Secret societies, sacrifice, Aliens and bitcoin with @Chief_Bitcoin

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I am in the middle of trying to figure out what country we want to move to next. Try and get a four or five months ahead of time, so to speak, and just keep ourselves. But we're kind of bored of where we're at.

And it's just not doing it for us. So we're looking around and once you, if you're not vaccinated, the world is a much smaller place now. It is. You have very limited options of where you can go, even with an American passport, without some sort of hassle, some sort of real big trouble getting there and/or staying there.

So we're looking again at Albania, which is something I never saw coming and a curve ball that life threw me, but Albania has been good to us. And we're thinking about going back. Albania being rather free and open comparatively to other European countries.

And the people there are maybe cut a little differently because they have living generations who suffered under 45 years of straight up communism, locked down the whole country for 45 years.

No one gets to listen to Elvis Presley or any of that stuff. They missed the '50s, '60s, '70s. And '80s and basically missed all of that. The cultural revolutions that came with all those times in America and the art that came along with it.

And so people were literally listening to little records in the basement of their homes and with the threats of being executed, hanging over their head if they were to be caught. So it was a different lifestyle.

But anyway, those people are different. They don't wanna wear masks. They don't wanna be told what to be done by the government anymore. So they're really, really just, they don't give a fuck.

I was over there at the height of the pandemic when it first started and they started these lockdowns where you had to text the government permission to leave the house for an hour to go shopping.

And it was really, really sudden, strict and boom. And everyone's like, you know, what's going on? This is crazy. But the difference between a mom and pop economy and an economy like you have in America where you drive around and all you see is big box stores everywhere, is you can't shut down a mom and pop economy on a dime.

The corporations behind the big box stores in America, they're gonna have top down orders. Hey, we're gonna have everybody be vaccinated or you gotta check everyone's gotta wear a mask or whatever.

And that just goes, that's it. It's systemic. You hire guards for the doors. They don't let anyone in. You can't get into Walmart if you don't wear a mask or if you have more than two people or whatever the hell, right?

These little stores and there are just, they're everywhere in Albania. You can't walk a block without seeing four or five of these little shops. And, you know, they're the size of a small room, a small bedroom and they've got, you know, everything you need in there, you know, all your toiletries and everything else,

little shopping stores and they're everywhere. So you might go to two or three different ones in your neighborhood for different things. This guy has the best produce. This guy has all this good cereals, whatever the hell you want.

You've got somebody there. Well, you can't put a police officer at the front of every one of those, right? So you can't police people being able to buy their own groceries. They're unable to do that.

Same thing goes for restaurants, goes for cafes. I saw cafes when they were shut down. They boarded up all their windows with cardboard and then they opened up the back door and they were serving coffee out, the back door to people who would then walk across the street and sit down on a bench or whatever,

across from the coffee shop and talk. So it was like the coffee shop was open except you just couldn't go inside the coffee shop. And so they find ways around it because you have to, right?

- I love that. They can still remember what it's like when government goes way too far. Like you said, they are built differently and that's why we see in the West in America and the UK where things have been very fucking easy for a long time and the governments have taken the piss but not really on the surface level.

Like you feel like you have your freedoms. You feel like you make choices. They are the people who love this and they're secure and they're comfy and they get paid to stay at home, especially the middle class and it's a very, very different story.

So I'm not surprised you're looking somewhere like that. It sounds much more interesting to me. I'd love to know like, why are you moving? Oh, I don't want to dox you too much. I think you said before where you were but where you currently are.

What's the reason for moving just literally boredom or are you finding that to be a little bit less free than you maybe thought it would be? Well, eventually we'll have to leave because in Mexico they have clamped down on the 180 day visas.

So people are coming in, they just leave, they renew the 180 days and they come back and they just live in Mexico basically without residency and they're putting a kabosh on that. So now people are coming across the border expecting 180 days, having return tickets, everything set up, they're going to go,

stay with their friends or whatever for six months and they're getting to the border and being told, no, you only have seven days or 15 days or 30 days or 90 days. And so the same is happening kind of world over.

Visas are changing. So it's get shrinking even smaller than it was a few months ago where Mexico was still on the table, being relatively open. But these pressures seem to be affecting everything, money talks, right?

And these governments are being paid lots and lots of money. The people in the governments, nothing's changed there. Pfizer's going backdoor deals. The American government does backdoor deals with all kinds of different countries including Albania where if you walk into a Albanian immigration center,

you can see all of the computers and equipment. It says donated by the United States Embassy or government or something like that on all. There's a sticker on them so that you know that this came from America.

And so therefore Albania is beholden to America for this. It's real virtue signaling meta-level like look at us, we're America, we give you computer things, you are a friend, you will do what we say.

- Nothing is free in this world. - No, they were just doing military drills off the coast there with Albanian military. So they obviously are using Albania as a strategic port. It's sitting right there on the sea and right across from Italy.

And it's already actually got war infrastructure to some extent. I don't know if you know anything about Albania. Most people don't, I didn't before I went there. - I don't really if I'm honest.

We have quite a lot of Albanians who have come to the UK. I don't really have any knowledge on the country. I've never actually been anywhere near or any of the eastern block really to be honest.

I've only traveled at a small amount and like close to the UK or gone far abroad. Don't know why, just I guess it just never really appealed to me because I was like, whenever I had a bit of time where I was like, I can get a week away.

I want to go somewhere really hot. So I would try and get someone with sunshine. - You got lots of fog and cold, huh? So yeah, it's fucking freezing here at the moment. - And you don't really know until you're in the fog what that's like.

I've felt different types of cold now that I've traveled around the world and there is different types of cold for sure. It's but the fog cold is cold. You want to wear layers for that? You see that show, I watch that Scottish comedy show, Still Game, have you ever seen that show?

- I know the name, but I don't think I've watched it. - That's great. Two old guys, retirement comedy type of thing in Scotland. And they constantly in the show reference how miserable it is, how cold you are all the time and how the pensioners have to make a choice between how many bars on their little electric heaters

they're willing to pay for. So it's true, it will switch it on to three bars, you know. We'll just, let's just spend it. But so, you know, I think a lot of people in the UK and in America, they've been living in a bubble, like you said forever, right?

You know, America may be a little bit more so. Post World War II, then England, England, having maybe a little bit of rougher time of it 'cause they don't have the reserve currency, you know, letting them print whatever they want to.

But not that they don't. It's just, they can't print as much, right? But I've, they seem bubbles may mean you don't know what the rest of the world is like. And you don't know, you think you're free and you think you've got all of these things at the tip of your fingers.

And that's the illusion, right? The illusion that you're free, that you can go do what you want, that you have this passport that lets you leave the plantation, but the plantation owners got a trick up its sleeve.

The plantation owner says, well, even if you leave the plantation, you still have to worry about taxes. You still have to worry about, we've got this leash on you, kind of, you know what I mean?

So I'm not sure what the UK passport is like, but America kind of follows you around on the globe and makes sure that the banks report on you and things and makes it difficult for you to live your life outside of the American war machine.

Yeah, I think actually America's the worst for that. I think we have it a bit easier, but if you go to some of the sort of Blacklist tax countries and you decide to set up there, I think they make things very, very difficult for you.

If you ever want to come back and they do have certain rules like, you know, you can't spend, I think it's 180 days, you can't come back any more than that amount otherwise you pay all the taxes and bits and pieces.

'Cause it's something that I've been looking into more and more recently is to get out of the UK. It's a little bit difficult with a family and if it's just me, I'd have been gone, you know, a couple of years ago, right at the beginning of this pandemic bullshit, I'd have been like, "No, fuck this, I'm off."

So we are looking, but you know, like you said, the world has got smaller and sometimes, you know, better the devil, you know. The UK certainly isn't the best place in the world, but as far as freedoms go, it isn't the worst.

I know the lay of the land, I know a lot of people, I know how to get round things. If I suddenly up and leave and I go to, I mean, we were looking at parts of the Caribbean with these special passports and bits and pieces and it's very favorable tax-wise and all the rest of it, lovely weather and all of that,

but you know, shit really hits the fan. I don't think that that is gonna be a great place to be freedom-wise. And then, you know, where else is there? Europe's fucked, as far as I can see, almost of it.

That's, I think, worse than the UK, most places. I've got family over in France, got family over in Spain, it's fucked. It's so fucked. - All of the EU is basically fucked, yeah. And of course, the EU is part of that problem, right?

So it gives them tentacles over most of Europe. And you have these other little countries, like Albania, who want to be part of the EU. And when I say countries, I mean, the people who run the countries.

I don't mean the people in the countries, necessarily. But the people who run the countries, that's like another gravy train, right? If I join the EU, I'm gonna be part of all the bribe systems.

So I will have somewhere to go and be rich and safe and powerful, regardless of, you know, what happens to everybody else in the country, as long as I'm in that club. So it's just kind of like getting an pass to the inner circle of the club, if you become part of the EU for the upper elites

and the upper echelons of any country in the European block. And that does not help, does obviously, does not help. The little guy, the EU is incredibly oppressive in terms of, you know, what a state can and can't do.

It says, hey, you're sovereign still, everything's cool. But in reality, it's just nothing but top-down pressure from unelected bureaucrats saying, you know, here's what we're gonna do. And you guys are just gonna eat it, or you're gonna have to go through the incredibly difficult and time-consuming and expensive process

of leaving the club, like the UK, right? So, and now you're outside the club. So you've got to deal with the club in a different way. But, you know, it's like if a state left the federal government in the United States, what would that look like with trade and everything else?

- What a mess. - Well, they're gonna bully 'cause they're the bigger bullies. But it's funny because before all the COVID hysteria, which is now the only thing any person in the UK can really talk about, before that, we had years and years of Brexit.

And it was all anyone could talk about. And it was such a divisive subject, even though in 99% of the communications between people, neither of them had a fucking clue what they were talking about.

And they were just shouting little phrases, like we were talking about before, things that they don't understand, their programme to say, and they're just, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, just fucking fighting at the time.

And I didn't really know what I was doing. I was one of the people who said, nah, let's just fucking leave. I've had enough of this bullshit, you know? And it literally came down to, not that I really understood it, just it came down to saying, I feel like there's more and more legislation.

I feel like everything's fucking more annoying for running businesses and with property and with everything. I just felt like a constant ratcheting and pressure of just like, why is everything that fucking changes?

It's just my life's harder. Like as an individual, my life is just harder every fucking year. I was just like, well, let's just change something. I mean, let's just, it's definitely going the wrong direction.

So let's just fucking change something. So I said, okay, well, we'll vote out. I think that's the last vote I ever did, actually. And it caused so much drama, but now we're sort of years since it's happened.

I don't really know what's changed. I don't really, I don't really see that much change other than now with all of this COVID stuff. Like it does maybe feel like we are a bit more free. Generally we are pretty much like walking around without masks.

They've just walked back this whole mandate on all the doctors and everything in the NHS. And so I'm feeling like, yeah, you know, I don't know whether that's Brexit or I don't know what it is, but I'm certainly more happy being here than in France or in Spain or most of the other countries in Europe.

- Right. I mean, you're seeing straight up orders coming down and people following them in mass sort of formation across governments right now, right? You see, and then you see like the UK where things are walking back the other direction.

So there's weird situation kind of where you see reminds me of those rivers where you have salt water from the ocean coming up, up the river. And then you have fresh water coming down the river and they sort of mix at one point and the two tides are sort of fighting with each other.

And that seems to kind of what's happening. You've got some people walking back one way, others trying to push forward and keep with the mandates and everything, you've got Austria, Germany.

And that seems to be going with how brainwashed the populace is, how easily you can cow them and get them to do what you want. And you can see in places, I'll say Albania again because it's one of the, it's a really good reference.

Very early in, I saw the people just refusing to wear masks. This is when everybody was, you know, didn't know what was happening. We didn't know if there was a real virus killing everybody, if we were all gonna drop dead.

But the old people just walked down the street and you can tell they're old, come from communist times because they wear these suits that everybody wore. In communism, you don't get a lot of fashion, right?

All the men have these sort of suits, all the women have these sort of dresses and that's how things work. And so you see them wearing their, you know, old style clothes just walking down the street, no masks, they're on the bus, leave me alone, don't even look at me.

Police were getting on the bus taking pictures of everybody. But with the old people, they kind of just leave them alone. They just, you just don't touch these people. These people lived through it all.

And if they say fuck you, there's nothing you can do about it. They are not going to bend on anything. The middle guys, the guys who were kids when during communism and, you know, then it ended and they sort of became adults, those, they're kind of in between.

Some will wear masks, some won't, still really uppity a lot of big, you know, backbones in that group. Then I taught the high schoolers. You see the generation that's grown up in nothing but soy, right?

Just, they grew up literally toward, right after a civil war where the government had screwed over the people again and grew up in the best times Albania has seen in a century, basically.

