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Yeah. All right, you ungovernable misfits. I'm your host, Max. Everybody knows that Bitcoin is useless, worthless, and doomed to fail. But what if everyone's wrong? What if it's the system that is doomed to fail?

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Warning. Today's episode is something completely different. I caught up with a mate I haven't seen for a long time. He was actually on this show in the very early days, and we decided to record.

We talked a lot of conspiracy theories. We hit the bomb hard, and if you are easily offended or you're gonna cry in bitch and moan that we're saying that climate change might be a scam, the clout Schwab probably fucks kids and drink their blood, and all the other weird shit that we talk about in this episode, then turn it off and go away.

Come back next week when we're talking about Bitcoin. We don't talk a lot about Bitcoin in this episode, but we do cover it. We mainly talk about conspiracy theories, COVID, climate change, inter-dimensional being, space, all the...

(laughs) Difficult sort of stuff you're gonna talk about when you're high as fuck. So once again, if you are here just to listen to Bitcoin content, you're probably best just to tune in next week.

Also, our audio isn't brilliant. I was just at a mate's house. We recorded with what we had. I've done the best I can with the post-production, but you know, it's not up to my usual high standards.

Anyway, I really hope you enjoy it. If you do enjoy it, let me know, you know, I love recording this sort of stuff. I love talking about this sort of stuff. I don't normally record it 'cause this is a Bitcoin podcast, but I know there's a lot of crossover with the conspiracy stuff.

So if you like it, let me know. If you hate it, pfft, tough shit mate. Karen did send me a little pong voice and I hope the next day he's saying, "Oh, fucking hell, the climate change stuff."

I didn't really explain all that well. I could've said this. I could've said that, blah, blah, blah. He's done a lot of research into this far more than I have. Yeah, he wanted me to let you know all these extra things, but I just can't be asked.

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Okay. - Should we do it like a... - Yeah, okay, so... - Three, two, one. All right, that'll sink 'em up at the beginning. - Get the lights down. - Oh yeah, of course. - You're a weirdo with your lights.

- I am. I went on Reddit recently. I do like to be Reddit. How many? - What? - Yeah, fine. - Even just that. You know, like, who has the big light on? And it's like, obviously the majority of people are talking about like, oh yeah, lamps, like, cool lighting.

But there's this small hardcore of people that are like, I like the big light. (laughing) But we are in the minority, we know it. - The really fake, really bright, horrible shit. Like, you have an office.

- Mm, okay, turn. - No, I was like an incandescent bottle. When they changed over to their, like, energy saving, I fucking hated those. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I like the tungsten filament.

The clashers like the bottle. - Where it's like warm, just like warm. - Yeah, when it blows and you drive to touch it, you're like buying your fingers, yeah. (laughing) - Yeah, I just like low light.

Are you like sunlight or low light? - Yeah. - I don't like any sort of fake shit. Even when I'm working in the office, they're sort of lighting. - Yeah. - Don't know why. - I, well, I don't get headaches from light.

I get it from sound. So that's what, that was the thing is like, you know the adverts, they kill me. Too much noise, too much like mixed noise. That's when I get annoyed. But yeah, like, I can have the bright light on pretty much all day, not really give a shit.

- So, we're gonna annoy some people. (laughing) - Well, we can play a game. - Okay. - How much do you know about random conspiracy theories? - Okay, yeah, that's good, okay. - That's a good game.

'Cause then it's for entertainment purposes only. - Yeah. - And then I'm saying it. - You're not actually saying you're ascribed to any ideas. You're just gonna go, do you know about these ones?

So... - I know a bit, the thing is, I never go down the rabbit hole that much because it's a lot of like the Bitcoin world. It crosses over with obviously the conspiracy stuff. And then it's like, I know how sad I am and how much time I need to spend on something if I can start going into it.

I don't have a fucking time. So, like COVID, I went hard. I went hard in that one. - Yeah. - But the rest of it and the money stuff obviously go hard, but the rest of it, I'm like, sort of get it, but I'm just so much time.

I know you've done a lot of time in a couple of these rabbit holes. - Yeah, I do feel like I've been put like bizarrely, the social media algorithm pushes you to what you're gonna engage with.

Like, so recently. (laughing) - What? - Yeah. My feed is just full of cocks. (laughing) Oh, like recently, my shit has been like, what I'm like, I'm pretty sure I'm on a government watch list because it's like the Kildos are, the Unabomber Ted Kuzinski.

Like, you know, here's your hero. It's like, hang on. And then they start reading about it and you're like, oh shit, yeah. Maybe the Unabomber did have a point. Like, the male bonds were a bit much.

I'm just gonna go and record and say that. - Probably. - Probably. But it's Manifesto, who, like, fucking-- - Oh, I know on this one. Didn't he predict a lot of the, like, technical shit?

And he was, like, saying we need to stop in there. Well, not the thing. I've never really looked into it. - Oh, mate. This is one of the crazy ones, right? So, 'cause he died very recently in Unabomber.

- Okay. - Like, literally a week or so ago. - Probably, okay. - So, very, like, in the zeitgeist. He was a mathematics professor at, like, some proper famous university college in the US.

He was a victim of the MK-Ultra mind control experiment. - Okay. - So, they dosed him up with LSD. - Why'd you say Victor in various comments? - Well, I didn't say participant, but, like, it-- - Yeah.

- Like, technically, this isn't the conspiracy theory. This is conspiracy facts. - Yeah. - So, if you go onto the Unabomber's Wikipedia page, you will see he was in the trial, the MK-Ultra trial, in redacted government, CIA documents, is proven that they-- So, there's no question that the CIA went out.

Those people up with drugs, particularly LSD, in an attempt to control their minds. - With them knowing or without them knowing? - Well, I think of both. I think they did all kinds of stuff, 'cause they definitely did things without people knowing, 'cause there was Operation Midnight Climax, which is-- - That's brilliant.

- This has to ease the dude with the prostitutes. - Fuck him. You know that. You nailed it. Yeah, so, they would go to whorehouses. - Brilliant. - And then, the CIA got the prostitutes to dose the Johns.

- Right. - The pumpers with LSD. - Yeah. - And so, they'd be sitting there through a glass mirror, like, two-way mirror, watching them. - That's weird. - Yeah, like, not watching them have sex, but, like, watching their reaction to the LSD, because, obviously, who's gonna go home and tell them you miss it?

It's like, "Oh, no, but I went to this hall house "and then they gave me some acid." (laughing) No, it was great. - You did what? No, no, no, no. - Yeah, so, 'cause, literally, you're gonna cover it up, so they've got a perfect free victim, who they can do whatever they want to.

- Unless you're single, and then, you know, he gives 'em up. - Well, yeah. I mean, I think I get questions from what's illegal. - People probably still want just, like-- - Yeah. - Like, "Mom, Dad."

- Yeah. (laughing) The CIA, but yeah, nothing's gonna believe you anyway, so, yeah, they just freely did it, so. - I must be fucking weird. You're suddenly going in your alarm morning, and I can't get any birds.

So, I'm gonna go in, and I'm going to the hall house, right, okay, I'm sorry. And then, you're suddenly things start changing pretty quickly on the morning. - You say, suddenly, apparently, not that I've had any experience, but LSD, that does take about an hour to 45 minutes to kick in.

Like, I had this mat, he had a dangerous day. I would say his family mat. - His mat. (laughing) - And he came up in the middle of liddles, like, literally at the queue, but he'd only taken a half.

So, he wasn't like full blown, but, you know, like it, it was that moment, just like, when you feel it, like, and you're looking around, like, "Oh, shit." And you've got to then finish the shopping, do you know?

- Well, I've never taken it, and I'll review, but. What is that? Well, it's one of those things that's very dose dependent. So, as I say, like, if you take a half, you are still pretty compass.

Like, what's going on is inside your head. It's very much like, cannabis high, without perhaps the body's sedative effects. So, you don't feel mongy, but you definitely feel a bit weird. You'll appreciate colors and sounds more, but you're not seeing shit, okay?

So, we're talking up to about 100 micrograms, is 75 to 100 micrograms, apparently. You'll definitely know, you want it, but if you smoke like a strong join, you won't be able to tell the difference.

- Right. - That the weed would overpower it, but you would, you know, if you just took it a half tab on its own, take a whole tab, like 200 micrograms, then, like, patterns, the wall just starts to, like, have, like, waving patterns in, you know?

You ever see that illusion where you look at the spinning wheel online, and then you look at your hand, and it looks like it's growing. Everything looks like that. - I think I'd like that.

- I'd be like, fuck, this is-- - It's certainly an experience, but there's, like, there's a nice element to it as well. Like, we've got a family friend who recently, like, is going through a bit at a different time.

They would go into, like, his personal circumstances, but he has to, like, look after someone a lot. And then, recently, like, this dude literally was grabbing drugs out of the box, and the person was like, look, you can have one of these, just have one of those.

And used it as a day. He had a day to himself, and he just took the acid and went out in the countryside, and just went for a long walk, and he said he'd been talking to plants and trees, and just, they came to the sun, and just, like, there is something, like, reset-y refreshing about it.

- Okay. - It is nice. Like, like I said, I look at a half tap. - It's probably where you are, if you're like, how in nature is probably not-- - Oh. - If you're, like, in a shopping center, it's probably fucking horrendous.

- Yeah, it's-- - I can't imagine that would be fun. - Yeah, like I said, come up, coming up in little, like, it's not, it's not where you want to be, man. And, like, pretend I was doing that, you know, that guy, Dave, he had some edibles, and, like, they were quite all right, but he had these last three.

So, he's gone to a conference. He's, like, this corporate conference, right? And then he's finished the conference, grabbed a load of cookies out of the bowl, stuffed them in his bag, got on the train.

Sitting on the train, and he's like, yeah. Fuck it, I'll take the edibles. So, as much as the last three edibles, and within, like, five minutes, he's nodded off. Well, not because of the edibles, obviously, they take a while to kick it, but you used to tie it, it's been a long day.

All right, so he nubs off, and wakes up. On the train back from Birmingham, so, like, 45 minutes later, and obviously, they're starting to kick in. So, wakes up, and he's like, fuck. Oh, he's up and he's on cookies.

So, he starts munching on the cookies. And then, like, literally, the train announcement just goes, we're, we're, shortly arriving to London, Houston, and he's like, fuck. So, he grabs all his shit, gets ready, and then just, like, (exhales) puts headphones in, and then you've got to walk through

London, Houston station, where there's thousands of people, like, pink time, like, five o'clock. - No, not that even, even so, but. - Do you know what I mean, like, just getting on the phone and just, like, the only way to get through this is just to text your friend, like, just texting the man who messes you on the underground.

No one's getting the message, it's just like, (laughs) Yeah, this is okay, no one notices I'm just looking at my phone, but, like, so stressful to just wake up, and wake up in London in a busy, like, train station, highest balls, and just be like, "Right, now I've got to go on the underground."

Yeah, not his best decision. - So, that's what these guys were experiencing. (laughs) - Well, I mean-- - And then going for a blowjob. - Yeah, I like that, you brought it back, I was well off on that engine then.

But, yeah, so the Operation Midnight Climax, guys, I mean, if you go to someone with enough acid, it gets to DMT style levels. - Oh, right, okay. - So, you go so far that you can't really see reality, and you get these things called ego death.

- Right. - Which I have seen, I've seen people forget who they are, and not really understand what's going on. - As in, short term, they think, yeah, yeah, and then they come back to-- - Yeah, yeah.

I mean, there are stories of people that have abused acid, and-- - But just don't come back. - Yeah, yeah, but then I know someone who smoked weed, and never came back. - Oh, right. - Yeah, I think if you have a predisposition to schizophrenia, it just opens that door, and throws you down there a little quicker.

And that's the way they know, like, I'm being advocate for weed, but like, you've got to be aware that, you know, if you could smoke weed, you're fine. But there are some people who cannot.

That is an awkward truth that a lot of smokers don't like to be aware. But yeah, you know, if weed's gonna push you towards it, acid's gonna throw you off the cliff. (laughing) Bringing it back to the tangent, we went-- So, Ted Kazinsky, the Unabomber, was someone that, NK Ultra was this vast experiment with LSD and mind control,

and there's a book by a fellow, it's a book called Chaos, and it suggests that there's a lot of evidence that, oh fuck, what's his name, Charles Manson. - Right. - The proper, you know, he was part of that experiment, and there was a particular CIA psychologist called Jolly West, he visited Manson.

Jolly West, bizarrely, also was somehow involved in the Kennedy assassination. - Okay. - Because the guy who killed Kennedy-- - Yeah. - The lone assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, was then killed by Jack Ruby.

Jack Ruby, by all accounts, was absolutely fine and sane, and then Jolly West, who had a lot of interactions with Charles Manson, part of NK Ultra, CIA psychologist, goes to visit Jack Ruby in jail, comes out, and he's absolutely insane.

He's causing clinically insane. Everyone, and since after that meeting, everyone's like, he's insane. - Right. - Dosed him up with like, a gram of LSD or something. - Well, how did he kill?

- Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy. Jack Ruby ran out and shot Lee Harvey Oswald. - Okay. - They were like, prisoner transport or something, and I'm talking a little bit about school here, but I think Jack Ruby was in, he owed some mobsters, some money, he was definitely into some kind of, he owed people something.

- So the conspiracy theorist in me would say, they fucked up this Lee Harvey Oswald somehow would give information that maybe would prove that he wasn't the sole killer or whatever, like he had some information, so they were like, this guy needs to go.

- Well, I mean, maybe, like, who the fuck knows with all these, like, do you know what I think it is? I don't think they even think it through. - Jack and. - I don't think they think it through.

- And they're just down the public, it's like, should we join? - What do we do now? We just do one thing, like, let's kill the president. Yeah, bang, like, and then like, now what do we do?

Well, we've got to kill that guy. Oh, cool. And then what do we do with the expert? Just dose it back with acid. - MKUltra was CIA. - Yeah, and so Ted Kazinsky, the Unabomber, was definitely someone that was involved in the mind control experiments of MKUltra.

And maybe he just saw the truth of it. You know, he opened up his eyes. Bizarre, like, the excerpts from his manifesto are like, you know, the liberals in the universities are driving us down a path of amoral, you know, they don't recognize or understand that the hard work in principles of humanity

and pushing us in a direction that's not good. And especially when you see what's going on now in the social sciences after the grievance affair, you know, where they made up all those fake papers.

- I don't know about that. - Oh, that's a big one. This is quite recent. People wanted to expose how social science, and I'm using the little finger-comers here. 'Cause social, like, I'm a hard scientist.

Let's be straight up, I'm well-hard, man. You said I was hard when I turned up your house with, like, bits hanging out in my ankle, like, you're pretty fucking hard. And, like-- - I can see all that.

- I'm actually, yeah. - Okay, you're a scientist, yeah, that's-- - Yes, but a hard, like, a hard scientist, chemistry and physics are hard things, where there's measurements you have to show cause and effect.

You have to go, this changes, that changes. - Yeah. - Yeah. So you have to be able to measure and prove plans, right? So, like, a cutting example, Galileo's experiment. Do heavier things fall faster, right?

And you prove that they don't. - They don't, yeah. - Everything falls at the same speed, right? Clap nice, simple experiment. Now, if you wanna do a psychological experiment, like, does porn make you less good at, you know, keeping relationships?

- That's almost impossible to prove. 'Cause the people are different. - Everyone's different, the porn they're watching is different. - Yeah. - There's so many, there's too many variables that you can't-- - Absolutely, complex systems.

And then, people are different because you've got, like, nature and nurture, you've got a genetic predisposition, but you've also got your experience, your upbringing and the depth. So, like, you're always gonna have outliers, you're gonna have people that don't react, and people do react.

So, psychological stuff is not an exact science. So, coordinate science is bullshit. But then, social science, it's not even psychological. It's like, well, it's where you get gender theory, race theory, all this kind of bollocks, yeah.

- Is it not me? - It is, it is annoying. - I'm not a scientist, but it annoys me 'cause I'm-- - They're not scientists. - No, no. But what I'm saying is, I'm not like a hard scientist where I'm actually going around, yeah.

Like, I'm interested in money and, like, some other things where I'm, it's like, not a science, but I like to measure things and stuff, but I'm not a scientist, and it annoys the fuck out of me.

