it for some profits and turn it back to slave notes, absolutely fine, not a problem, but just be honest.

- Right, it's definitely the biggest piece. I mean, like think about, I mean, I think the biggest piece, the biggest aspect is like, I don't wanna say influencers, right? But like influencers, right?

Like, it sucks when you have people and this, this isn't applied to you 'cause I think you're always straightforward, but there's a lot of people who get sponsorships, they get, you know, whatever.

And I get it, like you're trying to, especially if you're like a podcaster, right? And you get a sponsorship and say it's swan, right? And it's like, how can you sit there? And honestly, like with like full, you know, integrity and just be like, yeah, you guys should totally do, have like privacy is super important.

And like, by the way, my sponsor is swan, Bitcoin, buy your KYC Bitcoin, and it's like, dude, just- - Downlight today, it makes it a bit disingenuous and I don't know. - Why should anyone believe you?

Why should any listener believe anything that you're saying? Like just don't talk, like if you're gonna be sponsored by KYC, don't talk about privacy because there's no way to erase that, like there's none.

Or you have to be open and honest, like I'm really lucky in the fact that fast Bitcoins with me, like I said to them, I'm gonna shit on KYC non-stop even in the adverts and say to people, don't buy from KYC, but if you're not going to listen to me and you're going to risk yourself getting attacked,

leaks, everything else, if you're not gonna listen, you're gonna do it, then at least use these guys. And they're like, yeah, that's fine. That's fine to say whatever the fuck you want, shit all over us because we like your show.

But that is a one off, like no other exchange lets people do stuff like that. And if you can't be honest in the ad read, it's a very different story because it's like, people might not listen to the bit where you're shitting on no KYC and then they listen to the ad and they're like, oh yeah, okay, great.

Well, this is Bitcoin, so now I'm anonymous and shadowy and this is awesome and it's like, no, you're cucked. I think it has to even be in the adverts, it has to be honest, but it is, it's hard.

'Cause there's very few companies that will sponsor if you're honest about things. So it makes it very difficult. - Yeah, and like the companies that have the money to sponsor, right, are the ones that are KYC.

- They're the worst, yeah, there's the worst ones. - I can't tell you how, it gives you a special feeling when we were in Miami, we had a booth across from Celsius Network, right? Which, thank God, we'll never hear from them again, but it's kind of humiliating whenever you're across the wave

and your modest little booth that we work so hard and it's scratched everything together for to attend. And then across from you, Celsius has $150,000 booth, they got 20 people working in the booth, they have, you know, pallets of T-shirts arriving on forklifts, you know, imagine what we could do with a marketing budget like that.

It really just pisses you off to be quite honest and, you know, how do they get that kind of marketing budget? Well, it never pumps as hard as a scam, you know? Our own individual will never be as profitable as a scam and, you know, unless we were shitcoining, we could never, or we were, you know, getting in ties with KYC exchanges

and taking VC money, we could never afford to market like that. It's tough, it makes you, you know, kind of question what you're doing and your methods, but in the end, the feedback from our customers and from people who believe in what we're doing, you know, makes it all worth it.

You guys have had it hard, but you've made a better product and you have the respect of everybody and you're now starting to find ways to monetize this as well and rather than taking the easy route and bending the knee and taking some money and fucking people over, you've done things properly and so at least when it's all done,

eventually you'll start to make some money from it and you can look at yourself in the mirror and be like, I've done the right thing. I'm not a shill, I'm not a sellout and I think that's more valuable.

Right, for sure, and in fairness, we still have the best booths that I've seen. S2 is our booth manager. By far, best booth game that I've seen in Bitcoin. I put on a damn good booth. Stop by the booths, guys.

- We were doing live coin joins. We were doing live stowaways. - I think we were the only node company running nodes live on the floor. - Really? - Oh yeah, live, live, right there, it was great.

- Yeah, I take on too much. There's nothing like finding out if a node works. - We were like, please don't have an error. Please don't have an error. - Conference morning, looking it up to the conference wifi.

- Please, please. - We're asking for it, it works so far. - Yeah, it's legit. And I love that we haven't had to sell out anything. Like, in fact, it always makes sense. I think it's 'cause we've been so like closely tied to like how the samurai, how the samurai guys are and their attitude is evident by Twitter and whatnot,

but like their like fucking mindset is like, it's easy to feed off of, you know, and it's easy to like keep that mindset. Even if like, you know, me and S2 are very different on a lot of things.