And they don't know what their grandparents and parents really went through. And I know that because on the first assignment that I gave them was to go interview their parents, grandparents about communism and find out what was different than to now, do the grandparents think, you know, times are better now than they were then.

And you would be surprised by the answers. A lot of people from communism wish there still was communism because communism provided a sort of a sense of, this is what life is, this is the way life is.

And there's no uncertainty. You're gonna get up tomorrow, you're gonna go to work. At the end of the month, you're gonna go to the place where you get all the food given to hand it out to you and you're gonna get your rations.

And you're just gonna try and make your way. And that was it. And it was very, you know, clean and orderly, they said. Clean, no dirt on the streets, no, or no trash, none of that stuff, no drugs, none of that stuff.

No, nothing, chest, work. And what joy you could find in your household. And friends were a few and far between because friends were a burden, a danger. If a friend needed something, you didn't have much to give them.

If a friend needed something and you had a secret on you, they might turn you in to get some extra bread or food for their family. So different times, and that creates different people, right?

That creates hard people, that creates stubborn people, that creates, you know, all kinds of things about people. Not all positives either. It creates also people, maybe, who are a little damaged in the brain when it comes to what we would consider normal.

They can't see it as normal. They don't, they can't jive with the current generation.

Freedom is surprising. Freedoms are taken for granted now. They weren't taken for granted before, so they see these young kids running around, you know, doing all these stupid things and not being really super grateful about what they have.

And I can imagine that being frustrating because one generation, two generations, and forgotten, right? Sorry, grandma, we really don't care that you went through most of your life under, you know, a dictator that might kill you if you listen to an Elvis record.

You know, sorry, we have no interest in that. I'm on YouTube right now, don't bother me. So, it's a sad sad place to be, but it's a cycle that seems maybe that until technology has solved all of our problems and, you know, economically, and we are going to continually see.

We're going to see cycles of this where stupid things are done. We have to correct the stupid things. Good times come after that. Everybody's doing great, and that's the tough guys go away.

The soy boys come up, and the next thing you know, we've got a bunch of soy men trying to figure out how to fix the, what do you, what would you call it? The orgy of consumerism that has blinded us to, you know, what matters in life.

Yeah, it certainly seems there is a cycle. I read a book a couple of years ago on that, which was, you know, around this, like, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create bad times, blah, blah, blah.

And it was very like America-centric. I can't remember what it was called now, but it went all the way back, like, through history. And it basically just shows, it's like, it's the same as these debt cycles.

It's the same thing. It's just these long patterns, these cycles it goes through, like spring, summer, autumn, winter. It seems like it's built into our nature. And it makes sense, 'cause it's like, well, if you have got a really fucking easy life, and you haven't got to worry about food and shelter,

and someone killing you for listening to an Elvis record, and you haven't got to worry about most things, and you've got a phone, and you've got heating, and it's pretty fucking easy. And then it's like, well, what do you do with your time?

Unless you're particularly wise or guided well, you're probably going to waste most of it, and you're probably going to be soft. You're probably going to be soy. And the culture, it seems, this gets more into the conspiracy side of things, but it seems as though someone or a few people are sort of guiding the way that the world is going,

and trying to change people into weak and soft, and soy, I don't know, like, I do feel sorry for, although, yeah, they are weak and soy and soft, and it fucking winds me up. I do think what chance do they have?

Like, especially when the parents are just so busy all the time, like, they're just working, trying to survive, like, so that they can put their heating up another bar like we're talking about, and it's like, well, how much time are they getting with these kids?

And then they're in these institutions from, like, three years old, repeating, like, sat in a room repeating what they're told by a teacher who's told what to say, by a board of examiners who are told what to say by God knows who, and it just seems like a factory.

And then they go off to university, possibly, and they get themselves in there, and they learn what they're told by someone who tells them what to tell the kids, and it's like, I speak to university kids, they know a lot about certain subjects, and they can repeat things, but they seem pretty fucking basic in other parts of life.

Like, they don't seem to have their own opinions on a lot of stuff, and, like, when you start to scratch beneath the surface, like, these people I love, like, family members who are very smart, but, you know, they'll state things, and I'll say, I'll say, like, well, why do you think that?

Like, you know, I dig a bit deeper, like, I question things, and it doesn't take that long before you can see, they're like, well, I don't actually fucking know. I just know that I know, but I don't know what I know, or how I know it.

- I was just talking about this with my, with my, my significant other. She, anyway, we've experienced the same thing, and it's gotten worse over the last couple of years. It's, it's kind of acted like a, I don't know, a reveal who is really susceptible to this, and who is not in your life type of situation,

where, you know, you have, you have other things like, you know, Brexit, or whatever. But this one, this one's, this way clearer, because this is not like, well, I disagree with you. This is, if you don't agree with me, you belong in a camp-type level, you know, stuff.

- Yeah, yeah. - So they've really, really gone. Like, you know, we talked about last time. Hail Mary's sort of, let's see what we can do with the divide and conquer scenario. Let's see how far we can push this, and see what will work and what won't.

And so they did all the little research they could. They took all the polls, they pushed all the, the little simulation buttons and ran the simulations, and they said, okay, this is our best shot, let's do this.

And it's back-firing in their faces. And I've got the sense that they speeded it up because of, you know, Bitcoin, and the very hastening destruction of the fiat money supply and the system, the world system, financial system, it's collapsing.

So they had to do something to try and sort of keep control. They had a couple of choices between, you know, jubilee, worldwide jubilee, and debt forgiveness. And now let's do, let's just go authoritarian and clamp down and go back to sort of a lords and serf situation.

And maybe, you know, you can say communism, you could say fascism, you know, whether the corporate, it looks to me like the corporations are married, married to the state to some extent, but not completely.

So you can't really say it's full on fascism yet in all places. It's also not full on communism in all places, right? There still is private industry. You don't have the state controlling every single little thing.

They're having trouble controlling every single little thing, actually, and the Canadians have proven that. If they have people stand up, you take away all that control immediately. It just goes away, goes out the window instantaneously.

It's over, the same day that you do it. So, you know, they're showing the world what a small percentage of Canadians can do. Imagine what a large percentage of Canadians could do if they were all unified.

So all eyes on Canada right now, kind of, and they have two choices. They can, you know, negotiate and sort of roll back some of the authoritarianism and relinquish a little bit of power to the people, or they cannot do that.

They can go the opposite direction. So the question is, why would Justin Trudeau and his cabinets and seeing the writing on the wall, seeing how bad this looks internationally, seeing how this is affecting the economy, this is, you know, possibly a generation of people who will never trust government again,

who will never trust medical science again, why would you double down on something like that, knowing the political capital you're having to spend? So there's obviously something else going on with these young leaders who are saying these things, doing these things, you know, Austria, of all places.

Australia must have a good PR system, right? They must have some people in the government who are like, hey guys, maybe we shouldn't be pushing this, you know, unvaccinated people are going to kill us all, sort of narrative and dividing the people this strongly where they're getting messages on the windows of shops

saying don't sell to unvaccinated people. - It's so fast. - It's certainly all over again, right? - But it's the university people that love it in my experience. - Every time, every time.

- They've ramped things up and it's fun, well, it's not funny, but there seem to be certain topics that anyone who's gone to these universities tend to latch onto with climate change to the point where it's just literally not enjoyable to have a conversation about anything because everything goes back to you're killing the planet,

but it's always an attack. So that's one of them. One of them is everything's racist. The way I slice my bread is fucking racist because someone in the past slice their bread like that and then that's oppressing a minority and how dare, so that's that one.

And it's really frustrating because they really obviously believe that. And then the other one is all men are bad. All men are bad. We're all oppressing. We all hate women. We're all rapists.

We don't produce anything good for society. Women should control everything. There is no physical difference between men and women. There is no differences other than the good ones. So you're allowed to say things like, oh, women are better at multitasking and women generally have more empathy and women tend to be better with children.

And you could say things like that, but if I was to say, well, yeah, sure, like I don't disagree, like they probably do have more empathy, but they're probably not generally as good or interested in engineering.

And so the way I look at it is like they're these little boxes which they're shoehorned into and they do not benefit those individuals because all they're doing is fighting with everyone all the time and feeling really oppressed and angry and sad.

And so I don't get anything done. And then it's like, well, who is it benefiting? And that's where I'm looking and I'm thinking, well, getting angry about racism all the time and crying about it isn't actually helping anyone.

Like, that's not fucking doing anything. Getting angry at men is like, and that's not helping anyone. And doing the whole climate change thing all the time, but while tweeting about it on your fucking iPhone sat with the heating up is not doing anything.

So who's pushing these ideas and why? And the only thing I can come up with is let's just separate everyone and make everyone angry and everyone hate on another and see that all humans are bad.

All humans are bad and I'm bad because they all feel guilty. They feel guilty about, oh, I'm changing the climate. I'm a bad person. I don't want to have children. I don't want to have children because it's going to destroy the planet.

It's so bad, it's selfish to have children. It's really selfish and I feel bad because my ancestors were meanies and then so I'm bad. And so now I have to spend the rest of my life groveling because something that my great, great, great, great, grandparents might have done.

It seems like it's affecting them mentally, making them think lesser of themselves, humanity and everyone around them. And that's kind of what I'd want if I want to take over the world, if I want to have complete control and make people do what I want and not fight back.

That's probably what I would do. And so it does feel like it's a very, very clever program. - Yeah, yeah. There's lots of, that's deep rabbit hole stuff who's pulling the strings at the very top.

Is it aliens? Are they so smart that they can pre-plan this stuff decades in advance with their AI systems and see what the outcomes are going to be kind of like in Dr. Strange and the Avengers movie.

He looks through all the millions and millions of possibilities and says, okay, this is the only one that worked. And maybe, so is it that or is it just some guys who will get together and they wear robes and they sacrifice a prostitute or a baby now and then, but basically they're just dudes who get together

and try and figure out how to keep the gravy train rolling in so that they can continue to sacrifice a prostitute or a baby now in their mansion, kind of like that old Kubrick movie, Eyes Wide Shut, you know, you got weird shit going on behind the scenes, the Illuminati, the Skull and Bones Club, all these rich assholes up in ivory towers

with nothing to do, but metal with the chessboard. Sort of a Greek god sort of thing, but here on earth with flawed human beings. And that seems to be in a lot of ways what's happening because these plans aren't perfect, right?

They have huge holes in them and people are poking holes in them in various ways, truckers for Christ's sake are poking holes in them. And then you got things like Bitcoin that poke big, gigantic, un-operable holes in them.

And that gives you some hope, okay, well, the aliens didn't see a Bitcoin coming, right? The aliens didn't stop Bitcoin, they had a decade. They could have stopped Bitcoin in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, and it probably would have worked, right?

They could have just, I don't know about 2014, even then the network was huge. But before that, 2011, yeah, the early days they could have just brute forced that thing over and over again, and that would have been the hit for Bitcoin, but they didn't.

And that tells you something. It tells you one of two things, either they want Bitcoin to happen, if these aliens or these very intelligent people exist, or they don't, didn't realize that Bitcoin happened.

They didn't realize that there was a tool now that could stop them, or they just never really realized that it could grow the way it did, they just dismissed it. And that seems kind of unlikely to me if they're the most intelligent people and on the planet organizing and planning.

Do you think they'd really pay attention to Bitcoin the moment it blipped on their radar and said, "Uh-uh, no, we know about these things. "We gotta make sure that we kabosh this, "because once this cack gets out of the bag, "can't put it back in."

So they would know that, and they would say, "No, no, we're gonna shut this down," but they didn't do that. So that gives me some hope right there, that they are not infallible. They are not these godly-like beings who can just pull strings and we can't get out of the trap.

It seems like we can get out of the trap. The trap is imperfect, but it is a trap. They are trying very hard to control everybody, which just seems crazy, right? Control the whole world, who would try and do such a thing?

What an insane thing, the world is chaos. Why would you even try and control chaos? And yet, here we are. So, hopefully this is kind of the thing that has to happen, because think about it, if we were all soy, if everything was so great, it would be kind of probably pretty slow progress, right?

We wouldn't get the quantum leap evolution of Bitcoin. We wouldn't need it, so maybe it wouldn't have been created and therefore, we wouldn't quantum leap into this sort of new money paradigm, new evolutionary period of human technology.

So these things have to happen, right? You can't have yin without yang. You have to have these assholes always pushing you to be better or else you won't be better, you'll just be stagnant.

So without Gargamel, the Smurfs are going to forget how good they have it. You've got to have Gargamel to remember that, yeah, hey guys, this Christmas let's be thankful for what we have, because there's some asshole out there trying to take it away from us, which there is absolutely is all the time.