'Cause I'm like, this is just done. This is like, this study showed, no, it doesn't. - Yeah. - No, it doesn't. - So, a group of academics, including some British people, wanted to prove that the social sciences were corrupted by liberal ideas and political ideas, and let's be honest, left-wing Marxist, communist socialist ideas.

- Yeah. - So, they published some studies. What was it, Fox, out there? - Oh, yeah. Actually, fucking cool. - Yeah, there's loads of them around here. Like, drive around that main road at night, and you see a load of them just like sleeping on the road.

- It almost looks like a big cat. - That's quite a big one, actually. - Yeah, I think of them as like homeless dogs. - Yeah, quite nice. Are they run by MK Ultra? - Well, Fox is. - Yeah. - Nah.

- But the birds are monstrous. - Fox is the one governable. You can't govern Fox is. - That's true, actually. - Like, you put them, you know, the food in those, like, waste bins for the food recycling.

- Yeah, yeah. - Those are the unlock them. - Yeah. - And take the bag out. - They are understandable. - Yeah, and they are. I like Fox. It's a good symbol. - Right, so we're on, at the moment, the grievance studies.

So they wanted to prove that social sciences had become basically all about pushing an agenda. So they published a load of fake studies, right? - On purpose. - On purpose. To see if they would get into the social sciences magazines to prove that these guys aren't actually legit.

They're just pushing an agenda. There was a couple of them. So there was one about the behavior of dogs in dog parks, reinforces rape culture. So, the premise of the study is that they looked at the anuses of, like, a thousand dogs, right?

They went round these parks and looked at dog anuses. Like, that in itself was ridiculous. But they drew the conclusion that somehow the behavior of the owners and the humping of the dogs was linked to homophobia and rape culture.

Trump is all made up, but that was published. Right, got into a social sciences magazine, like quite a high level one. My favorite one is when they just took excerpts of mine campf, which is a book written by Adolf Hitler.

So they took the excerpt of mine campf. They all they did was replace the word Jew with white. - Male. - Exactly. - White cis male. - White cis male, yeah. - Fuck those guys. - And that got an award.

(laughing) - That's brilliant. - It's fucking brilliant. - So, who did this? - Oh, I'd have to look up their names. It's something like, like, I want to say Penrose, but it's not Roger Penrose because he's a mathematician, but it's someone like that.

Something Rose or Pen, something like that. But if you look up the grievance studies, or the grievance affair is, I think, the name of the Wikipedia page, it's one of those ones that has been suppressed.

Like, they've been on Rogan, the people that did it, have been on Rogan, the talk about it. But it's one that, obviously, the social science community are super embarrassed about it because they published about six or seven papers.

Oh, my favourite one, fat bodybuilding, that bodybuilding should include a category of fat people. Because fat people have worked hard at building a larger body. - To be fair, bought paper, I'm sorry, it's bought paper.

- You've definitely seen Ricky Gervais. - Yeah, and they don't fucking pay for it after them. I mean, it's the cheapest shit, though, isn't it? You're not paying a lot. Like, have you ever noticed that?

You go to the food aisle, and then the healthy shit's more expensive. - Oh, yeah. Okay, so, MK Altra. - So, yeah, the reason we went on to the grievance studies was that Ted Kazinsky had suggested that the liberals, not just liberals, like, but these ultra extreme left-wing socialist Marxists

who believe in, like, race theory, gender theory, all this kind of stuff that we're now seeing, permeating the landscape. - Especially the universities. - Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's gotten crazy now to the point where archaeologists don't want to gender some bones that they dug up in case.

- Oh God. - Are you serious? You've not heard this. - No. - Like I said, literally, you're in Sweden, and you dig up some bones, and you're like, "Oh, this is a very strong Viking warrior."

He, uh, they, we don't know that this Viking identify. I mean, we fuck it. Like, do you want to know something I've learned recently about Vikings, right? - Sure. - This is bizarre. It's only get if you take it in the arse.

- Yeah, everyone knows that. (laughing) - So you know that? (laughing) - I mean, but so, like, the Vikings, you will now cast if you received anal penetration. - As a woman as well, or just as a male?

- No, as a male, because it's female behavior to be angly penetrated. There was a couple of Reddit threads. There's R-Nauce, which is okay. There's R-Nauce paganism, which is a dumpster fire of rainbow flags and neurodivergent, fucking, what is it?

Infinity signs. - What's a neurodivergent infinity sign? - Yeah, I think it's like, yeah, it's an infinity sign, you know, the kind of eight on its side. Yeah, that's one of a little-- - Not to divert the conversation too much, but isn't everyone neurodivergent?

That's what I think now, 'cause everyone's got something, and everyone's on a scale of like, all these, yeah, everyone's on a scale of like multiple different parts of intelligence and emotional intelligence, everything else, and so like, you could argue the case that everyone's neurodivergent, 'cause everyone's fighting.

- Oh yeah, well yeah, I mean, there's no such thing as normal or average, is there really like, you know how I feel about it? Like, I feel like even the most autistic person is just within the confines of normal human parameters.

- Yeah. - But interestingly, today, literally today, I was listening to the Robert F. Kennedy interview, and he was talking, 'cause I've dismissed the link between vaccines and autism for years, because I remember the propaganda around it is, there's only one study, and it was fake.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But Kennedy like, lays it out, 'cause obviously they're crushing him at the moment in the media about, whenever you hear about him, vaccine denial, or yeah, that's their first line with him.

Like, personally, I love the man. Like, I like-- - So the politicians, how do you sort of come? - Mm, he's a libertarian, no. - He's sort of a politician. - Yeah, well, what about my own court?

- They're all cunts. - Yeah. - All cunts. Anyone who's a politician is a cunt. - There's-- - They will be. - They will be, 100%. - But that's like saying-- - As we said, there's a scale. - Yeah.

- If he's within the parameters of a cunt, he's on the far edge of the least cunty of all of them. - See, I actually think he's unicorn. He's that unicorn, he's that rare breed, rare. - You'll be disagreeing.

- Like, ex herring at it. - Right. - Right, so-- - Oh, he's got to be a good lab then. - Yeah, I mean, like Russell Mann. (laughing) But like, he's been through the wringer. Do you know what I mean?

He's at a time. He's open and honest about his stuff. And like, when you listen to him speak, you can't listen to someone speak for more than like two hours without getting a real sense of him.

I think he's the one that could save us. - Yeah, that sort of talk worries me. - Wait, but he's the one that could save us. - Get to know him. He'll never win. He'll never win, 'cause he won't get put forward for the ticket, 'cause he's so anti-war, so anti like big pharma.

- So what if he's libertarian, then he's what part of the libertarian party? - No, he is running for the Democrats. - Right, so, okay. So yeah, he's never gonna get it. - Yeah, but he's like, he's destroying the narrative of the war, just tearing down vaccine.

'Cause one that like, so I had always believed the propaganda that the vaccine, the autism link, was based on one study that was all the day, it was fake. But then like, he's going, you got this line from 1986, autism jumps up crazy.

And actually, it might like, I'm old. I'm gonna say it's now, I'm born in 1981. Autism wasn't a thing in my day, and there weren't lots of autistic kids at school. Like looking back, I can go, oh yeah, that kid was autistic, and that kid was.

But I also was a teacher for 10 years. And the number of kids that were autistic spectrum diagnosis, or like, most of them had a diagnosis that wasn't really relevant, I'll be honest. So I think there was an over-diagnosing.

You get them, beginning of the year, you look at your charts, you'd be like, oh my God, I've got seven autistics in this class, and you'd look at them, and you'd come in, and you get some now, and then you go functional now.

Functional now. - That one is a proper fucking test. - That one, he's, yeah, he's got, but you know, he wears a helmet, and he bangs his head on the tent now. We didn't have that, that was a mainstream squid.

I didn't see some of those, actually. I remember like a pair of twins, and it was bizarre, like, 'cause the whole family were autistic, but the two twins, two twin brothers, one of them couldn't stay in the mainstream school, one of them could, 'cause the other ones were hiding under desks crying.

So he didn't get, like, and like, I remember one other kid, who fucking barricaded himself in the room. Like, proper through tables up against the doors and windows, like, bless him. He was only like, like, when you see him, he's like the nerdiest little kid.

But, like, that kind of stuff, that kind of level of hardcore autism where they cannot function in society. - Yeah. - There aren't people like that in my generation. - Weren't there, or were they worried?

- They were going, the numbers are way lower. - That sounds social sciencey to me, 'cause it's like, you're saying, oh, my parents didn't have anyone in their school year who was autistic.

- Yeah. - But were they just, like, locked at home? - No. - Well, do you know what I mean, like, 'cause back in the day, like, people were, like, specials around mental homes, or, like, whatever.

- Well, let's put it this way. The number of diagnosis has spiked, and then the conventional argument for why the number of diagnosis has spiked. - You're diagnosing more people. - Is that there's clear of the more diagnosis.

Yeah, more diagnosis, more testing, more awareness, 'cause autism was even a thing when I was at school, we didn't even know about it. The first I heard of it was when "Rain Man," the film came out.

- Grand film. - It's a horse I get recently. It's fucking brilliant. - Floyd got an autistic friend. I wanna take into a casino, but I bet he should be shit. - No, he's not the right sort of horses.

(laughing) - I've got my numbers. There is a spike. And then, so what Kennedy was talking about was there was an agreement in 1986 where the pharmaceutical companies turned around to Reagan and said, look, we want downstream liability protection, so from the vaccines, we don't want to get sued, 'cause we're losing money at the moment.

We're a producer vaccine, and people are suing us for the injuries. And Reagan said, make them safer. And they said, we can't. And this phrase is now in the documents. Vaccines are unavoidably unsafe.

That phrase, vaccines are unavoidably unsafe, is written in the documentation that now gives them downstream liability. So they cannot be sued for vaccine injuries, but the vaccines are unavoidably unsafe.

- It was semi-COVID, wasn't it? - Yeah, absolutely. But from 1986, when they got that liability thing, the number of vaccines that were then mandated, not mandated, but pushed onto people and kids and babies went up huge.

- Oh, yeah. - And then you've got experiments like in Africa, they were giving them to these kids, and they had this like cut-off line, whereas if they were X-H, they can have it, and if they weren't, they couldn't.

So they got 30 years of data that essentially, naturally, by the way it felt, you got two populations, one that had had it, a certain age, one that hadn't had it until they were a bit older.

The ones that had it when they were a bit older were bigger, heavier, had less illness. - The ones who had had it? - The ones who hadn't had it. - Hadn't had it, okay. - Had gained more weight, had less illness, better performance IQ.

Like, it convinced me listening to Kennedy that actually, you know, I was, people keep calling me an anti-vaxxer, and I'm like, no, I'm just against this one vaccine, this COVID vaccine. - Yeah.

- After listening to him today, I'm like, man, I ain't taking any vaccines ever again. I was sold on it. Like, believe me, he's going hard. And to take that viewpoint, which is completely against pharmaceutical industrial complex, he is not a captured politician.

You cannot accuse him of being-- - But he could be controlled opposition because there could be worse things than vaccines, 'cause they're covered anyway, then they're not going to-- - But he's against war, he's against vaccine, he's against all of the kind of things, he was an environmental protection agency lawyer.

Like, he believes that the answer to things is free market capitalism. - It sounds good. - It sounds good. - Look into him, he's a good man. - It sounds good. It's just like, it's a bit like, if you said to me, that there's a crackhead that I know, right?

He's a fucking, he's a great bloke. He'll do a babysitting for you, right? And I promise you, the kids will be fine. I would be like, he's a crackhead mate. Bad shit is going to happen to you.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this one, I'm telling you. - Because he's a politician. - This one is the unicorn of crackheads. It's the same thing. - Yeah.

- But you could be right, it could be the fucking amazing crackhead, lovely guy. - Well, I mean, like, the most vast majority of, like, there are good politicians here in the UK. There are people who are principled, like Zara Soltana, I don't know if you know of that.

- Raising one. - There's been raisins in good points. - Raisins in good points, yeah. And who's that guy who got expelled from the Tory party recently? Andrew Bridgden. - No, I genuinely don't follow it.

- He's don't follow anything. - I don't vote, I don't follow any of it. I take the view that by voting or participating in any way, I'm legitimizing that process, which is illegitimate. It's nonsense.

They don't have any control over me and fuck off. They are just humans like anyone else. They do not deserve, they can fuck off. - So from my local residence association. - Yeah, but you would, because you're a Karen.

- Karen. - But like, that's my local, these are my local people who want to be the local councilors. - Yeah. - That's the fact that you do what you want, but I'm just saying, I don't pay attention to it.

So when do you, like, say these names? - I get what you're saying. - I know who Kennedy is. I know who he is. - Yeah. - He was speaking at the Bitcoin conference. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's, yeah, yeah.

- I didn't listen to the people I know who was there, like supposedly probably that, but it's just like, I just don't trust them. - Any of them? - No, until they prove me otherwise, like if someone does something great long term, 'cause it's all talk until they actually fucking do something.

- It's true. I believe they've been called in for a while as well. - Yeah. - Well, of course. - But anyway, that's how he's not hot. But either way, he's at least speaking out about something that we believe is important.

So you now think that-- - So hang on, where would we go for? 'Cause we get who's like some kind of autism link that went to the back. - Who are you talking about? First you're talking about MK Ultra.

- Yeah. - No, you were talking about-- - We'll get back to that. - We'll get back to that. And then we were talking about vaccines and how he's going hard about that, but not just COVID vaccines.

- But how do we get to vaccines from Ted Kuzinski? - That's a good question. - That's a good question. I don't know the answer. - Yeah. - Ortix. - Oh, I think it was because we were talking about Kennedy assassination.

- Oh, that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you thought Kennedy. Yeah. That's the link. And that's his uncle? - Yes. And his dad was assassinated as well. - Okay. - Like if he doesn't show up, if like, honestly, if they kill him, like, I'll cry.

Because I do trust them believing him. Like, I do think he is the one. And but even he's like, he made a few references to it. Like being nervous about being assassinated. - You've gotta be if you're saying that sort of stuff.

- Yeah. - His uncle, who would pretty obviously was assassinated by the CIA. - Okay. - Because he wanted to bring about peace and stop the military industrial complex, turn off the war machine.

And one of the things he, his uncle had said is, I want to take the CIA, smash into a thousand pieces and scatter it onto the four winds. - Okay. - And he's going around quoting that right now.

It's like, "Oh, shh, just hit once you get in." - Yeah. But don't people, like, do you think now? Like, we're digging down like these differences. But the problem is, there's so many conspiracy theories which turn out to be true, right?

Like, pretty much fucking take them off, right? But you don't know human being who has a job in family and like life has time to really get deep on all of them. You just don't cause there's so much to dig into.

But don't you think that the average person is now much more open to the idea that these things are- - 100% - Are true 'cause they're like becoming more and more obvious. So, and there's like documents.

Like, you know, talking about CIA and HMP Ultra, I'm pretty sure that's all out in the open, isn't it? It's like- - Yeah, yeah, but it's on Wikipedia. - Yeah, so it's not the redacted documents that were released as well, so.

- So it's not like it's like- - It's proven by the rank files. - Yeah. So, but I think the people who are like in our generation are much more likely to be like, okay, yeah, I believe that.

They might be like, I can't bother to research it or don't really like whatever, but they're more likely to believe it. Whereas if you go back 20 years, if I said to like, like one man, what's on there?

If I weren't like, yeah, basically in the CIA, they were like getting prostitutes to those people up, just random pants at their LSD, and then they're doing mind control and then getting to kill people.

She'd be like, "Oh, sure, fuck." - Yeah, she'd be like- - Like, "Oh, God, sir, if you can smoke." (both laughing) - So- - But then it's true, but this is not like, you know, in terms of, it's not a theory.

It's fact, it's documented fact, that it's been emitted by the people that did it. And this is the thing, there's a lot of things that aren't theories, like the weft, the world economic forum.

Like if you, all you have to do is go down to Google search and read like the world economic forum is a meeting of industrialists and global leaders who want to inform and influence world policy.

It says it like, right there. - Yeah, and look at class world. - Oh, I mean, yeah. - I mean, just look at him. - What a great man. - If you showed that to any kid, you'd go, "Good, you're bad at it."

- The thing is, imagine I'm pitching a film to you and it's like, right, so the bad guy, he's like, it's bored, goes, glasses, and it's got this charm and accent, and he wears this black star wars thing and you'll be like, like, slow down.

