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Welcome back, everyone. Today I have self-banked on the show. He's here to talk to us about government mandates and the effect it's having on him and his family. He's a very good friend of mine, and an incredible bloke, incredible Bitcoiner, who's been focused for years on pushing the space forward, working on 21ism, and much more.

He does not deserve the bullshit that is coming his way, and as somebody who's been practicing in medicine for over 25 years, I'm sickened to see that he could potentially lose his job in the coming months because of some fuckwits passing a ridiculous law.

I know that whatever happens, self-banked and his family would do great, but we do discuss some of the options out there for people in his position. So, if you are also in medicine and you're in the UK, then this is well worth a listen.

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I really respect this team. And if you are going to use this as an onboarding process, then make sure you go to fastbitcoins.com. - Hello. - Hi, mate. (laughing) - I can see you now. - Are you doing the video or no video?

- I'm fine, either way. - I wasn't going to just because my internet connection is really bad. - Good point. - We could do. - We can try it. - No, no, no. No, let's not. It's probably best just to keep it audio, isn't it?

- Cool. - How are you? - I'm good. I'm good. I've had a bit of a tiring day. In fact, every day is quite tiring at work at the moment, but I'm good. - How are you? - Yeah, all good, mate.

I'm excited to have this conversation as horrible as the conversation is to be having. It's affecting me in a weird way because you're a friend of mine, a good friend of mine. And the shit that's going on with you is really not just angering me, but upsetting me.

So I thought this is a good conversation to be having. And I'm not surprised you were tired. For anyone who's listening, I would say you've been on this show, it's probably about a year ago.

So if anyone doesn't know self-banks, firstly, you fucked up in life, you need to rethink it, but you should go back and have a listen, get a bit of a background story, the rabbit hole story and all that sort of stuff because this is going to be more specifically aimed at work and COVID and everything that's going on.

So do you wanna give a bit of a background and run down on what it is you're currently doing and why we're having the chat? - Yeah, and so first off, and so thank you very much for your kind words.

And yeah, it was an absolute pleasure to first meet you and have that discussion with you on your party year or so back and then all the interactions and the friendship that's kind of blossomed from that afterwards is something I've been really, really grateful for.

It's just, it's awesome to turn online sort of relationships into meet space kind of friendships. And I think that's been a great support to me certainly. So that's been a pleasure. In terms of my situation at the moment, and so some people may know or not, but I'm a doctor, I'm a kind of UK consultant

and Easter test and I was born, I was educated and I was constrained in this country and I've been practicing medicine where I started medicine about sort of 25 years ago, but the training process within our aesthetics is very long.

So I've been working as a consultant and Easter test now for about six or seven years. And I love my job, I love my career. I'm very proud of what I do and the work that it's taken to get here.

It's certainly my job recently has supported me being a new kind of father. And indeed, I might have another one on the way. So it's, you know, all these things. And so thank you very much.

It's very early days, but thank you very much. But yes, I mean, I love my job, but facing the vaccine mandates that are happening within the NHS in the UK has been a huge amount of stress.

And it's something that I feel very strongly about on a lot of levels and I've been doing my best to sort of summarize these and to articulate them. And so to those concerned, but yeah, I mean, my position is that I definitely do not want to be receiving this so-called vaccine.

And that japanizes my career and the way it stands at the moment, I've got about a week and a half after which I'll be served my notice in my current job. And then two months after that, I will be dismissed just without any extra sort of money just a complete cut off.

I've had conversations with my hospital director at the job I've been in for four or five years now. And he's a nice guy and he seems understanding, but very much seems like he's just following orders.

And I spoke to someone else very high up in the, and so in the organization. And again, they were supportive, but again, they just seem to be following orders. And this legislation from the government looks to be something that all providers of healthcare services in England are having to abide by.

It's been a strange day because there was just announcements just come today that in the UK, in England, a lot of the COVID restrictions are gonna be ending very soon. Yet still the NHS mandate remains.

So it's all a bit of a roller coaster at the moment. It's such a weird situation. I mean, first with the changes that are supposedly happening, we shall see, I guess. Yes, yes. Words mean less than nothing at this point.

So we shall see. But it's such a fucking weird situation because what I find interesting is a lot of the people who are, let's say, vaccine supporters, I won't be more derogatory than that.