Yeah. Yeah. relation alone is taking away, you know, and people don't even know that, right? So, which is the other side of that coin, you have to have kind of a cow-like, sheep-like populace in order to treat them like a cow or sheep-like populace.

The moment you empower all those sheep and cows to think, the minute they stop being sheep and cows and they become something else. And you can't have that, you know, that's dangerous if you're trying to run a farm.

It's a lot of trouble and your job as a running a farm is to keep all of those sheep and cows as healthy and docile as possible. And now we've got this situation where the farm is collapsing, basically.

And, you know, the farm system isn't working to feed the farmer as it once was. The sheep are getting a little uppity, the cows are getting a little uppity. Some holes in the fences are developing, you know?

People are realizing there's, maybe we shouldn't, this isn't the beautiful, wonderful place to live that we thought it was. They're starting to realize that there are slaughterhouses in this world and, you know, eyes are opening.

And that's their fault, they did that, right? They pushed the buttons to open up the eyes. So, without that, maybe would have just gone on, thinking Russia was the cause of all of our problems.

I don't know. Yeah, it does seem like a lot of it is rushed. There are a couple of inconsistencies that I do think there's like a cabal of people. I think that's pretty logical to think that it would be something along those lines.

But one thing I'm thinking is like, if you have all the power, other than if we take Bitcoin off the table because that makes them rush. But if you have all the power and you can print endless money and you can basically do what you want and you've got the biggest stick in the armies and everything else and everyone's going off to work

and paying their taxes and you're keeping them busy, I don't really understand this push to depopulate. And it does seem that that is something that they're pushing for because if I had a fucking huge farm, which is the world, and I have loads of cattle and loads of people working for me,

loads of animals working for me and producing shit for me and doing things for me, I don't know why I'd want to do a mass cull. Like that's the bit where I'm other than, am I just a complete fucking psychopath and I'm getting off on it?

Do you know what I mean? Like can you get your head around that? - So have you heard of the Georgia Guidestones? - No. - No, so Georgia Guidestones are in the United States in Georgia, I can't remember the town that they're in.

Somebody paid anonymously a lawyer to hire people to create and place this little Stonehenge installation that has these guiding principles for humanity on them. And the first guiding principle, I think it was number one, was to keep the population of humanity

at about 500 million, which is equilibrium with nature, according to whoever created the Georgia Guidestones. These are big marble, I mean, look them up when we're done here, big marble pillars that somebody paid for to have erected with all of these really weird guiding principles on them, one of which is to depopulate the planet by,

most of the people on the planet would be dead. And so these appeared and people-- - Oh, I'm just sorry, interest. I'm just looking at them now. They're pretty fucking impressive, these things.

- Yeah, it's not like a tiny little thing, it's they're big, somebody paid some money to have those carved supplies. - Yeah. - And put up there. And it's still kind of a mystery, I think, of exactly who that was.

There's some theories and stuff. But why would you do that? Why would you feel it was so fucking important to put that out there so that people could see it and think about it? And so it's, if you pay attention, if you go down the rabbit holes and you read the news, old goddamn day like I do and you watch for the signals,

kind of like this heart attack thing. Oh, making your bed might cause you a heart attack. Being in the snow-- - Climate change. - Climate change is gonna give you a heart attack, watching the wrong TV show is gonna give you a heart attack.

Everything except vaccination is gonna give you a heart attack. - Well, you can see that what they're doing, right? They're trying to prepare people for all the heart attacks that are coming.

So the same thing with this HIV thing that's over the last few days, the signal is out there, right? Go get tested to see if you have AIDS now. Go see if you go get an HIV test. Well, why the fuck would Prince Harry come on and say, "Hey everybody, you need to start worrying about HIV again."

Go get an HIV test along with your COVID test. Well, that's really weird. Why would he do that? - Well, it just so happens that they're developing an mRNA HIV vaccine. Wow, what a coincidence.

So obviously, this is like a cycle of control, right? Oh, here's the next thing, HIV. Sorry, maybe these vaccines had a little leak in them or something and people got AIDS now. Now you gotta get the AIDS vaccine.

I'm sorry, you can't come in this store 'cause you might have AIDS. So why give up a good thing? I mean, if it works the first time, why not do it a second time? Because you have no other stuff in your pocket besides the old dog new trick situation where you've got no new tricks.

It's all old stuff, like war and the next threat. Maybe it'll be, we already did terrorism. That's out the window. War is kind of old news. People are tired of war. There's gotta be a really good reason and there really isn't a good reason.

So we've gotta try and make 'em up, but people are used to that now. So they're like, okay, yeah, there's a few weirdos shooting people in Ukraine, but that's not reason to go to war with Russia.

Come on. So people have gotten used to all the tricks to some extent. The pandemic one, that's somewhat new. They've never pushed that hard on a pandemic before. You have the 70s, you have the swine flu.

Every four years or so, you get something, Ebola, H1N1, whatever. And it's like they try, but it doesn't catch. It doesn't go viral. People don't fear it enough. But this time, no, no, this time, we're gonna start you with it's China, right?

A, it's China, it's out in the middle of fuckin' nowhere. So if you're from the West, China's like this mythological place where stuff happens that you don't quite comprehend. You're not sure how people live there.

You don't even know. You don't know nothing about China besides that they have Chinese people and Chinese food. You know, you don't know nothing about China. It's communist. I know it's communist, communism bad, all this stuff, and then you get the news.

Okay, the social credit scores. You see people in all the COVID gear, people dropping dead in the streets, going viral all of a sudden, and everyone's looking on their phones like, "Holy shit, are we all gonna start dropping dead "in the streets?"

You know, I mean, wow, just that alone, looking back on it was such a scam, you know? And we know for a fact that that's not how it works and that's not what was really taking place until after the vaccines.

And then people were dropping dead and are dropping dead. But literally dropping, hitting the floor on soccer pitches and everywhere else. - It's really, it's really scary. Did you see that stat, the stat the other day?

I haven't verified it, so if this is wrong, someone can tell me, and tell me to shut up, but 40% increase on life insurance policies for 25 to 49 year olds, 40% increase in death. - In one year.

- Yeah, unexpected sort of death in that age group. Life insurance companies, you can't hide it, right? That's the thing, that's their business. The math is going to play out one way or the other, and so you're going to see the signal come straight out of the prices from the life insurance companies, can't ignore it.

It's pure numbers, right? That's the thing about that, they're soulless people. That's what they say. That's what all the movies show us. Life insurance guys are soulless people, math machines.

They don't care about you, it's just all the program, what's the risk? And so they took that to court, somebody had pulled out a nice, big fat, life insurance policy for their family, and then they went and got vaccinated, and they died from the vaccine.

And the family went to go collect the life insurance, and the life insurance company took them to court, and said to the court, this guy took a vaccine knowing full well it might kill him, therefore it's very much like suicide, therefore we should not have to pay this money, and the judge agreed with them, with the life insurance company,

and said you don't have to pay. So basically, as far as life insurance is concerned, taking the vaccine is suicide. So don't think you're going to get your family a payday by going and getting a bunch of booster shots and hoping it takes your life.

- They're onto that scam already. - Fuck, well so with that said, if we're saying, well, if we're saying like, okay, you've got a 40% increase in people dying within that age bracket, yeah, there are other external factors, and it doesn't have to be completely down to the vaccines, but it just so happens to coincide with the time

that they're going into people, and then you've got insurance companies not paying out because of it, you've got these Georgia guide stones saying, okay, we want to get to five, was it 500 million, or whatever it was, you said?

- Yeah, I put a million. - And what are we like eight billion people-ish, they're all thereabouts, I mean, so. - We've got some work to do. - Yeah, they've got some work to do. - Trying to put all those pieces together, are they actually trying to depopulate the planet?

Is what, a lot of the rabbit hole people are trying to figure out, is this actually a depopulation event? And so, if this does give you AIDS, if these things do destroy your immune system to the point where a flu can kill you, then that would be a really, really good depopulation mechanism, right, it'd be perfect,

because maybe you die a year from now, maybe you die five years from now, maybe you die 10 years from now. 10 years, maybe we've forgotten about the vaccine, and that it might give you HIV, and that's might would have killed you over time.

But, so that would be ideal, right? We can just slowly kind of get rid of people, but the only thing that the catch is, we absolutely have to get the shots into the arms or it won't work, and we have to repeatedly put the shots in their arms.

And we have to be careful, because we can't just make all of the vaccines kill you. If we did that, everyone would start dying, and everyone would be onto us and know what's happening. So instead, let's just have a few batches, every round, let's put some batches out there that do put the stuff in you that will kill you.

And hopefully, if it works, that might even be able to be passed on genetically, so you have a weaker immune system, and so your family line is fucked. And you're going to die out faster than the rest of the people who didn't take the vaccines.

And I'm sure they've got, if that's the plan, then they have other nefarious things. And I got to mention, this is something that, if you're into rabbit holes, if you're into conspiracy theories, you will notice something pretty quickly.

These pieces of shit at the top, whoever the fuck they are, these pieces of shit like to rub your fucking nose at it, they really like it, they love it, they get off on it, they like to come on the news and say what they're going to do, basically, before they do it, so that it's kind of like, look what we can get away with.

Look what we can do. - Serial killers like to leave little clues. - Absolutely, why would it be any different? Why would we think it's any different for the people at the top than it is for these serial killers at the bottom?

Same psychology, same human beings, same makeup, same brain, same flaws, and it just so happens, they've got lots of money, that's about it. Power and money, just corrupts the hell out of people.

It's true, and you can give, all the experiments show it, you know, give a little few college students some power over some other college students, and they'll start treating them like animals, right?

We've seen it with COVID, it's like the world proof experiment. Can human beings be programmed to hate other people? Yes they can, here's how easy it is, right? All you gotta do is sit 'em in front of a fucking brainwash box for several hours a day, that's all you gotta do.

And if they will willingly do it, wow, I mean, how great is that, right? They'll willingly go sit in front of the box for several hours a day, for their hypnosis session. And I keep trying to explain people to this, that, you know, in the terms of, if you went to a therapist for three hours a day, and that therapist, you didn't talk,

you were quiet the whole time, and the therapist just talked at you, and it said the same things to you, three hours a day, every damn day you went in there. Would that affect your thinking?

Of course, yeah. And now add hypnosis into that. Now take away the therapist and add it, and instead say, now you're in a hypnotist chair, and they're hypnotizing you for three hours a day, will that change your thinking?

Will that change how you act? Of course it's going to change how you act. So that mass formation thing, that's how they do it. They do it through dissemination of narratives, they control it just like a story, as to how we get children to do what we want them to do, and that's how they get us to do what they want us to do.

Children don't go in the woods, the big bad wolf will get you. That's the story for the woods, right? The murderer, the yappa hoodie, whatever you want to call it, whatever your local legend is, stay out of the woods.

Woods are dangerous. And the same thing is given to us, stay away from the unvaccinated people, they're dangerous, whatever. And just repeat it again and again and again, and it sticks. And only the people who realize that repetitive narratives are meant to do something, are meant to control people, realize what's happening basically.

You have to know, or suspect at least, that this is a real thing, and this is, we're not just in this organic sort of thing, we are in a structured society that is structured by certain people in a certain way, controlled, planned, and the money seems to go one way, right?

And it's not down. So that's trickle up economics, that they tell you, they call it trickle down economics, when it's trickle up economics, they call it tell you it's the freedom bill, when it's the tyranny bill, and then, but they like to give you little hints.

So when the Georgia guide stones pop up, you should listen. That's my opinion. Somebody somewhere thought that was important enough to actually anonymously do, and it's still there, that hasn't been torn down or anything.