You've got a bit, you've lost us. It's not realistic enough. It's not plausible. You need to scale it back, make him a little bit more believable. - Yeah. - But it's real. - So? - Right. I've got one for you.

Whilst we're on the weft, the fourth industrial revolution is the fourth Reich. So, Klaus Schwab's father was-- - He was eugenics, wasn't he? - Was an artsy. - Yeah. - I believe so. I've looked into this and the evidence is a little bit sketchy to find, and all I find is fact checkers telling me that I'm not right. - We say you are right.

- Well, yeah, that's literally how it is nowadays. When you get fact checked, you're like, "I'm under something." (laughing) - So fucking true. - He calls it the fourth industrial revolution.

- Okay. - His father would have called it the third Reich. - So, this is where it's weird, is like all of these things seem to tie into one another. You've got all like the financial control and all that shit, right, that's one kind of thing.

Then you've got all of the climate science stuff, which we'll probably get into in a bit. - Then you've got like the control of people and freedom to like assemble and what economic forum and all this and CBDCs and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

- Well, let's do a Russell Brand on it, right? So what Brand does is he doesn't elaborate or make up any assertions. He just uses their own published documents and things like that, right?

So what's Klaus Schwab said? He said, "We've got to prepare for a more angry world." - Right. - Okay. - So he said, "Where's the pandemics?" Now, actually fucking watch this video the other day.

And I noted the date that he was talking about this. It was like May or June of 2020. Now, I know that we'd lock down in like March time. - Yeah, it's pretty early though. - But he was talking about, we have to prepare for a more angry world, the money from the pandemics.

And the way he said pandemic, it was a little like pause in his voice where he was like, "Oh, should I be saying that?" Yeah, 'cause he was like fully up on it because there was a pandemic meeting, a simulation meeting, and it was in 2019, but it was after the first cases had been reported.

And actually, this week, it's been finally revealed. The first couple of people who caught COVID-19, do you know where they all worked? - In that way online. - In the market, not in the wet market opposite, that poor wet market that's been like denigrated and shamed.

- They were eating deep-fried bats. - Well, I don't think they were even fucking deep-fried. They're just live. - Oh, fuck it. - And that's it, they just, yeah, they're trying to keep the food fresh, they keep it live in a cage.

That's what's wet about it, the blood. - Yeah, but you don't have to eat it like in the lives, do you? - No, I think I'm pretty sure they butcher it for you there. And I'm pretty sure you turn up and they give you like this poor little emaciated bat.

And they're just like, you want to chop, chop, chop, chop. And they're just like sticking a bag for it. So you know it's fresh. - Yeah. - But the, so they had this pandemic, like simulation meetings.

And there's no conspiracy around the fact that people have theoretical meetings, like what would we do, what should we do? - Like a fire drill. - Yeah, absolutely. But imagine going on a fire drill and going, oh yeah, but I've just started a small fire in the cupboard.

So I mean, that literally, because there were some people that had, like the COVID was always out. It had already released, but only a few people had got it. And people that knew about the release from the lab and the leak were there at this pandemic simulation meeting.

- Right, yeah. - And they're talking about it and they're helping inform the global policy about what's going to happen. That's fucked. Of course that's fucked up. - You know what's more fucked is that like all of this shit was said day one.

- Oh yeah. - Like so many people. - Yeah. - You didn't know what to believe and what not to believe. All I believed at the time is like, this is bullshit. Whatever they're going to do is not for our good.

That's all like, I was like, I don't know if it's a lab or whatever, but like I wouldn't put anything past them because they can't. But the more that comes out, the longer it goes, you're like, oh yeah, it was all right.

- You see, I was down for the idea that like they didn't leak here. It wasn't coming from a lab. It's just a natural thing, but they're going to use it to their advantage and make money from it.

And the more the time goes on. It's like, oh, it was man-made. It was leaked from the lab. Also that research was banned in the US and Fauci then outsourced it to China, rebranded it. Like he should go to jail.

He should. - But he is science though, mate. - Yeah, Fauci is the science. - I love the video, this video splice that you'll see on Instagram a lot of him going, well, I never told the government to lock down.

I told the president to lock down. (laughing) They can't like, and Trudeau as well. Like, I didn't call those truckers. I didn't say anything about those truckers. These people are white supremacist and sergeant.

Like they, it's like they, it's like they, it's like they don't use the internet. It's like they don't know like, oh shit, there's videos of me, how? - No, I think they know, but they also know that 90% of people just won't fucking look into anything.

And they'll just listen to whatever they're told. And they are right. Even now, all the things we're talking about are verifiably true so far today. I think. I think. - I don't, I don't, I mean, the only thing we said that maybe is like sketchy is like, Kennedy was fascinating, but it's the other thing.

- Okay, yeah, so we don't really. - Pretty universally agree, but like, yeah. - Everything else I think is like provable and you could check. - They're not really conspiracy theories. - No, they're like qua, qua, qua, qua, dad being announcing is a little weird.

- Okay, we'll show them. - All right, we'll show them. - We'll go out, Jamie. (laughing) - But everything else is, but if you said that to, I reckon still 90% of people genuinely, I think, not even like 90% of boomers, I mean 90% of people, I think they'd go, you're a fucking limited.

And they said on the news that it's not true. Even now, like family members of mine, I said, don't get the vaccine, it's not going to work, you're not going to stop the spread, it's not going to help you in any way.

- Damaging yourself. - It's because of damage of your immune system. I said all this stuff and we're like, argued and argued, argued. A few of them have got really sick, they've got shingles, people have been in hospital, heart issues, like it's been quite bad, actually.

And it's like, only one family member has gone, oh, because she lost shingles. But she hasn't really looked any further, but she was like, oh, maybe you're right. The rest, still, even though it's like all out there, even though they're experiencing issues, even though all the things that I've said are

going to happen have happened, they're like, no. - You know why? - Why? - It's easier to fall from one than it is to have them admit that they've been fall. - Yeah, that's probably true. - It is true.

- I wouldn't want to. - People double down, doubling down on anything that people double down on Trump, they voted him in and it turned out he was a bit of a sleazeball, I mean, to be honest, like I cannot believe, like I am waiting for the next American president because every time it's like George W. Bush,

you're like, I can't get worse than this. And then you go like, don't have a Trump. And then it's like, can't get worse. Since you've got Joe Biden, it's like, who is next, who is next? I'm in Britain, come on, we are killing it in terms of putting more arms in charge of our country.

We're doing brilliantly. - Here's one for you, you're like this. Who is our president, the girl who looked like a fucking hell that's fallen out of the tree? - Oh, you're talking about the tall one, the one that did the dance.

- What's that? - What's that? - Yeah, that one. - Oh, Theresa May. - Theresa May. - You've got Rob Duster in the gym. - Did you? - Yes. - What was fucking she? - Pretty tall. - Yeah, she's like one, like six foot one.

- She's pretty tall, got right up within a foot, farted loudly. - Rob Duster in the gym. - And she knew. - Oh, she's fucking knew. - She knew that it was a political protest. - She knew. - You're lucky they didn't use the police powers, I know.

Like, you'd have been locked up in a van before you knew it, like, what? - Well, I'm a proudest moment, actually. - Nothing used to be said, just a look. And she couldn't move. She was in her, she was in a compromise position.

(laughing) - She was captain. - She was captain. - She was captain. - She was captain. (laughing) - Yeah. - Well, I'm more interested in what was her workout regimen. - Oh, it's fucking useless.

It was like, I can't remember what she was doing. She's like really, really light little weights, just like flapping around. It wasn't anything good, but she was, she was compromised. - See, one of the schools I worked at, she...

- That's our local MP. And she came when she was, I think she was secretary state or home secretary, one of them. She pulled up in a fucking armored car. Like, I'm out there, like a twat, you know, like an inflatable, not inflatable, but a big puffer height of his jacket.

(laughing) Like, waving the cars into the car park for this, like, I think it was like presentation and we evening celebration awards evening. And she came to do like the keynote speech. And I'm waving on the cars through it.

And in this big fucking armored car, just with drives past me, like completely ignores me. I'm like, oh, that'd be three to make before she's prime minister opts. And like, how am I a fallen?

Like, that level of like personal protection that she had. - I shattered her face. (laughing) - It's when I was training a lot, eating a lot of eggs, a lot of meat, a lot of protein. (laughing) - I took years off her life, she could've been a smoker.

- Yeah, she was like, fuck Saddam Hussein, he's got weapons and master shots. (laughing) Like, forgive me for this, but I do feel a bit sorry for her. Because I don't think she was part of the game.

Like, whereas Liz Truss knew exactly what she was doing. She knew that she was only going to be in for a month or two. - Right. - Like probably she probably thought she was going to get six months or a year.

She didn't think it would be 40 days or whatever. - Yeah. - She knew she was coming in to fuck some shit up and then get kicked out. - Yeah, yeah. - Like, she knew that, whereas Theresa May, I think she was a willing pawn who was played because she hasn't retired.

- Right. - She stayed on as an MP, whereas, oh, Liz Truss was just fucked up, Liz Truss, by the way, who started out as a member of the Liberal Democrat pie. - Okay. - Like, how would you start being a libertarian?

I mean, the Lib Dems, to me, are not libertarian anymore. - No, Liz. - They're fucking useless. They are just labor woke. But she started off, like, moaning about monarchy and how it shouldn't be, they shouldn't be this.

And then she's just like the most fucking corporate captured politician. - That's just not the other you, just to get in. - I don't know, I think some people are just like, well, power corrupts, absolutely power corrupts, absolutely.

When are we going to learn this? That we shouldn't be putting people in charge of shit. But, yeah, like, I do have a weird kind of respect for Theresa May, I don't think she knew she was being played as much as she was, whereas, like, Liz Truss, Rissy Schoonak, Boris Johnson, they're all fucking evil cunts.

- Yeah. - They're just in there, in it for the money. Just ripping us off, left, right, and sent her, like, Guy Fawkes. Have you watched V for Vendetta recently? - I watched it, probably, I watched it during COVID, actually.

- See, that is a perfect time to watch that, because the virus thing is freaky how appropriate. - Yeah, it's actually a very good movie. It was a good time to watch it. I think it was just after I'd come back from that Bitcoin beach, that first one.

And, like, everyone there was, like, obviously anti-bax, and, like, we were just, like, completely ignoring the rules, and just, like, out there. And it was, like, it was actually so refreshing, and then I remember coming back and watching that, and I was just like, fuck this shit.

I went through my face a bit, like, fuck this, and then just being like, ah, just let it play out. - So you're ahead of me, because you were saying things, and I was like, I can't believe you're saying that.

I can't believe, I remember saying to someone, well, I've got a friend who says taxation is theft. I mean, come on, what, what, like, now I'm like, taxation is theft, government is tyranny, war is mass murder, like, all of it, like, every single thing, but, yeah.

- Yeah, I feel like my views are becoming less extreme. - Really? - No, no, I was in, they're the same views as they were. I feel like they're becoming more normalized. - See, you know, what you were saying about the cold conspiracy theory, actually, like, I've come across quite a few normies, and I tell you which one it is

that brought us everyone together, Jeffrey Epstein. - Good card. - Good, great guy, lovely, lovely man. - Hopefully, she only killed himself. (laughing) - I'm completely unrelated, no. How are the Clintons doing right now?

- You're drawing some pizza, probably. - Yeah, I probably should shut up a while, kill myself. (laughing) But, like, that, that has come right, like, that one, the fact that it's never talked about in the media, but everyone knows about it.

Everybody knows about it. That's the one, like, people know, and that's the one that unites them, is because everyone knows that one. And when it gets to about the kids. - I couldn't go into that one, 'cause it just fucks my head up too much.

My missus went down that, the pizza gate and all that shit. That was in, I think it was, like, over time, when she was going down that rabbit hole, just 'cause she was, like, locked in the house.

And she, like, kept telling me stuff, and I was like, look, you don't need to tell me, I know the shit that goes on, but I don't wanna know the specific, I just don't wanna, I actually don't wanna know about it, 'cause I was so involved in, like, fucking hell, what they're doing with the CBDC, what they're doing with the lockdowns,

the borrowers in the air. My stress levels were, like, really high. I was falling out with all family and friends, and I was doing them all the time. All this, and I was like, I want my freedom, like, I'm a freedom maximus, and, like, being told what I can and can't do.

I was like, fuck, I was getting arguments every day about the masks, all this shit. I was like, jazz, yeah, I can't take anymore. I don't actually wanna know, especially when it comes to kids.

And, like, that's the thing that looked like, God, that's the worst thing. I didn't get any worse than that in my head, so I'm just like, I'm just fucking know about it. It seems like that, like, black male is the currency.

- I mean, it's pretty obvious that Epstein was involved in some intelligence operations and agencies, whether that was CIA or Mossad, so the Israeli Special Forces, but the way, the idea that they compromise key individuals.

- Yeah. - And one thing, I think it was what's with Brand. Did you watch much of this content? Do you find him a prick? - No, no, no, no, no, I used to really like Brand, like, years ago, when I used to watch somebody stand up, and I was like, he's fucking funny, actually.

And then I started to find that he, like, was, I know he's, like, part of his show is, like, he's a bit pompous, and he, like, loves me. - Yeah. - And then it's, like, part of the thing a bit like Shabay's and like that.

- Yes. - But there was a point where I was like, you're becoming too verbose and too, that I just switched off from end. But then I did watch a show, I think it was, I don't know, what, it was just Rogan where he was on there, and I was like, 'cause he used to talk over people all the time, and I was like, it's a bit annoying,

but he was much better that time. And I was like, no, I like you again. - Yeah, he's doing well. Like, it's interesting you drew the same comparison that I would, which is Gevais, like, I love Gevais, but my misses can't stand Gevais or Brand, because of their caricature, and their overblown, over the top personality, the pretentiousness.

- It's part of a joke, they're doing it on purpose. - Well, Brand isn't, Brand, by his own admission, he is a very egotistical, self-obsessed person. He talks about that openly, honestly, and I got a respect for that, but yeah, he's annoying.

Like, I never, like, my journey with these kinds of characters that I normally don't like them to start with, and then I get the joke, and I see through it, and I understand it. - He does the trues, doesn't he?

- Trues. - Trues, isn't that his show? It's like not the news, it's the trues. - Oh. - He does like a spin on this, like, he does a new show, but it's not the news, it's the trues, the truth about the world, and he, like, that's it.

- He does this thing where he only uses published documentation. - Right. - So he's not ever making things up, or drawing conclusions, he's just, and, like, when you see it laid out, so that, like, I started getting into him a bit more heavily when it was the Nord Stream pipeline.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - He's like, Russia has blown up their own pipeline, and I was like, that's why he seems to make any sense. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - There's video clips of Joe Biden going, if Russia invades Ukraine, that pipeline's gonna close.

- Yeah. - And then the interviewer, like, someone in the audience goes, how, how? And he's like, just trust me, it will. - Yeah. (laughs) - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - They blew up their own pipeline.

And I remember, I was on a train traveling to Birmingham, bizarrely, and I read the news article about this missile that had strayed into Poland, and obviously Ukraine went, it's Russian missile.

- I remember that, yeah. - Yeah, and I was like, what's the betting that's a Ukrainian missile, 100%, and it was fired on purpose. Turns out, well, was it turned out? It's fucking was a Ukrainian, yeah.

But Zelensky's there, go, it was Russian, is Russia an attacker, I'm like, you know, like, we are being pushed so aggressively towards the brink of nuclear war. And there are a lot of voices, like Russell Brand, like Joe Rogan, like RFK, various libertarian voices, who are standing up and saying it.

And then, you know what you get? It's like, oh, you're just using Putin talking points, or you're that, oh, you're a right winger. You're a right winger. - Yeah. - That's the bizarre thing is, when I meet people, now, 'cause I'm now four head-on into libertarianism.

Well, like, I love the part of the problem podcast. I don't know if you know that, Dave Smith. - Yeah, but I haven't listened to it. - It's a good one, it's a good one. And it's very interesting, 'cause one of the things they do is they're, so like, if you're attacking the right, you attack them from the right.