Just the normal person who's not thinking and they're nodding along, they'll come out with things all the time to me. Like, oh, the NHS is overrun and we can't get the staff and it's a real problem.

And COVID's caused this. I always have to correct and say, no, COVID hasn't caused this. The decisions made by governments and legislators have caused this. It's nothing to do with a virus saying, me, the virus, I'm gonna fight you.

It's people doing it. And that really pisses me off, it's just like, you know, I'm no doctor, but from what I've seen, it's very clear that there is no benefit transmission-wise with this virus whether someone has got the vaccine or hasn't got the vaccine.

Then they can't argue that you're actually gonna put anyone else at risk. So all you could possibly do is help people and they're firing you. That's what's so fucking mental. Yeah, there's an awful lot of inconsistencies.

And there's been a lot of lies over the past sort of 12 to 18 months about the effectiveness of the vaccine. And, you know, that that's gone from being 100% effective, you know, and so to God knows what, I think the last I had was about 37% effective.

But I mean, you know, we all know that the vaccine, and even if you're up to date with all of your boosters, it does not stop infection or transmission. And it was admitted by the CEO of Pfizer last week or so that the two doses provide little, if any, protection against the latest of the variants, which is innocuous itself.

So yeah, there's just such a lot of inconsistencies there. The only thing that they seem to have is this concept that it provides some and so some benefit in terms of the severity of the infection.

But that's a very difficult thing to prove or to disprove, whereas, you know, the rate of infection or the rate of transmission to other people has been easier to disprove because they can't deny the data.

Whereas, and so the data on the severity of infection, I think it's a convenient little thing to hang onto. But that pretty much is the last thing that they are hanging on to validate this.

And what's it been like? I mean, we know each other pretty well. I know that you wear your heart on your sleeve, you are not someone who holds back, you'll say what you think and if you think something's right, you'll go with it.

How has it been for you having to live almost a double life? Because on one hand you're thinking, and I know this, you've been thinking this is bullshit from fucking literally day one, for years we've been talking about this now.

So, I know that, but then on the other hand, you want to do your job that you love and you want to provide for your family. And so, I assume there must be some sort of trade-off in the workspace.

What's it been like for you having to navigate that and how has that affected you mentally and do you have to come back and sort of drink a bottle of whiskey and then nut a wall for an hour?

Or like, what happens? Yeah, no, it hasn't been the easiest. You know, there are, into everyone, I think, in their workplace or in their communities, they see there and so their natural kind of allies and those who are not.

So, you know, I've had to discriminate and so who are the allies and who aren't. And on the whole, I've been able to be pretty open about my opinions at work, but you know, it has ruffled some of the feathers and I have had to be quite careful with what I say with certain people.

And I know there are some people in which I would definitely not embark on a discussion with. Yeah, that that would not end well. So, on the whole, I've had to be quite quiet, but then until the mandates were announced and the emails were received by our sort of bosses within the past month or so.

And so, after that point, I literally have nothing to lose. I'm almost like a dead man walking, which is quite liberating because there's no point in me holding my tongue anymore. So, I've been able to be even more outspoken at work, which I've quite enjoyed and there's a number of other people.

It's a fairly smallish hospital that I'm in. There's about, there's two of the surgeons, three of the theatre staff that I know of who are in the same sort of position as me. I'm not sure that all of them will remain unvaccinated and there's one that's really struggling with, I mean, it's just in terms of income

and the ability to support themselves afterwards. But, yeah, there's certainly a few others in my similar situation. So, we talk on a regular basis. There's chats, there's all the WhatsApp groups and the Telegram groups throughout the country or the region of doctors in a similar position, which have been very helpful.

And so, it has been quite draining and I think up until the end of last year, I wasn't coping with that particularly well, partly because there was such a lot of uncertainty. But, since the certainty was announced, just before Christmas, I was very reflective of this over the Christmas.

And so, over that break and then I made the decision when it got to New Year's to quit drinking because, and so over indulging or trying to relieve stress in other ways, like that was definitely not helping me and the pressure I'm feeling under over the past month, I don't think I'd be able to cope with the extra anxiety of a hangover

or not being completely on my game. So, I've just got to make the right decisions and I've got to be sharp and it's been three weeks now of not drinking and I feel like I'm definitely making the right decision.

