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All right, you ungovernable misfits. I'm your host, Max. Everybody knows that Bitcoin is useless, worthless, and doomed to fail. But what if everyone's wrong? What if it's the system that is doomed to fail?

Join me as I speak to some of the brightest people in the space, and slither to the deepest, darkest depths of the Bitcoin rabbit hole.

Welcome back, everyone. Today's episode is the fifth Mechdel monthly. The Mechdel was an idea thought up by Solax and his son Solax boy. I have them both on the show today. I'm really excited for this one.

The show wouldn't be here without these guys, so it's really cool to hear a little bit more about how it started. And also, just to see the bond between these two is really cool. It's really nice to see your father and son have shared interests and be able to work together.

I was so impressed with Solax boy after this conversation, someone who's keen on learning about all sorts of things and obviously a deep thinker like his dad. I was so impressed that I reached straight out, and I've actually asked him if he will work for me before, bit by bit, and for the Mechdel monthly.

There's a lot going to be coming. I won't divulge exactly what he's going to be doing, but it's good to get these youngsters earning some sense. They are the future, and if we're going to make these Mechdel's work, we have to have this circular economy.

So I'm really, really excited to get him on board. If anyone has any questions about the show or they have any ideas for future shows, do let me know you can get in contact with the details of the show notes.

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I really hope you enjoy the show, and like I said, reach out if you have any questions. (upbeat music) - Welcome, Sol X and Sol X Boy. This is the one I've been waiting for. Very, very happy to be speaking to you both.

Sol X Boy, this is my biggest show. I can feel it already. Your celebrity in the space. - Thank you, I am very happy to be here too. - Amazing. You know that some of your ideas have sparked real inspiration in the world of Bitcoin, and I've created a show specifically because the ideas you and your dad have come up with,

I thought, were so brilliant. Did you think that this would grow the way it's growing when you were doing your wall gaming with your dad? - Not really, it was just a game from the start. I would not think that this would exist in any world scenario.

(laughing) - Obviously, people will know who you are, but for anyone who doesn't, and anyone who hasn't heard of what it is that you've done and what you've created, it'd be really nice if you can tell us a bit about yourself, Sol X Boy.

- Well, let's start with, without, you don't have to doctor yourself if you don't want to, but can you tell us how old you are? - Almost 11. - Wow, okay, almost 11. And what sort of things do you like outside of Bitcoin?

What's your favorite things to do? - Favorite thing is science. - Ah, okay, all types of science. - Yes. - And why is that? Why do you love science so much? - Well, I like that it just explains the whole world and it just feels very fun to me and interesting.

- That's really cool. And outside of your science and your other studies, if you do something active, I guess you go outside and play and do all sorts of sports and things, do you? - Well, pedal boarding with Sol X Boy through here, yes, that I do.

- Ah, there he is, Sol X Boy. Let's hear from you as well. This is a nice father and son moment. Nice to speak to you again. - Good evening, Max. I'm just here as some emotional support and co-interviewer maybe.

(both laughing) - Yeah, exactly. And so the paddle boarding, you find places near where you are or you have to travel far? - We have a river here in the neighborhood. - Yeah, and also a lake.

- A small lake, yeah. And a bigger lake was a bit farther. That's a bit murky water, but yeah. As long as there's no techno festival going on, then we can... - Go for a party. - Yeah. (both laughing) - That's really cool.

So Sol X Boy, talk to me about the wargaming, you know? This is what this idea has come from. Is this something that you and your dad have done for a long time? - Well, long time, nah, not really.

I would say that it was like a year has passed. Not almost, not even a year has passed since we created the idea of... Actually, it was exactly before the launch of the voice paper because I was on a weekend and in that weekend that we did the first minutale,

I did interview with Dim and I think with Princey in the car, I was sitting. Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, when we were going on those hikes, well... - And you have to know that his sister had to sleep and then Sol X Boy and me, we went for a walk.

- Yeah. - And just following whatever part was in front of us, so sometimes we had to drag back because we were so deep in a discussion that we ended up in a wild trail and just got half lost. (laughs) - You got stuck in a state of flow.

- Yeah. - Yeah. - That's nice. - And that was the first time that we did it, actually. - Yeah, yeah. - And Sol X Boy, what is it that you like about the wall gaming? Like, what was it that made you interested and get lost in the woods 'cause you were so intrigued by this?

- Well, it was actually like the problem solving with all the tactics and strategies in there that Sol Xporter would make these different scenarios and I would really like to solving the problems in those worlds.

