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All right, you ungovernable misfits. I'm your host, Max. Everybody knows that Bitcoin is useless, worthless, and doomed to fail. But what if everyone's wrong? What if it's the system that is doomed to fail?

Join me as I speak to some of the brightest people in the space and deliver to the deepest, darkest depths of the Bitcoin rabbit hole. Today's episode is with Chino and Sol X. I really enjoyed this one.

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That was a beautiful British accent. I'm really glad that we're having the chance to have a catch up and talk about last year and where we're taking things. We had a call the other day, but we're going to do some business on air today and do a bit of an update.

I think it would be nice to dive into our time in the Mestadel. It's something that I think has touched all of us in a way that no Twitter chat or anything else can. We've made some really close and special connections here in the Mestadel.

I'd like to maybe do a bit of a review of where we've been and then we start to see where we're going. Chino, what were your highlights and favorite bits of 2021? Well, 2021, a lot has happened.

Like just starting with the rings of fire and the birth of the Mestadel. Yeah, let's just keep it at the Mestadel because a lot has happened there. First of all, I am really grateful for like having met so many different people from a different box of lives and everybody was sharing the story.

Like, okay, not everybody, but most of them were already sharing their story with you on the part and it helps like really to get to know or get a quick overview who's this person. And it feels like, at least for me, I can get to know the fellow plebs through listening to the interviews with you and them.

And I think that Foster is also connections because we kind of like, yeah, we already know a bit about the other person. And I think starting off with already this connection, we like really starting to become a team, especially like with the personal growth stuff where each of us like shared their tips and tricks and bits of knowledge,

how to become a better person, how to improve yourself, like physically, mentally, just us doing Wim Hof together, also fasting, sharing our experiences. It helps me also keep motivated. Like sometimes I don't feel like doing the workout.

But now for example, that we do the Eiffel Challenge that Solix Porter suggested. I want to do it every day now. Like, there are no more people having their eyes on also my performance. And yeah, I just don't want to let you hanging guys even if it's like just from my personal growth.

But I know that if I'm a strong note in this network, it will be beneficial to the whole group nicely put. So definitely a lot of positivity there, like many benefits being in this mesh that are like, thanks guys.

What about you Solix, what were your highlights of last year, anything that stood out? Yeah, 21 was really the Bitcoin number, right? So it was my whole Bitcoin maximalism here, I think, where everything happened.

And the mesh level by its own words for me, the highlight, it was a mesh that was even mentioned by Max Kaiser. And that was a fun moment. But yeah, it's the the plebs within the group that the normal people, the non-influencer, let's say.

Sorry for those that are on Twitter influencing. But I like, I like the little telegram group and the spaces. We have a lot better than any shit going on on Twitter. And yeah, it's just I can feel the connection with the people.

It's a different feeling, isn't it? It's like a personal connection. And if you wind it right back, the connection that I've felt between me and the two of you guys has been incredible for me, like getting to know you over the past year or so, and really building a friendship,

not just like you have a bit of banter on Twitter and you send a few memes back and forward and dunk on no coiners and that kind of stuff. Like, yeah, as fun as that is, we've had conversations where I would only have those conversations with people that I really trust and like and want to spend time with.

And I think that's very valuable. You know, sometimes if we're a bit down or we've had issues or we're feeling stressed, it's nice to have people that you can offload with and learn from as well.

Like there's a lot that I feel I've personally benefited from through the Mastodel. Huge amounts of knowledge have come my way and it's been so diverse with so many people. You just, I don't know, it's just not something I've experienced in other parts of the Bitcoin world.

Really, there's something really special about it. You know, the magic happens where when you get together in a community, especially in a small private group, I experienced it before with the whole household and I actually got to know each other was in the EU Plebs group,

which is just like a private group with a handful of Bitcoiners from Europe. And yeah, it's just a different level, like Twitter cannot replicate that. I've also the feeling that although Bitcoin is what brought us together, at least in the Mastodel, the focus is not on Bitcoin.

And that is what lets us expand to find the other things that connect us. Yeah, it's very true. It's very rare that Bitcoin is actually mentioned, isn't it? In the spaces. It's a given. Yeah, that's true. It is a given.

It's kind of like, okay, this is Bitcoin, this is what it can do. Now what? They've been some of the most interesting conversations I've had. Both in the spaces and also the one-on-ones. When we do the spaces, there's so many different ideas flying around, so much knowledge flying around.

And I try and put my ear to the ground and think, right, who do I really want to learn from next? And then I'll try and have these conversations one-on-one with them. They've absolutely blown my mind to people that I've had on.

Like, Tensei, what an incredible guy, and Shishi, technology culture, John, and chatting to JMo a lot in the background, although I haven't had him on yet, and so many more. And it's like, they all bring so much knowledge and experience, but there's never any flashiness or never any bravado.

It's just like, hey, guys, this is what I can do. If I can help, then that's cool. What can I learn? And it's pretty refreshing because, especially on the podcast circuit, you get the same people and they say the same things, and you've kind of got your mini celebs, and they just sort of, I don't know, it doesn't feel as real.