- Nice. - I've never been more convinced of it and in a way I've been making the preparations mentally, psychologically and beginning to think about the practicalities of what would play out if my job and my career would to end in this country come April.

- You've got to look after your health and mental wellbeing and I can understand the sort of using the alcohol as a crutch 'cause it was something I was doing heavily last year. I think all of us were, I know with our 21ism calls, like, you know, I was hammering away at the whiskey or whatever substance I could get my hands on really

because it was just such a, I don't know, it feels a bit different this year because I think for the sort of year and a half, especially before that, it was like a weird uncertainty. - Yeah, we felt that what's now here was coming, but it seemed like conspiracy theory at the time 'cause everyone was like, oh, don't be stupid,

they're not gonna mandate, don't be stupid, they're not gonna roll it into a passport, don't be stupid, they're not gonna be talking about microchipping, don't be stupid, they're not gonna stop you going to shops.

But we're like, yeah, well, that's obviously what they are gonna do and certainly for me, I started feeling a bit crazy. I started feeling a bit like, whoa, I think I'm going too hard on this fucking rabbit hole.

(laughs) And then the alcohol's a bit of a release, but yeah, now I'm glad to hear you've done that. - Yeah, no, that was very beneficial. And also, yeah, I've just got to be able to get my thoughts together really clearly on it.

I've got to be able to explain it to my bosses, to my family and so to friends. I've just done a bit of some writing, I think, over the past 24 hours that I'd quite like to put out quite soon, I might do some revisions of it, but it's been a good opportunity for me to get my thoughts together.

Yeah, it's very valuable. - And so where are they now? Like, if you were to try and summarize your thoughts on the whole situation, how are you now thinking? - How am I now thinking? In relation to the vaccine itself and it's sort of problems or to what's happening with the media and the propaganda at the moment or--

- Yeah, it's quite all my question, isn't it? I mean, I suppose like a summary of where do you think that this is likely to go and how alone are you in terms of other doctors? Like, do you think that this is going to be a mass exodus and that we're going to suddenly have, you know, 10%, 20% of people leaving or is it going to be so small

that rather than actually being heroes, which I really think that what you're doing and any other doctor who says, "Nah, I'm not doing this shit," not just because of my health, but because it's wrong.

And it goes against the practice of medicine and also just basic fucking human rights and sovereignty over people's bodies. And I think that's a very brave thing to do, but do you think it's going to be viewed that way?

Or do you think actually you're going to be viewed and demonized because it's a small enough group that it's easy to do that with? Yeah, so I don't really know how I'm going to be viewed, but I don't really care how I'm going to be viewed either because I'm not doing it, you know, I'm not doing it to be viewed in any kind of way.

I'm just doing it purely because instinctively, professionally, medically, scientifically in terms of the evidence that I have, it quite clearly seems the most sensible thing to do. I think that my health is of the utmost importance and I'm not prepared to play Russian roulette with it.

And also, I feel that the medical profession in this country anyway is just going mad. I mean, just today, I had one person in the queue for lunch saying they hated their job and they were going to quit.

Nothing to do with COVID. There was another big sort of announcement today about one of the managers who's been very popular and everyone likes and they've handed their notice. And I think people are leaving sort of left, right and center, really, that the whole thing seems to be collapsing.

I really don't know how they're going to cope after April if they do get the 80 or 100,000 of their staff who are sacked. I mean, that's going to end up particularly for certain areas like the maternity services who were already and to thousands of midwives actually down with a high ethnic sort of population there as well

with quite a lot of skepticism about the vaccines. I think that's going to be a bloody nightmare. So there's a possibility that this might be rescinded at the last minute. However, I'm just going, I'm not assuming that in any way.

I'm just taking it as red that all this is going to happen. I'm taking it as red that no matter what people say or what news or announcements that we get before, no matter of what kind of asteroid hits Earth or what geopolitical conflict occurs between Taiwan and the Ukraine or whatever right now,

I'm assuming this is all going to go ahead and I'm assuming I'm going to be out of the job in April. I think it's best to be prepared for that worst case scenario. - Yeah, and the cynic in me thinks, well, this is like, obviously you have to be sick to think like this, but presumably the people

who are fucking planning this stuff are very sick. I'd be thinking if I was in their shoes, if I have a load of people step down, it's going to cause massive strain on the NHS, which is already under massive strain supposedly.