And besides science, I like history too. So I liked implying all the tactics and strategies from like the Napoleonic Wars, maybe, and how-- - Implementing. - Implementing, implementing, all those things from history.

- Okay. - Yeah, that was very remarkable. That was really, not that he says it, in the scenario where we had to free Ben Gunn from the Church of Fiat in UK. He had really, that was the first scenario, right?

- Yeah, I think that was the first thing. - Yeah. So that was the first scenario and then he really came back with how the allied forces did the learning in Normandy - Yes, the learning in Normandy, they use deception tactics.

So the Germans thought they were gonna land near, I think it was the near Belgium France border and they were gonna land at the closest point at the British Channel. But so the Germans put all their forces there, but the allies actually were going to land in Normandy because it was lightly defended.

So that he used in his strategies as well, that we would release some signals over Twitter or whatever, that we would meet then somewhere there and Ben would be then actually going on a boat on a further south, I think it was.

- Yeah. - But now he's destroyed the scenario already, so when we have this life here, we have to make sure that Ben has a secondary option, right? (laughing) It's another extraction. - So did you save Ben in this scenario?

Did it work? - Yeah, it always ends up good now. (laughing) That'd be fun as well. - Definitely. - But we did some modifications, so a solid boy also said that he needed that there would be a boat going to where we-- - Yeah, like a decoy boat, that like the British Coast Guard, or not British, the Church of Fiat Coast Guard,

or the Navy would pursue that boat, but that boat would actually just be like a party boat in disguise, and the Reno boat would be heading out to meet Ben in French waters. - Yep. - Yes, that's like the thing's farting is full.

(laughing) - It's very clever, and so-- - You've spoken to Ben a few times, haven't you? So, like, boy, I met him very recently. I was lucky enough to spend a couple of days with him, and he's a very, very cool guy.

When did you first meet him? - I-- - You speak with him? - I do not remember. It was in, I think it was the first, yeah, first you perhaps meeting that I was in. And, first impression's great.

- Yeah, especially I had to go wash his sister, I think. I had to be somewhere in the household and left the socks by alone, and he was having apparently a very deep and profound-- - Discussion.

- Discussion with Ben and somebody else. - You find that with Ben, that happens. - With Ben, it's often that he starts on a rant, and then he says, "Sorry to go off on that," and then you shake away and say, "No, no, I was just completely intrigued "by what you're telling me."

(laughing) He goes deep, he's an OG, he's a-- - Yeah, we were just jamming there. I like him, because he goes so deep on this. The one thing that I love most in life is talking. So, I don't know what-- - You're on the right show then.

Who else do you know in the Bitcoin world, and what is it that you like about it? - Well, all these people that I know in the Bitcoin world is like half of the Uplex group, I would say. Most known to me would be then Gino and Ben, I would say.

And I don't really like talking to, no, I don't really like all Bitcoin tweeters together, all that, and the whole community. I feel that I like to be in the individuality. You know, in the Uplex group, there's a small amount of people, and you can really go deep in discussions

without having too many voices going on. - You like the real connections. - Yeah. - Yeah, that's nice. The smaller communities, you get to really have real discussions and communicate properly.

That's why I like doing this show, 'cause I get to speak to people, you know, either one-on-one or a couple of people, and we just get to know each other and talk about whatever we want, and sometimes it's a bit too much on Twitter that, like you said, there's so many voices, and then there's so much being said

that nothing really gets said, if that makes sense. - Yeah, it does completely. - Actually, Solix Boi has a Twitter address, but I think you've made only one tweet ever, I think? - Yeah, and that was just a mean, I don't look at Twitter, I don't do this social media stuff, not very easy, but it's just a lot of people echoing

whatever the other people say, a lot of people just commenting on everything, I don't really care about it. I'd rather be here than in tweets. (laughs) - I love it, you're definitely ahead of the curve then.

I wish I had had the foresight that you have and never bothered with any of it, because you're right, it is most of the time it's a waste of time. Although there are some good things that come from it, I would never have met Chino or your dad or any of the other Bitcoiners probably that I spend a lot of time with if it wasn't for Twitter.

So there is definitely some good that comes from it and I've met some of my best friends through it. So I think it's hard though to switch off from it and I think maybe with some of the ideas that are happening at the moment and more close, small meetups, personal meetups, that can probably replace Twitter for most people.

It's much nicer. - I am, oh, Solid Boy has the chance or the luck that I was on Twitter to meet all those people. - Yeah, and I meet those people through you so I don't meet Twitter first.

(laughs) - But I have to say as well that I had a period that was a lot more active and now I'm again more of passive observer on Twitter. - Mm-hmm, yeah. I think that's probably the best way to be.