So as far as that stuff goes, yeah, we've got some people controlling the planet to the extent that they can control it, and then you've got places like Albania, little towns, little mom and pop towns, who grow their own food, they've got, you know, their own produce, they've got water, clean water, and if the world goes to shit,

guess what they'll do? They'll just buckle down in their little, you know, houses of huts, and they'll grow food, and they'll do the exact same things they did when they were under the oppression of communism, and they'll survive and eventually win, and communism will fall, because the people who are trying to keep the playground

open to some extent for themselves to play in, they don't have the ability, I don't think, to control everything, Bitcoin is proof of that, proof positive, I mean, you can't argue with the fact that if people are controlling everything, then Bitcoin is a huge monkey wrench in their plans, unless they have some sort of key to Bitcoin

we don't know about, right, that this is what the other guys like to say, the non-Bitcoiners, the normy conspiracy theorists, they say, no, no, no, Bitcoin is controlled by the CIA or whatever, and one day they're gonna pull the rug out from under you, and you're going to be stuck with all your wealth

and this thing that they can completely control, and all that really tells me is these people don't understand Bitcoin, so they haven't looked at Bitcoin close enough. - Sure, and it's so hard to wrap your head around that most people will never do it, but I think you're right in terms of, they wanna control everything they've fucked up

with Bitcoin, it's got away from them, they're starting to realize that they're in panic mode, they're pushing things forward, it's going too fast. That seems obvious to me, like it seems obvious there's this group of people who are doing it, it seems obvious that they want control, they want power, what I don't really understand

other than the fact that they are psychotic, and they like to, like you say, rub it in people's faces, I don't understand where it all comes from and where these links are, because you've got all the Epstein stuff which is really fucking weird, and it seems like all of these ties and all of these links go so deep through the royal family,

through basically everywhere that you could think, and it does feel like there's like a link with pedophilia and these types of fucking psychopath people, like I don't understand what it is, is it some sort of weird cult, they all groomed into it, is it something where it's, or is it just literally like fucking weirdo powerful,

people get more and more powerful, they then meet each other and get comfortable enough with each other and they find out they have the same fucked up interests, and then it's not really that planned, like you've obviously spent more time, a lot more time looking into all this kind of stuff than I have, what's your feel for it,

like what do you feel confident in, and what are you not sure about? - Well, as far as just people go, people are fucked, people do really fucked up things, they have the possibility of doing amazing what we would consider wonderful, loving things, and then they have the exact opposite, the darkest, most evil things,

and how do you grow a garden of love, and how do you grow a garden of evil, right? What would that look like? What things would you have to add to the garden? What ingredients to make love, and which ingredients to make evil?

So now look at what a family in, let's say Gaza Strip in Palestine during an Israeli bombardment, all they wanna do is put food on a table, send their kids to school and live their happy life, that's it.

They don't have really much hope of doing anything besides that, so that's what they're kind of aiming for, maybe they'll get out of Palestine, maybe they don't want to get out of Palestine, but they're trying really hard to survive, and they have each other, that's it.

So the family becomes close, it becomes tight knit, you even become close with your neighbors, your friends, because you all have to work together to kind of make it happen, to make everything work.

And since you're in that weird sort of horrible, lesson learning mode of life, of poverty, and hardship, and everything, good things mean something, good things are sacred, bad things, you have to let roll off your back like water, and stand up against what you have to stand up against, and you become the strong people.

Now take the opposite of that. You've got someone born into wealth, you've got someone with a silver spoon in their mouth, the entire time they're growing up, they're growing up in a family of wealth, a family of people who don't have really a clear purpose, they can go do whatever the hell they want to.

And how are you going to figure out what you wanna do if you grow up in a rich household where everything's just fed to you, no one ever says no to you, and that's kind of a key element right there, no one says no to you.

If you get into that situation where no one says no to you, become a weird person. Elvis Presley was a good example of this, I heard someone, oh no, I didn't hear them, my brother heard them, my brother told me, he told me this about this interview.

And the guy said, well, you can watch Elvis from his younger days, everybody who knew Elvis said he's just down to earth a little shy, a southern kid who really, really is polite and nice and all that stuff.

And then you can see what Elvis was like at the end of his life and say, well, what the fuck happened in between and wealth, fame, power, that happened, right? And he said, imagine this, imagine instead of getting up in the morning and getting ready for work and talking to your family and watching the news

and texting your mom or your dad or your friend or whatever and then going to work and dealing with your normal bullshit and coming home for your kids practice. None of that exists, instead, when it's time for you to go somewhere, you go out of your mansion, doors, you get into a limo, the limo goes to the gates

of your mansion that has a bunch of people outside screaming and yelling, you ride down through downtown to a private entrance to an airport, get onto a private jet, it flies you to another private entrance at another airport, you get into a limo, you go to that limo through the streets, you come to the back entrance

of a hotel which takes you through a private elevator up to their private suite and you never touch reality. You never touch other people ever again. All you touch are the other people who are in the same business as you and who have access to you.

You have to get access to Elvis now, you have to be in this industry, you have to be a makeup person or a director or a songwriter or whatever in order to have access to Elvis. If Elvis tries to walk outside and go to get some pizza, he gets mobbed by people.

So Elvis isn't Elvis anymore as far as the world is concerned and so how hard is it gonna be for Elvis to remain Elvis, right? And that's a guy who was born in the normal world and then changed by wealth and power.

And he didn't really even have a lot of power necessarily, you know what I mean, in the grand scheme of things but he had a lot of sort of public influence which gave him access to like Richard Nixon.

There's a great movie about Elvis meeting Richard Nixon if you've ever seen it. I think it's called Elvis and Nixon or with Michael Shannon as Elvis and Kevin Spacey as Richard Nixon. And he just got weird, you know?

He's like, hey, I wanna catch drug dealers. I will go undercover and spy on like the Beatles for you and stuff to see if they're like doing drugs or, you know? And so Elvis didn't have a purpose anymore.

Yeah, yeah, off the deep end, man. And so imagine these dassels up in the ivory towers, you know, they get this idea in their head and that's all it takes is once the ideas in their head, they just make a phone call and that idea is kind of off and running and maybe it doesn't go anywhere, maybe it does

but nobody says no to you, you know? And so you go meet these other guys that nobody says no to and those guys start talking to you, hey, we've got this idea. We're gonna try this, we're gonna try that, are you in?

Yeah, fuck it, I got nothing else better to do. So I think a lot of it is that there's a very small percentage of people who are controllers who control and the rest are just kind of floating around on the Titanic with them, you know what I mean?

And they're just enjoying the bands and the food and all that other stuff, but they really don't have any part in it, they're just, their money is there, their money's flowing around, the money's going into this bank account, that bank account and they're just sort of cogs in the machine like the rest of us.

The machine itself being built by slowly over time by what we would, I guess, maybe call evil capitalists I don't know what you would want to call where you're trying to harness human labor, harness human energy for your own good and create a huge vacuuming siphoning mechanism

which is what fiat money is to feed yourself and you become generations of that. So generations of slough, right, generations of egotism and all the seven sins, murder, all that stuff. Soon as you have something, you gotta defend it, right?

You ever see that movie The Gods Must Be Crazy? - No. - I think most people won't, maybe won't even be old enough to know what reference that is, but it's a movie about a plane was flying over like some outback of, I think it was Australia and they drop a Coca-Cola bottle out the window and the Coca-Cola bottle hits the ground

right outside of this tribe of people who have never seen a Coca-Cola bottle before. And so they kind of worship it. And it, but it's kind of like the ring of power. Everybody wants it now, right?

(laughing) And it corrupts them. And so imagine giving some fucking kid who grew up silver spoons, Ricky Schroeder, silver spoons character who grew up in some make a mansion somewhere and doesn't know anything and went to some prep school and only knows what he learned in his institution and what his father and his mother and his uncle

drilled into him over the years and maybe his nanny 'cause he didn't see his mother, his father very often or whatever. And now you're handing that kid the keys, you know what I mean? Hey, you're gonna be the next premier of Ottawa or whatever, (laughing) hear the next golden child.

So what is that guy gonna do? What is Justin Trudeau gonna fucking do? You know what I mean? He's gonna do exactly what he learned to do growing up in McMansion, which is make sure not to make mom and dad unhappy, do what you're told, tow the line so that mom and dad are happy with you 'cause mom and dad are the ones with the power.

You're just the kid, Justin Trudeau is a child. His mom and dad are the ones in power, right? That the rich folks. And so you're taught that, you're groomed to be another cog in the machine that your parents built, right?

And it's, I don't think there's a way out of that. That's, you know, with maybe something like religion where you just have a sudden, maybe DMT, maybe drugs, which is of course one of the reasons drugs are outlawed.

(laughing) Because it can open up your mind. (laughing) Yeah, it definitely seems, it definitely seems like that. Yeah, that, the way that you're explaining it there makes sense, it's like what levels of depravity do you have to go to when you like to get your next fix and you've never been told no, you will never,

you can't accept no and nothing's out of your reach. Well then, where's the fun? It's like, you know, the whole, like when you're young when you're a young man, you're like chasing after girls.

Like the whole fun is like, ah yeah, you know, the chase. And so if you're, it's hard to get this really fucking hard. Like it's really fucking hard. And so, and that's the fun. So what would happen if at that age where you're like doing your best, getting ready, you've got not great clothes, you're trying to sort yourself out, you know,

you don't really know what to say or do and you're just learning but it's fun and you're chasing and that's the whole excitement and like you get your first kiss and it's like, oh my God, it's the most amazing thing.

It's like fucking, you can't stop telling all your friends about it and it's just like a massive thing, massive deal. Well, if you have everything, like nothing's difficult because you can say, oh, well, I'm just going to rent a penthouse and bring in fucking 50 strippers and a load of cocaine

or I'm going to do like how quickly does it spiral to a point where you're there and it's boring? Because that happens relatively quickly with the kid who's kissed a girl a year later. It's like, oh, it's just a kiss, what's next, you know?

Or a few weeks, it's just a kiss, what's next? And so how long does it take to have the kid that no one says no to, to has everything, to get bored of what most people would think is amazing and dream of?

And then I guess is it a stretch to think that they're going to get into some really sick, really depraved things? And I guess no is the answer. And so it does feel like maybe those people meet, like, you know, if me and you met and I didn't know you were you and you didn't know I was me

and we didn't know that we were interested in Bitcoin, I would have a pretty strong feeling that if we sat at a bar and we chatted for more than 30 seconds to a minute, I'd probably know this is my kind of guy, like I can chat to him about Bitcoin, I can chat to him about this stuff because I can feel it, like there's something

where I would know, maybe it's the same with these people, maybe they're like, I know this person's a depraved fuck, like me, and I can talk to them and we can work together. And maybe they just smell it.

I don't know, it would probably feel like they could, like maybe there's something like a coldness of the eyes or a way that they operate, that they can just sense and then they spend their time together.

- Right, well, I think just like it's organic to some extent, like that where you have a place for a meeting where things like that can take shape, like you have the, oh God, the what's the one in Northern California, not Bilderberg grove, something grove, well, he mean grove.

So, be he mean grove in Northern California is sort of this out in the woods retreat for the world's rich and wealthy. And they have this that's now, of course, famous thanks to Alex Jones.

And you know, Alex Jones is one of those guys where a broken clock can be right twice a day and boy was he right, he went out in the woods hoping to catch something on film, right? And he catches these guys doing the exact thing that all of us kind of, you know, make jokes that maybe they do where they're worshiping

or doing a ceremony, maybe it's symbolic, the cremation of care. And maybe you've seen the video where there's all these guys standing around in like blurry video of them in robes and a big fire. - Of fire, right?

- Wow, wow, so yeah, once you see that, you go, what the fuck is going on in the woods of Northern California? What are these guys up to? I don't need really to talk about COVID or anything else until this shit is explained to me.

Why don't we know about this? Alex Jones had to sneak into the fucking woods to find this out. And it's out there on the internet. You can just look up cremation of care. This is real. This is rich people sitting around watching a mock child sacrifice take place where we're sacrificing, yeah, they've got this struggling person in a sheet

that's covered in like a sheet that they walk out to this big giant statue of an owl god. Some people say it's a Moloch, but I don't think it is Moloch. I don't know if an owl god, why owl would be Moloch, I don't think it's ever been depicted as owl.

Maybe I'm wrong. But they have this child and then this creepy devil voice comes over like the speakers and starts talking to them and then they're saying, no, we reject you devil and this and that.

And all the while this struggling thing under the sheet is saying they're struggling and it's being put into the fire as a sacrifice. Hopefully it wasn't a real person, right? It was a mock ritual.

But really weird shit, right? This is not like your Christian sort of, you know, denominated ceremony. This is very pagan, very old sort of ritual stuff. And so what does that mean? And to me it means if I'm rich and I'm up in the middle of my ivory tower and I've got nothing else to do, I would be interested in the same shit

that everyone else would be interested are do ghosts exist? What are UFOs? Except now, instead of just wondering about those things, I can kind of use my influence and money to actually try and find answers to those sorts of things.

And, you know, maybe if I'm rich enough, I have access to the secret Vatican library or I have access to somebody who has been to the secret of Vatican library and I can sit down over a cognac with them and discuss the secrets of things.

My dad's a 32nd, you know, level mason or whatever and he, you know, hints at weird ritual stuff or weird magic or something that I'm kind of intrigued by so I start looking into that. Or I'm just at 15 or 16 years old, I'm brought into the fold and slowly over the years, things are revealed to me, but when I'm trustworthy,

if I'm trustworthy, right, if I'm competent, I'm not gonna fuck up the plans of the masters. I think that's kind of what happens is just this, I want to be part of something larger than myself, I'm bored, what is there out there?