And then what that means is we can have someone to blame it on. So we can blame firstly, the unvaccinated who are causing COVID to spike, meaning the hospitals are over run. And we can also blame the selfish, horrible doctors and nurses who wouldn't get the job.

Then that can create a really nice narrative, which is the unvaccinated are the people who have destroyed the country, destroyed the NHS. Anyone who dies in hospitals or any problems there are in hospitals is down to them, not to incompetence and misuse of funds and everything else that they're doing.

And so it just kind of is like a one size fits all where we can just blame unvaccinated. And then it's really nice to push the agenda of let's fucking get them. And that's what worries me is like, it seems that their depravity, there's no end to it.

- No, well, that really sort of worries me as well. I mean, the ratcheting up of the demonization of the unvaccinated has been really scary. And it crept up very quickly in this country. We didn't really, it wasn't really spoken about until October, November of last year.

And then within, you know, from November to January, it seems to be increasingly acceptable to demonize them. Yeah, and that's been, that's been scary, particularly the way, particularly if you look to see the direction of things in countries like Austria or Australia, and recent statements by Trudeau and Macron.

- That PEDO. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean, I've just got to, I've just got to expect that that same level of demonization and potentially marginalization and isolation of the unvaccinated will progress.

And so that puts a lot of fear into me. And of course, I mean, one of the main things and one of the main concerns I have is the increasing march and trajectory of this agenda into younger children.

Clearly below 40, I feel the risk of benefit analysis for the vaccine starts to get pretty muddy, which is kind of where I am. But, you know, getting into the teens, particularly teenage, how can boys, you know, there seems to be a significant risk of myocarditis, up to one in 2,700, of which apparently 20% are likely to be permanent.

You know, we've all seen the footballers and the athletes who have been sort of dropping down recently. It's been pretty scary. And, you know, there's been front-page articles in the national press in the UK calling for vaccination of kind of five to 11 year olds to keep the schools open.

And my young boy is close to school age. And I just, I can't really be complicit or compliant with any vaccine policies whose trajectory looks to me to threaten his health and future freedom.

Again, I'm not a doctor, but it seems like you got a virus that doesn't seem to really affect children. And then you have all the issues and all the vaccine injury problems and myocarditis and all these other things that are really fucking scary and real, the fact that they're pushing it just seems evil to me.

I mean, is there any legitimacy? Is there any reason that makes any sense? Or is it just like completely fucking mental? - Well, in terms of the children, I can't see any justification for that.

The only justification that I can really see for that is that by eliminating Covid in the population at large, then that's good for more vulnerable members of the population. But by exposing kids to a new experimental gene therapy, which is one way to describe the vaccine that has risks that we probably don't even,

that we aren't even aware of yet. And so given the fact that they are not themselves at risk of significant complications of Covid, and so to me that's an unjustifiable exposure of risk to them.

And that's almost like a sacrificial vaccination of kids for the greater good of society. That means that's an argument I just cannot, particularly as a parent, except in any way. - What they're doing is they're actually using children as a shield.

- Exactly. - Not even fucking effective, it's just like, where's that bravery? Where's that protection? What the fuck has happened to society? - Yeah, well, that's totally inhuman to me. I think that signifies the loss of society's values.

Kids should be the ones that we protect at all costs. Then they should not be a human shield against Covid in elderly vulnerable populations. That is just utter insanity. So that doesn't make any sense.

When it comes to pregnant mothers, I think it's a bit of a difficult one. I mean, pregnant ladies, particularly around their delivery dates, there's a lot of stress on their bodies, and they quite often, it's a pretty challenging time for their physiology, for their heart and for their lungs.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a period of risk. But, I mean, you'd have to balance that with the risk of exposing a kafitas to a new biological agent as in a new gene therapy, which is tried and untested.

And I mean, I think that the take up of vaccination in pregnant women is extremely low, primarily because they think about that risk and they're concerned about that risk. They're concerned about the risks for their fertility and about any unknown risks on their babies.