A lot of it is repetition and you're not learning so much. It's definitely the one on ones where you learn the most. I heard from your dad, Solid Boy, that you are getting quite into your offset and that this is important to you.

You're thinking about your privacy and your security. Can you tell me about what are you thinking there? What is that important for you? - Well, it's very important because, so no other like third party attack can use my information to their own personal game can steal my things.

It's basically just for your personal protection of everything that you own, everything that you are because then no one can steal your identity. It's just safer to be that way and it's really, well, how should I put this?

Yeah, it's, hmm, how should I put this? I don't know. I, I, damn it. I'm, I'm in a, I'm in a spiral of that spiral. Yes. - We all get them, we all get them. No, I mean, you're right. It's, it's really important.

And the fact that you're learning it at the age you are is incredible. I can only imagine what you're gonna be like and the abilities that you're gonna have as you get older and, you know, to know what you know now is really, really impressive.

It's very rare. Do you find that when you're spending time with other kids that they're thinking about the same things as you? Or, or, or that any of them are interested in their upset or interested in Bitcoin or, or wall gaming?

Or is it not, is it not the norm? - Well, some in my class in school are like tech people, internet people, but none of them are interested in Bitcoin. It's mostly just all these social media sites and things, just having at least like a VPN or something like that, having some insight,

but not really so interested in such deep things. - And you run, do you run a VPN yourself? - Yes, I do. - Actually. - What's your favorite one? - Well, you don't have to say it again for obsec, but you can if you want.

- Eh. - You can, you can say it, I don't want to say. (laughs) - But it's good. - No, that's it. - No, no, no, no, no. No, that's, that's, that's wise. And so you run a VPN, you obviously like computers.

Do you play at all with Linux or, or do you use Windows or what sort of stuff do you play around with? - Well, I use Windows, but I love tinkering around with different types of virtual machines.

I try that Windows XP, Windows 2000, different Linux distributions, like Ubuntu, Ubuntu, like version of it. I, I like trying out different OSs through such easier ways as,

and it's very fun, you can just throw it around there, see what's new, it's very interesting to see other OSs. - That's cool. The choice that you've gone for is to run Windows and then use virtual machines.

What's, what's the thinking there? You just prefer the, the feel of it? - Well, I, I just had Windows from the start. So I'm just more used to Windows. So I would rather stick to Windows and try out other OSs and then maybe later I can change then to something that I picked from my collection.

- Yeah, for to get some experience and then. - Yeah, it's a real interesting one that if I would switch from Windows, I would switch definitely to Ubuntu, that's a real, it's like, it's, it's, it actually looks nicer than Windows.

It, it doesn't have all the support, but it's really good. It's, I would say it's better Windows because it's more secure than Windows because less hackers are trying to attack it. It's very open, you can customize the round, you can program in it, it's very nice.

If I would be switching from Windows, I would be, Ubuntu, that's a real good one. - Can you do me a favor and when you do switch to send me a message and let me know because I've just ordered a laptop and Ubuntu is going on that and it sounds like you're gonna be able to help me because I'm a bit of an old man.

I don't really know how to use the technology. I'm sure you can help me when, when we run the same, we can be Ubuntu friends. - Definitely, I would love to help you. - You'll need to, that's for sure.

All right, that's cool. So outside of the computers then, when you're thinking about Bitcoin, what, what are you thinking? Like, what is it that excites you about it? Is it, is it something to do with like history of money that you, you think is interesting?

Or is it this idea of, of freedom that excites you? Like, is there, or is it literally the, the tech side where you like to dig in and play and, and work this stuff out? - I would say all of them.

- All of them, a proper Bitcoin, I like it. And so was it, was it difficult for you to learn or was it easier because maybe your dad always talks about it and won't be quiet like all of us?

- It was easier, yeah. The early hurting is remembering. - So much information out there. - Yeah. - It just blows out the head. - But I help you protect the good side of it, so. - So do you guys sit down together and like work on technical projects together then?

- Not at the moment. It's not especially, we did together. We, we put together his, the physical part of his not right. And then did most of the managing on his notes. - Yeah, you're basically the custodian now.

- Yeah, custodian of notes. - You're having to put some trust there. - Yeah, yeah. - But that's not what I think. - I think that's it. - From a father's view, I would say he's especially was tracked in via the history of money and the philosophical aspects of that.

And technicalities are way behind on that level, which is not really needed at this moment either, I think. Especially the philosophy and the history of money. Because I remember when I was talking to my father-in-law, his grandfather, I was talking about inflation

and how fiat money is getting worthless. And what did you say at the moment? Remember that? - Well, I didn't remember it explicitly, but it was something about, I think it was Richard Nixon, Richard Nixon that he put the dollar off the gold standard.