So right-wing people, you attack them with right-wing ideas. Left-wing people, you attack them with left-wing ideas. You never attack from the opposite side. - Right, right. - But what happens is now, now that you've kind of got a real clear viewpoint, which is like, look, I believe in ultimate freedom until the point where it--

- Interfereses in the house. - Absolutely. So I'll speak to someone, and if they're a bit right-wing, they'll be like, oh, this guy's on my team. And you'll talk to them, and then they'll get, they'll open up a little bit, and then they'll be like, oh, hang on a minute, you're a fucking communist.

You're fucking Marxist. Like, yeah, you socialist, and then they'll back off. But the opposite will happen. You'll talk to someone who's super woke and left-wing. And initially, they're like, oh, you're just like me.

You understand, believe in, like, everyone should have their own, like, tolerance and-- - Yeah, and Rachel, what? - Like, yeah, and then all of a sudden you'll say something, and then they'll be like, oh my God, you're a fucking fascist Nazi Trump supporter.

And like, I'm not even American, right? - Yeah. - So it's very bizarre, and I think that is the real trick that the mainstream media have pulled, is trying to present it as a left-right paradigm.

Like, there's only two sides. - Yeah. - But whereas we know it's just two ends of the same fucking deal that I used to fuck you up the ass. - Yeah. - But actually, if you look at the political spectrum, you've got, you know, libertarianism, it's not in the middle, it's something separate, something different, but you're trying to--

- Middle ground to either of those, they're kind of the same thing, they just fuck you in slightly different flavors. - No, yeah. - They're like, yeah, a double-ended deal, they're one side's red, one side's blue.

- Yeah. - They're just the same outcome. - Well, it's like government should have control either to give all the power to the elite, or government should have control to give all the power to the people.

It's like, no, the government should have the minimum amount of control, the government should be as small as possible, because they cause all the problems. - And that's why I think, you know, like, early stages of the Bitcoin stuff, like, when I came, like, running to you, I was like, oh, I'm talking about, like, government,

and, like, taking away their money, and, like, that you're not gonna have a pension, and, like, the early days where I was, like, a fucking badger. - Like, can we actually take a moment, like, because the way that you and I met, we were met by, we introduced by a mutual friend, because you wanted to know how to use Bitcoin,

purchase things, and I was already-- - Like, you were already purchasing that. - Still am to this day, but I don't use Bitcoin anymore. - Yeah, you use an error. - I know, and I'm just gonna say it, I love Monero.

- Yeah, I am, this is obviously gonna go low on my show. I talk about Monero on the show. - Do you? - I think I've probably won on the end of the podcast, who's like, 'cause the thing is, like, my show focuses quite a lot on the privacy side.

- Yeah. - And, like, in reality, like, most of the privacy guys that I know in Bitcoin either use Monero, even though they know how to use Bitcoin well, and, you know, but they use Monero, or at least their respect, that it's there for a reason, and it has its use.

- Yeah. - But there is, like, a quite a big cultural thing in Bitcoin where, like, everything that is in Bitcoin is a shick on Monero. - You have to be a Bitcoin Max, yes. - Yeah, like, you know, if you use anything, or think about anything, like, other than Bitcoin, then, like, you know, you should be, like, starting to weather.

- It's backmed, yeah. - Yeah, but it's good. The truth is, like, it has its place, and it's useful for things like, if you've got your, like, toxic change, and things like that, and Samara will, like, you're like, what do I do with this?

And it's like, well, okay, you can do an XML swap, and, you know, there are all, like, if someone's, you know, using Bitcoin privately is very fucking hard. Even if you're, like, a nerd about it, it's really, it's not easy, like, people say this, but it's not.

There's so many, like, ways to fuck up. So if someone is in a life or death situation, someone who is, like, buying something that the government wouldn't want them to buy, why not use it?

I find it annoying to, like, pinch and hold things into, like, it's not Bitcoin, it doesn't mean it's, like, the best investment in the world. It just means, like, it's fucking useful, just, like, a gun can be useful, cash can be useful, or a fucking car can be useful.

Well, you can't invest in a car because it's not Bitcoin. It's, like, yeah, no, but it doesn't quite useful job for me. I guess we've made a bit of it, but it kind of doesn't do that. So, yeah, but anyway, yeah.

So you actually helped me with that. - I've already fucking around with it, but you weren't. - Like, I purchased my first, you know, online sports goods in 2016 when the Bitcoin price was in the hundreds.

I fucking gutted about that because, you know, the memes where you're like, oh, I could have, like, four Tesla's by now, if I didn't spend it all on, like, moon rocks of MDMA. Not that that meme applies, 'cause I was buying sporting goods.

Yeah, I found, I told you, I found that the dust in a wallet, I kind of finally managed to get into this wallet and get the dust, and it was like 20 quid and change. Like, it must have been, like, pennies at the time.

But, you know, like, I believe in a two coin system, like Bitcoin and Monero, because the strength of Bitcoin is its weakness, because the visibility, you need the visibility in order to have that proof of reserves.

Do you know what I mean? Like, we have these issues with companies faking much money, like, yeah, the legend. You need to have that visibility in order to have transparency in the financial system.

So Bitcoin provides that kind of stake. It's the treasury. It's like, we know how much money you've got, 'cause this is your store of value. So Bitcoin is a store of value. I would never invest in Monero and use it as a store of value.

I think that would be dumb. But in terms of, like, a way of transacting and sending money is way faster, way cheaper. And it's way, way, way more secure and anonymous. So to me-- - So it's a secure, I think you can say anonymous.

- Well, what-- - It's not more secure. - No, you're right, it's the same security. - No, it's not, it's not as censorship-resistant. It's not as secure. But it's-- - It's more censorship-resistant.

Well, because of the GPU-- - No, it's not. It's not. Because-- - I'm gonna defer to your knowledge. - Yeah, but in my opinion, if a government wanted to attack Monero, if you wanna attack Monero using GPU, like graphics cards and shit, they can comfortably take control of a huge amount of graphics cards in data centers

anywhere else at any time and take control of that network. If they wanna do the same with Bitcoin, they would have to actually produce specific, or A6. - Yeah. - And they'd have to do that in a covert manner, and they'd have to get a ridiculous amount of power, and they'd have to do it without anyone knowing,

and then they'd have to get control of that network somehow. It's a million times harder, I don't know about a million. It's way fucking harder. They'd have to coordinate globally across all the different governments, blah, blah, blah.

It's really hard. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm really fucking hard, but it's Monero. - I don't get what you're saying. - It's not, so when I say like, I think it's cheaper to transact in general, I don't use it, but supposedly, faster, definitely more private, navigate, like no question.

You can use Bitcoin privately, but it's hard. Like, it's not, and it's like, also, some people don't actually want to learn how to run a node and do that in the proper way, and then run samurai or sparrow, wallet, and then learn how to manage those UTXOs and make sure they don't link things and blah, blah, blah.

Some people just want to buy drugs. It's like, if you just want to do that-- - They would do that. - Oh, dirty dirty. - Fuck you. - Scumbags. - Scumbags, but all, they just want to fucking have some privacy, which is like, you know, so yeah, I don't hate on there at all.

- So you're like, again, that phrase that I used earlier, is strength is its weakness. So to me, like, the ASIC-resistant aspect of the XMI network, where you can't use the specific built chips, you have to use a GPU to be a miner, that's a kind of strength, because what it encourages is community mining

and community networking, because Bitcoin has become quite centralized and poor, like most of the mining networks are in China. - No, no, no. - Really? - Yeah. - Does this change? - No, it's changed a lot a lot.

There's a lot in all of that. - But they are, they are still major farms, they look like a centralized. - Well, it's more centralized than I'd like it to be, in terms of location, just because of the cost of power.

- Yes, but you've still got these major, like, you've got these huge Bitcoin farms that are quite dominant, right? - Yeah, but there's multiple pools. - Yeah, I agree with that. - I agree with that.

I mean, like, I run a show called Club Mining Monthly, which is specifically about getting Bitcoin miners, home miners to run setups to have them in home, and then use that as their heating, and finding all these clever ways to make it more profitable for them, blah, blah, blah, like a whole show around it, 'cause I think it's important.

It's definitely like something that I consider, but I think when I look at it, I look at the trade-offs, I'm like, I'm way, way more comfortable with Bitcoin security, censorship resistance than I am with something like an arrow.

I was just, but I'm not. I'm not. I don't care, basically. - No, you've not got a dog in the fight. You want a decentralized currency network, and there could be 10 coins, as long as they're built around solid principles, and that's the thing, Bitcoin's built around solid principles, Monero's built around solid principles,

I haven't yet to come across a third coin. - Yeah, me too. I don't, there's nothing else. - There's no other coins where I'm like, the principles are sound. - Yeah. - And that's the thing, I was like, they could be 10, and as long as they are built around core values that make sense that-- - Is it useful for some people,

like, does it give more people some people more freedom? And if it does, then I'm like, cool. - Yeah, I mean, there's possible, I don't quote me on this, it's possible that the Ethereum network could potentially have some use case for smart contracts.

- I think it's sure. - Yeah, well, I'll tell you a word for that. It's possible, like, I agree, I'm happy to agree, 'cause I think they will. - But again, like, I don't really, I've changed my opinion on it a little bit, where I'm like, I only have Bitcoin, I only use Bitcoin, I only invest in Bitcoin.

But, I don't care what anyone else does. - No. - Because I believe enough in the technology, if I'm worried about someone else using another coin and investing in that and pumping it, like, yeah, I feel bad when it's obvious, pumping dumps, and I feel bad for people, I'm like, yeah, you're gonna get roughed here,

and there's like, complete cunts who are fucking, just like, they're just thieves and crap. Yeah, it's annoying. - It takes for credibility away from those. - It's annoying, but then at the same time, I'm like, well, if I don't believe in any sort of government or any sort of regulation or anything like that,

then I have to accept the shit, like, that's gonna happen, and that the world's gonna regulate itself, but people are gonna have to learn. And so, in that case, if I'm running around spending my time shouting at shit coiners, then I feel like, just fucking waste of time, which is like-- - We're not gonna get anywhere, are you?

Like, one thing I've realized, you can't tell people things? - No. - Yeah, I mean, you can try, and then you can slow, you can send the message, but they don't get it. People have to get it for themselves.

- Yeah. - And that's the thing. The more often, the more you tell someone-- - The more they push it away. - Exactly, so I've adopted a personal policy of neutrality, because if I were to go, right, listen, I need to talk to you about this issue.

I'm gonna make it worse. So, by being completely Swiss about it, completely neutral, I am doing something because I'm preventing it from getting worse, by trying to have interventionless foreign policy, America.

You just sort of sit back, and there is this thing of active passiveness. So, actually, I'm going to not engage with that behavior. I'm going to pull myself out of that, and my absence is my action.

- That's what I was saying to you about with politics, and people thought about politics. - Yeah, that's right. - Okay, they're all counts, don't vote. - Don't vote. - It's the same, but that annoys people as well.

I need to get this. - Yeah, yeah, go for it, do you want to force? - Yeah. - Okay. - And we've got to do the clap. - All right, so three, two, one, right. So, they're all counts. - Don't vote, they're all counts.

I totally agree. - Okay. All right, so let's get into some more conspiracy things. Can we talk about the big one that I want to really talk about? - Go. - 'Cause this is one I know you've actually - All right, I got it.

- Gived into it. - I'm not interested. - Climate change. - Oh. - It would be interesting to hear your perspective on it, 'cause I know you'd be looking into it. I'm open to it being like, yes, just total bullshit, but I'm also not, but I haven't looked into it enough to be like, I can really fucking talk on the matter.

- Well, like a lot of people over the last couple of years, I guess the whole thing, you know, COVID changing your perspective massively when you realize that the narrative that's out there in the mainstream is a lie.

And then you start to question other things, but you need things that make you, like there's got to be some things that catch your attention. So like COVID, I was immediately triggered from the end off because of the fact that it was a coronavirus, like a cold and the cure for the common cold didn't exist

and it never had and it was a joke. So it's like, well, how are we going to cure the common cold? Like even straight away. But with climate change, I never even thought that it was a lie, but I always was completely on board with it all, same with like, oil's going to run out.

I thought oil would run out by now. That's what I was learned at school. I was learned at school. - I wasn't going to correct you. I was like, I've watched you, can't you? - Yeah, they might, to be obvious to listeners that in the break, we suddenly come back sounding a little bit different.

There's a little more natalness to the voice and a little bit more throaty, or rasp. I actually, I have to be honest, like I obviously referenced Rogan a lot tonight. Like I still listen to all of his ones where he has a scientist on.

- He's good, I like him. - And it was one particular guy, Kunis. And there was a lot of things that he talks about that then you then go looking for. So there's events in the past like thousand years.

They're like the late medieval warm period and the Roman warm period. So there was a time work, so warm in Britain that you could grow like large amounts of grapes here in UK. I mean, like right now, you could probably fucking - Yeah, it's pretty hot now.

- Was it fucking hot? - Yeah. And it's an interesting one because I've got a mate, you know, he challenges me on it. He's like quite hardcore. I don't know, his political views, but he's always been very critical of things.

He was one, like back in the day, hated the fact that the TV license. I've bullshit as people in prison for not paying the TV license. - Yeah, I fucking hate the TV license. - That one really pisses me off.

But he pushes back on the old climate change one a lot because he's like, well, it's getting hotter. And it's like it is. It does get hotter every year. We do seem to be breaking records.

But the question is, is that caused by human action and human intervention? And it's like, well, we know that we have been released to CO2, but like, one of the things that strikes me is we think that we are now putting out more CO2 than we've ever been doing before.

That's not true. Like in particular places like London, like in the 1890s, like early 1900s, we're fucking churning out, like, burning coal. - Yeah. - Just burning it. You know, like the pea supers.

You don't know what that is, the pea supers? - No, you've heard the term, but it was like smog in London, right? - Yeah, so like smoke would mix with the fog till it formed like a kind of mixture in the air.

But when the sun would shine on it, the energy from the light would cause changes in the chemical reactions. So there'd be changes in the composition of this cloud. And it would start to form really poisonous harmful gases.

- Right, okay. - So it would take on like a greenish color. - Oh, shit, okay. - And that's why it was called a pea supers. - I never heard of that. - So you had toxic smog clouds like blowing through London.

Like I remember seeing in like a book, like these pictures of police officers were like, things wrapped around their face, like proper, like, you know, like ninja style face masks. - Yeah.

- And like in a cloud, just under a lamp, certainly like, you know, it's a white pea super. It was a phrase to reference the really, like people died in those smogs. - Yeah, yeah. - They like killed them.

So the idea that we are producing more CO2 per minute now, like there are more people. - But we, but could that not be like plain devil's advocate? Like, could it not be that like China and India and wherever are still just fucking churning?

- Well, yeah. - And maybe we may be cleaner in the West or wherever like in parts, but it is possible that we are creating more. - Okay, let me put it this way, right? - But it doesn't mean that it's the course.

- Primordial atmosphere of the earth, right? So before there was any life, so we're going back like four billion years now, right? So the universe is about 14 billion years old. They took about 10 billion years before our earth and like formed in our solar system.

So about four billion years. And then probably about a billion years into its cool down is starting to get like, no, it's like about two or three billion years in. It starts to get life on it, right?

Before there was life, earth's atmosphere had no oxygen and no nitrogen. It was basically all carbon monoxide methane. - Okay. - Why, it was proper an ammonia. - Okay. - So it was a complete shit shut in terms of the atmosphere would have been super insulating.

- Yeah. - Why, it's the earth was super duper hot. So the earth is like, that's the extreme level it's at now. That's when it started, there was literally no oxygen, almost all greenhouse gases.

- Yeah. - Right, now you've got a state where you've got now, what percentage do you think of the, going from 100% greenhouse gases to where we are today? What percentage of the atmosphere do you think is a greenhouse gas?

- I genuinely don't know, but I guess like 10%. - 10%, you would think because of the alarm is a, that's what the, you know, 10% of our atmosphere is greenhouse gases. - Right. - It's less than half a percent.

- Okay. - Probably less than like a 10th of a percent. In what, that's how much is carbon monoxide? - Carbon dioxide. - Carbon dioxide. So why, so plants don't really eat a lot then? 'Cause there's a fucking lot of plants and they're big.