And I think that's the most important thing to avoid. So it's completely understandable that pregnant women will not want to be vaccinated. I can't speak with any expertise about the sort of peripartum risk to mothers who are already under a lot of physiological stress through pregnancy.

And so I do have a friend who works in obstetrics and he does say that there is a higher rate of unvaccinated women going to intensive care units due to COVID complications in late pregnancy.

But I think that's affected by the fact that there are so few of them who are vaccinated anyway. And I can't really piece that apart. But as I said, it's always gonna be a balance of risk.

And so our personal decision with my wife during this pregnancy is that she will not be getting vaccinated. I think that's a choice everybody's got to make, but that's certainly our choice.

- Obviously, like you said, the people we really need to be looking after after in society is the children first. It's the thing that's really, really pissed me off seeing the way that this is turning and seeing people accept it and seeing people whose children have been injured and them saying, oh, well, I'm still glad they did it

and all this sort of stuff. And you're just like, what the fuck are you talking about? This is such a weird world that this is starting to be, or trying to be normalized. And the other thing is the whole mask wearing for children.

I mean, it's just like, and them having to see the masks on their parents. Like there must be some real serious long-term issues for people who are developing social skills, recognizing sort of social cues, reading faces, eye movements.

All this sort of stuff is like, it seems so obvious that this is going to cause way more harm than good. - Yeah, no, I think so. I mean, and so I've been quite fiercely sort of anti-mask wearing around my son.

And the nursery kind of pick up sort of cue is, you know, has been quite interesting over the past few years. There's people who've been very compliant, and others who have not. But, you know, I very much want to normalize what I see as normal behavior for my son.

And I think their development during that first few years is really kind of critical. I think the ability to see facial expressions and to interpret the body language and the sort of nuances of speech and of kind of personality and expression through her face is really, really important, you know, to their development.

And there's certainly been a big uptick in mental health issues, you know, of all ages, but I think particularly in sort of young people over the past couple of years, I've seen articles about, and so about kind of Tourette syndrome in and so in sort of young girls as being, you know, completely off the charts at the moment.

It's difficult to tease these things out with, you know, more social media, et cetera, et cetera, but the mask wearing thing I think has been very damaging. So, I mean, it's great to see in the UK that I think from tomorrow they're going to, they're going to get rid of all the mask wearing in schools in the UK, which is great news.

Great news. - That's amazing. Well, I mean, we can only hope that what they're talking about and saying they're gonna do is gonna happen and that things do start easing up and that the fear then ramps down.

'Cause I think, you know, it seems like a lot of this is driven just completely by fear and then people are acting irrationally. They're all attacking each other and maybe if we can ramp down the fear for long enough, then people will start to think a little bit more clearly and they might start to think,

hmm, maybe it's not a good idea to get rid of doctors who are really highly trained just because they don't want experimental gene therapy which does no fucking good for the patient or them.

Maybe that's a really fucking stupid thing to do and maybe we should rethink that and some of the other things that are going on. It definitely feels to me, just from sort of like experiencing interactions between people like listening in to conversations at the gym or wherever I am, it does feel like it's starting to drop a little bit.

That fear is starting to drop and people are starting to ask questions. Is that something you're seeing within the hospital or from sort of work events or anything like that, are you starting to feel that you're less alone than you were previously?

- Yeah, I mean, I think that the truth is out there. I think that anyone who is at all and curious about what has been going on this past couple of years is perfectly capable of getting a pretty good explanation of things.

But there's a lot of contribalism and there's a lot of, what's that, kind of sunk cost, kind of fallacy stuff. I think that there's a lot of people who have been very invested in this. It's become a part of their identity and I think they feel quite sort of threatened by the sort of shattering of that by any truth emerging.

And so some people I think are still very protective of all their COVIDism and they're welcome to keep it. But yeah, I think the truth is going to be hard to contain. It really is. - What are the things that stand out to you as a medical professional?

What are the things you would maybe say to a fellow doctor or loved one, where you'd say, look, to me, and this is my job, this doesn't look right, either with the data or with what you're seeing in the hospitals.

Are there things that you can particularly point to which you just think like anyone who wants to actually use their brain can realize this is not quite right? - I mean, there's a lot to get into there.