And that leads to this sort of mysticism, you know, whatever you want to call it, paganism. Maybe they even know some sort of secrets we don't. Maybe they have access to some sort of text or documents that prove that there were, you know, aliens on the earth in the past or something and they're sort of trying to figure out a way

to get into their good graces and contact them, I don't know. I really don't know why, what is the top secret of, but I do know that if I was in that position, I would probably be interested in finding answers to those 'cause I'm already interested in finding answers to those and I'm not rich.

So these secret societies, I think, come from ancient sort of orders of powerful rich dudes who passed on ancient order of powerful rich dudes stuffed to their children and grandchildren through the Masonic orders, you know, the Templar orders.

And there's all kind, I mean, it's not even really an argument that that happened, that did happen. It's just a question of what secrets do they hold? And that's a really good rabbit hole, that's a good one.

- Well, I was just about to Google the cremation of care and then I thought, ah, no, I'd taken my VPN off so that we had a smooth recording and I thought, no, fuck, I'm not gonna do that.

So I will look at it later, but that does sound really fucking creepy, whether it's someone actually in there or not, regardless, it's really fucking weird. - It is weird, yeah. And they, the cremation of care, if you look at the words, it doesn't sound like such a bad thing, they're like, they're saying, hey, all the bad things

in the world worries and things that are messing with our minds, you're gonna go away and we're gonna have a nice peaceful sort of existence without you for a while in this little grove, this protected place where we don't have to worry about the worries of the world.

But the way that they're doing it is really weird, right? You know, you don't have to go to that extent to make that sort of statement. You don't have to have a mock sacrifice and all this other stuff.

So that, I think, connects to this idea of power. I can control things. I have knowledge that you don't. I'm involved in this secret stuff that nobody else gets to know about, look how important I am and look how much more I know than anybody else.

You feel good about yourself, right? And it's hard to feel good about yourself. When your entire life, everybody's been saying, oh, look how cool you are, look how great you are. You're a rich person, blah, blah, blah, what do you want?

I won't say no to you. No, you look great in that pink salmon colored shirt. No, trust me, you look great in that salmon colored shirt. At what point do you just get sick of that and say, I want something more.

I want to feel like I actually am better than you. Like I know something you don't that is so important and so deep that I'm better than you. And if you could figure that out, if you could find that, it might actually give you some sort of purpose.

So my job is to please ball or my job is to please the high priestess of my order or my whatever your job is, at least you have one, you know, at least you're not just floating around wondering what to do with yourself like Hunter Biden or something, doing crack and fucking hookers

and everything else because there's just nothing else to do and you don't know what to do. You get some focus. Maybe that's what it is. - Do you think they know about, 'cause I'm in on the first recording we did, we touched on UFOs?

- Yeah, let's flip over to that stuff. That's the good stuff. - Yeah, so I thought, 'cause we kind of interlinks is like, let's put it this way. It seems as though there's this weird group, they're really fucking weird and they know probably some shit we don't.

We don't know what it is that they know, but we know they probably know it. - Right. - Let's go into the UFO stuff. Like, you obviously gone deep down this rabbit hole, you've actually had an experience which I couldn't stop thinking about it when we last had the conversation.

I was like, that's fucking so crazy. Like, to have someone who's actually seen something, we talk about it, it seems realistic that there would be some kind of life form or there is some technology that we don't understand, but where since then and since standing up off the couch and going, fuck, I saw that, I actually saw that.

Where's it taken you? What have you learned? - All right, so when you start off with something that kind of reveals itself to you like a vision, you can't ignore it, right? It's there whether you want it.

You might not even understand what it the fuck it is. For me, the UFO, I didn't understand what I was looking at. I didn't have any frame of reference for it. I had no idea there were triangular shaped UFOs on the planet, I had none of that.

So it was like, God appearing, kind of, and doing something and then leaving again, like, whoa, what the fuck, what just happened? You don't have any reference for it. Like, Native Americans seeing a boat for the first time, a major ship, a Spanish ship or whatever, you know, reportedly, they didn't know what they were looking at,

so they were trying to figure it out. It's kind of the same feeling. But then you get told, hey, everybody, there are these people who own these gigantic boats and they're coming over and I just heard that they like stole some people from this village up north.

Like, you know, they landed, they took some people and they took off again, and you start wondering, who the fuck are these people? Well, how did they build these giant boats? All we've got is canoes.

How do they even have enough trees for this? Like, you know, you start thinking, not some boats. What the fuck, where did that come from? Why is it here? And then you realize, when you start trying to talk to people about whatever it is that you experienced, they reject it.

What? You saw what? Okay, well, maybe you saw some. The first thing I do, the first thing anybody does, well, maybe it was a plane, right? Maybe it was this, you're trying to give them some sort of thing to fit in into a frame of reference of what you know.

And so, once you realize you don't know, then it opens up a door for you. It says, okay, there are things on the planet that you don't know about that other people have lied to you about, knowingly.

Obviously, the government has to know that these things exist. Either the government made them and is flying them around over, you know, Paradise, California or Chico, California, which is the area that my sighting happened in.

Or it's not the government. And if it's not the government, who the fuck is it? And who built it? Why are they here? Why are they flying it around? You know, real bright lights so everyone can see them over Paradise, California in the middle of the night.

What the fuck? So, it opens a door for you where you're willing to accept that weird things can exist in the planet. It doesn't matter what it is. And I'll bet, Max, I'll bet that you have something in your past, some weird thing that you barely ever think about it, maybe.

But every once in a while, someone says something and it triggers the memory. Oh yeah, that weird thing happened to me back in the past. I saw something. - Yeah, a few. - And, you know, you don't think about it too much.

Maybe it's not in your normal life. And then one day you suddenly hit you. Holy shit, I did see something. I saw something weird. I had that weird thing happen to me. And it's so out of the ballpark, strange, out of your normal frame of reference of what you can and can't understand that you don't really want to think about it too much.

It makes you uncomfortable because there's no answer, right? There's no explanation as to what just happened. And I have a lot of those stories, not just of myself, but of other people because I have an open mind now and I ask them about these things.

I asked them, I straight up asked people that I come into contact with. Have you ever seen a UFO or have you ever seen a ghost or anything weird happened to you? You ever had a dream and then it came true?

That's a big one, a lot of people have those. And I did that experiment when I was teaching high school in Albania, I would ask my students randomly, I'd say, hey, anybody ever had a dream that came true?

And you would just not believe how many people would raise their hand in their class every single time. Interestingly, people with long hair seem to have it more often than not. But really weird stuff happens to people all the time.

It's just that it's out of their frame of reference. I'll bet way more people have seen the UFO than realize it. They just forgot about it. They saw it. What the fuck is that? It flew away and they stopped thinking about it.

And the only time they ever think about it is when something that looks exactly like that or someone describes something that like what happened suddenly is brought to their attention and then they remember it for just a few minutes and then they forget about it again.

So you have to have something kind of slap you in the face to really wake you up out of that stupor where you don't forget about it, where you start putting it into reference of all the other things you learn about in the world.

So if anything, I would tell people, if you had a weird experience, you should embrace that as hard as you possibly can and go far fast and far down the rabbit hole as you possibly can with that because there is nothing else on the planet that will give you a sense of satisfaction of sort of a hunt, a search for truth

than following those little clues that the universe has unfolded for you because that's kind of what it feels like that you got a little hint, a little window at something else that nobody else got.

And that gives you a special ability to think outside the box and you mentioned that, I think you said the words little boxes earlier, it's one of my favorite songs. I don't know if you've ever heard that song but there's a little, there's a song called Little Boxes and I would highly recommend anyone,

if you're listening to this, go out and listen to that song right away, it was the theme song of those TV show Weeds. - Oh, yeah, I love that show. - Yeah, good, great song. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know the song, yeah.

- It's describing the houses where I used to live in the Bay Area, California, next near Berkeley in San Francisco and when you're up on the hills, you can see, you know, across the city, there's all these little houses in rows that have different colors, blue and pink, they're very pastel green and yellow and yellow

and so little boxes on the hillside, little boxes made of ticky-tacky, blue one and a green one, red one yellow. Everybody's coming in these little boxes and they just lived through these boxes their whole lives, seeing a UFO, seeing a ghost, having a dream where it comes true, you know, whatever your thing is,

that's the thing that gets you out of the little boxes. That's the thing that makes you the weird person in your family, that's the thing that makes you be able to resist mass formation, that's the thing that lets you be other than non-sheeple, I think, for a lot of people.

It's a chain reaction from a unique experience that allows you to have an open mind. Bitcoin can do that for people as well. Which is great, isn't it, that we have this like thing that is now in the world that can just trigger rabbit hole after rabbit hole and end up, you know, somebody's gonna be listening to this podcast

and they never would have thought about, you know, UFOs or this or that unless they had listened to the podcast and maybe it triggers a memory for them. Oh yeah, you know, when I was a kid, we were out in the front yard and we saw this silver football over the tall pine tree in my grandfather's yard and we sat there wondering what it was

and then it flew away. I forgot, I haven't thought about that in 30 years and that's what it happens to people. So I've seen it over and over again because I talk to people about this stuff.

And boy, oh boy, I could tell you some stories. Some ghost stories, holy cow. Weird shit going on out there, man. Skinwalker Ranch, have you heard of Skinwalker Ranch? - No, what's that? - Oh man, do we have time?

- We got time, we got time, I know it's late there. So it's early here, so I got time. - Let's rabbit hole it, real quick for the people out there. So Skinwalker Ranch is in Utah in this sort of middle of nowhere basin of sort of desert land and it's a cattle ranch or it was a cattle ranch in the 1990s

and there was this family who had bought the ranch and moved in there to grow prized cattle. And the owners had sold it to them with some weird stipulations like don't dig unless you're going to talk to us first.

You know you gotta talk to us if you're gonna dig on the land, that sort of thing. So some sort of weird things and then all this really, really weird, high strangeness kind of stuff started happening.

On the first day that these people show up, they brought their cattle trailer with a few calves in there and they're looking around and here comes this gigantic wolf in the middle of the broad daylight loping across the field, walks right up to the family, brushes up against Tom Sherman, what's his name?

And it's huge, it's super tall, much bigger than a wolf should be up to Tom who's six foot something up to his midsection. And really big and you know, a wolf comes at you at all. You're gonna be like, what the hell's about it?

What's that wolf? And then this giant wolf is there and they're all kind of frozen. So it brushes up against them and they even actually he put his hand on it, could feel it. And it has these bright, bright, bright blue eyes.

And it's kind of standing there looking at him. And as they're kind of starting to discuss what's going on, what's up with this wolf? This calf had stuck its head through the bars of this trailer that was connected to the truck.

And the wolf jumps at the calf, grabs the calf and it's jaws his head and starts trying to pull it out of the trailer. So what do you do, you're one of your prized calf? These things are worth thousands of dollars.

These prized animals is getting attacked by a wolf. Tom runs over and he's a big guy and he puts his boot into the side of this wolf side. It doesn't even flinch. Now they've got a baseball bat, they're hitting it not even flinching.

Tom gets his gun. He's got a big handgun, puts a bullet in this thing and it lets go and just kind of stands there looking at him. Like what the fuck was that buddy? So now he's a little freaked out, right?

He, I think he put another, another round into it. And then it sort of kind of walks away a little ways and he tells his son, go get my 30 odd eight, which is a big, big rifle. And he puts two rounds through this thing and he sees, he could see it tear trunk off the body and the trunk hit the grass and it just kind of,

it recoiled and then it stood there looking at him and then it turned around and leisurely loped away, started walking away. - The fuck. - And so this, and Tom and his teenage son are sitting there, you know, speech us.

Everyone's freaking out. And Tom hunting idea kind of in mind says, we gotta go get it, we gotta follow it. So he follows this thing, not hard to follow 'cause it's leaving tracks and bleeding.

Or no, sorry, it wasn't bleeding. It should have been bleeding. It wasn't bleeding, but the tracks are there. He follows it almost a mile along this creek bed and then it comes to a point in the creek where there's all this mud and it's propins disappear, just completely disappear on the bank of the river and it would have had to either

jump the entire creek bed and get to the other side where there were no prints or just disappear basically. So really weird thing, the first day they're there and it just gets weirder from there.

To the point where they are so upset with the strange stuff that's happening, they don't know what to do. They went to the press about it. It's in the paper, a billionaire named Robert Bigelow who was a sort of a real estate aerospace.

He has interest in UFOs and stuff. He likes the weird stuff. He buys the ranch and he hires and creates a team called the National Institute for Discovery Science of scientists from different fields.

And he has them set up camp basically on the ranch to try and get proof of these weird things that are happening. I don't have time to go into the many different weird things that were happening there before they even got there but I'll mention one of the things that happened while they were there to give you an idea

of how weird things got. So these guys are up on top of this ridge overlooking the ranch and there's a show by the way called the Secret of Skinwalker Ranch. It doesn't get into a huge amount of the stuff that happened in the past but they're trying to kind of figure this stuff out as it is now in the future.