- Well, I mean, why's they eat less than humans? Not eat, but you know what I mean? - They take it in, yeah. - 'Cause that's not a lot. - Well, I mean, we have carbon sinks. So they're like, there's not just like, in order for like the atmosphere to change, the evolution of earth's atmosphere over time,

you know, as I said, it started off with no oxygen. So you get plants bringing in the carbon dioxide. - So plants were first. - Well, I mean, you just got bacteria and stuff like that. But you first, you got bacteria kind of fixing the ammonia.

So you've got the nitrogen cycle. It occurs to me, 'cause right there, you've got some bioactive fish tanks in my bedroom here. - Of course. - No filters. And then they all work on the establishment of two cycles, the nitrogen cycle and the carbon cycle.

So the nitrogen cycle is you've got nitrifying bacteria who work on like ammonia. And so that's like a lot of fecal map. But it's nitrogen based. So the nitrogen is the central molecule in that thing.

And there's energy released in this cycle. And then you've got a carbon cycle that builds on top of it. So you probably had nitrogen-based life first, which was then superseded by carbon-based life.

But they kind of work on top of each other. So what you've got, as I said, the early atmosphere is like ammonia, which is nitrogen and hydrogen and carbon dioxide, all in the atmosphere. And then you get this first form of life that starts pulling in the ammonia and turning it into nitrogen.

Hydrogen is nice and neutral, super Swiss. Nitrogen is super inert. And what they've done is they've taken all that ammonia, turned it into nitrogen and that's 80% of our atmosphere. Now, 80% of our atmosphere is completely inert, dead gas.

Nitrogen does fuckle. - Okay. - Well, it's two nitrogen molecules, but they're triple bonded together. - Okay. - That means that they're super locked down. - Okay. - They've got this, they're not just bonded, they're triple bonded.

So you can run, when you run air through a fire, like an engine, it's taking in all the nitrogen as well. And then even the extreme heat at the engine, those don't really degrade very much.

They do produce some like nitrous oxide compounds. So 80% of our air. - Doesn't nitrous oxide burn hotter than... - You can, well, if you inject nitrous oxide into the engine, it's the oxygen that's bringing that helps it burn.

- So it burns faster. - But if you're bringing nitrogen into an engine, it's reacting with the oxygen just because of the heat. - Right, okay. - Yeah, but like, and you're forming nitrous oxide, but if you form nitrous oxides and then inject them into the engine, they're bringing oxygen with them.

- Okay. - All right, so that's what makes it burn faster. - But so 70% of the... - 80. - 80% of the atmosphere is... - Nitrogen, which is just pointless. Does nothing. - Yeah. - Not pointless, but like, yeah, it doesn't affect anything.

And then what percent is oxygen? - Like 19.9. - Okay. And then half a percent is... - Well, there's like up to 1% of other stuff. - Which would include carbon dioxide. - Yeah, but like, it also includes radioactive argon.

- Okay, what's that? - Like, there were certain elements like helium that don't bond with anything. So they're monotonic. So they're just like... - Bounce around. - Yeah, but they're literally small as fuck.

- Right. - So even the heaviest one of them, 'cause they don't join up with each other, that makes them super small and light. So they're almost always gases. And they're like, heavier. They tend to get more radioactive.

So you've got helium is an example. Xenon, Krypton, you know, all the things that are losing neon signs. But when you get lower down, you get to radon, which is like radioactive. - So you've got all those things flying around and oxygen and carbon dioxide.

- Yeah, but like less than 1% way less. - So the climber alarmist people would say, yeah, but there's too much is dangerous because you've got too much. And if we continue like we are, then in 2012 and 2020 and 2030, we're gonna be the world's ended.

- Well, I saw this article today that said we've passed the climate threshold. We've passed the point of no going back again. (both laughing) - I don't know if that was written. - Was that a radical or?

- I don't think it was because I have a work laptop and there's like a little bar on the bottom where she mouse hovers over to get all the news. Man, it is super mainstream narrative. Like everything's like, oh my God, yes.

But because it's like, it's integrated to windows, isn't it? So it's like, wherever Bill Gates wants you to see, it's fucking hilarious. - Brilliant. - It is like, I've started like turning off certain media outlets because they're just never gonna, they're never gonna appeal to me.

- But so we go and pass that threshold again. - Yeah. - But even though we're already focused, don't drive your car. - Look, I guess the point I'm trying to make, you know, like what I'm saying, like extreme one end is all greenhouse gases.

And they've got the other end where it's almost no greenhouse gases here. Right? And we actually have a dynamic system where the life on earth transforms and changes the atmosphere. That is natural, right?

Before humans were here, you had bacteria fixing the ammonia into nitrogen. You had plants fixing all the methane and carbon dioxide back into oxygen. - Yeah. - And converting the atmosphere, it's the natural order that life forms mess with the atmosphere of the planet.

And yet there's that famous clip. I don't know who he is, this is Australian bloke who's like a millionaire, but he's an old boy and he shouts to people and he's like, - Oh yeah, yeah, I know the guy, I know the guy, yeah.

- Yeah, so the clip is this woman's like, for the first time, what are you and your banker friends gonna do about like climate change? He goes, "Thank you, sit down." And she just keeps going, "No, no, I'm not finished."

- Yeah, I do. - And she goes, I'm like, the first time there's nobody's been changing its atmosphere. And it's like, it's not the first time that an organism has changed the atmosphere. Like, this is what we do.

This is the natural process of life. And in actual fact, what we've got now, it's a super dynamic, super stable system, right? I mentioned my kind of weird bioactive fish tank aquarium. They're super stable.

If you take a small tank of water, right, and put a load of fish in there with no plants, they'll die. So in order to keep them going, you need a fucking artificial filter to like, clean up the water and all this kind of stuff.

And then, if you put too much food in, they can die. Do you know what I mean? Because the food rots and then creates pollution in it. I can throw as much food as I want into these fish tanks because they are fully planted, right?

They have enough, and like, if it's too much shit, the plants just take it up. - It's a free market. - Yeah, and if there's not enough shit, they'll eat the plants. - I'm gonna have a look at them actually.

- You should have lights behind them. - Well, I mean, they go to sleep. They have a timer on the lights. - Ah, okay, I want some. I know, you can just switch it on. - Sorry, you've got that little helus I feel shocked, isn't it, that one?

- That's type of catfish. But yeah, it got a better splendor's. Like, when I was a kid, they were called Siamese fighting fish. - Oh, yeah, yeah. - Siamese Thailand. - You can't keep two mouths together.

- No, if we put these two fuckers together. - No, it's got Captain America up here with his red, white, balloon. - What's that one called? - This one's called Floki Jr. - Okay. - It's Floki died.

And then you've got. - Yeah, they're pretty cool. These are much more interesting than a normal fish tank as well. - Yeah. - You know, what I normally see with like a fake little rock, shit, or like some of the pointers.

This is like mainly green. I'll take pictures of it in the show notes. - But like, it's a really nice niche model for like what we're talking about with the Earth. Like, when you have a proper biological system that's started from the bottom up, right?

So you need soil, you need plants, and you need the animals, right? If we don't have the animals, it doesn't feel like work. Now, we looked at three tanks. The bottom tank is the biggest one with loads and loads of life forms and actually the plant growth in there is insane.

- Yeah. - Because the plant life forms pure carbon dioxide and the plants respond by taking it in. There are estimates that like say, for example, the country of Canada, like the carbon dioxide output from burning fossil fuels is less than the carbon dioxide input from all of the trees alone in the country.

- Right, okay. - So plants do thrive and take on carbon dioxide. So actually, there's a lot of evidence that the planet is greener now because it's warmer and there's higher levels of carbon dioxide.

- More food for them. - Yeah, it makes sense. - Yeah, there's more, so, rape them, in fact, and for photosynthesis are sunlight, temperature, carbon dioxide, or water level. So as long as they've got like enough of everything.

And it's not that the world's getting hotter and drier, why? - I knew you were the dog. - Yeah, it's the dog. We've got a king child, so she snores. When, like, the idea that we've been sold with climate change is like, we're gonna turn into a desert, right?

But what has actually happened? - It's the opposite. - Yeah, now they've stopped calling it global warming. As well as it keeps global warming. Climate change, as we get more storms now. - Ah, changing the narrative.

- Yeah, it used to be called global warming. - Wasn't it before something about we were gonna hit an ice age if we keep doing what we're doing? Didn't they do the global cooling was even before that?

- Well, I mean-- - Pretty sure. - What's a bigger risk to humanity? Is it that the temperature drops and the temperature goes up? - The temperature goes down is way worse. - Yeah, yeah. - This was one of the things that coonist guy actually sells the, sort of, destroying the narrative of climate change on.

He's like, "You know how many people die a year of cold?" The predictions for the number of people that die or should we forget what-- - Actually probably, elderly, that fucks them up. - Way more, yeah, like, if the temperature goes up, people, there'll be less cold deaths.

- Yeah. - And you'd use less energy for heating. - Yeah, it makes sense. Those are old people who can't afford to heat their flats or whatever. They die from it, because it makes a big difference to them 'cause they're so weak. - Yeah, yeah.

- Like, it fucks them up. Whereas, yeah, it's a bit hot. It's like, it's a fucking hot today. - Yeah. - But that's all right. I was like, "I didn't know it was nice." - Yeah, I mean, there was one doctor who put some woman died of heat stroke and he put climate change on the deficit, if you could.

So that was like-- - And COVID, probably. - Probably. We heard the one about them swabbing a suicide, like a guy jumped off a building and this nurse is like, "What did you swab?" - That's fucking amazing.

I've seen one where there's a car crash and then it was like, they do this COVID. And also like stage four cancer patients and stuff like that. So going back to like what we were saying before about people being, I do think people are way more into it because COVID was shoved into your face.

Like the lies and the media narrative were shut in your face and then everyone knows it. Like everyone knows it in their heart, whether they want to admit it or not. They know that the vaccine didn't work, lockdown didn't work. - Yeah.

- They were lied to and they went along with it and they believed it. I think a lot of people are a little bit embarrassed. - Probably some people, yeah. But I think the majority of people just generally still haven't worked out.

I do actually think that, I think the majority, honestly, mate, I think you overestimate people's ability to see this stuff. - I think it's 'cause you're incredibly middle class. If you knew more working class-- - Not middle class, mate, I'm upper class.

- Yeah, I'm sorry, mate, yeah. - I'm a fucking kid. - You better. - I do think, like not like classless persons, but perhaps if you've mixed in a bit more working class circles, you should probably do with the people you work with on a-- - Couldn't work with more working class people.

- Yeah, exactly. Those people, like the people you meet at the pub and people in the hairdressers that like normal supermarket, like working in retail people, they're all fucking talking about it.

- Firstly, I mix with much more normal people than like my voice sounds like. (laughing) Like I don't actually have like tea with the queen. And secondly, yeah, like it's true, like the more comfortable people are and the more like normal white-collar jobs they had through COVID, the easier and better their life was.

In that time and the easier and better their life is, as a general rule, the government and the structure benefits them much more generally than it does working class people. So they're more receptive to the government, whereas a lot more working class people get fucked harder and their moms and dads got fucked harder

and their moms and dads got fucked harder. So they're more likely to grow up in a situation where like, they're like, yeah, fuck the government, can't. They're much more, so they're much more willing to understand that like it's bullshit.

- Well, middle class people are still fairly comfortable. Like if you've got middle class salary. - Yeah, exactly. They got furloughed. They were like, yeah, let's stay at home and fucking play video games.

- Yeah, let's be honest. Like I'm like, yeah, things are tight. I'm not struggling. - No. - Do you know what I mean? I do all right. And I do, 'cause I do have a job that pays quite well.

And then so the people that have mixed with through work are also similarly in that situation. They're quite like they can afford to not worry about it and not see. They literally can. - Yeah, yeah, I think also just like, it's that trusting.

They're just like, or maybe it's also like, you have to deal with a bit more bullshit. So your bullshit radar goes off more quickly. 'Cause a lot more like all the builders and plumbers and fucking electricians and roofers and anyone who I deal with, they all be like, yeah, it's fucking bullshit, mate.

- Do you know what I think it's more like, it's the meme where you have the bell curve, the normal distribution. - Yeah. - It's like the real, I don't know, it's like badly drawn meme head on the left.

- Yeah, yeah. - It's like, oh, anyone's being charged and then in the middle, you've got like the normal people who are like, I think the government should be a charge and there is the guy with the hood, like no earthly master.

So like, there is this kind of weird overlap where you're simple enough to just see it for what it is. - Yeah. - And then as you get more intelligent, you'll more easily fall. - Yeah, it makes sense.

- And then like, so you have a lot of people in the middle who are actually really intelligent, but they have way more easy to fall and then you've got the people on the other end of the spectrum who see through it or because they're actually critical thinkers.

But there's this weird synergy between like people, you know, like, like I was saying, you know, people who aren't perhaps academic and like people who are who can like sort of go, there was an old sketch.

It was the Ronnie's and if I can make you from John Cleese who weren't your boyfriend, it's like I'm up a class and I look down on him and I'm middle class. I look up to him, but I look down on him and he's like, I'm working class, I know my place.

But like nowadays I feel like the middle class are just so lost and on their own. They don't really fuck in, they get fucked in the arse or on boat like from the top and then they're loving it.

- Nothing wrong with that mate. - You bigger.

- I'm a drink to that. - But no, it's true. They are, I think they are more easily fooled 'cause it's just like life's easy, you know? - Yeah. - So, yeah, I agree with that. And they're also the ones that are like constantly fucking banging on about climate change and stuff like that.

And they're all like, - That's very important to the choice you signal about like, oh, I've got an electric car and, you know, I'm only buying organic and I'm doing it. It's like, that's fine.

But like, you can afford to do that. If you can't afford to do that, you can't go and buy a fucking 60 grand electric car. You've got your 20 year old banger or you haven't got one at all.

And you can't afford to go and eat free range or organic fucking wild-fished salmon. (laughs) You know what I mean? Like, you just like, well, I just get what feeds the family. Is that Lazlo's hierarchy of needs?

- Yeah. - It's like, where on Lazlo's hierarchy of needs is like, I'm not sure which one of the 28 genders I am. - You know what I mean? It's like, you haven't got, you don't worry about that.

- If you're fucking... - You're straining to Andrew Tate territory. He's like, do you think that's a kid in Africa who doesn't know about his gender identity? Do you think the kids in Africa have anxiety?

- Probably not. - Well, they don't 'cause they can't afford to. - That's what I'm saying. They're not, they're not, they're so far from, you have to have the luxury to decide if you're a fucking zebra or not.

Like, you just can't... - Unless you're a zebra. - Unless you are a zebra. But I don't think they're worried about it. They're just like, I am. I know my place. (laughing) But yeah, so if you, like, if I talk to...

Take the Bitcoiners out 'cause a lot of them have the same thoughts, but I would say I'm skeptical about the climate change stuff. Haven't dug into it enough to be like, yeah, definitely, I'm sure it is or it isn't.

So I'm just like, it's probably bullshit. That's where I am. But I'm not gonna argue the point 'cause it's not my area of expertise. But if I said it, I would say, probably still 95% of people in the UK, they'd be like, you're a fucking idiot.

- Let's be honest. Like, I can't argue the toss. Like, I'm not signing studies here. But like, let's take one example, okay? So you talk about the electric car, right? 'Cause that's better for the environment, is it?

- Well, apparently. - Well, let's put it this way, right? The fuel efficiency of a coal-fired power plant is about 50, maybe 60%. So in terms of the energy that's in the coal and the energy that finally gets extracted and put into a natural grid, you're losing half to 40% of it.

- Right. - So it's just been wasted. It's like the heat into the atmosphere. - It's inefficient transfer. - It's completely inefficient. - Tell me this then, just before it's like sort of tangent quickly.

- Yeah. - Is it true, then that energy goes somewhere. So that is just turns in, 'cause energy can't be destroyed. That's right. - Yeah. - So is it heat? - Yeah. - Okay, so that inefficiency creates more heat.

Is that one of the things that the climaty people are like? - Well, I don't think, because the earth does radiate, heat. So, I don't know if-- - Is it the inefficiency that we can produce by the releasing is significant enough.

I've never heard anyone suggest that before. That the actual thermal energy releases is contributing to climate change. It's all about what we're affecting is the way the energy flows in and out of the planet.

- Right. - 'Cause the general effect of climate change of the specific greenhouse gases was always a bit confusing to me, because it's like, sound like it comes in, and then it can't go out.