Like I'm definitely far more aggressive and abrasive, you know, but like, and he's the nice one. So if anyone wants a nice guy, you can go to him. But I love that their mindset is that like, we're not changing, like we are who we are.

And that's what it is. You know, we're not gonna bend the knee. We're not gonna comply. You know, this is fuck you money and we're gonna make good fuck you money for the world. So like having that and not having to sell out makes it like, it just makes it so much easier to wake up and do it every day.

- Like T-Dev says, asking permission is seeking denial. - It's a really good sign. It's definitely, it's probably one of my favorites too. You know, most people say like, "Code don't ask for permission, ask for forgiveness."

They don't even need to ask for forgiveness, just do it. I was actually an advice I gave to someone at a block boom, but I won't go down to that one. But like, it's amazing. It's a, you know, to not have to comply.

I do wish that more people could take that stand, but I get it, it's a tough world. And that's why I agree with you Max. Like, we just need people to be honest. Like, if you're gonna be closed source, like I'm gonna call now, if you're gonna be cold card, right?

If you're gonna be NVK and you're gonna have a closed source product, just say that you are not a fully free and open source project, or be honest and tell us that you used to have light coin.

Oh no, a shit coin. Like, you had, you supported other coins before. Why is that a big deal? Like, I don't see here anybody doing that against treasure. Like, why can't you just be like straightforward and honest and just say that you're not false?

Don't put on your thing that you're open source. It's the disingenuous, like behavior. - Or source available would be the term they like to use. - No, that's always the secondary. It's not even the first, that's what makes me upset.

It's like, they don't start with source available. 'Cause if they said source available, people would be like, well, is that open source? But if you said, oh, we're open source and then someone calls you out, their responses, well, we're source available.

It's the same thing. You know, like, it's not. So, like that, that upsets me. That's just, it's just disingenuous advertising. And it's because they wanna capitalize on people thinking that it's open source.

So, it's kind of like the same. It's the same behavior that, you know, it could be swan. It could be any number of podcasters that support KYC stuff. And it's like, well, it's a means to an end and you can still transact privately.

It's like, no, no, no, no. I mean, can you have forward privacy after KYC? Yes, using Samurai and using one rule and all that stuff. Absolutely. But you're not, you're always gonna be on that list.

It's like, if I buy, like, I'm in the US. So, if I buy a firearm from a registered firearm dealer and they run my name, they put down the serial number and all that stuff, I'm on a list. What happens after that is forward, right?

But like, I'm still on a list for having that gun, right? So, it's the same thing. You're always on a list for having that KYC Bitcoin. So, you need to figure out a way to not be on that list.

The information's always gonna be out there. You know, that is a massive part of why we've been doing this Pled Mining Month is, I've got a bit pissed off with this DCA, the way that everyone's like, oh, just DCA every day and every second and woo.

And it's like the average person that I speak to in Bitcoin, they do that, but then they talk about, fuck the state, they talk about all this stuff. And it's like, look, they're two separate things.

I'm fine even if it's one individual. And you say, I have my KYC stack and that's my cup stack. And that one day I'm gonna go and sell that and sell it for fiat and go and buy a Lambo and some strippers and whatever else I wanna do with it.

And then I have my no KYC stack. I'm even fine with it. If people are just honest about it, it's like, that's fine. But the pushback that I like is now this Pled Mining Movement. You know, we've had this whole month saying, look, if you want some KYC free stats and you want to DCA, get a fucking miner.

And then learn how to do UTX Home Management, learn how to use coin join, learn how to use all of these different tools that are out there and do things properly. If you're saying that you're worried about the state, if you're saying that you're worried about how things are gonna go and my view is it's gonna get really fucking ugly,

then like you said, you don't want to be on that list. Well, you certainly don't at least wanna be on that list for all of your stats because when they come knocking, you know, it's fine being like the hard man and saying, oh yeah, come and take it.

I've got the guns or it's like, no. You won't be so tough when they knock your door in. You really won't. And so I'm just trying now with John and everyone else involved. It's like trying to normalize this of saying, it's not that hard to mine and people can do it and try and get that to be the way that people come in.

And then your name's never on a fucking list. You don't start that way. Yep. - I don't think anyone starts that way either unfortunately or most people start with a Bitcoin exchange, right?

Most people do that KYC event before they even realize what this whole thing is about. We've got 10 people this month who are not. So they've been given S9s. We've done giveaways with S9s.