But these guys are sitting there this nighttime. One of them has a night vision goggle set and they're looking around the ranch just hoping for something to happen and one of them starts to notice there's this little kind of almost like a reflection off of like a piece of glass down on the ground, down on the ranch.

He said hey, you see that? The guy puts the night goggles on and he's when he can see is completely different than what you can see with bare eyes. He said it looks like a hole opening up there, a portal of some sort.

And he's describing this as it's happening. And he says it looks like it's getting bigger. It looks like there's lights in a tunnel on the other side of the hole as if the hole is in a opening up from within some sort of tunnel and then he sees what looks like a man, a black sort of silhouette of a man doing an army crawl

out of the hole, falls out of the hole, stands up big muscular guy and then takes off running in the direction of the rich. Dude with the goggles is freaking out, right? Holy shit, we got to get out.

All the guys are now freaking out. What the hell, so they're all trying to like, you know, run and get to safety and nothing of course happens. This guy, you know, nothing, nothing attacks them or stuff.

And so what, what the fuck was that, right? Another time they're, this is a really weird one. They're, they had this guy show up in an RV at the gate of Skinwalker Ranch, which is in the middle of nowhere in Utah.

This is before anyone knew really about this place. And he said, I need to come and meditate in your field. Now there's only one gate in and out on the ranch here. It's a private road. It's just not like it says Skinwalker Ranch on a sign.

You'd have to know all about this place to even know. This guy had no way of really knowing here is he shows up 'cause I need to meditate in your field. So these researchers are like, okay, you know, anyway, ended up, this is a weird place.

Maybe this is part of the weirdness. Let's just let this guy do it. So they brought this guy in. They said, here go ahead, go out in the field and they got some chairs and they sat down and they watched him.

And so this guy's sitting there meditating and they see something start to move on the edge of the field in the distance. And it looks kind of like the predator. It was described as like predator from the movie predator where it's got that invisibility cloak.

Whatever it is, it's big. You can see that it's moving along the tree line. And then suddenly it goes very fast, travels across the field at the guy who's meditating, stops next to him, and then lets out a roar that would have been heard from miles around, incredibly loud roar, whatever this thing was.

All the researchers are just dumbfounded, watching this happen in front of their eyes. The thing disappears, goes, I don't remember if they saw it travel back to the tree line and disappear or just disappeared flat right there.

Anyway, they can't see it anymore. They approached the guy who's just, you know, had this monster, whatever the fuck, predator thing, roar at him as he's meditating in a field. And the guy, as soon as they got to him, was kind of frozen, paralyzed, and then he crapped on to one of their legs and went let go.

He was freaked out that much, you know. So they had to calm that dude down and then he eventually left. What a weird thing to happen. What are the odds of that? Some guy shows up at your farm, right?

Says, I need to meditate in your field. And then a monster appears and roars at him while you're watching. So these are scientists, right? These are serious guys. And it fucked with them quite a bit.

Eric Davis was one of the researchers there. Eric Davis was a scientist. I can't remember his field. Another time they're walking through the field and they would often be doing this 'cause they were just, it was random.

You never knew when something was gonna happen. And it seemed to, whatever the phenomenon was, it seemed to be intelligent to some extent where it would fuck with you. It would know you were trying to catch it here.

Instead it would go over here, you know. And many times Sherman, Gorman, they gave him a fake name when they first released the book about this 'cause they didn't want people to know who these people really were.

But people eventually figured it out. He used to see what, he was driving one day on his ranch and he thought he saw what was the sun in the sky. And as he drove, he realized the sun, it wasn't the sun, there was some sort of orange-ish circle in the sky that looked sun-ish.

And as he drove, he could see that it was a three-dimensional object that he could, as he drove past it, he couldn't see it anymore. So it was like a porthole in the sky. Where if you looked through the hole, you could see another sky that was maybe a different time of day, like dusk or something, so it was sort of orange-ish.

He would look at this thing, it would appear daily, almost. And he would look at it through his gun scope. And one day, a ship flies out of it. Just so happens that the ship, one day, it's a winter and a ship has appeared over many UFOs things happened here.

But this one was a triangular, a black triangle, with lights on the corners. And I thought that's strange. I saw something like that. I wonder if this is like a standard model of UFO or wherever these guys are coming from.

Interdimensional, I guess, would be in this case 'cause it comes to this sort of porthole. Flies over his head. And he saw that many times. Well, so portholes seem to be a thing, right? Wormholes, whatever you wanna call it.

And that would make so many things make sense right there. If there were interdimensional beings, it would make so many things make sense that didn't make sense before. Ghosts, UFOs, monsters, all of that stuff.

Could just be another planet where the people on the planet have created sort of a technology that allows them to open up holes to parallel universes or whatever the fuck. And it's just to them, it's technology, to us.

It's weird magic stuff and fairies and ghosts and things and spirits. But it's actually just people with some sort of technology who are kind of coming in and out of our world, like a zoo, kind of testing things, checking things out, like a fantasy realm or something.

And that seems to be what kind of skin walk range points that there is an advanced civilization of beings that they don't have motives that make much sense to us, but they do have a sort of a low key trickster type of personality where they fuck with us.

One of the incontrovertible things that happened was all caught on camera. They had set up cameras everywhere around the cattle. They realized that the phenomena seem to like to fuck with the cattle for whatever reason.

Cattle on earth is maybe cattle in other places as well. Cattle is cattle. And they had cameras all over the place, including this one camera that was up on a big pole, right in the middle of where all the cattle congregated.

And the camera on the pole had been wired up, duct taped all the way up the pole and to keep it in place. Well, one day they have this disturbance, the cows are kind of acting strange and they go to check and they find that somebody has taken the camera off of the pole, ripped it apart, destroyed it,

pulled out all the wiring and everything, torn all of the duct tape, and I'm sure if you've ever tried to tear duct tape off of anything, you know how hard that is, tore all the duct tape off of the pole and left it just in pieces all around the place.

And they thought, aha, we've got cameras pointing to this, three different cameras pointing to this exact location. They go look at the cameras, nothing. There's no video evidence that the thing that they just saw with their own two eyes even happened.

So how does that even occur? How can you have a thing that's right there in front of you, a broken camera that never took place on the film itself? Really weird kind of stuff going on where messes with your idea of perceptions of reality.

And these are scientists and these scientists, you can go find them online talking about this. One of the guy I'm talking about, Alexander, Alexander, yeah, anyway, I'll figure that out eventually, Alexander's something or other.

Someone else maybe will listen to this and mention in the comments or something. But yeah, really weird stuff going on. And so that kind of, when you have that kind of evidence that these things exist, scientists are talking about it and saying, you know, there's this one place where that maybe happens a little more common

than it does in other places, you start to wonder, well, if other dimensions can exist and other beings with higher technology than our own can exist with anti-gravity type technologies and stuff like that, what's to say that they're not coming into our dimension, crossing over, getting into our politics,

walking around in the White House, who knows? These people, they might, maybe they look just like us. Maybe they, you know, have an entire sort of system where from their own world, they cross over into other dimensions and slowly take over the resources of those worlds.

I don't know. But they interdimensional things seem to exist. Like, it's real. Like, you know, this is a thing. UFO's absolutely exist. Where do they come from? Who built them? How do they have a grasp and understanding of these technologies?

While we are sitting here struggling, trying to understand them ourselves. How far down the road do you have to be before you have anti-gravity technology? Do you have to have some other UFO come into your sort of world and crash so that you can study it to even figure that out?

You know, there's all these questions of what their presence and existence means and what it points to. - That's fucking mind-blowing. - Yeah, it's all web, by the way. Like I said, it's a web.

It connects to each other. So you could take stuff that's happening at Skinwalker Ranch and sort of connect it to what's happening with COVID by just sort of connecting the pieces. Well, if these things are real, maybe the people at the top are pulling strings for reasons that we just don't get yet.

They're in cahoots with the other dimensional people or whatever. Maybe it's just so much weirder than we can comprehend that it's sort of like that greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist type of situation.

It's just too out there, too far fetched. It's so science fiction. Matter of fact, they've done movies exactly about the situation that's real just so you think that it's science fiction, just so you think that there's a movie.

Because if you found out, you might actually be able to do something about it. You might get ahold of some of that technology and throw a real monkey wrench into their business. - Yeah, so we're, especially because you know, like sometimes you feel like they're conditioned so that you, when you see something, you're used to it.

Like, you know, they're saying about all the heart attacks. Oh, they're trying to normalize heart attacks now because of all these stupid reasons. But it seems like more and more, they're trying to normalize the fact that, yeah, yeah, there's UFOs.

Like, you know, they've come out and said, like, yeah, I mean, there are raves we've had sightings. It's, you know, whereas 10 years ago, like the conversations that we've had about UFOs, people would be like, you're fucking stupid.

And now it's like, you know, it's like an accepted thing, isn't it? Do you think, you know-- - Well, I was there 10 years ago talking about UFOs. And I used to tell you exactly what people were saying 10 years ago.

Yeah, the mainstream media, the New York Times, released the, you know, piece a few years back about the Navy scene, the tic-tac, famous tic-tac, you have a tic-tac shape. And everybody kind of knows about that now.

To some extent, maybe it's just this fuzzy little story they heard, they don't really pay much attention to it. But the, if you listen to these guys, the pilots, they give you some specific details about the capability of these things.

The radar operator, one of them was a radar operator. And he said, this thing went from, I think it was, I don't remember how many thousands of feet it was up in the air. But it came down vertically within a few seconds.

I think it was less than a second. I think it was like 0.73 seconds or something. Traveled from its height of several thousand feet to 50 feet above the ocean and stopped. We don't have obviously that technology.

And anyone, any human being who is in a craft, if we have developed something like that, would have been jelly on top of the roof of that craft from the G-Force involved. So whatever these things are doing, either there's no organic matter inside of them to be destroyed, or they have some sort of G-Force bubble

that makes them immune to the G-Force's anti-gravity technology, which appears to be exactly what's happening. This is not argumental. You can't even argue that this doesn't-- this is real.

This is on the radar where you have triple verification. You have eyes, radar, and you've got some sort of physical evidence on camera or on vision. In other words, you can see it physically affecting the environment.

In this case, the TicTac DFO was creating-- or maybe it wasn't creating, but it was hovering above something else that was creating this huge amount of turbulence in the water, in the ocean water, and that the pilots could see.

Those are real. These things are real. If those are real-- And it's accepted. They've said, like, it's like, yes, something happened. It's accepted. It's not trying to cover it up. So then it's like, well, are they now-- because they've been saying, oh, they're not real.

It's not real. Anyone who says it is a conspiracy theorist, they're a lunatic, UFOs aren't real. Don't be stupid, blah, blah, blah. You've never been visited. We've never seen them. And now it's like, yeah, yeah, well, no, we have.

And they do exist. And that's fine. And it's normal. So then it's like, well, so what are they preparing you for? That's the way I'd look at it. It's like, why not just keep covering it? I don't know if it's a normal-- at the normal stage yet, but it's at the exist stage.

And of course, if you're thinking in terms of PSYOP, what's coming next? Why would they be suddenly agreeing to sort of release this information, leak it, drip it to the public? Carol Rosen, I think her name is, who is a aide.

And I have no way of verifying this. But she says she was an aide to Verner von Braun, who was, of course, the architect of the V2 rocket program after the Americans decided instead of jailing the Nazi scientists to use them, utilize them.

And so Verner von Braun became a very prominent figure in American science. And he was basically told her that the government would use various tools to control its people as a threat, threats that we had to deal with.

And one of them, there was terrorism, there was asteroids. Asteroids were supposed to be scary, and we were going to have to arm space against asteroids. He said, but the final card, the final trick, would be UFOs.

So what you don't want, if you're going to do that, is a populace that just straight up doesn't believe in UFOs and would immediately question any UFOs that appear and think, maybe this is a hoax, maybe this is the government, maybe this or that.

But if you come out years beforehand and say, UFOs are real, and we don't know what they are, and we're trying to figure that out. We're the good guys. We're trying to figure out what UFOs are.

Then you get them used to the idea they exist. So when you put your rebuilt UFOs or whatever fake invasion or holograms or whatever they do, whatever silly nonsense they're up to, that people accept, oh, shit, UFOs are real.

They're here. They're going to kill us all. The news just said, so we've got to worry. We've got to go inside. We've got to make sure that our neighbors are not actually aliens. You can divide and conquer with that.

You could use that pretty effectively. Even Reagan mentioned this stuff. Even Reagan used to say, you know what? He'd say, what would happen if there was this threat from outside the world?

We would have to drop all our differences and get together and have happy la-la land. And so he kind of pitched the idea that if there's an other outside of our planet, that means that we can unite together against the other.