That's the story, is 'cause you've got a blanket of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. So the sunlight comes in, but it can't go out because of the blanket, but it's like, I always had the questions like, - Where does it go then?

- How does it get in? If it can't get out, how does it get in? So, what am I mirror? - Yeah. So what the fuck is going on? And then what it is, is that the infrared light that come in from the sun, when it comes in, it's slightly shorter wavelength.

- Right. - Okay, so it's kind of like the wiggly waves are closer together. It hits the earth, it gets absorbed, and it gets re-emitted as slightly lower energy. - Right. - So that's like a more spaced out wave.

- Okay. - Because it's now got a slightly different wavelength frequency. It's now absorbed by the carbon dioxide. So the carbon dioxide only stops the heat from leaving the, doesn't stop it from coming in.

- Okay. - So what that's doing is changing the rate of which energy in and energy out is balanced. - So they're saying by having more carbon, it's going to block more sun. Or they're saying it's gonna...

- It's gonna, it's like putting a jacket on, and then standing in the sun. - If it can only come in and it can't go out, then wouldn't the rays coming in? It would be harder for them to come in because you've got more of that thing that's stopping them coming in.

- So you want to wear a black bomber jacket and stand in the sun? 'Cause that's kind of like, that's a good analogy of it. So like, if you wore a black bomber jacket and walked out into the blazing midday sun at the moment, you would initially feel a bit of like, "Oh, the sun's not getting to me."

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Until the coat reaches thermally equilibrium. - Oh, so they're saying that. - That coat will stop the rays from coming through, but it will create heat. - It stops it from getting out because if your skin's bare, obviously you can swear and like, but you've got this jacket on.

- Well, I thought we could get it out anyway. - Yeah, like, well, it's still, now it naturally reflects some off, off back into space. - So when you're saying it can't get back out, it can just not that much.

- The theory is, that's my dog. The theory is that greenhouse gases, it's like carbon dioxide, methane, and to some extent water, something like that comes in, hits the surface and reflects back out, okay?

But it prevents it on its way out, like a one-way rarer, as I said earlier. The reason is 'cause it changes color slightly by being absorbed and re-emit. 'Cause you initially asked the question, like, does the output of humans burning coal and stuff actually even have an impact?

- And actually, it's an interesting question. Like, I've never seen it referred to. But we are actually releasing significant amounts of energy, but I don't know if the energy amounts are as impactful as the simple fact that we're creating this blanket that is impact, is working with the percentage of energy of the sun.

- Right. - Because the sun's our main energy input. - Yeah. - So in terms of, is human energy usage affecting our energy? Well, what's the daily input? If it's like a day's worth of energy that we burn in a year, it's nothing, no, it isn't.

So it depends on whether our energy output is significant comparable to the energy input of the sun. 'Cause you asked me that, like, is the energy that's wasted, right, as heaps, contravenes, climate change, which is an interesting question that's something to put a pin in and look back on.

But my point was coal-fired power stations of which, like, provide a lot of energy. They're about 50% efficient. - Yeah. - A car, a, like, petrol car, is way more efficient than that. It's like 75, 80%.

Like, some of them are really, really efficient. - Yeah. - So if you charge an electric car, even if it's 100% efficient, it's still only 50% efficient. - Yeah, if it's produced by a coal-powered power.

- Yeah. - Yeah, there's, I'm in-- - It's in the carbon per mile. - With you on the electric car stuff. - A, they're fucking annoying, they're fucking annoying when you have to charge them.

B, yeah, the whole cobalt thing and how they produce global loans. What do you do with the batteries at the end? All this sort of stuff. And, yeah, a lot of it is produced by coal. So I'm fully on board with, like, electric cars probably are a lot of bullshit.

A lot of it was, like, it was sold. If you get the electric car, then you can go into London and you don't have to pay the congestion charge, and it's gonna save you money on this, and you're just like, okay, that's the smart thing to do.

But so it was fucking diesel, like, 20 years ago, whatever it was. And then it's like, now diesel's the worst thing, so I guess that was kind of like, you could see that coming, but it doesn't sort of the fact that electric cars are fucking fast.

Acceleration on them is a right laugh. - I always have this thought, like, what if you had a blank slate? Someone accidentally, Joe Biden falls over, slips on the red button, right? - That's not gonna happen.

(laughs) He slips on it and that nukes fire off. Like, we just happen to be on a tour of a bunker at the time. - Yeah. - With a bunch of the world's finest mines and a group of bikini models.

So we come out to repopulate the earth, and then we start from a blank slate, and we were like, from a civil engineering perspective, we can design the earth from a fresh with all the knowledge that we have right.

You wouldn't make, like, a transport infrastructure that is so diffuse as we have now. You'd create, like, simple, like, okay, so we'd have, like, an electrified, like, main railway. And, like, we'd have, like, you wouldn't need to charge your car.

Your car would go on the road, and the road would power your car. - Yeah. - You'd have some kind of smart infrastructure like that. - Yeah, because isn't another massive thing is, like, energy loss through power lines.

And the further the lines are from where you want to charge, you lose a percentage of that power. - Yeah, yeah. - So it's actually really fucking inefficient for those reasons as well. It's like, well, how close are you to the source of the power?

'Cause if you're far away, then you're losing a large proportion of what you've created. So even if it's cold and it's 50%, well, what is it by the time it gets to where you want to charge?

- Well, I mean, we have actually a decentralized network of power generation stations all around the country that are connected to a national grid. So is that-- - You still have loss, though.

- Yeah, I know, but I mean, in terms of the way you could do it, they're all, like, the best way to do it without loss is decentralization. And actually, that's what we've got. Like, it's as good as it is going to get.

Like, unless you have power generation, like in your own neighborhood and, like, really micro ones around. I mean, let's be honest, again, if we're designing the infrastructure from the beginning, what you would have is massive amounts of solar wind, like every opportunity to just take, like,

every home would be built with solar panels on the roof, every single one. - Would it, though, like, are they actually-- it doesn't make sense necessarily everywhere, because it's like, what do you have to do to make them?

What do you do once they're not useful anymore? Where do they go? And how fucking useful are they in England? - Well, let's put it this way. You like-- - Two hours a day, three hours a day?

- I say solar panels, like, solar panels. It doesn't necessarily mean photovoltaic cells that turn it into electricity. You would have plenty of those. But you could also be harnessing the energy of sunlight through, like, hot water systems.

- Have you seen those black tubes you got on the roof? - Yeah, that's called a solar panel. - Okay, they're pretty smart. Like, what we call a solar panel is actually a photovoltaic. - Right, okay.

- Whereas, like, a solar heating panel with the tubes. - They're pretty smart. - Yeah, you can make it yourself, you know? - Well, I bet you can. They're really, 'cause they work on basic principles.

It's literally-- - Black solar, yeah, it's sprayed black with a glass block over it. - Smart. - Yeah, you would do more shit like that. - You'd use a lot more natural plants and trees. Like, would you be able to cities?

Would there always be a need for cities? - Not now. - No, but like, this is-- - You can make the argument that there was. - But this is a question that I actually generally thought about the other day, like, if you were doing this, like, grand arc check to, like, we're designing how, like, we've got another planet.

Let's perhaps make it less morbid. Gotta do this at work, 'cause I keep saying, like, I wanna say to people, if I die tomorrow, but what I've said now is, like, if I win the lottery, yeah, so there's a chance for it to have a more positive spin.

So, like, instead of winning, like, the last bin newt, and we've got a new planet, and we've got a complete plan of how to set up this thing. - Right. - You'd use, like, drones, like, a lot of robot contractors to build everything.

And you'd have, like, you'd always have wildlife and nature and stuff like that. Like, I think this is if I was planning it, you wouldn't damage the ecosystem, you'd work in ways. - What would be in it?

- Yeah, absolutely. - Use it, you're at a voltage, use trees for shade, blah, blah, blah. - Yeah. - That shit. - It's much cooler when you have trees around. - Well, yeah, my car sits out there on the road.

And you go and get in your fucking car. And it's like, it's an oven in there. - Yeah. - And you're thinking, like, why isn't there an oven you have trees down here? Like, 'cause what they're doing is capturing carbon, producing woods, you know?

- And also places look much nicer. Like, you know, like, when you have, like, those fucking beautiful houses in, like, rainforesty type of areas, you're just like, this is just sick. You just fucking just feel nice being around there.

- Whereas, we've got to a state where we're so hit up, with historical, like, records. And, like, well, I own this piece of land, and we can't build on that. It's a crown estate that belongs to the king.

- Yeah, a farming king. - No, that's the designated nature reserve. You can't build there. Oh, that's an industrialized city centre. That's always gonna be that way. Like, we've got to a point where we've got so far down road that we can't get off it.

- Yeah. - Do you know what I mean? It's like, we've just gone, we've missed our junction and we're now just stuck on this fucking traffic down. We have no way to get out. - Yeah, but your point was about cities.

But the cities were the way they were and where they were for a reason, because of distribution. - Yeah, they've naturally developed. - Yeah, but now, theoretically, if you have the internet and information can travel as it can, and people can, like, collaborate as they can.

Blah, blah, blah. You sort of sort of, you know, like, people move out of the cities more now, because you just could get more shit done quicker and connect with more people and everything was in the cities.

But now it's like, I'm fucking basically do everything anyway. And who wants to be in the city? 'Cause it's shit. - Well, that's what I thought this the other day. Like, if I was doing this, God-like civil engineering project, I think there would be a desire for cities before that social element for the bars and the clubs

and, you know, like the hubbub and the bustle of human life. So, but if I was this God-like, you know, terraforma, I wouldn't build a city in the places where they reside now, like Paris and London.

They're right on big, major rivers. - Yeah. - I wouldn't use that valuable weird estate for a fucking city. I'd put the city, like, some, in just some fucking landlocked area, like, that would be reliant on shit coming in, 'cause it has no production.

- It's got to come in anyway. - Yeah. I'd put it, you know, you'd put a fucking city in, like, the highlands or somewhere that broke, like, where it was kind of useless, the land. - I got what you mean.

You're still gonna want people to interact, but I guess the city then, maybe wouldn't be, that's not where, like, the industry is, you don't, it's not, like, industrial estates and, like, necessarily have all the workers there and people living and working there.

Maybe the cities have been more of a place where people, like, go to, like, spend time to enjoy themselves and, like, is more art and more music and culture and stuff like that, rather than, like, massive fucking gray office blogs with little cubicles with people sat in there at any point in the shit.

Like, that, there'd be less of that stuff. - Well, the gray office blogs are still in years, but, like, they're not being a tower block kind of things, but, like, consider, like, let's go, like, 100 or 300 years into the future, like, all of the construction work and manual labor is done automated now, right?

So there's no manual labor work, is there? - I reckon they will be. - What? - You're still gonna need, like, you certainly need, like, a plumber. - Do you think you're free when you print a building out of concrete?

Why are you gonna need-- - 'Cause you still need people to fix the old shit. You're still gonna need, like, an expert who's, like, ah, who do this fucking wiring? - Yeah, but when it's, like, literally an android with a general artificial intelligence that can wire it twice as fast as a human can,

like, in the middle of the night, doesn't complain. - I reckon we overestimate, like, how useless humans are gonna be. - At some point, maybe, at some point, yeah, sure. - At some point, let's go.

We're full in the Arthur C. Clarke, so I find that way. All right, well, what's the saying? Any technology suitably advanced is indistinguishable from magic. - Yeah. - So, human beings, as long as we wipe each other out with a nuclear war, started by President J. Biden, no full crime, even with no one to the nuclear party.

- Falling over his son's crap, crack pipe. - Oh, my God, have you seen any of that shit? - It's fucked up. - Yeah. I'd hang out with him, though. (laughing) That is, do you know what, all of the county politicians, they're much more fun than they look like.

I'd much rather hang out with Boris Johnson than Jeremy Corbyn. Do you know what I mean? Which one do you want to be? Snorting Coke off the back of, like, number 10 toilets with Boris having a bottle of bubbly, or would you, like, a tour of Corbyn's allotment?

(laughing) - Good point. - Yeah. - Well, how would he party? He'd be like, "Oh, you'd have some IPAs. "You looked like an IPA." - Oh, yeah, yeah. - Of course you do. There were two, like, middle-aged skaters, like, at the park the other day.

Literally, like, I just, like, "Guys, are you seriously drinking an IPA?" - What's wrong with an IPA? - Well, but it's a stereotype. It's a trope of the middle-aged skater. - Is it? - Like, vans, Czech, plag, and a can of IPA.

- Yeah. (laughing) - They did go, "Oh, shit, yeah." - Were they in, like, funky little cans, like... - Yes, the little Coke can ones, but they're, like, blue. - Yeah, that's the thing. - Cool art or something.

- Yeah, there's some cool art on some of them. It's like a hipster thing. It's like a craft beer. They are nice. - Someone that I can't remember what it was, some conversation, but they were like, "Oh, that's pretentious."

It was like, "Dude, we're riding bikes, doing tricks. "We are pretentious." That is exactly what this is. So all of that shit skating, BMXing, it's all about looking good. Like, you don't go out there without thinking about what you look like or what you're wearing, what you're drinking.

- I just, like, I believe in the greenhouse effect. I believe it's, like, putting carbon dioxide in the atmosphere does change the temperature. I'm just not convinced that it's necessarily a problem.

- Right. - I'm not convinced that it won't actually turn out to be beneficial. Like, let's put it this way. I was against Brexit. Well, I was against it. But after seeing what happened in Europe, I was kind of glad during the COVID time that we weren't a member of the EU, right?

And I was like, okay, it might have been the right decision for the wrong reason. - Right. - I feel like that would climate change. Like, yeah, we are pumping carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

But it's nothing to say it's not gonna be good. - Yeah. - It might actually be fucking spawn. - More plants. - Yeah, not a nice warm weather. - Yeah, less need for energy. Like, we're not heating it as much.

I mean, we might see more extreme weather. - Yeah. - But then, like, they have fucked with the data. And like, regardless of whether it's true or not, like, I don't know. And I don't think they do.

- Right. - Mate, they can't model the weather more than five days. - True. - You know what I mean? The weather forecast is a bit of a joke. Like, you go any long term. - That office is the best one.

- Yeah, you go past a week and it's like, well, I don't know, stuff. But they tell you what the weather's gonna be like in 50 years. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. How long's this Earth been around?

Four billion years. That's four, like, 4,000 million years. - It's only four billion years. - Yeah, the Earth. - Why do I thought it was like six billion or so? - No, it's four. Like I say, like, I know exactly it's 3.8.

I don't know what it is, but like, I know it's roughly on that level. But like, the cycles that we're talking about, it's like a nap suddenly seeing the sky going dark and going, holy fuck.

And you being a human, just being like, why is that nap freaking out at sunset? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So I mean, like, it's just, because you have a longer perspective of the cycles. And we're talking about cycles that are 40,000 years in length.

- Yeah. - Right? So, not only that, there is ice core samples and historical records. As I mentioned earlier, there are periods where they've taken them out of graphs. Why? - And it's taken the core samples out 'cause they're not-- - The core samples show these temperature spikes globally for periods like the late medieval warm period,

the Roman warm period. They take them out of graphs. - Okay. - 'Cause if they leave them in. - Then it looks cool now. - It looks, well, it looks like we're just having enough one of those little bumps.

And do those bumps correspond in any sort of flow? You know, like you're talking about cycles. Does it kind of ebb and flow and it's like hotter than colder than hotter than colder? And is it a natural part of that?

- It's not a predictable cycle. - Okay, fine. It's just like, shit, does stuff. And we don't really know why, but it changes. - Well, I mean, if complicated, like the Earth has been frozen over more than once.

- Yeah. - Like the times that we've had ice, we've had multiple ice ages. - We could proper fact have that happened. - Oh yeah, proper fact. - Well, like the whole Younger Dry Ice Impact Theory prior to the impact, it was an ice age, a mini ice age.

And there's evidence that the breeding pairs of humans got down to as low as one to 12,000 pairs. - Yeah, that's very low. - So that's like a minimum population of 2,000 people. - Yeah. - To a maximum of like 25.

- Yeah, Klaus Schwab will be coming in this little, what is it, he's only wear pants, does he? - It's basically, there's a madness. I mean, I don't think he's the worst person in the world.

I think he's quite dumb because he's just saying everything he's doing out loud. - Yeah. - He's a real evil where you're kind of like George Soros. - Yeah. - Even you're Bill Gates, he's like.