- Very nice. - A fair few of them have never bought Bitcoin and they're now set up and mining and earning some SATs and they're on no fucking list. And they're now saying, oh, well, how do I do things going forward?

And what do I do? And I'm like, yes, this is the way, this is the way people should come in. - That's amazing. That's a whole new level of Bitcoin or that I love to see, you know, it gives me a lot of hope.

- Yeah. I mean, it's honestly like, you know, the DCA and this is what people kind of fail to understand and I really applaud like diverter and econal alchemist. I think it was like last year or the year before they really started pushing big on like home mining and why it's worth it to take a, even if it's take a small loss, it's okay.

Like you're paying an exchange fee anyways, right? You're paying above market value anyways. So why not just use that money, right? That you would be paying, sure, even if you pay a little bit more, say you buy on best, say you don't mine, you might pay a little bit more, but like you're at least getting no KYC Bitcoin

or KYC light or whatever you want to call it. You know, like you're still getting, you're not going on a list, you know, like and for mining, it's like I'm paying, but I'm paying with my electric bill.

So that's better. Like I'm like, I don't have, I'm not on a KYC exchange for buying Bitcoin from someone. It's like, oh, this guy had a high electric bill. Oh man, come get me. Like I don't have to worry about that.

You know, like it's significantly better. And like the plea of mining, the idea of like, even if you run one or two or whatever, like you're not, you don't have to go into mining for this like huge profitability thing.

You can go in it with the sole intent of like not buying no KYC Bitcoin and you're free with. And I'm looking forward to the future. I know I was talking to a lot of the mining guys, like the easier and easier that we can make that setup.

Like man, it would be great to have like, kind of like we have Tonto's where it's plug and play. You can do a plug and play with like a node box and all that stuff. And I know they're coming out with it.

It's like that, that's the next step. That's like where I can just spend a little bit more money and I would gladly play a little bit more money where all I gotta do is plug it into the wall and it goes and it's gonna be quiet and cool and all that other stuff.

Man, like that to me is way easier better than if we're like just trying to show KYC because I like shifted my whole perspective on how I even talk about Bitcoin to people. Like I, when I first started, it was like, oh, it's gonna be worth all this stuff.

And it's like, no, I don't even care about that. Like do you care about censorship? Do you care about, you know, people potentially shutting down your bank account for a different view? Okay, well then this is for you.

Like, and if it's not, then okay, if you're not worried about it, then this isn't for you. And I'm not gonna waste my breath, you know? But that shift is big and I'm really, it's really exciting to see what the miners are doing.

I like that a bunch of them have been really interested in integrating Paynims for their payout stuff, which is awesome. Yeah, we had Medi on the show the other day explaining why they did it.

So they're the first pool to do it and pretty fucking cool. Yeah, I mean, it makes common sense like that. And I'm glad that Sparrow has it too because it's like, there's no longer the like, oh, well, I don't have an Android, I don't wanna pay for it.

Like there's no longer that excuse, you know? So it's fantastic. And like, it just makes sense 'cause you don't have to pay to an address. You don't have to worry about address risks like that.

That should be the standard for everyone just moving forward. Is Blue Wallet still looking at 47 Paynims? Looking from a distance. Oh, looking from a distance. Why are you gonna make jokes?

I wondered, you know, I knew there was a Balmy, but I didn't know what the status was, though. Right now, it's just literally Linko in Pool is the only pool, Samurai and Sparrow. And that's it.

Another good point there is, I believe Luke Dash Jr. who is the gatekeeper of the Vip repo, if you will. Didn't he say that Vip 47 notification transactions were spam and that it wasn't a good standard?

And now here you have all these wallets implementing it and looking at it and even mining pools adding it. That's a really great thing to see and something I wanna touch on real quick because it shows you that you don't have to go through, you don't have to go through this centralized process

and get approval, you can just implement code if it's good and other people will implement it and iterate off of it. And I love to see that because someone shouldn't be able to hold up good code like that.

Yeah, I'm like, just to touch back on like the mining code and stuff, it's funny because I came up during the time when mining was like, oh, it's not profitable, like don't do it, right? Like it's bad, like don't waste your money, you're better off just buying the Bitcoin now and you'll have more and whatever, right?

And I still have that argument with people sometimes but like really, really, truly comes down to like the education piece of like how important it is to do that. Like I did a talk at Bitbox Boom about like the harm of KYC and like I asked people like, how many of you have heard of like the boating accident?