I mean, we've already talked a little bit about the myocarditis risk in particularly young men. I think that's a huge concern. I've been speaking to a few other anaesthetists about this and so one of which believes that the myocarditis risk is probably prevalent across all ages, but it's just being kind of conflated

and slightly kind of hidden in the data. But I think it's most clear in that sort of young male age group who has only recently started to be vaccinated. But I mean, I think there's been a big uptick in heart attacks and sort of strokes, particularly in certain parts of the UK.

I think there was a 25% uptick in the MI rate in the west of Scotland that was quite well correlated with one of the vaccination waves last year. I think these correlations are increasingly hard to ignore.

And I think the one that people cannot ignore is the one in boys between 15 to 19, which looks to be significant. And I believe this has been brought into courts of law in the UK based upon quite heavy, high quality data from the ONS, which is the office for national or come statistics in the UK.

So it's great to see that good data management has occurred in this country and perhaps that will be the savior to allow that data to not be hidden. There's the freedom of information acts to the ONS and there's been quite a lot of requests for information that they've had to supply.

And a lot of the data that's coming out is now quite concerning and is being passed up the chain. And I think in some ways it's partly the reason why there's been a sort of kind of backtracking in the progression of this agenda in this country lately.

- Yeah, let me say it's good to see some of this data coming out.

It's all very dreary and scary and worrying. However, the one thing, the one saving grace and what I think about when I think of your situation is, thank God that you have been involved in Bitcoin for as long as you have, that you've been preparing yourself both mentally and preparing yourself being someone who is,

what's the word I'm looking for? (laughs) - Basically being an outsider, like the fact that you have been an outsider with Bitcoin for so long and the person who's sitting there saying, the money's fucked, like this is all a scam.

This is a Ponzi scheme. This is crazy. The whole thing's a nightmare. It's all gonna blow up in everyone's faces. People are being stolen from, it's destroying lives. We're saying this stuff which is really unpopular but true.

The fact that you've gone through that, it's almost like training because now you're going through it all over again, but at least you're a little bit more prepared. So I see that as at least a positive because I think someone who hasn't gone through that and isn't a Bitcoiner but has the feelings you have

with all the medical stuff, I don't know how they'd cope. - Yeah, I mean, it's been really sort of heavy to deal with but you're right, I think. And so being a Bitcoiner and being aware of the enormity of the corruption and the sort of debt and slavery that's been enacted by the fiat monetary system

and continues to be, I think that allows you to open your mind to the potential for other grand conspiracies of that level of which I guess this is probably one of them. But also, of course, it's given me the fact that I've been and so stacking quite religiously for a few years

has put me in a position where I've got the financial security to be able to speak truth to authority and to be able to put my thoughts out there and to be a voice of resistance and to have a lie in that I will stand by because I don't think me sort of continuing to bring some concrete income in every month

is the most important thing. I don't want to have to not stack and I don't want to have to be living off my stack but I think if I'm ever gonna have to make that switch, I think maybe over the next few months, it could be one of those times and it could be the right time to rely upon part of the safety net that I've built within Bitcoin.

And I mean, I'm just not prepared to compromise on something as big as this. It's just, I think to give into it, to comply with it just to bring in an income to keep the fear sort of and to all those responsibilities just kind of ticking along.

It's just, I think I'd be really miserable, you know? And I wouldn't be true to myself. - Well, Bitcoin has done what it says on the tin, really, hasn't it? - Yeah. - It's freedom money and it's fuck you money.

- Exactly. - It's done exactly that. It's given you the freedom to say fuck you and it's given you the ability to speak truth. - Yeah. - It is truth. I'm so happy that you are in that situation and you can think clearly because otherwise, it's literally blackmail.

It's like, you know, if you weren't in that situation, either feed your family or do as your fucking told and then what are you? You're a slave. - You're a slave. And that's the reason that so few people are able to speak out because they are just completely dependent upon their next paycheck and they've got mouths to feed.

And, you know, they're doing what they feel is best for their family because their choices are very limited. And that's because we've had a broken monetary system for far too long and people just aren't able to build up the security and the independence that you can within Bitcoin.