- In 1971. And I was like, "Oh my God, "I didn't know that that was the year, '71." (laughing) - And what do you think about that then? When you know what's happened, how does it make you feel?

- Happy that I have all this knowledge that I could use in the future. - What do you think about fiat? - Oh, what do I think about fiat? Well, well, hmm. - Because that was a discussion that me and your grandfather had.

- Well, garbage. (laughing) - That's very polite. Yeah, it, we think the same. That's why we're so interested. But like, is it something that you think will stay around, this garbage or do you think that Bitcoin

is gonna become bigger and that people of your age group are just gonna accept that this is the better money or like, what's your thoughts there? - Yeah, someday I think that's gonna happen but I don't think fiat's gonna completely disappear but one day I think Bitcoin will definitely take off.

- When fiat doesn't disappear but Bitcoin takes over, that means that you mean that Bitcoin would have a bigger, let's say, market share. - Yeah, then fiat. Some people would still like to use fiat and they can use fiat if they want to.

So yeah, that would be kind of a little minority that likes to trade in fiat. And then the majority of the world would use Bitcoin. - So maybe it becomes then the CBDC, the central bank digital currency and the common name will be called government coin.

Another shit coin on the list. - CBDCB, yeah. Well, so you think that it's gonna stay around but most people won't and that most people would just use Bitcoin and that would just be, it won't, do you think then it won't even be something people really think about anymore?

It's just like, that's what everyone does because why wouldn't you kind of thing? - Yeah, I wouldn't know how to answer on that. I can't tell the future and I don't think I have an opinion about it.

- Good answer. Yeah, it's difficult, none of us know obviously but sometimes like I certainly like to think about it. I like to just sit and think like, what is the world gonna look like?

I like to dream about how things could possibly be and obviously it's all guesswork but my visions that I have of the future are very, very bright and exciting. When I spend time around Bitcoiners and I see the amazing things that are being created and also meeting the people like your dad

that I get to meet and hearing the ideas he has and getting to collaborate with people like that, it makes me excited. Do you have a bright future in mind? Do you think that the world's gonna get better?

- Well, in some aspects, yes, but it's probably gonna be some sort of war thing going on. I guess it's not gonna be all, it's not all gonna be sunshine and rainbows in the world. There's probably gonna be something bad in the future

but good things, like really good things will probably happen. - And today we're talking about that fear, how did you say it again? The government won't let you destroy their being without them interfering.

On the paddleboard, we were talking about that discussion. Well, first of all, Max, it sounds like you also need a minor tell session to think about the future and possible outcomes. But no, we were on the paddleboard again, we were talking about some ideas, Solix Boyhead,

and he always refers to two violent things, in my opinion. Designing things that are interesting but two violent. - Yeah, but I told you that it's modular, you can put the stuff on it. - Yeah, I like that element about it, but yeah.

- This is a weapon for- - Yeah, yeah. - Can we talk about it or is it secret? - Yes, yes, no, no, no, so my idea, so I saw people planting trees with such drones and that we can also do. We can plant those- - You didn't explain what the- - Oh, yeah, the thing, the dangerous, the violent thing about it.

- It starts from the start, what do you want to build? - A drone. - Yes, follow. - A drone that has a gun on it, and I already made a design in my head. - Okay, so you have a drone, it has a gun, and then what you can control that from a phone or a laptop or something like that?

- Yeah, and you can take off the gun and put other things on it, such as like an arm or a motor control arm to take boxes or perhaps a tree planter or water can, to water the field or things like that that can be controlled by the mechanism that can also fire a gun.

- So it's like a multi-tool. You can do lots of things and it has different attachments. - Well, I guess that would be very useful. Maybe for your home and you could get it to do all sorts of things, but also protect.

There's lots of times where I don't want to go down and get my post or go and get the milk. It'd be quite nice to send it to do that, but also, yeah, to protect. That's a pretty cool idea.

Is that something that you like doing to design and build stuff? - Yeah, well, I didn't build it yet because I don't have anything to build with. Well, I do have tools, but I don't have anything.

Well, all I have is Lego, so I can try to make something on Lego. - You can build anything out of Lego. I'm sure you could build one of these. - Well, the Lego motor should probably not strong enough to lift that up now.

(laughing) - I like the modular idea. I think that's very cool. And it seems like drones are gonna be used more and more in all aspects of life. I don't think that's a technology that's going anywhere.