And that's gonna be the excuse that people use for, you know, when people come to get their Bitcoin and they're like, yeah, like everyone raise their hand. I'm like, you know that's a meme, like that's a joke.

Like no one in the state shares hell is not gonna care about your boating accident, they're gonna want their money. So figure it out, right? Like that's, it's that or jail or you're dead or the tip.

- No, it holds you in contempt until you give it up. - So like this whole, like that whole thing is obnoxious and silly. People have a false sense of reality, you know? Like you said, everyone wants to be a big man until it's time to be a big man, right?

- Yeah. - So like that's definitely a really strong point. Like how we educate people, how we on board and I've said that, I remember saying that to Lavera like on my first podcast, like how we on board is the most important part.

How you have an initial conversation about Bitcoin with someone is the single most important conversation you're gonna have with them. That's gonna shape how they interact, what they think, how they're, you know, what they view Bitcoin as.

If you're telling them it's an investment, it's gonna go to the moon, right? Like they're only gonna see it as that. And guess what? When they go to sell and they go to, you know, they get scared and they sell their money and then they loss all that money, they're gonna come to you and they're gonna blame you.

But if you tell them about censorship resistance, you know, anti-state, you know, freedom to transact with anybody's, you know, all the funds of all the decentralization, like, that's where you make your money.

And it's, is it harder to get people to understand that? Absolutely. But if you start from the right foundation, then they're not gonna crumble when it comes to it. - Yeah, I've sent too many people to exchanges in the past and they didn't go anywhere.

Still, I regretted doing it 'cause they're still stuck at zero, you know? Well, go ahead, Max, I didn't mean to cut you off. - No, no, it's cool. I was just gonna say it's easier for some people to talk about, oh, this is gonna go to insert, figure, whatever.

Actually, I found it's not. And it was actually since speaking to Yuzelko when you were saying about like, how do you approach this and you approach it? As this is fucking money, this is cash.

And I've adjusted who I speak to and how I speak to them. Initially, the only people that I was managing to Orange Pill were relatively financially savvy individuals who were willing to take an asymmetric bet.

And it was okay, but they didn't give a fuck about any of the things that to me really matter about Bitcoin. And I was thinking, well, do I really want them owning it? Because as soon as there's any trouble, they'll bend the knee.

They're not really people who are gonna push back against the system. And so what I've started doing now is actually speaking to middle to lower income people, people who are struggling, people who don't trust their governments, people who have been fucked and can understand how bad things can get.

And I just say, it's cash. And if you do it properly, no one can fucking take it from you. And do you know what? I get a lot more interest when I do that, but it's specific people, people who actually need something, people who actually have been fucked over before by the government and they get it.

They're just like, yep, I can see cash is being eradicated. I can see that I'm getting squeezed more and more and everything's getting more expensive. I can see that they're coming for me all the time.

That makes sense. So what I really like about, especially with Pled Mine a month is, a lot of people who wanna do these setups, you have to be relatively handy. You have to be willing to get your hands dirty.

It's useful to have actual trade skills. So people are saying, oh, well, okay, I can set one of these machines up. It might be slightly more expensive, but I can offset some of those costs by using the heat, especially with some of the immersion setups and different things like that.

So it's like, well, actually you can set one of these up and it's quiet, it provides heat. You pay for your Bitcoin through your electricity bill. You can trade with your Bitcoin, no one knows you have it.

No one can take it from you if you would do things right. That's pretty fucking cool. And once they get that, they're like, okay, yeah, I get it. This is something really special rather than going to people and just saying, I'm gonna make a load of money and fuck them.

They've already got it. - Right, yeah, that's really cool. That's a great system to onboard people in the right way. And especially target people who understand the value of the properties of cash.

Because cash is great in some ways. I'm not talking about the aspect of it being issued by government, but cash, the properties of it are really powerful and being able to take that to a digital form.

I think that digital cash narrative instantly identifies with a lot of people who are, they're already seeking that. They just don't know where to find it. - Yeah, yeah, definitely. And the other big one that I'm pushing a lot on PEP minor month is businesses, small businesses that have been fucked through all the lockdowns

and all the bullshit and all the energy prices going up and everything else, these small businesses that are on their knees to say, hey, guess what? You know, you can write off your energy costs.

So it's free power. So why don't you plug a couple of these machines in, get some lovely, lovely Bitcoin and write off the cost. And guess what, it's free. And those people, there's millions of them, millions and millions of them.