- So it's been a real eye-opening insight into how practically useful getting into Bitcoin can be. You know, I mean, I, and so I could leave my job. I, and so I could, I could leave this country.

I could start a new life. I could start a new career. And maybe I might even be happier in that, particularly given what I feel is the, well, has been the destruction of many of the values that I went into healthcare for.

I think the NHS and healthcare system in the UK has, you know, has been quite a toxic environment for a long time. I think they've been, you know, for the past few decades, they've been worn down in terms of their morale.

There's been a dehumanizing of the processes and the management and the relationships between those who work in healthcare. That partly explains why we're in the situation that we are. - Yeah, I just think things could be done a lot better.

You know, I'd love to remain part of healthcare, but maybe somewhere where it's more, and so where I feel that it is more effective and more human than the industrial healthcare that we have in this country.

You know, sometimes I get a bit despondent of the fact that, you know, I spend most of my days doing some joint replacements for overweight and boomers in their 60s or less 70s and things.

You know, is that really how I want to be spending the rest of my life doing that, you know? You know, it's a good, secure income, but I don't know. Maybe working in Bitcoin might be more rewarding than that kind of work.

I'm just asking myself all these questions now. - Well, I think there's potentially a possibility for both. - Yeah, it's not like people aren't going to need healthcare going forward in citadels and mestadels and after hyperbiconization and all of this.

People are always going to need healthcare and they're going to want good healthcare from people who actually know what they're doing. And I think that, well, I hope that truth eventually comes out and that people look back at this and they go, well, hold on.

Who were the doctors and who were the nurses and who were the healthcare professionals who actually had a backbone, who actually had a brain and bothered to think and then stand up and fight and that weren't prepared to go along with something they know to be wrong.

And then I think that people should look back at those people and say, right, these are the people that I want as my doctors. These are the people that I want to be looking after my family.

I know certainly I would. And so maybe that's a little while away, who knows, but maybe it's something that you come back to. Maybe it's like we do something with Bitcoin. Maybe that's new, maybe that's exciting.

And then you can actually do things to the standard that you want and there are going to be Bitcoiners who are going to have money and they want the best care. So that's my hope anyway. Yeah, I certainly hope that too.

I mean, and so recently we did some surgery with a little old lady who refused to be tested and she'd refused to be vaccinated. But it was great that the organization got their shit together and they were prepared to replace the hip of the old lady.

And so she was incredible. She was just a remarkable old lady who came in with her iPad with the UN declaration of human rights on it. And she was quoting all these great acts like to the Nuremberg sort of code and things.

And she was very clear about her rights. And it was a real kind of pleasure to be part of her care and to be part of her process and to anesthetize her for her surgery. And I enjoyed the experience a great deal.

And it just made me realize that I think when you're delivering care or providing a service to someone who you feel ideologically aligned with, it's significantly more rewarding. It just made me feel that I'd be so much more happy doing what I was doing for people who are more like that.

- Definitely. I mean, we experience it every day. I mean, we've had it with 21ism and I've had it with this show is that like, when I deal with people and we're doing any sort of business or we're doing any sort of interactions, like it's generally a pleasure because you are aligned, you respect them, I think is a big part of it.

And therefore people aren't taking the piss and it's very refreshing and I think that that's going to carry across to all different industries where people are just going to go, "Well, I'll just deal with Bitcoiners."

You know, what am I doing? Like, why am I bothering to deal with people who don't appreciate me? They want to take away my rights, you know, they don't respect my freedom to choose and why do I want to actually be helping these people?

I want to be helping the people that I like and I think that will happen. - Yeah, yeah. I'm certainly going to feeling that. I'm feeling that, and so delivering care to people who I don't necessarily feel that aligned with.

And so delivering it in an organization that I feel very unaligned with, in fact, pretty much the opposite with the majority of my colleagues who are the best, just want to keep quiet about everything.

Yeah, it's just, I feel that life is maybe more than that. I feel that potentially we're coming to a change that perhaps could be happier for everyone. It could certainly be happier, I think, for me, if I was to step away and step towards greater integration with communities who I felt more aligned with.

I mean, I've been speaking to my wife and if the mandate does go through, I could possibly go to other regions of the UK to work. And so Wales currently is without mandates. But I think the first thing we're probably going to be doing is getting a flight to Mexico.