So this is a good thing. We need to unite together. But you also need to listen carefully to that. Unite against the other. Well, what if the other isn't dangerous? What if the other is very benevolent and has gone through millions of years of evolution and thus understands where we are in our evolution

and why we're so stupid and do stupid things to each other? Maybe that's where they are. And that's why they don't interact with us. Kind of like the whole Star Trek thing, right? You don't go in and fuck with people by giving them anti-gravity technology and seeing what happens.

You let them develop that stuff at their own pace because there's this sort of moral and ethical ability that needs to go along with the technology for them to survive the technology. They need to have the rules in place to be able to utilize the technology without destroying themselves.

Atomic, being the obvious, atomic technology, being the obvious elephant in the room there. Are we going to blow ourselves up? And if we gave ourselves anti-gravity technology, what would that do?

We have crazy people floating entire villages up into space all of a sudden as part of experiments. What would happen? So if we do catch a UFO, if we do catch one of these intermittent internal ships and we start wreak like Bob Lazar says, right?

He Bob Lazar is the guy who said he worked at Area 51 and he re-helped re-engineer, backwards engineer, a UFO. And they saw them trying to fly it, he says. And if that's the case, then they probably have numerous UFOs.

But maybe it's kind of like if you've never seen a car before and then someone rolls into your town with a car and you kill that guy and you take his car and you take it apart, you're not really going to have a great understanding probably of that car.

You would need to take a car quite a few cars and put them back together again before you understood all the components and everything else. And you certainly wouldn't be building a car that was better than the people who built the car before.

Because they're going to probably be light years ahead. Either going to have all the manufacturing facilities or going to have all of that stuff. So it's not like the US or the Russians or the Chinese are going to build a force of a UFOs that are going to beat the aliens or something.

You know what I mean? It just sounds kind of silly even saying it. Because they had to go through those same things and their evolution and their history, assuming anyway. I'm assuming they had to go through those things in order to get to the point where they could build the technology and then even have the reason or desire

to go to other places with that technology. And obviously, for those of us who have read enough about it, know that very few alien interactions or UFO interactions are aggressive, very few of them seem like the UFO wants to mess with people.

It's more the opposite. They're trying to avoid the people. Trying to stay far away from them. But they're studying something. They're here. And they are studying something. And I can't imagine an alien race that sends out drones to different planets, not considering that that might freak out the denizens of the planet.

So you have to wonder, why are the UFOs not cloaked? Why are they showing up in broad daylight over farms and things like that? I mean, why are they not as stealth as they could be? And maybe they come from a place where threats aren't a thing.

It's been so long since they've had any threats from outside or anything like that that they just don't fear anything anymore. And they don't have those considerations to think about. But they are-- You've got my mind ticking again.

They do seem to care about it, to some extent, where they don't want to hurt us. I don't know if you know Travis Walton is. Very famous case. Travis Walton in the 1970s was on a-- you might have heard the story where he's up in the woods.

He's a lumberjack. And he's doing a job with a team of-- I think it was nine other guys. And they're just doing their normal job. At the end of the day, they get in a truck. They're on the way down the mountain.

And they see this weird light. They thought it was a fire in the forest. And as they pull up closer to the light, they realize they see that there's a UFO, a flying saucer floating there above the ground and causing this light.

And this is out in the middle of fucking nowhere. So there's no other things that could be. And Travis, one of the crew members, gets out of the truck and approaches it. And all the other guys are like, get back in the truck.

What are you doing? You're fucking idiot. And as he gets closer, they could hear it power up. And to me, that sounds like, oh, you're in your UFO. You're doing your maintenance mode or whatever.

You're just having your snack. And then the sensors come on, like, warning. Assholes approaching. And you're like, oh shit. Here comes the humans. We better get out of here. And so Travis is walking up closer.

And then all of a sudden, he gets hit by this sort of lightning bolt from the ship and goes flying 15, 20 feet through the air and hits the ground. All the people in the truck freak out. They think he's dead.

They just got killed by this flying saucer. And they take off in the truck. Not long down the road, the foreman realizes, holy shit, we just left one of my crew members. He says to all the other guys, we got to go back.

Some of them are like, no, fuck that. Let's just keep going. And he's like, fuck you guys. If you don't want to go back and get it, you can just stay here. I'll go back. Of course, nobody really wants to stand out in the dark fucking woods by themselves after seeing that.

So they go back. Ship's gone. Travis is gone. Fucking gone, right? And so now what do you do? You've got a missing person. You just get hit by a lightning bolt from a UFO. This is the 1970s in fucking-- where was this?

This was-- oh, god. Good luck explaining this one to the person. Arizona, maybe Arizona? Anyway, so they get back and they discuss it. They're at a bar. And they finally discuss, OK, we got to call the cops.

So they call the cops. Cops come. They tell them the story. Cops are like, what the fuck are you guys talking about? Obviously, you must have murdered this guy and left him up in the fucking hills somewhere.

So we're going to start investigating you. So they get the world-renowned FBI lie detector dude to come in and do lie detector tests on all the guys. All except one pass with flying colors.

One of them is undetermined. He's uncooperative during the thing. And so he can't give a for sure diagnosis if he's telling the truth or not. They do it actually, I think, something like six or seven times, maybe more took those lie detector tests over the years and passed them again and again and again.

Five days after the fact, these guys are all in the papers. It's become a national news story. They're saying the UFO took this guy. Obviously, everyone else thinks he murdered him or something or they're protecting him.

He ran off somewhere. Suddenly, this guy calls them from a phone booth and says he's kind of fucked up. It's hard to understand. They come get him. And he's all fucked up. I mean, he's got some sort of PTSD going on.

And when they eventually are able to-- I don't know how long after the fact, after they find him, he is put under hypnosis as well as questioned and what he can remember without hypnosis.

And his story is pretty amazing. He basically says, I wake up. I'm on a table of some sort. I've got some sort of heavy thing on my chest. And then I think I'm in a hospital room. And then I realize as my vision clears that the people who are working on me are not-- don't look like humans.

And he kind of immediately reacts defensively, jumps off the table, grabs some sort of instrument that's nearby and holds it out in front of them. And there's these little alien people who are just sort of staring at him.

And he described them as having the eyes being very almost-- I think he said, synthetic-like. Like, these are robot beings or something. Cyborg robot aliens or something that looked lifelike.

But what do you call those, Android? So Travis, these things see that he's very upset. And they leave the room. And he looks out the room after they've gone for a little while to see, how do I get out of this place?

Because there's no other doorway. And he sees a hallway going two different directions in sort of a-- like he's in a circle, like he's in a circular hallway. And he goes down one, goes in another room, sees some strange chair with controls on it that show kind of like a planetarium.

And then another guy who looks more like more human-like, but with sort of a soon on, with a helmet, tall, tall person, comes and gets him, doesn't speak, and ushers him outside of this circular thing that they're in.

And it happens that he's on like a flying saucer. He gets off a flying saucer. He's inside this other huge ship. You can see other flying saucers parked around inside this huge room. And he gets led over to some more of these human-like-looking people that are just slightly off, not quite bigger eyes.

And they put a, what looks like, kind of like an oxygen mask over him. And that's it. Next thing he knows, he's waking up in the middle of a road, in the middle of nowhere. And he sees up in the sky this thing flying away.

So that was-- And he did a lie detector. Did he do a lie detector test after doing that? Yeah, Travis and all the other guys passed their lie detector tests. Travis has led a quite a life after that.

People, of course, very interested in his story. And he's a very kind of quiet, humble type of person. So when you listen to him talk, he does not look like the kind of guy who's doing it all for attention.

And so that's one of those sort of-- I think it's like, just like us, where if you're on your bike or your car and you drive out into the woods and you're to go drink some beers with your buddies, and you run over a fucking squirrel who lives out in the middle of fucking nowhere, maybe he's never even seen a car in his entire life.

And you're like, oh, fuck, dude, we hurt the squirrel. What do we do? And you're like, all right, well, let's just wrap it up in a little blanket. Maybe it's in shock. It'll feel better. And we'll go stick it next to a tree when it looks like it's feeling better, and just leave it there.

Because what else are we going to do? I think it's pretty much the same thing. I think human beings, once in a while, stumble on to hire evolutionary species and doing whatever those higher evolutionary species.

Or they're drone devices. They're technological devices, because I think a lot of these UFOs are just drones. And they go, oh, god damn it. We heard another one. Let's see if we can help it out and then put it back.

Just like being a little kid when you heard a frog or something. And so I think that's what we're seeing is these other beings. And they're probably like us, to some extent, where they're searching for answers and searching for truth, and that's why they're here in the first place.

Why else would you go fucking to some other planet and risk being on someone else's planet unless you were searching for something, unless you were looking for answers for something? Maybe it's simply corporate resources they're trying to find or whatever.

But something, something is happening. But I think they're probably like us, right? I mean, it stands to reason, to some extent. It seems like that seems to make sense and if they really wanted to harm us presumably, they would have tried.

We would have noticed that, especially if they're more advanced than we are, then presumably their weaponry is more advanced than we have. Oh, you think if they're really smart, we wouldn't know they were harmless.

If they were smart, we would be the farm animals and we would not realize that we were on a farm. Maybe we are. So we could be the matrix thing kind of harvesting us for whatever. And there's like the people out there who read the Zachariah Sitchin books who think

that the aliens were genetically engineered humans to mine gold and elements that they need for their technologies and stuff. And then they just left Earth and kind of left some drones to watch us, to monitor what's going on.

And they'll be back one day, the Anunnaki, and they'll come back every 3,000 some odd years and check on their cattle. That's the Zachariah Sitchin sort of story. But I think all those stories come from the same place.

Where the fuck are these UFOs? Who built them? Why are they here? You know, how long have they been here? These stories go back thousands of years, thousands of years, to, you know, you're talking about Ezekiel and having his, you know, these flying saucer come flying out of the sky and

rings within a rings and it lands and then these beans get out of the ship and telepathically talk to him and, you know, it's just like a modern UFO story. And you get the same thing in the ancient rabbinical texts, I mean, holy Christ, you've got not no pun intended, but you've got this Moses guy, right?

And he's got some sort of magical force that is protecting him. And parts the Red Sea so that him and his people can go. And it says in these, these, the Bible and the, uh, rabbinical texts, it says that this cloud went before them in the day and led them and then went between the armies of the

Israelites, or sorry, the Egyptians, uh, and the Israelites in them at night as a pillar of flame, well, what would you call a brightly little UFO back in the day of Moses, right? And so this thing literally led them around through the desert, uh, dropped some sort

of weird food out of the sky, the manna, right, when they didn't have food, protected them from other armies, tells Moses, they get to this mountain and says, go up in the mountain, the giant cloud descends over the mountain and covers it.

And Moses goes up there, stays up there for like 40 days. When he comes back, he's got these fucking devices with him, right, with rules and everything. And his face, it says, is a glow horrible to behold, it's a misshapen.

His face has been somehow, uh, changed and it's glowing. And that to me sounds like incredible radiation exposure is what it sounds like. These things that he's holding, these tablets, he says, the first rule, the first order from these higher beings that just talked to me up there is to build a box, a container for

these con, for these things. Here are the, here is the blueprint. See he had a blueprint set up for the container, right? And the blueprint told him you need to have layers of metal and wood, let metal and wood, metal and wood, golden wood, basically to contain this, uh, these things.

And in the stories, the arc, this box that they think could strike people dead, would float around on its own, had to be sacrificed to things to, and fed to, which this cloud would develop above the arc and then suck things from the sacrificed, sacrificed animals into itself.

So it would somehow suck matter into itself. And it was a weapon and it was destroying their enemies. And people, you started talking about these Israelites who would walk around with their God with them, they would float it around with them in this box and destroy the, the anyone that got in their way.

And the, what was it, the, um, Philistines, am I getting that right? It's hard with a pee. Uh, they, they eventually come up against the Israelites and of course this is a civilization of, of powerful men and they have a giant on their side, they have Goliath and they send

Goliath in who literally runs into camp, kills the guards, puts the arc on his shoulder and takes it out of the camp, steals the arc from the Israelites and, uh, brings it back to town. Yay, we, we got the, the weapon of the Israelites.

It's like getting a, you know, a nuclear weapon out of the US's hands as, you know, Afghanistan or something. We got the, we got the weapon away and then they open it and a plague hits them, uh, radiation plague, uh, where their hair is falling out, nails falling out, boils developing on their skin and they go, oh my God, fuck.

And they say, here, take it back. We don't want it again. So this box and the reason I mentioned all of this is because, you know, that's really weird. That's really weird stuff, right? And the only thing that really makes any sense is there's maybe an aliens or a higher

power who, you know, have this technology that they want to, uh, kind of be involved with humankind and they, so they create this technology where they've got this, you know, sort of little, uh, you know, device where they can interact with humans, to some extent.