And they're just about to get fucked harder again. So once they realize I can plug one of these machines in, they can provide me some heat. No one needs to know I have it. And I can get some extra sats.

It's a no brainer. - Yeah, that's really cool. - Yeah, and you mentioned like the middle to lower income people. And you know, it's funny 'cause it's one of those reasons why, you know, like the arguments and debates that I've had to be in on Twitter and stuff like that where people are like, go, like go.

Everyone should run a node and everyone has to do stuff. And trust me, as a node company, like we would love if everyone ran a node. The reality is that not everyone can afford that right now, right?

Like not everyone can afford or like if they had to go between making a decision between like picking a miner or running a node, like I personally would rather them start with a miner and then get there and do that, right?

So then it's like, oh well, you know, you have to trust Sam Ryan, whatever it's like, yeah, but the reality is that like people trust whatever software that they're using, like that team more than they do their government, right?

- Oh yeah. - So like that whole narrative, right? It's like that's why like there's a large portion of Sam Ryan users and Ronan users and that, but a large portion of Sam Ryan users who are from South America or Central America, right?

That can't afford to run a node, but they want the privacy. They know they understand the value and the importance of privacy and cash, right? So they're like right in line with those people that you're talking about.

And so, you know, to write this off, and that's like why when we built up a community of Bitcoiners, just particularly on Twitter, this community of people that got on board by being promised, you know, the moon, it ends up just feeding this cyclic crap of just like nonsense people that don't understand anything.

And all they want to do is see the number go up, right? And that is where we move out of this space of like, oh, Bitcoin's not a, Bitcoin's not like a pump thing. And it's like, like when you tell people that it is what a number go up tech and all this stuff, it's like, dude, you are just trying to sell people,

so that your bag is gain value. Bitcoiners need to realize that. Like I had a whole debate, like not debate, but discussion. And they ended up agreeing with me about like the toxic maximus and toxic Bitcoiners and stuff like that.

I'm like, it's, it's sad. It's, it's not a, it's not this like fun thing, you know, like you can be like, I don't use other cryptocurrency, but I don't need to be like this person that's like, oh, everything else is just shit.

Maybe a majority of it is, but like that doesn't. - All this stuff is code written by humans. It's not preordained by God and the whole, like an axes likening code to the word of God and stuff like that.

It's just bizarre and deranged. And you know who the, the toxic maximus or whatever want to be or are larping to be like is the original cypherpunk movement. You know, that's where this whole thing came from.

And that's what the focus should be on. Not just saying, ha ha, have fun staying for, you know, Bitcoin to the moon. We should be like, ha ha, this is decentralized, digital peer to peer cash that we can spend without financial intermediaries, that we can do whatever we want and no one can stop us.

It shouldn't be about how rich we're gonna get and how poor you're going to be. You know, it's just bizarre. It doesn't make any sense there. - Yeah, it's an interesting one. And also like the attacks on, same, like I only have Bitcoin, but I also don't have a problem with someone using something like Monero if they want the privacy

and they don't want to mess around and use samurai or take the extra steps. So yeah, I understand it, like I get it. There's a use for shit like that. And you know, people can turn around and say like, oh fuck them, they're shit coiners.

They're disgusting. But it's like, well, cash is a shit coin then, isn't it? People use cash, but it's pretty fucking useful. And anything else that you can use to trade is technically then a shit coin, isn't it?

But you can use that to trade. So at the end of the day, it's like, what is this about? And I think some of that comes from insecurity and some of it comes from like, I just want everyone to buy Bitcoin.

So I get rich, but at the end of the day, that's not really what this is about. Like, although I think it's going to become really valuable at some point, it's like, it's valuable already because of what it can do.

And so I think maybe more focus on that and yeah, less focus on the number go up. - Absolutely. - It's like the scarcity wouldn't mean anything if the utility wasn't there, right? - Yeah.

- If Bitcoin ceased to be that digital cash that we all know and love, then it doesn't matter that the supply is limited, you know? - I actually had, this reminded me, I had an interesting conversation with someone and it was like, we should be changing like the definitions of Bitcoin, right?

Like Bitcoin should be no KYC. Like I shouldn't have to label it no KYC, right? It should start as Bitcoin. And if you buy KYC Bitcoin, that's KYC Bitcoin. The small shift in conversation, right?

It'd be like, oh, I bought Bitcoin. Oh, where'd you get it at? - I bought it, you bought KYC Bitcoin. - You have to put it at the end, like Bitcoin Cash or Bitcoin SV or Bitcoin Diamond or Bitcoin Go, it has to be Bitcoin KYC.