What other things are you seeing that you think are cool? Are there any other technologies where you're getting excited about them? - Ah, rockets? - Rockets. - Rockets, yeah. (laughing) - I like watching NASA and SpaceX like following their things.

It's very interesting. And actually this kind of not really personal, I would say, but one time I wanted to pursue in a career of that to maybe go to SpaceX or something like that. And one day build a rocket.

- That's amazing. That would be so cool. Yeah, you would be doing some things that almost nobody gets to do. And that would be the dream with it to build rockets and work for something like SpaceX or NASA.

- Yes, definitely. - That's very, very cool. - It's very ambitious, but that is the thing that I want to do in the future. If that still exists, if NASA and SpaceX still exist, then yeah.

Then yes, that is what I, that is the career that I would like to pursue. - Or maybe then, Blockstream, no. They have already a satellite in space, so. - That's true. - Yeah, I could build satellite.

Well, no, I could build rockets to launch their satellites. - Yeah, maybe if SpaceX isn't around, it will be a Solex Boy X. (laughing) It could be the one. - Yeah, Solex, it will be called Solex.

- Solex, yeah, I like it. - Like in Solex Boy, but also Sol as in Sun. And in a Solex Boy, the thing said with the Sol and then X, so it means Solex Boy, but also. - Without you then, Solex Boy, nice.

- I like that. Do you have any thoughts on Solor and that kind of thing? Like, what do you think about Solor? - Solor and Rachael. - Yeah, Solor and energy. Well, I think, well, it's very good for the invite.

Well, it's not. Well, when it makes power, it's good for the invitement. But when it's broken, then you have to throw it away sooner and they're not very easily recyclable. So I would say nuclear power should be better than solar power because nuclear waste, you can store deep underground.

Well, that will also kind of pollute the environment, but it's kind of better than throwing a bunch of metal and chemical garbage on the surface. - Hmm, maybe we could send it out on rockets.

You could build the rockets and we could send out all of the waste somewhere else. - Yeah, but that could also pile up in like in orbit. And it could be like Wally, the movie. Wally, well, the whole planet is encompassed by garbage on the planet's side. - The robot, isn't it, Wally?

- Yeah, yeah. - Also, you have a dirty bomb instantly if you have a rocket split, nuclear. - Waste. - Waste in. - Yeah. - That goes on. (laughing) - Maybe I hadn't thought that one through.

(laughing) - Oh, they're actually looking into different nuclear sources as well, where then depleted uranium is still a valuable resource for, because it's depleted uranium is still highly energetic and just not stable enough or something, I don't know, to be used though.

So I think also with the evolution and the fast development that humans are making, that they will find ways to even reuse that energy, especially because Bitcoin makes energy valuable. So expensive, or yeah.

So putting away energy. - With energy mining. - Yeah, yeah, I think all untapped resources become more interesting to be explored and to explore technologies within. - Yeah, so with the energy thing, I think nuclear energy would be the way to go instead of solar, because that creates a lot of waste then.

Wind makes less waste, but it's not really efficient because wind doesn't blow all the time and you still have the broken generators that you have to throw away somewhere, just like the solar panels.

So nuclear is probably the way to go. - Solar on the other hand can be interesting for decentralization of energy. Like the solar itself, the problem with solar is that it's over-subsidized.

So you have those huge solar parks that take up a big chunk of nature or grasslands and they put the fence around it. So that's already terrible for biodiversity, my personal opinion. But solar panels on a house, on a roof where nothing is otherwise, on top of a parking garage, wherever like that.

- I came up with an engineering idea. What if you would send a giant rocket-sized battery into space with solar arrays attached to it? It will fly into orbit, solar arrays deploy, then the battery will charge and once it's at at least 100%, it will use the remaining jets of CO2

to move itself to maybe like a rocket that will go there to dock with it and take it back to Earth. - You spent a lot of energy to put the heavy object into space and then back down again.

I think with that rocket fuel, you might power just as much generators as the electricity that you gain on a battery like that. - Or if you invent some sort of thing to beam it down. - There is actually an idea of putting a solar array in space that generates then electricity in a laser

where the laser or laser-like beam is being sent down as a highly concentrated energy source. - Really? You can send energy. - At the network, there were, not yet, but there were designs like that.

Or ideas like that. - Crazy. That would be so cool. - I'm gonna look it up again. Maybe I dream, dreamt it up, but I think there was something like that I saw in it. Yeah, no wonder where he gets his interest from.

(laughing) - So do you two spend a lot of time researching and doing this kind of stuff? Did you both always do this together? Or is it like a recent thing? Obviously like age-wise. - Yeah, I just do it alone.