- He's like, it's hard to know if they are truly evil. Well, here's one. - He seems like he can. I look at him and I go. - Sit down at six cold. - Right. - What do you think, like, the idea that they are literally Satan-worshiping mollock, believe him.

Like, what would you buy into that? Like the super- - The shit that we covered in this? Like, but I'm getting to the point where, like- - I believe, yeah, I know it's mental 'cause the craziest shit starts to, the craziest shit that people would be like, fuck off.

It starts to be like, well, yeah. But do I believe that? Here's your question. - Well, let me put it this way, right? - I don't not believe it. - Yeah. One thing that's really freaked me out over the last few years is I used to, then this is genuinely, like, concerning to me and freaked me out

and made me think that the world is so fucked up. I used to think Alex Jones was a joke. I used to think he was an idiot and a joke, right? I literally today posted a video of, potentially, Presidential candidate, well, we're F candidate going, so they put Atrazine in the water with these frogs

and, like, 30% of them, he's got a weird voice. - Yeah, what happened to his voice? - He's got, like, spasmodic voices and I don't know what it's- - Why? - Like, it's something in his vocal chords they don't work very well.

- No, I get that, but- - Just the birth defects, I think. - 'Cause someone said to me, it was vaccine injury and I was like, "Oh, don't I?" - I don't think that's true. I think that's like something like legendary law.

- Yeah, yeah. Well, that's why I said I don't know, I don't know. - Yeah. - But I remember that, turn the frogs gay. - But yeah, so, like, RFK's talking about, like, the study, and it's like, oh, that's what Alex Jones was talking about, so I published Alex Jones straight off the video clip

of RFK saying it actually makes the frogs turn into female. There are so many things that Alex Jones has said that you're like, what the fuck is he on about? That's the fucking island, where they take these kids, and they fuck them on the kid fuck island, and you're like, all right, calm down, psycho.

- Yeah, yeah. - You know what I mean, like, 2019, this Nataly Jones laughing at him thinking he's more on. - Yeah, yeah. - Me in 2023, replaying those conversations, going, "Right, okay, oh shit, yeah, oh shit, oh shit."

Everything he's saying is true. - Well, not everything he says, but... - Everything he says is true, except Sandy Hook. I'm literally gonna go that far, that he is forever. - What about where he starts talking about into dimensional beings that go through these four levels, and that's the good and the evil...

- Well, you want to be empty. (laughing) - I'm tempted. I'm even down with that, like, it was Graham Hancock who sold me on that, when he's talking about, you know, mapping the spirit realm, I'm like, "I wonder, I'd love it for it to be true "that there is higher existence, higher dimensions."

- I've talked to you about this before, and you're like, "That's bullshit." - If you can't measure it, if you can't measure it, doesn't exist, and I always say to you, "Well, how do you know that how you're measuring it, "is the only way to measure things?

"How do you know?" Well, 'cause it's all we've got. It's like, "Well, it's all you know, it's all you mean?" - Okay, you misunderstand me. If I'm being in a signal, right, you, right, you can detect it.

- What do you mean? If you're being a signal at me, well, it depends. I can't always detect it. - Right, if there's another realm or which we can interact with spirits or, you know, with God-like beings, or if there's some kind of other realm, yeah?

- Yeah. - Right, there must be a way for us to connect with that other realm. If we cannot connect with it, it is, there's no point talking about it. It's like, so my analogy is, if I told you, I had an invisible alien friend that no one else can see, not even me, I don't even know when he's here.

I was like, "How do you know he exists?" Well, I don't. Right, so does he exist? Well, it doesn't even matter if he does, 'cause he's all bullshit. - Right. - If I can't see him, I can't hear him, I can't speak to him.

Like, just 'cause I'm saying, is he exists? - Then even if he does exist, you're saying he's irrelevant because, fine. Yeah, I'll buy that. - Okay, so if there's another realm, but there is no interaction between that realm and our realm, it doesn't fucking matter because there's no interaction between that realm and our realm.

- But how do you know there's an interaction? - Well, if, so what you're saying is, yes, there could be interaction. So if there is interaction, that means something from their realm can transmit information to our realm, where there is some pathway or there is some mechanism by which information

can travel from one realm to the other, yeah? Or even just from their realm to ours. Just be one way, it doesn't mean a two way connection. - Yeah, with you so far. The only way that this kind of magical idea of these spirit worlds is manifested, is that connection is somehow inconsistent.

- Why? - Well, because if it was consistent, right? If there was a consistent way of connecting, like you always do X, Y, Z, and you can receive the signal, yeah? - So do you know there's something that might be, they might be inconsistently sending signals, so you can do something consistently to try and pick up those signals,

but they're not necessarily there, 'cause it's a one way system. Just because you can't consistently get the same result, it doesn't mean that it's, that you're doing it differently or wrong.

It could be that things have changed. Like if you go out fishing, like I cast the line exactly the same as I did before, got the same bait, I'm in the same spot, cast it out, yes sir, I caught fucking those fish, so there aren't any, right, fish don't exist.

Same thing. - Well, are we talking on the DMT spirit realm or just other planes of reality? - We're talking in general, but like that could be a reasonable argument that maybe there is something, 'cause like when they talk about, there's consistent theme of something that's seen or understood from taking this,

but then it's like you would say, yeah, well, you can't measure it, so you can't prove it. - So my argument, I guess, is that physical phenomena in this world is consistent. So anything like a ghost or a spirit world by the rules of this world where things are consistent, like the sun always shines and like the light

always travels in the straight lines. Like their world is deliberate, and so it's not a natural transfer of information, therefore it's hard to argue against that. - I don't think you can argue with it.

- But like I don't think you can argue it because you, you're just saying I can't measure it, therefore it's not true. - Basically, what if there were aliens on Mars and then there's aliens in the other dimension?

- Right. - Okay, so we've got two examples. Now the aliens on Mars are within our realms of physics, right? So there's consistency of rules around our relationship to that. - Is there? - Well, yeah, because we can use a telescope to look at Mars and if they've got a base there, they have to hide it, yeah?

- But what if we can't measure them with eyesight, what if they live in... - Well, look, like, let's what my point is. - If there were aliens on Mars, there would, we could use ways, we could send probes, we could, if we could physically go there.

Like there are things that we could do to investigate the presence of that thing. - And if it fit within our narrative of what we can see and what we consider to be life, then we would say that's maybe an...

- Yeah. - And if it didn't fit within our narrow view of what we believe we know, then we don't know. And we would say no, there isn't because we can't see it. - But like, if there is an active intelligent life form, then it could potentially hide and it could also choose to send signals at random.

- Yeah. - Okay. But the existence of the realm and the crossover of the realm, like that's not under the control of the aliens, right? That's just there. - Right. - So anything where any other kind of phenomena that exists in our world, like said ghosts, like other realm, realm we demand, like aliens,

they must have some way of coming in and like going back. So like, there must be some interaction and some connectivity between the two worlds. And like, we should be able to do something to reach them if they can do something to reach us.

- Right. - And it should be some kind of repeat of all physical phenomena that links to something. And we don't have any evidence of anything. Like there is unknown things. There definitely are unknown things like dark, very dark energy.

- Right. - But like, I don't know. I actually, the universe teaches us things through physical laws and physical kind of generalities. Okay. And one of the things that the universe is telling you, you are on your own.

As a species, humans could repopulate this galaxy, repopulate this galaxy with copies of ourselves. Wouldn't take that much effort. We could send out seeding ships with drones, just go through space, right?

They just got robots on board with genetic material. They find a suitable planet and they land and then they hatch out a load of embryo, like they fertilize sperm and eggs and they haven't implanted in artificial embryos.

They come out, there's androids, parents that raised them as the first generation and instruct them, teach them language, teach them and all this stuff. Raise a generation of kits on a planet who then take over the planet, like the ship, basically is their home and they've got instructions and materials and data.

And they build a fucking empire on this planet. And we send out hundreds of thousands of these things, right? And we have a entire galaxy poplet with humans on every habitable planet. - Right.

- They still can't communicate with each other. - Yeah. - The whole Star Wars galactic empire thing. - Because of the speed of light. - Because of the speed of light. - Speed of light, as we know it now is a fundamental constraint at the universe.

Fastest anything in travel is at the speed of light. - Or about black holes. - I mean, flying to a black hole is gonna collapse you. Yeah, I mean, the Einstein-Wozen Bridge is like travel, but let's stick with the within the confines of reality as we know it at the moment.

Because that would be physics that doesn't yet exist. But using what we know about physics, which is quite a lot, we could fill up the galaxy with life forms, but we would still, even if you just wanted to send a message, the nearest star to us now is a thousand light years.

So you send a message and it takes a thousand years together and it takes a thousand years to get back. That's 2,000 years for a piece of information exchange. - Yeah. - Right? So you're not connecting with these people.

You're not sending them any shit. You're trading with them. Unless you can literally do portal jumps, like the kind of bending of spacetime thing that you're alluding to via black holes. Like, you're alone.

- Unless you can do that. But that's my point is that my point is, just 'cause it's something that we can't do or we can't measure doesn't mean it's not possible. And therefore, it is possible that there's interdimensional beings and that is possible that there is travel that's fast and speed apply.

It's just that we can't do it. And just like, I can get in my car and I can go and drive a hundred miles in like a few hours and an ant can't doesn't mean it's not possible, just they can't fucking do it.

'Cause they're an ant and I'm a human. - Yeah, but there was never a physical constraint from the ant traveling at a hundred miles an hour. Now it can walk on a train and travel at a hundred miles an hour.

The ant doesn't have the ability to build the train, okay? But there's no physical barrier and constraint. - They don't understand, they don't have the technology or knowledge of no, no, how to do it.

- Where do they, where do they understand it or not? It doesn't matter. - We don't have black holes. - If we don't travel in at a hundred miles an hour. No, we don't fully understand black holes.

But what we do understand, and this is, a lot of people really don't understand Einstein's work. - Yeah, I really don't understand that. (laughing) How do people fucking really understand that?

- Yeah, I think people who think they understand it, I understand it, I don't understand it. Einstein's work is about, it opens the door to the study of empty space. - Right. - Right, so you can take a glass bowl full of milk and pour the milk away, right?

Wash it out, 'cause it'll get all cloudy shit, right? And then you can suck all the air out. There's still something in there. Like even in a vacuum, there's something in there. - Yeah. - There's space.

- Yeah. - It might have no air particles in it, but it's not nothing. - Yeah. - It's something, it's empty space. This is the thought I've had since a kid. Right, an empty space, right? As we know it now, empty space is stretching.

It's an empty reel that space is made out of, is definitely stretching. - Okay. - And one of the weird things that quantum mechanics is telling us, like normally when you stretch material, it gets thinner.

- Yeah. - Yeah, so you take a plastic bag and you stretch it, it's gonna kind of get thinner. - Yeah. - And you're gonna halve the density of the material and as you pull the length. - And eventually it snaps.

- Yeah, yeah. Space is weird that when you stretch it, it stays the same. - Oh, okay. - So it, like the energy density of space stays constant as it expands. Which is kind of why, you know, dark energy.

- Is that for why they say it's forever expanding? 'Cause there's no, like if I forever expanded a plastic bag, it's gonna rip. - Mm-hmm. - Right. Now you got two bits of plastic bag. But they say it's like forever expanding.

Is that the reason? Because it's consistent. - Well, there's actually a lot of evidence coming out of the James Webb telescope recently that the age of the universe may potentially be a lot older than we think, because they're using the telescope to look at 14 billion light away.

Which the light from that should be coming from, if the galaxy is 14 billion, if the universe, well, that is 14 billion years old. Then 14 billion years away, you'll be seeing light from the start and time.

- Right. - And they're looking at it from James Webb telescope, the nesting in galaxies. They're like, well, that's not right. So it's suggesting that the universe is older than it is. One of the things that have come across recently is that the universe is accelerating in its expansion.

So one of the greatest achievements of humanity and science is Hubble's constant. - Uh-huh. - Hubble, apparently a terrible human being. Like a proper pipe-smoking misogynist who, he did some weird mapping.

So he was able to work out the distance of certain stars. And he knew exactly what kind of stars they were. So he thought how bright they were. The way he could do is he could look at a star and go, oh, is that one of them?

I know how bright that is. I can work out how far away it is. - Okay. - So he's gone around the sky and he's looked at all these different bits of galaxies and stars. And he's like, I don't know how far away all of them are.

And then he's measured them. And he's, they can also, by measuring their color shift, you know, like a race color goes, meow. - Yeah. - There's a change in that pitch as it goes past it. It's like, meow.

- Yeah. - That pitch change can be measured and to tell you whether it's moving towards you or away from you. - Yeah. - So he looked at the distances of all these galaxies and he looked at the speed at which they're moving and he found out most of them are moving away.

- But consistently. - But consistently the further away they are and faster they were moving. - Oh, okay. - So by like mapping them on a graph, it plays a fucking straight line. And the line is like 70 megapars or parsecs per million kilometers or something like that.

- Okay. - So 70, I don't know, but like every million kilometers, the speed of recession is 70. - Is that why people say that over time there's less order? - Well, yeah. I mean, it definitely is spread it.

But that's like the universe is spreading out. But what's happening is like when they measured it, it was like 70, right? It was the number. It's stretching faster. - So actually, if you consider that pattern, where if it's stretched slower in the beginning, like it said, because we used to think it was just consistent stretching.

So we used that consistent stretch to trace it back to this time 14 billion years ago. - Yeah. - But it's James Webb telescope to now produce an evidence that that's not right. It should be longer.

So what is it? Well, maybe that stretch time isn't consistent. Well, that's not an unreasonable expectation considering that recently we found that the stretch is speeding up. - Wouldn't that happen with any explosion?

Wouldn't the shrapnel start to go faster as it expands, how is it explodes now? - Now, with the bone, I'd expect it to slow down because there's an initial release of kinetic energy. - Is that the most powerful, that's the fastest?

- Well, what you've got is a rapid expansion of gas as it react, but then as any particles fly away in a normal explosion, you've got air resistance, but you've also got like attractive forces between particles and stuff like that.

But like, you would expect things to slow down. - I was just thinking whether that's just like a natural thing that-- - This is one of them, I love talking about this, but like it always blows everyone's minds and no one ever gets it.

Everyone assumes when they think about a big bang, what do you think of? Like think of the moment of creation, what do you sit in your mind? - Genuinely, I haven't really thought about it.

- Really? - Yeah. - So like, I still see it, and I don't even know, I know it's wrong. I see a pin drop of light, like a little spot that just suddenly expands into almost like a firework, you know, like a, you know, you see those rocket spins, like, and then it just goes, and it's like all glowing and white,

and it expands and completely wrong. 'Cause what you suggested is that there's a singularity, a single point of all the stuff in the universe compressed and it's spreading out. - Right. - Part of the reason why we think of that is 'cause when scientists talk about it, like, I'll in the first like 10 to the nine seconds,

the entire observable universe was the size of a basket bomb. Right now, we live in a sphere, right? We are in the center of a sphere. The sphere is 14 billion light years, well, that's what we think.

Current estimates, right? - Right. - 14 light, billion light years in radius. So we're in the middle. We've got a line that's 14 billion light years to one side, but then it goes up and down, and it goes all around us to make us fit.

So we're in this 28 billion across sphere. - Yeah. - What is that? Is everything we can see? - Okay. - Everything we can see because the light has had enough time to get to us. Right, anything that's 15 billion years away, the light won't get here, here, for another billion years.

- So it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, we just can't observe it. - Yeah, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We can't observe it, right? But, so we live in this sphere. Anything outside of it is kind of like what we were talking about earlier, like it might as well fuck off, 'cause it can't, even gravitational influence

travels at the speed of light. So, none of it has any impact on us. - Right. - Right, for us it doesn't exist. But, I'm saying there's another planet that's like 10 billion light years away from us, right?

- Mm-hmm. - It's quite a lot. I say our nearest one is 1,000 light years, 10 billion light years away, can be another galaxy. We assume that they have the same observable universe, they have a 14 billion light year sphere around them.

- Right. - Now you've got like a pair of movies. - Yeah. - Big round movies that kind of overlap a little bit in the middle. - Cleavage. - We're here, we're in one sphere, they're in another sphere that's kind of joined on, like a dumbbell or something like that.