- Bitcoin K-Waste. - That's how it works. - Yeah. - Yeah, I mean, I think if you think about it, if you think about it, if it's branded that way and marketed differently, it has a different spin.

It has a different mindset. 'Cause people want Bitcoin, they don't. And that's the problem, right? It's that they hear Bitcoin and then they go to exchange. They're like, oh, this is Bitcoin, no, that's KYC Bitcoin.

Bitcoin, KYC, whatever. - I think we can change these narratives. I think it's just about keeping on battling and pushing. And like I said, we've seen actual change from just running this month.

We've seen it actually happen and people actually do it. So that's pretty fucking cool. And I wanted to just jump into the fact that you guys are helping with it and say two things. Firstly, huge thank you for you guys, giving some hardware away, we'll get into what it is in a second, it's massively appreciated.

And my hope is that maybe somebody who either can't afford one of these or hasn't heard of them before can start to use it and start to take back control of their money and move forward in the most private way possible.

And secondly, I wanted to say, I'm sorry, brother rabbit, because you sent me a blog post and a pre-written, like really fucking professional giveaway. And I completely ignored it because I'm prick.

So I'm sorry about that, but it's really, really good. - Oh man, I need to see that. I didn't even know he did that. - I've seen it, it is very cool looking. - It's really good. And I just fucking ignored it because I'm an asshole.

So sorry brother rabbit. - I mean, I can't deny that fact. It is a really cool blog post when you do get around to it. But we definitely, I mean, we want to support the movement, right? He asked us, he brought it up and I know you messaged me and it was like a no-brainer.

'Cause I mean, this is our realm. This is what we're all about. We like to stay within our values, stay within our ethos and all those other groups that are in the same mindset and support the same things.

Like we want to support the best that we can. So yeah, absolutely. And hopefully, you know, like, hopefully one of those new guys who got a minor that's never done Bitcoin. And then next thing, you know, they end up with a bakuto setup they can do.

I mean, I know you're going to get into the giveaway, but it's going to be really cool. Hopefully, even if it's not, it's someone that's just trying to do it. Like we'd love to see more people running it.

And you know, this is our way to try to get people out there. And that's why we came up with the bakuto was to drop that threshold, you know, to drop the price threshold for those who can't afford the tanto yet.

That's fine. We still want to support you so welcome. We just want to get you the best hardware that you can, that you can run this on. - Can we, before we jump into the giveaway, just talk about the three different options of how you can run Ronan Dojo.

Do you want to maybe break down those three options and then we get in and talk about what the giveaway is? - Sure, I can take that. So with the tanto, that's our flagship Bitcoin node. If you go to RonanDojo.io, you'll see the tanto there under our products.

That's basically the super premium option. You know, it's aluminum shell that's been see and seed. So it's just one piece, the shell itself is a heat sink. You know, there's no fans. It's got the Rock Pro 64, one terabyte and BME SSD with adapter chips and everything you need.

It's plug and play. So it comes with a one month of premium support built into the cost. And you know, that's the flagship premium model. Like I said, and then the Bocuto, which we'll be doing for this giveaway is up.

- Sorry, mate. - Yeah. - Before you move on to the Bocuto. The tanto I've seen and held Brother Rabbit brought one down the pub and showed me. And I just want to say like, I've seen the pictures.

I'd seen everything online. I've heard people talk about it, but fuck me. That is premium. It really is like, it doesn't feel like a Bitcoin product. And that sounds a bit cunty, but like normally the one products are just a bit shit.

You'd love it 'cause it's Bitcoin, but this is really, really nice. So I'd just say to anyone who considers it, you can take my word for this. It is fucking gorgeous. - Yeah, we were trying to go for that Mac mini level of Finnish, you know, people are with the mainstream companies.

They're so used to their shiny, sexy metal cases. So we were happy to deliver something on level with that. And so here I'll jump into the Bocuto next. Bocuto is the cheaper entry level node that we'll be giving away.

It's basically a DIY, you know, do it yourself building kit so that you can get into building a node for, you know, half the cost of what our tanto premium option is. It's a little more involved, you know, so don't order a tanto unless you're okay with clicking a few parts together and flashing.

Or sorry, don't order a Bocuto unless you're okay with, you know, clicking parts together and flashing a micro SD card, things like that. It's got an option, we have like a little library for 3D printable case files.