That box that they built, uh, about a few thousand years later, a German named Wilhelm Reich, or Austrian, sorry, Austrian named Wilhelm Reich. Um, discovers on accident as he's walking, uh, around a lake.

He accidentally kicks this little pipe. And while when he kicked the pipe, he had been watching on the lake surface, he had been watching this sort of, uh, energy that was, uh, kind of like a haze, uh, when you see a road in the distance and it's really hot and it looks like it's sort of hazy in the distance.

He was looking at something like that on the water and he was trying to figure out what was going on. And as he's walking, not paying attention to where he's walking, he kicks this pipe. And he saw that wave of energy over the water move when he kicked the pipe, which was really weird.

And so he looks down at the pipe and he notices that the pipe is sitting in this ditch that's full of water and, uh, the, some construction crew had left there and, and not cleaned up or something and he starts putting two and together and starts doing experiments.

And before you know it, Reich has discovered that if you ground these metal pipes into water, you can affect the atmosphere, uh, especially if you move it around. Um, he discovered through his experiments that this energy was responsive to, uh, being

in certain environments, one of them being a box where he would layer metal and wood, metal and wood. And he called it an organ accumulated called the energy that he was trying to understand organ energy.

He was coming from the perspective of a, he was one of Freud's, uh, apprentices. So he from, he kind of disagreed with Freud and he had his own ideas of how the human psyche worked and he was trying to mesh these two things together.

So he named it organ out of, after the orgasm to this sort of energy. Um, and he did an experiment once where he put a little bit of radium inside one of these organ accumulators and the effects were very dramatic.

It irradiated the entire farm that he lived on, got the animals very sick and he had to abandon the farm with all of his students. He ran a school there, uh, cycle, analytical type of school where he did his own psych, uh, psych work, um, had to abandon the entire place tiny bit of radium in one of these boxes.

And I read those that and one day it connected to me. I was reading the, uh, Graham Hancock's book, the sign in the seal about the arc of the covenant. And I realized, holy shit, the arc is built just like an organ accumulator and all of the signs point that these things, these tablets that Moses was holding are full of radiation.

And they were protecting basically the people from radiation to some extent with the gold. Gold is a great radiation shield. Actually if you look at, uh, the temple of Solomon was built to house the arc and it was lined in gold.

The entire thing was lined in gold and, uh, like a radiation shield, not to protect the arc, but to protect the people from the arc. They would send inside this temple, which was made of rings, rings, rings, rings, rings within rings, the inner thing where the arc was called the holy of holies.

Only certain priests could go in there and they would tie a rope to the priest's ankle with a bell on it. Because if the priest died in that room with the arc, they needed to be able to drag him out without going in there to get him.

So this thing was serious, whatever this fucking thing was, this thing could kill people and they were worried about it. They knew that it was dangerous. But the point was that I'm trying to connect the two together is this technology, whoever gave Moses this technology is the same kind of technology that Wilhelm Reich discovered

and that can amplify the power of radiation. So this box amplified the powers of radiation, this organ accumulator, which is a very, very dangerous technology, right? If you put that in the wrong hands of somebody who understands how to turn that into a weapon, that could be devastating.

Same thing with Reich's other technology discovered, which was cloud busting, creating rain, changing the weather patterns by manipulating this energy in the atmosphere. So what happens to Wilhelm Reich?

Wilhelm Reich is taken in by the US authorities who find out what's going on and they come after him for selling unlicensed medical devices because he used these organ accumulators to try and help people.

And they put him in prison. The judge orders all books, magazines and materials that mention the word organ to be destroyed, to be burned. They take all of the books that have been published so far.

They have a big book burning in New York state. They come to his property. They collect all of the materials they can find to destroy it. And you have to wonder in a country that says book burning is bad, 1952, height of American patriotism, post World War II, where the Bill of Rights and everything, that means something.

That judge, a federal judge, is ordering books to be destroyed. That's really, really weird. So this technology that this guy discovered, I think, is connected to a technology that was understood in ancient times by whatever forces were interacting with Moses and other human beings at that time.

They didn't give them the secrets of what this technology does or what it can do. They kept all that power for themselves, but they told them to build the box without telling them why. And that box was built just like an organ accumulator and it did have effects.

And I think it acted like a battery charger for these devices they put inside the arc, these tablets. They were some sort of alien, sort of communication device or whatever. So they just could get this energy, could power it, this organ energy.

This is all real weird woo-woo rabbit hole stuff for most people. But if you start looking into it, it starts to make sense. Wilhelm Reich was a real person. He created a real technology that really worked.

It was recreated and proven to work by later a guy out of Kansas, Kansas State University, who used Wilhelm Reich's cloud buster to prove his thesis and get his master's degree. And then because of that work, he was invited over to Israel, which was having a massive

drought at the time, and was allowed to run around the country with his cloud busters, which kind of looked like giant guns on the back of a truck. And it created not just rain, but snow in Israel, where on the front, because it was a big deal, people were, there was no water, people were dying in Israel, it was a bad drought.

And so it was worldwide news when it started raining and snowing there, and there were pictures on, you know, the paper newspapers of children having a snowball fight. They didn't give him credit for that.

His name was James DeMeo, he's still alive in Oregon, I believe, has an Oregon Institute up there. He then went to Africa to run the driest regions in the entire world to see what these things could do, see what this technology could do.

And he was able, where there was a dry land is now at Lake. It rained so much over several year period, more than it usually did that it created a huge lake in the region. So if you could create something that could change weather patterns in your backyard out

of a bunch of metal pipes grounded in water, what would that mean for the world? What would that mean for society? You know, if the wrong guy gets ahold of, you know, maybe somebody makes 20 cloudbusters and uses them all at once and creates this horrible weather pattern that, you know, ends

up in a hurricane somewhere and destroys things and kills people. Well, if the U.S. government found out about that, what would you think they would want to do when they want to use it to control the weather and scare people?

They want to shut that shit down fast as possible before anyone else found out about it and use it for their own purposes, right? Any government. You don't want people knowing that. I wouldn't want people knowing that.

I don't want people running around making these things and stuff. But you know what, I don't want the fucking government having a monopoly on that shit either. So that's why I talk about it, but there's dangers both ways.

You know, you get that shit in the wrong hands, maybe it fucks with people. I did a personal experiment with that, a small-scale experiment, and it's the only experiment I ever did and it kind of, you can decide for yourself, but I grounded some pipes in water, running water, and carefully studied Reich's notes as to how he would make the

rain. And I did exactly what he said. I moved the pipes in small increments. I think it was east to west or north to south, knowing that I wanted rain to appear from the southwest of where I was, and so I did that, and from what I understood, it would take anywhere between 24 and 48 hours for the rain to come, if it worked.

So I watched the radar, and I made sure before I started the experiment that the weather forecast showed no rain for the following week. There was no rain. This is California, northern California, by the way, where we've been in a drought for two decades.

So I did that, and I think it was about 22 hours later. A small storm appeared southwest of me, over a town about 15 miles south of me, dumped rain, moved over the town that I was in, dumped rain, and then disappeared.

So just out of nowhere. There was no other storms around. There was no storms to the south, the west, east, north, just this little localized storm. I watched it on the radar, moved from one town over the town that I was in, and put just a little bit of rain and then disappear.

And I don't know. Was that me? It could be. It could just be coincidence how would I know. I'd have to do the experiment over and over, but I felt that I didn't want to mess with the stuff that might have an effect on other places.

If I changed the weather here, what does that mean for the weather? Butterfly effect, or that kind of thing. No, I try to not to continue with it. That makes me think. So, well, firstly, we're coming up to two and a half hours.

I know it's very late there, so I'm not going to take too much more of your time, but what's really stood out to me there is I wonder, as with Bitcoiners, and as we are trying to decentralize things, and as we are saying, well, no, fuck you, we're not listening to

the rules, and if something's going to benefit humanity, we're going to try it. Is it not worth a few Bitcoiners in different locations, especially if there's anyone listening who are in areas where there's drought or there are people who desperately need water

to fucking try this and just report on the findings and see what happens because it sounds to me. Obviously, we don't know the knock-on effects of it, but there's lots of places that desperately need water in the world, and it's like a problem that can't fucking be solved, apparently.

Well, can we not try this? Yes, well, there are so many experiments have been done by a small sort of handful of people in the world and shown incredible results. James Demale, of course, he did very scientifically, very publicly.

Another guy, Trevor J. Constable, who was a merchant marine, and since he was floating around between Hawaii and California all the time, it gave him a perfect opportunity to kind of experiment with this stuff on the boat.

And he was able to create rain to dramatic effect with these methods, as well as other methods that he created kind of experimenting with the original Wilhelm Reich Cloudbuster and trying to make other easier to transport Cloudbusters and things like that.

He said that he accidentally created floods that destroyed crops, and that's one of the reasons why I was careful because of his story, I realized that I don't want to be responsible for that.

But I was just using a, you know, I was just a few short pipes in a bit of running water in my backyard type of situation. And on YouTube, if you go on there, you'll see all kinds of people trying various Cloud busting experiments, some of them using the traditional Cloudbuster sort of method with

grounded pipes and water, others using this other stuff that doesn't seem to work at all called "organite." But the grounded water pipe seems to work, Wilhelm Reich never failed, and all requests he had to make water.

He was able to make rain, he was able to do so, including his biggest experiment, which was around Tucson, Arizona, which had been experiencing a massive drought, which is why he chose that location.

And he kept trying, and he was unable to create rain while being down in Arizona proper. And so he's wondering, why is it working everywhere else, but it's not working here? So he started kind of thinking in terms of, well, if this is energy, then I'm pushing around in the atmosphere.

The energy up there has its own patterns. We have the, what we call the jet stream. Planes are very aware of this because, you know, the energy is there, and they can use it to fly faster, one direction, and if they want to.

These, he said, well, if it's coming from that, from the west, this stream, maybe there's a blockage of some sort, maybe there's some sort of zone with negative, you know, sort of energy, I got to add the positive energy to equal things out.

And maybe that's what happens to desert areas. That's why there is desert, desertification. So he was able, using his technology before he tried to break the sort of blockage, he was able to create a greening effect all for 40 miles around Tucson, Arizona, where they

had had this tall green grass and locals were saying, and they'd never seen it before in all their life. Just green all of a sudden everywhere. Then he goes over to the mountains. He puts up his cloud buster and he says, okay, well, if there's a blockage, this should do it.

And he lets it, does the cloud busting in low and behold, it starts raining in near Tucson, Arizona, and this black kind of stuff is falling at first in the rain, and then just rain. Was that him?

You tell me. But he never failed, Wilhelm Wright, as far as anyone knows, never failed at making it rain when he was asked to make it rain or tried to make it rain. Which was an interesting little thing for me.

But, if you can create floods, maybe you shouldn't be trying to make it rain, right? Unless you understand the power, the weapon you're messing with, or the tool you're playing with, and the dangers of that tool, you don't let a five-year-old mess with a power saw.

They know that the power saw cuts things, but they don't know that the power saw can kick all of a sudden or all these other things that can happen. So you got to be careful with that shit, new technology, new energy for Christ's sake.

Some people might say you got to be careful with Bitcoin for the same reason. You don't understand the power that you're messing with here. When you take the ability to change the money away from a few small men, those men are going to say, "That's not good."

You might not like that because they're going to fear having control taken away. Anyway, I'd love to talk to you again sometime. We never got to touch on this stuff I really wanted to talk about, which was the Bitcoin and remote viewing.

Can you predict where Bitcoin's going to go price-wise using these powers? It has been used to successfully make people lots of money in Silver Futures markets, in Dow Jones markets, and that stuff was all recorded and studied and put down on paper and you can see the results yourselves, and I would love to talk to you about that next

time. Right, we'll do that. Bitcoin or something too. Because what I hope is that there will be some Bitcoiners over here, Bitcoiners over there, and they all decide, "Let's do this. Let's make a remote viewing bitcoin up or down public thing."

Experiment. Definitely. Definitely. We will do that. We will definitely do that. Well, it's been an absolute pleasure again. My mind is going to be going all over the place for the next few days.

I've got a load of tabs open on my computer now that I'm going to be looking at skin walkers and UFOs and all sorts of bits and pieces. Just for a quick, quick note for all the listeners, if you have not read it, there is a book I highly recommend the book over the documentary or the TV show, Hunt for the Skin Walker.

It's where it's all the information of what happened in the past with these experiments and everything at that ranch and it is mind blowing stuff, totally worth the read, even if you are a skeptic who is just doing it for entertainment value.

Good stuff. Perfect. All right. Well, we will get you back on the show very soon. Thanks again for your time. If you just stay on the line so that I make sure I get this audio, but yeah, mind blowing stuff.

All right, Max. Thanks for having me.