I just research it out. Watch YouTube look up in, on Firefox and Google. - Well, you call it researching, we call it procrastinating, actually. (laughing) - I don't call it that. - Really?

- No, it's just, it's not that we're doing research, it's just very interesting. It's like people watch TV,

then it might be more interesting to look at an article or a YouTube video or whatever. And especially Sorexpoi has that when he's bored he takes... - He's tablet. - He's tablet. - And just watch his history videos, science videos, all this educational thing.

And then maybe like from time to time, maybe watch cartoon or tomb, but yeah. Mostly those science things, the next thing. And like surprisingly, the next thing, just so you know, is from a cartoon.

- Okay. - Oh really? Which cartoon? - And it was like, it was like you would not imagine that it's from that cartoon. The cartoon is called Teen Titans, and how... How could you imagine that a very, very, very kids show

would have a highly historical thing in it? - I don't know which one is Teen Titans, I can't say. - But yeah, yeah. - Can't say I've watched it recently, but that is good that it's teaching things like that 'cause it's so important.

I would say 90% of people who I would meet would not know about any of that. They wouldn't know when it was. They wouldn't know what happened. They still think that we're on a gold standard.

They still think there's gold in the vaults. They do not know, but you do. And that's the difference is you're bothering to learn about this stuff. And that's so cool because then it gets you to create the ideas that you guys are talking about.

And like as soon as I heard about this Mezhtadel thing, as soon as I heard it, I was like, that's so cool. Like that's the dream. That's how this thing has to work. It's not about building big walls and trying to go to war and all this kind of stuff.

It's like building these communities and having people collaborate and thinking how to share the load and to work together. And you're talking about solar earlier and maybe decentralizing power as in literally electricity and doing these sort of things.

And it really, it makes me excited. Like the more I think about this idea that you guys have come up with, the more I think this is the way forward. And it's really, really cool. Like I'm so glad that you guys have done it.

And I'm so glad to be doing this show because it helps hopefully push the ideas forward. And we get more and more people involved. And do you ever think SoulXBoy, this is maybe gonna change history?

It could, but really unlikely, don't you? - Well, I think the idea is very meaningful. But it are the people that put that really into practice that will make the difference. People like Ben and that growth show, they are doing what we are dreaming or thinking about.

They're the OG's. We are just, we're not even, I would say we're larping but there's not even live action on our sides. So we're just role-play gaming for now, for now, for now. But it takes time and it has to be thought out.

And I can feel it growing already. I can feel the connections between Bitcoiners and I've already experienced Bitcoiners helping each other out and pushing forward together. And there's definitely a camaraderie and there's definitely a social layer of trust and like a brotherhood that's forming.

And that's not something that I've seen before. It definitely feels like something special. And it's not just about Bitcoin, it's about something much bigger because obviously, Bitcoin is amazing but there are other tools that we need and learning how to grow our own fruit and veg and learning how to farm

and learning all these different things to do with engineering and everything else that we're gonna need is all really, really important. And so everyone has their little different niches and skills and together we're like one big organism that I feel can really do anything.

Like I really don't think anything is out of the question if we work together. - True, I feel it also in the online space but in our neighborhood I did not notice a lot of, or they're not very visible here in the neighborhood and that's what makes it far from our real life situation,

I think. And the impact of networking or how to say this.

The real life connections are needed to form the impact on the world. The networking is great and there is a lot of cool stuff happening out there. But if you don't put people together physically, that is where the real difference is gonna be made in a Mechtel situation.

- Because it's global as well. - No, no, it's local especially. The global is the momentum shifting in history but your life is taking place very locally. So if they're, actually we're talking about that today still, because solids boy is thinking so much

about violent defense against armies, for example, which I really this trying to distant courage, a revolution is not something we should wish for. - Talk about the revolution. - No, but you were talking about that state with the might attack us because we might have some Bitcoins, right?

- It was actually because they think that we can be a threat that we might stage a revolution. - Yeah, but that's why I disagree is that we're not talking any revolutionary language. We're talking only about working together, making, well, you're talking about war things.

Maybe that's why they would come. (laughing) I think no, there are, like solids boy was saying, there might be war coming or there might be trouble in the future, it's not only how do you say it's a revolutionary language.

- Like that expression, and I've heard that before. (laughing) But there might be some dark clouds ahead and that is not necessarily to do with Bitcoin versus fiat, but just the fact of hyperinflation that's in effect,

is just on the map already. - Yeah, thank you, I'm sorry. - That's all right. - Too much something. But yeah, I don't see any way out of that already. And if that happens, that has nothing to do with Bitcoin.