So you can download and 3D print your own case if you want to, or you could buy a 3D printable case from all kinds of different guys who can just download the files and print one for you and mail it to you.

The idea is just get nodes accessible to as many people as possible, make it as cheap as possible, as easy as possible to assemble and flash. And, you know, even though it's not totally plug and play, it's close enough to, you know, be worth it to save a little bit of money from going with the tanto premium option.

And then, of course, you can build a Ronan Dojo yourself without using any of the hardware, you know, our software's free and open source. So if you have a Raspberry Pi, you can put it on that.

It's not as performant, you know, we prefer the Rock Pro 64 hardware, but you can always custom build it out of. We also support other single-word computers like O-Droid, or I think the Rock Pi is also supported.

So really, you can custom build it, you can buy the premium option, you can go with the bokuto, which is in between, and no matter what your needs are, hopefully we have, you know, an option that fits it.

- Yeah, awesome. And so I've run a build your own one. My advice is also maybe don't do it on the Pi if you can avoid it, because the stability is not as good. But it's just really cool that you have the different options.

You know, you can completely build one of these yourself using any of the parts in the other ones. You can have the other option where you do a little bit of work and you get a 3D printed case, or you go for the big boy, the tanto, ultra premium, and you get the support on there.

And I like that you have those different options because it doesn't cut anyone out, doesn't make it so that people can't be, you know, fucking get your words together, Max. It makes it accessible to everyone, which I like.

- Right, right. And that's the beating heart of this community, is the tinkerers and builders and DIY guys. You know, that's what we started out with, with, you know, Ronan Dojo's were just raspberry pies and little 3D printed cases messing around.

So we'll always be there for those guys 'cause it is the heart of this project. - And Zellco, do you wanna dive into the giveaway? What you guys are offering? - Yeah, let me. - What you want me to-- - Pull up, I'm gonna pull up the actual blog post 'cause it's really cool.

- I'm sorry, I can't bother about that. - In the meantime, yeah, what I was gonna say is just that, like, we never really wanted to get away from, from our community. Like, we understand that not everyone's gonna have, you know, the money to go to the high end.

And that's why we started it, right? We started it because I remember when the red beast came out like a quote, unquote, red beast, which was the nodal dojo. And I was like, I can't afford that.

Like, my wife would kill me if I spent that on a node. So I need to figure out how to do this otherwise, right? So, and then I was like, well, I can't be the only one like that. And there was a lot of people, and that's just kind of how we started.

So our goal is to never leave people out, offer different tiers, and try to support the community the best we can. So with that, I do have my little blog post up. So what we're doing is the bakuto giveaway, right?

And it comes with the device, cooling fan, and a one terabyte SSD and VME card. So, and that's exactly what you get if you buy the bakuto through us. So to participate, we're looking for, to design a 3D case for the bakuto.

And you'll submit that. Oh, here it is. Upload it to printables.com. So printables.com. And it should contain the .3 MF or STL file. Those are, that's what you can use to actually print it.

And then screenshots, rendering, all that kind of stuff. And a little description on there. Feel free to DM us if you have questions. And then obviously you need to tag bit by bit pod on Twitter.

We're on a dojo note on Twitter and then hashtag #plebminermonth, I'm sorry. And yeah, so then we'll be printing them and seeing how compatible they are. We're looking for printability, originality, popularity, and then like the assembly instructions.

Is it easy to assemble? Is it hard if not, like how that kind of goes? So the whole idea is like, hey, we're gonna give away something and we wanna give away something that like people immediately be able to use.

And we've had some people who did this already. So good on them. But what we're looking for is people to get creative, people to make something unique and cool. And we want it for the community, right?

So like that's the whole idea. Is that we wanna be able to open source it. We've had a couple that are, I think we have one that it's like you pay for the file, which I used to think was crazy on for 3D printed files.

'Cause there's a bunch of websites that do a bunch of free ones. But I also understand, you know, that's like people make files, they wanna be free. But that's when we're gonna open source so that people can go ahead and print these themselves or take them to a local, somewhat a friend or a local printer and get it printed for them.

You know, 'cause that's the goal, right? Like we want accessibility to as many people as possible for, you know, having an option that's significantly cheaper, but still very cool to have in their home that they're proud of.

- Well, it's awesome. Thank you so much guys for doing it. The blog post is better. - Oh, the blog post is really cool and I just completely missed it. I'm gonna link that to the pod anyway and do some tweets about it as well.