And we're going to be doing some traveling with my little boy. And probably for at least three or four months, just explore parts of Mexico, other parts of Central America, obviously El Salvador.

And just look at opportunities and the potential for new lives, I guess, possibly the potential for places to work, maybe the potential for a more permanent sort of home. I believe recently, I've been speaking to a number of people who've moved out to Mexico.

I know a lot of Germans, apparently, I read earlier this week are going to South America buying land in Paraguay. So there seems to be a bit of an exodus going on. There seems to be a migration of young, or particularly young, freedom lovers from modern Western democracies who are feeling sort of pushed away

and very unaligned with their countries. And yeah, the draw towards being part of that new world, that sort of new beginning, that's beginning to become something I'm having trouble to ignore and something I'm beginning to get more excited about, even to the point of potentially, I don't give a fuck if a mandate goes through or not,

I might go, you know. - I can sense that, I can feel that. It's almost like one or two. - I might be kind of begging for it, to be honest. I mean, it would be funny, like, at the last minute, they said, ah, the mandate's been revoked, it was just a game.

And I'd still say, fuck you, I'm leaving, you know, and leave them in the lurch and enjoy it, particularly for the way that I've been treated, you know, which is, yeah, I kind of agree with you, but these are the rules and we've got to stick by the rules.

We're just following orders, so you've got all the orders. (laughing) - Well, it seems like it's not only a brain drain, but it's a soul drain. It's like, you know, anyone who's got a heart and a soul and some life in them and freedom lovers, like you said, they're all just like going, what the fuck am I doing here?

It's cold, it's wet, it's expensive. It's full of miserable cunts. Why don't I go to South America, somewhere with some sunshine and a bit of life and a bit more freedom and it's pulling me in as well.

There's definitely part of me that's just thinking, what am I doing? Like, what the fuck am I doing here? I think it's going to be great. I think there's going to be a lot of people who do go out there and I wonder whether they are the one to come back, even if things do change, even if Europe sort of wakes up in a few years,

I think that potentially people are going to settle out there and have a more enjoyable life. But it'd be interesting to check in with you sort of, I don't know, six months down the line and see once you've had a bit of travel time and yeah, explore with the family and see where you're going.

And for anyone who's listening to this, if you've got any Bitcoin jobs or opportunities or ideas or anything like that, like reach out to me, reach out to self-banked and just let us know because you're a smart mother fucker mate.

I know that whatever you do, you're going to make it work and I'm excited for you. I think there's going to be loads of opportunities and I'm sure there are people listening now who are going to need somebody like you in their business or in their idea or to partner up with and I think beautiful things will come.

- Yeah, and so thank you very much. That's very kind. I mean, I'm under no illusions that, you know, to move countries particularly to a new continent will have a lot of challenges and, you know, in so in a way, we'd be swapping the problems of here for new problems entirely that we don't even understand yet.

But in a way, that's quite sort of refreshing. As you said, the mundanities of life in England lately have been, you know, they've kind of ground people down a lot. So I kind of welcome the challenge.

And yeah, I mean, it would be phenomenal to be able to work within Bitcoin and I think the energy and the passion and the enthusiasm that I'd have for that would be huge. So I'm very much on the lookout for opportunities in that regard.

But I mean, I do feel that my training within anesthesia and medicine, you know, it would be, I think it'd be a huge loss, you know, to not continue to do that. So, you know, I would love to be able to continue that as well.

- Well, if someone listens to this and they think, right, I want self-banked, I want to speak to him. Should they just reach out to you on Twitter or email or? - Yeah, and so Twitter's great.

- I like shitposting. - And as meaming and everything else. - Writing, memeing, websites, yeah, whatever, all good. - All right, mate. Well, look, it's always a pleasure catching up with you.

I think we covered most things there and unless there's anything that you particularly wanted to get off your chest or were thinking about, but I think it's probably a good place to wind it up and then checking in, you know, sort of six months and go from there.

- Great, so yes, looking forward to it. I literally have no idea where I'll be or where the family will be, which is both scary and exciting at the same time. Let's speak again. - All right, mate.

Take care, we'll speak soon. - Take care. Cheers.