There could be another planet on them, that's also like 10 billion light years along. - So it could be like a bubble bath. - Yeah, and that's what the universe is like. - It's like a load of a foam, a constant foam of just everyone's in their own sphere within their own cosmic particle horizon, their own 14 billion light year circle,

and they're just all overlapping. But they got one forever, he never stopped. Now, mathematicians might describe it as a manifold, like a surface where they all kind of curve round in a doughnut shape, so it continues on forever.

- Mm-hmm. - And there's no end or beginning to it, but. - So there's multiple universes with multiple galaxies within-- - Yeah, and we're crossing over more and more every day. - Do you know what made me think?

When you were just talking about, we're within our own, you didn't say galaxy, you said like sphere, we have our own atmosphere and our own this and blah, blah, blah. I was thinking, well, within that universe and within that galaxy and within that planet, there are then beings that live within their own sphere,

we live within our own bubbles as well, of like what we see and how we see and how we think and blah, blah, blah. So maybe it's just like that all the way down, all the way up and all the way down, it's just bubbles.

- Yeah, just constantly. - Fucking weird when you think about it like that. - So, but we, you know, like when I said, do you imagine this initial pimple of light? Where's bullshit? Because the universe is infinite now, so it was infinite in the past.

Like this was actually a GCSE exam question for the physics, GCSE, and the question was, describe the universe in its early state and like it were, shortly after the big bang. If you said it was small, you got marked down because it wasn't small, it was infinite.

Do you know what you had to write? That's what I taught with students, was literally the big bang theory, the song from the fucking TV show, and literally they would write the whole universe is in a hot, dense state.

Right, and they would get the full mark for that. Because if the universe right now is infinite but spread out, if you play the video backwards, where it's all stretching and it's like, at the moment everything's spreading out from each other, play it backwards.

What you've got is everything coming close forward, coming in together, but it's still infinite. And it's always going to be infinite. So, unless it gets closer together, all the stars get closer together, and you end up with everything being packed together into one space, but it's still infinite, but it's infinitely dense.

Right, I get what you mean. So, can it go infinitely both ways? Yeah, I mean, it's fucked up, like when you start thinking about it. Is that what the whole quantum shit is about? No, quantum is quite different, like what we're talking about is kind of...

What I'm saying about the site, like as in quantum is smaller, it's like atom, it's way smaller than atom and quantum stuff is smaller. Well, the word quantum means number, like quantity.

Right, quantum mechanics is you're working with the smallest quantities, the smallest indexes. And it kind of goes back to the Greek tradition when I think it's Aristotle invented the idea of atoms.

It's like, look, there must be the smallest piece. And that's the same with quantum mechanics. There must be a smallest length, smallest unit of time, where you could theoretically subdivide it smaller, doesn't make sense because nothing is that small or nothing is that quick.

Okay, so there is a smallest unit. So that just maybe think of it, when you're saying about like the universe, it can be... - Infinitely dense. - Infinitely dense, yeah. But then not touching.

- Beyond touching. - Yeah. - Is everything squished down into the safe? What happens is that that level is we don't understand the physics at that level 'cause they break down. - Right. - Right, so the star, the sun, we understand the physics of that, it's really dense.

We understand it is still atoms, nucleons, it's hydrogen fusing to form helium, helium forming lithium, et cetera. The next level up, where you've got like a big star that collapses, it forms this weird thing called a neutron star.

A neutron star is kind of like a giant atom. - Right. - Where it's like, it's as dense as an atom, but it's massive. And even in the middle of that, you've got like the things that make up the neutrons and the protons, the quarks are kind of like, they're not stuck together in threes.

They should be like bound together in all threes, but when their forces break down, and they're just like this golden piece soup. - Right. - Of quarks and gluons where they're, and kind of like, well, you think we understand that, but then when you get to a black hole, all bets are off because it's just, it's beyond our understanding.

It's like, well, we don't know what's going on. - Well, like what will it take to understand or just some breakthrough, we just, black holes are so freaky. Like, the simplest way I can explain it, is if, you know, the rubber sheet idea, have you seen that?

- Like if you have a ball, it will soak into the center. - So you might see a model that's a great video on YouTube. I recommend it. Like if you do gravity, I don't know, you'll see it's a professor, he's got this big blue hoop, like sheet of spandex, and he drops a weight in the middle,

bends the sheet, and he throws a load of marbles around it, go around him a little bit, because this is why planets all because the space that they travel through has been, and he grabs like a handful of marbles in each direction, and they kind of knock each other out, they end up going one way, so great, great, great video.

Right? So, normal mass, like a planet or a star, kind of bends the sheet a little bit, bends it, makes a dip in it. Black hole is not like a bending in space, an bending reality, it's like you take a little piece of it, and you pull it to the moon.

- Right. - And then you keep going and never stop. - Okay. - Like a rip-tied bit. - A rip. - It's a rip in the space, yeah. It's like, you know, a star will bend space to make a nice curve or a hill, but a black hole is kind of a fucking, yeah, and it never ends up-- - A vacuum of-- - Yeah, it's like a well that never stops going.

It's just constant and eternal. And always getting narrower, and narrower, and narrower, and like, never stops. So we don't really understand it. We don't fucking get it, but it's hardly, the electrons kind of a bit like that as well.

And that's a normal particle that's made up, like most of this room is made up of. Physics is fucked. - Oh, rip. (laughing) - Scared of one, yeah, good one. (laughing)

All right, three, two, one. All right, physics is fucked, but you know what else is the fucking bullshit about clump change, 'cause I found it whilst we were taking that short break. New study reports that your Antarctic ice shelf area has actually grown by 5,305 square kilometers between 2009 and 2019.

- Dum, dum, dum. Is it bullshit, polar bears dying? - The polar bears not dying? - I swear, I've seen other things that polar bear numbers have actually increased. - Will we show that, like, footage of a polar bear?

- It was trapped on the ice. - And it looks fucked, it looks a little skinny, and like, it looks all like, like, hasn't had a shower in a week. Just looks a bit fucked. - They never pushed a little lemmings off a cliff, mate.

You know about that? - What do you mean? - Do you know the idea that lemmings commit suicide? - Yeah. - Right? - That's not true. - Oh. - Like, despite what you might have seen, I don't know, you're not old enough to have played the computer game lemmings, are you?

- No. - I don't know. - Great game. People of my generation love that shit. But the idea was that lemmings were suicidal. They would just walk off a cliff, because in the 1920s and 1930s, what was somewhere around then, it was a Disney film, like a nature film, and they filmed lemmings jumping off a cliff.

They were throwing them off. They were forcing them to go off a cliff. They made it all up. - What, so Disney made a real documentary. - Real life, animal documentary, like 20s or 30s. - And they were throwing them off.

- They were like forcing them to go off the cliff. - It's Disney, it's a Disney-opedo ring that forces lemmings off. - I mean, I'm not really following the Disney thing, but this, like, I don't know.

- I don't go down, do you know what? We touched on this earlier, the satanic sex cult. - Yeah, let's come back to that. - Right. And then we talked, I spoke about Alex Jones, yeah. - Yeah.

- He, one of the, like, I do think he's been driven in sex. - Yeah. - Like, I think the things he's seen, because he, remember, he went in to Bohemian growth. Do you know this one? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw this.

- So he actually goes down there, sneaks into this, like, camp, where a lot of rich and famous people go, and he films the video of them burning, like, not a real body. - I like that, yeah.

- That's an effigy. - Yeah. - Exactly, I see him all up, yeah, I'll go on. - Yeah. - Like, that is, I'm not saying that all the people that are there are, like, in to say in. - Yeah. - But the dude who's organizing it, he, you know, he's, he's not just like, oh yeah, it's just like a bit of fun, isn't it?

- Why do you need to do that, or it's just tradition? But who invented that tradition, don't I? Like, someone had to put that tradition. - So what is it, but what is the significant, I know it's weird, like, you have loads of people doing what they're doing, it's just fucking weird, right?

I get that. But, like, what is Moloch the Al? - Well, there's loads of different things, and it's like Moloch, Bafferman, like, the idea that there were some group that are kind of driven by some kind of satanic belief, and like, whether God or Satan exists, like, regardless, is that if you think of, like, Anton the Bay,

kind of, the Church of Satanism, all that kind of satanic rivals, and those kind of things, they're not actually about worshiping Satan, they're more like, that man is God. - Right. - Why?

- Because there is no God, and thou shall do what thou willst. There is no right, there is no wrong, there is no good, there is no evil, there is only the universe as it exists, and thou shall do what thou willst.

- But why willst thou die? (laughing) Stand around burning an effigy of a child while worshiping an owl? Do you know what I mean? - I mean, that's a fucking great question. Like, I don't know.

Let's be honest, I've pushed a bin, a Grunden bin, around a festival campsite, banging on it in a rhythmic fashion, like some kind of primal caveman. And I was hypnotized, and I was lost in the trunks.

I was gone. Like, there was a moment when I was like, - Fuck in there. - What is going on? (laughing) As I pushed the bin round, call that dang, dang, dang. Don't do it. Like, there is a part of your human breath that can switch off.

Like, when you're in a big crowd, just cheering, shouting, shouting, like, Robbie, Dick, and twist it. - This is what you do in festivals, it's amazing. - Right, the bin jousting at Bloodstock is insane.

- Bin jousting. - Yeah, so what they do is, you know, the big weed bins, the ones that the lids on them. - Yeah, yeah. - Right, they get a couple of those. So you know, I said, like, I was getting tribal.

I kind of went to watch the bin jousting. The jousting is that they take two bins, people push them, someone gets on top. They're pushing together and they're smashing to each other. And whoever's left on top of the bin at the end, the combined bins is the winner.

- Amazing. - Right. So, and people should have special catch phrases that they shout, like, especially when two men are resting, they shout, suck his dick, suck his dick, a lot. (laughing) But, grab his dick and twist it, but he's just-- - This is a metal.

- Yeah. - Yeah. - That's what you guys get up to. - But it is, like, people have, like, broken their foot 'cause their foot got crushed in between bins or people fell off and bang their heads.

But, like, the organizes, like, you often see the security, like, come on, no. And then the guy who's leaving it, this guy called Top Hat, he'll just sort of go, he will actually be dead, because the crowd is fair, the crowd.

Like, there's about 150 of us and there's, like, three security guards. - Yeah. - Like, and we're all like, well, we want to play bins after this. - Yeah. - And then, like, you'd be a card.

And then, but this guy, Top Hat's like, no, come on, guys. Like, he leads it, he organizes it. And he actually, like, if I can work for him-- - Yes, go by. - Yeah, but, like, basically, what the game is, they were saying, like, you can't do it, but, okay, we'll move on.

They're like, no, you can't move on. He's like, yeah, we're gonna move on. All right, we're stopped now. Everyone's off. And they just march off to another side against somewhere else. But, yeah, they, like, they're just moving them around and then, it is bizarre.

- So your point is that, that evolves into Mollock the Owl and Burning Emophagy. - I mean, it's very easy to get sucked into five elliptic things, you know. If you're having a few drinks and then you're around, I don't know if it was.

There's some about being around the fire as well. - Yeah, like, you're just kind of like, I think you can be easily converted. Like, I think there's a lot of people that can just go along with, like, yeah, this isn't cool.

But I reckon there's someone that's arranging it, planning it. - Yeah, of course there is. But where does that, like, that's weird, right? Like, I listen to that, like, oh, whoever does that, it's fucking weird.

I was talking about the bins here. [LAUGHS] Mollock the Owl's cool, and the bins. But so, where does that lead into the satanic ritual shit? Like, a lot of people are like, so like, oh, it's all about humiliating people.

- I can tie this up. - Go on. Should we tie it up and then finish? - So, like, what I'm saying, you know, like, I do think there is some weird satanic leadership cult, but I don't think they're all in it.

But I do think there is a, what couple of people like Top Hat, who are the ring leaders who truly believe in it, like, he organizes the whole fucking thing, it all happens because of it. - His life has been jousted.

- It is. He sells merch. - Amazing. [LAUGHS] - But, like, everyone else just, like, I don't know, gets involved with it because it's just the thing to do when you're there. And I think that's what a lot of world leaders, they're just like, yeah, when you go to the plane, it's like going to church online.

- What is it, though? - And it's like, where does it get to this weird, like, are they actually murdering kids and doing all this weird shit, like, 'cause that's what, you know, you're saying, Alex Schoen's got everything right.

That's where I was like, he talks about these interdimensional vampires who go through the four dimensions. - And there's good verses, and there's good verses evil, and they feed on the blood of children.

And there's good wins in the end, but we're not good at organizing. It feels very good at organizing, we can't be bothered until we absolutely need to, and then good is strong with neither, nor defeats it, and blah, blah, and he was like, "Tongue blah, this stuff."

And I was like, I mean, I don't know, but that sounds like a plot of a cheap dude's camera movie. - It sounds carnage. I'm not saying it's not right, could be, but I'm just saying, like, I don't think we could say everything he says is right, 'cause it's like, I don't think I can prove that.

- Well, maybe I've looked around this deep down, like, let's be honest, I've skinned the surface, but I've never gotten them what on info was. - Yeah. - I have to say, until very recently, I've not actually been out, like, I remember when he was on road, and I couldn't listen to it.

- Yeah, 'cause it was too much. - It was too much, I made like 20 minutes in, but when I listened to it recently, I got through the whole thing. I haven't really gone back, and I mean, it's kind of a sad tragic figure, the way they have actually just taken him down that, like, they found a way to sue him for, like, a billion dollars.

- Yeah, yeah, they fucked him, like, phone in jail, like, junior Assange, that was fucked up. - Yeah, that was fucked up. - Like, there is clear suppression of free speech voices, like, the attack on people like, which I wrote, then, he passed with Brand, but I think it's all coming down, though.

I do think... - It's a positive thing. - Yeah, I think people are waking up. I do. - Maybe. - I think that's the positive, no, is that we, like, we are all becoming a conspiracy theorist.

- No. - We are all in this room. - No, no, no, I do think that a lot more people, a lot more people than you would expect, start to know a lot of this shit now. - They've had to, because they wanted, you know, a lot of people are curious about COVID on vaccine.

Like, Carol Vorderman is on BBC TV, pointing out that Bishie Sunak actually held stocks shares and stood to benefit off of, like, mandatory vaccinations. - Right. - Right, and that might represent a conflict of interest in terms of...

- You might do. - You might do, yeah. - Yeah. - Do you know what I mean? This trust, getting the largest campaign donation in a run-up for Prime Minister, was from the wife of an energy company, CEO.

And what was her main thing that she did in the 40 days, she raised the price of energy. So she got given a load of money by an energy company, who took power and raised the energy prices.

I don't see a conflict of interest there, do you? There's no possible, actually, I mean, that's not corruption. - No, that's all right. - No, it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. - So they're all cunts.

- Yeah. - What do we end up on? Positive note? - Well, yeah, it was supposed to be positive note, and I fucking did that. - You went all dark. - I did. (laughter) - You went white pill, black pill, quick.

(laughter) - It was easily done. I do think that, like, I do swing from the, like, hope to despair when I think about human... Like, I said to you earlier, like, you know, you look at your phone and you're like, "Oh, my God, the world, it's fucking on fire."

- Yeah. - And if I go outside and talk to my neighbor, he's like, "Who am I, mate? How you doing here? I'm just having a new pattern, you know?" - Yeah. - Well, they do a barbecue in the car park, like, every now and then.

But, you know, there's a mate over there who's like, "What's these kids play for?" He's like, "Yeah, I'd love to put him down." Everyone's chatting, everyone's like, "It's everyone's like sound."

- Yeah, yeah. - And round you. Like, the illusion of, like, "Wow, the world is weird." And it probably goes back to that sphere of influence. - Mm-hmm. - Like, actually, is it worth worrying about the things that are outside of the sphere of influence?

- Not really. - Right. - It can't affect you. Even if there is a static feed for our sex cult. - They're on the world. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Like, lying about climate change and COVID and drawing control us and fucking kids and drinking blood and- - Yeah.

- ... coming on ales. - Yeah. - Is that, yeah. Maybe that's just the way it is. - Yeah. - We just ruled by our evil vampire lizard overlords. It's not how bad that is, is it? - No, it's all right.

- It could be worse. - It could be. - It could be worse. - That's pretty positive, mate. - Fucking hell. - It could be worse.