But yeah, just massively appreciate what you're doing and giving this away. And I'm looking forward to seeing what people come up with. My hope is that through all the giveaways, you know, people can win the S9s, they can win this beautiful bakuto, they can win foundation devices, passports, they can win all sorts of stuff.

So like, there's no reason that someone can't enter this the right way and start using Bitcoin the right way. So that's the hope of it all. - Yeah. And if you have a friend that does three design files and stuff like that, like let them know too, like they might not even be into Bitcoin,

but you know, let them do it and see if they can make something cool or just work with them on it. Like we'll take that as a solution. You know, like this space is big and the space is, I say big, but like it's bigger than just Bitcoin, right?

So always open to meeting new people and getting new people onboarded. Like to me, that's a great opportunity to onboard someone. And then even if it's a friend who can do the design files, guess what you guys can both use Dojo and both start using Bitcoin together on the same node.

So it's a good opportunity. I definitely like it kind of goes in that false spirit 'cause this is exactly, we didn't do it through a giveaway, but you know, like we were hoping that someone would help us with a case like when it first started.

I think that's two, probably remembers it too, but you know, we had 3D printed case files that someone helped design that just wanted to contribute and that led into, you know, our case engineer who designed everything and gave us a metal case and that was like the game changer, right?

But you know, people just wanting to contribute is huge. So give us your best work. We wanna see some cool designs, some cool stuff and have a chance to win this. - And keep an eye on our printables.

It's on our website if you go to the Bocudo page on ronindojo.io, keep an eye on our little 3D printed file library. Ideally over time, you know, more and more Bocudo cases will be designed and submitted.

And hopefully there'll be a nice range of designs to choose from as time progresses. So you guys can print, you know, maybe a stealth Bocudo or maybe one that looks like a little actual Japanese building in Kyoto.

It's really interesting to see all the designs that are already popping up. So I would love to everyone who, or toaster, yeah, something super upset firstly. But yeah, good luck to everyone that enters and we're super excited to see all the designs and give away a Bocudo for all the hard work.

- Awesome. Well, I think that's probably a good place to close it out. It's been a pleasure speaking to you both. Just seeing what you guys have done in the little amount of time is mind blowing.

And I very much look forward to seeing all of these 3D print designs going out. Hopefully it gets someone to use Bitcoin properly. And yeah, I'd love to guys, I'd love to guys you have back on again soon.

(both laughing) I can't even, I'd love to guys, you have you back on again soon. - Strike file every time. (both laughing) - What a fucking idiot. But yeah. - Yeah, I just wanna add something real quick.

So I wanna give you credit, Max, 'cause I remember Q and A going on the first time with you in the beginning when you first started this show and seeing how far that you've progressed and your progression as both a podcaster and as like a Bitcoiner has been awesome to see.

I wish that I was in the, I don't say I wish I was in the EU or the UK, but I wish that opportunity to meet you. I definitely wanna make a trip out there at some point so I can grab a beer with you, but it's definitely really cool to see your progression.

You might not take credit or might not appreciate it, but I see it and I definitely wanted to say I appreciate it and you doing the Play of the Month. Play of minor month has been awesome.

It's a great initiative. So thank you for doing that. - Thank you very much, mate. That means a lot and yeah, we're not gonna stop here bit by bit and ungovernable misfits will keep on coming.

And we won't stop until people start using Bitcoin properly. And yeah, I really appreciate all of everything you said there. And I'm not allowed into the US, but at some point we will have that beer or a few whiskies as soon as you hit the EU.

- Absolutely. Oh, that sounds great, man. It'd be lovely to meet all the UK names. - Yeah, well, you're missing out because I won't say when or where, but we've got a good group going for some drinks soon in the UK and any time you guys come over, just let us know, go for some drinks, go for a bit of a pub crawl.

- Awesome, really appreciate you having a song, man. - Well, appreciate everything you're doing and the giveaway and everything else. So thank you so much. And yeah, stay on the line. I'll make sure I save the audio.

- Okay, cheers, man. - Thanks for listening and a massive thank you to the Ronan Dojo team. Firstly, for supporting the Play of minor month and doing this giveaway, it really is appreciated.

And also just for being so relentless in your efforts to keep the best open source node package going. I really do appreciate it. Make sure to check out the link in the show notes for a chance to win and also make sure to go to ungovernablemisfits.com to check out all the other prizes, podcasts, bite-sized bitcoins and articles.

We have a whole section dedicated just to Play of minor month. Catch you on the next one.