It's just so many elements are related to the government. And you can say, okay, all governance is bad. We don't need roads. (laughing) But going from one system to another, where the police, for example, falls away.

Yeah, now they're there, especially harassing people that don't wear masks or anything. But if there is no, I would say that the threat falls away of being arrested for doing a burglary, for example, for example, then that will be the first fight.

It won't be against a government that tries to steal your Bitcoin. It will be just protecting your home from people that think that they have the right on whatever you are protecting. And that does not have to be necessarily salts or might be just food because they really need it as well.

And in whatever form that comes, there's a whole spectrum, so it can be the neighbor that is hungry, or that can be the local mob, drug dealers that have already networked, they're already, there's already credentialed more.

It can be the police force that is not being paid anymore. They decide, okay, we form our own militia here. We have to, we protect you, but you need to pay us. That can be a government that says, okay, we're being threatened by self-suffering individuals.

We're going to break down the doors from everybody who has more than two square meters to live on. There is such a broad range. Why am I going to this track? I don't remember already. I lost my line of thought.

- Yeah, no, I get your point. I agree that's probably realistically what would happen. And yeah, it's not going to be easy. I don't think it is going to happen fast. I don't think that it is because it's not going to be a night and day switch where it's just type of bit colonization and the governments are defunded.

That's not happening anytime soon. They're obviously accelerating towards just complete chaos with the things that they're doing, but I guess the idea is that we work together to be prepared and be ready so that what we know is coming, and it will at some point, it's just a matter of time,

that we know that we already have these connections that we've thought about. Well, how do we communicate? How do we help each other? And how do we take this Mestadel theory to the next level?

And how do we make it international? Because it's like we've got a load of water between us, you and I, and we can communicate currently, but we can't sit and spend time together. And if I'm growing produce, I can't send it to you, et cetera.

And so it's like, it would be nice to have some sort of transportation networks or ways that we can get around the current system so that we have things that actually work and they're efficient, they're effective, you know?

- Yes, yes, and that also goes further than even being a Bitcoin or not, and that's what, yes, trying to get it was things happen very locally. So if she hits the fan, you will see Mestadels being created upon other incentives.

And I was talking with Solox Boy about that today as well, that you're actually gonna end up with a mesh of Mestadels or being in different networks altogether for different reasons. So you can be in a Bitcoin network, but at the same time be in your street model, I think we call it, and then in the street model

is just the incentive, the common security that protect each other. Whereas if you go further out and you need something that you don't directly have in the street, that is just mutual protection, then you use barter.

If you go even further than that, and you don't have the exact good or surface that can be barter to it, then you go to the money, which at that moment would be the most interesting set. - What a world.

- Yeah, that's the darker scenarios, but I agree, I think we're building beautiful things, or they're building beautiful things and we have beautiful thoughts on those. - What's your thoughts Solox Boy on this 3D printing stuff?

Have you given that any thought? - 3D printing, what? - Stockboxes, this is complaining or asking me all the time that I should buy a 3D printer for this. - This drone, yeah, for this drone components.

- Keep pushing Solox Boy, keep pushing. Yeah, I mean, I just wondered what your thoughts are, but it sounds like you already are interested in it. - Oh, yeah. - Well, pleating printing is efficient.

- But isn't that bloating, it's plastics. - Mm, it's true. - You can use, you can print with resin as well. - Nestle. - Yeah, but no, the reason I was asking is because, you know, if we're gonna, if we're gonna have these transportation networks and we're gonna be able to build things, it seems to me like 3D printing is a technology

that is gonna be very useful for a lot of the things we need to do. So I just wanted your thoughts on it, really. You think it's gonna keep growing? You think it's the future? - Yeah, I do, because I think, personally, that in the future, if everything will probably be automated

in like factories, so it would, 3D printers would be used in probably every type of fabrication, they would be making, I don't know, maybe, wait, what about a 3D printer for tables? They can make wooden tables for 3D prints.

That probably won't work. - I think that you're talking about the CNC machine then. - No, no, it's the key. - But they are looking into different 3D printing materials. There is already a concrete 3D printer, I think they've created the house once.

- What about metal? - That would be interesting. - That it heats the metal rod that comes in and then, like, I see, just goes with it. - Almost like a shoulder iron or something. - Yeah, and then there's, like, jets of, let's say, liquid nitrogen,

spraying on a thing, so it cools down, then it does the top layer, turns off liquid nitrogen, next layer. - Make it even cooler. You send up metal printer up in space,

which harvests off from the meteorites and then prints a new space vessel out in space, so you don't have to see it. - Oh, that's cool. Yeah, and then you can just share files. - That would not work.

That would not work. By the way, if you put in the liquid metal, it will float away. - Aye, aye. - The liquid metal will float away when you print, when you start printing, you need gravity for that.

- Good point. Good point. But the idea is there, isn't it? Like, if, so for example, I'm over in England and then, so I'll explain you design something and you say, you know, this is really cool.

I've made this and I go, oh, I want one of those. Can you send me the file? And then, I could then have that printed either with my printer or maybe there's, like, a community one because some of the bigger ones are probably pretty expensive, but you could build much, much quicker and more efficiently if you have these things.

Like, the idea of 3D printing parts of houses with the concrete ones and all that kind of stuff seems like it would be pretty cool. - Yeah. And I can share my drones to everyone. - Yep, that's true, you can actually, you can set up shop in a different continent instead of sending the file, you look for a plug

that you work with and what to work with. And then, he's assembling everything for you there, selling them and you share the profit. - Yeah, I like that. And obviously, you sell for Sats and you get some more Bitcoin.

This sounds like maybe it's a business. Maybe don't put the gun on it straight away. Let's leave that for a little bit. - Yeah, that's what Soul Explorer said that if I would start a company with that and start making those that we would sell only the useful and non-violent add-ons along with drone.

And then, if someone knows that you have a thing for it, well, you wouldn't sell it anyway. You would only make-- - You would sell the file. - For the defense of the machine. - Yeah, yeah, I'll buy one from you.

If you build one, I'll buy one. Just make sure that I can pay you on lightning and yeah, let's get it happening. I'm pretty sure you've got a business in you by the time you're 12. And you'll be having your own rockets by the time you're 15.

That's my feeling. - And my house will be burned by then. (laughing) I like it. Soul Explorer, it's been amazing to have you on. I really appreciate what you and your dad have done and bringing this idea to life.

It's cool to have you both on here together and to hear that you do these projects together and think so deeply about these things. It's really nice to hear. And I'm a big, big fan of your dad.

He's a very special man. And yeah, it is nice to see how close the two of you are. It's really cool. - Yeah. Yeah, thank you too for having me on. I really liked it. I loved it, actually.

Not liked it, but loved it. (laughing) It was perfect. - Excellent. - Favorite thing exercised, talking. (laughing) - Well, you are welcome here anytime you want. This measured our monthly wouldn't be here without you and your dad.

So anytime that you have an idea or you want to just come on and chat, you let me know. And if you get this business up and running, you can come back on and we'll tell everyone about it and get you earning some SATs, yeah?

- Yeah, great. - Cool. And SoulX as well. Thanks so much for coming on. And yeah, always a pleasure speaking to you, mate. - Thanks for having us. And thanks for all the compliments. Although I'm here again, frowning to SoulX Boy, like I don't know where this is going from.

(laughing) - Yeah, it's, no, it's really nice to speak to you again. And I look forward to the next one and to learning about whatever it is going to be learning about next. We've got any sort of ideas, but maybe before we close out, SoulX Boy, is there anything that you'd like to hear on this show?

Like, is there anything where you think that would be nice to learn about? 'Cause we've done education, we've talked about permaculture. Obviously, we talk a lot about Bitcoin, but maybe there's something else that you think would be cool to learn a bit more about.

- I don't really know. - What is needed in the mesh deal that you didn't, where you would like to have more knowledge? - Science. - Science, how about which one? - Engineering. - Engineering.

- Engineering. - Okay. - More specifically aerospace engineering. - Aerospace engineering. - Aerospace engineering. - Actually, that comes close to something I was thinking about as well, would be like alternate networks, since they were talking now about like the LNTX, but was being, he lost his VSP or something like that for a while.

So like alternatives to internet in general. Like somebody like the block stream satellite or somebody who did transactions over a wave. - Oh yeah. - I'm ready or something like that. Something like that would be interesting as well.

- That would be really good. And I think the aerospace engineering one would be cool. Like, I really would love to see these like man sized drones be possible. You know, like quadcopters or something like that and make it easy enough that you can, you know, you can control a drone from your phone.

So why can't we do that and just fly our own things? Like, can you make me one of those, Sollex boy? And I will save up my sats and buy one of those. And then I'll come and visit you guys.

We'll go paddle. - Or you know what, I'll make like a class and then you can make your own at home. (laughing) - Yeah. All right guys, thanks for coming on. Really nice to speak to you. And we'll speak soon, I'm sure.

- Thank you Max. - Thank you for having us here. Bye bye. Yeah, bye-bye.