It doesn't feel as gritty and down-to-earth. So it is very, very refreshing. Even in other spaces, you have those famous people that come on, and they are talking then, and they have 170 wires or how they say that in audio run, just listening in.

Whereas in the mashdown spaces, it's so small and cozy, I would say, that everybody feels a lower threshold to chime in, and that gives the possibility to get to know them better than just a few characters sent in tweets.

And that's where it gets to learn the really interesting people, I think. We even had a non-Bitcoin person entering the Twitter spaces we had. I actually really like that to get the no-coin perspective.

There was this girl talking about silent meditation and being amongst all those other stars with laser eyes. She didn't even have really a clue what Bitcoin was about, and was flashed about.

We were all Bitcoiners, but we're not talking about Bitcoiners. Really cool. I'm still following her. Yeah, me too. I hope that she still finds the way to get the hands of her hands on some sets.

Yeah, I offered her 1000 sets on lightning, but she never sent me an invoice. There was another guy that went down for that invoice, Santissi invoice, and I said, "I'm not giving out charity."

But in the end, I gave him 1000 sets anyway, because he had to do something and then he described, I made a little bit of a challenge for him, and then I gave out 1000 sets anyway. But yeah, I don't like to be like all those charity points.

I will, if anybody gives a contest for 10,000 sets, I will chime in, I will throw my head for it in the ring. I'm not shy of putting in an effort to earn whatever amount of sets. You got a hassle.

Yeah, I've got a hassle. Because at every set I can earn, I can then use to convince other people of the usefulness of sets. Yeah, I think she seemed pretty interested, but it's an overwhelming thing to have in one sitting.

You know, like we were there for whatever an hour or hour and a half, and we weren't really talking about Bitcoin that much. And... Which was good, which was... She realized that we were just not just all nerds talking about virtual money all the time in her terms.

She said it was really interesting for her because she wanted to come the spaces after that. She logged in as well, but she fell out and then she didn't try to get in anymore because she did me afterwards.

Well, that's what. But Max, what is for you the highlight of last year? I think it's that. I think it's the personal connections. It's been that group of pods that I've done from people out of the Mastodel, that chance to get to know someone a little bit first before I record with them

and understand what they're about, what makes them tick, and then it allows me to get a bit deeper under the surface and find a bit more. And then the knowledge that the next time I hear from them is going to be in the spaces again.

So it's like a perpetual thing, it's not just record, edit, put the show out, hope to speak to them again in six months to a year maybe. It's more of a consistent conversation that's going to be happening every...

at least every month. That feels really nice to do that. And like I said, you know, getting to share this with you guys because the podcasting thing can be weirdly quite lonely because I spend most of my time just sat editing, putting content out, doing bits and pieces.

Whereas when I'm doing it with you guys, I can bounce ideas off each other and we have our calls and we do the Mastodel. We do more bits together and that's a bit more fun for me. So I think, yeah, those personal connections have been one.

And then watching something grow because, you know, this was just an idea to start it with the tour view. We didn't really know where we were going to take it. And then just seeing how it's taken a life of its own has been really exciting to see all the different threads that are coming off this idea of a Mastodel.

And then it felt like it's suddenly exploded. And if I was to sit here and list all the things, all the threads now, we'd be here for another hour. So I mean, I'll pull on one thread and then I'll pass it over to you guys.

But one of the threads that I thought was particularly interesting is this communication, finding ways that this Mastodel and others can communicate even if we're being attacked and to be thinking outside of the box when it comes to these connections.

That's such a huge topic, which is just one of probably 10 of the main topics that we're going into. But it's hugely important and a lot of fun to discuss. Yeah, it's one of the bigger topics for me as well.

Also, the word "Mashodel", like "Mashnet", it's already in the name, it's baked in. And I think it's also, it's really important that we have communication channels that are resilient. And unfortunately, we still have not found the holy grail of social network or communication channels, but we're at least experimenting with a lot

and trying to find what could be working out the best. I mean, we have tried a brier, which is decentralized communication, which okay, it fell a bit behind because it has a few drawbacks.

We can discuss them on detail in the spaces, like the one that is coming. I really want to get more into this. But then now we have Nostra as well that might seem promising and Scatterbud, which I still want to try, I think really it's cool, especially the aspect that it can still work with no internet at all.

You just have to meet somebody and then your devices interchange all the data. And this is how the network, the social network, could still go in. And this seems to me like the standard, it should be the standard almost for a resilient network.

But maybe there are better things. I'm sure we will find them at some point and then switch over to those channels more or less, maybe exclusively or at least fall back when shit hits the fan, like just have the plan if something goes wrong.

It's interesting to have this close group, like we have the Telegram group of the people that are then joining in the spaces. When they talk, it already has a lesser threshold when you talk already with people to invite them in a more secluded telegram group.

And how close that group came together then also. Because all the testing that is being done with Breyer and all the other examples, it's interesting that there are then instantly different people trying at the same time.

And it's not just a two-person test because it can work good with two people. But then once you want to introduce somebody else in that, it becomes already more complicated. The other way around, if you're just two people, then there's not much interaction on this channel and then it gets boring or you think like,

"It's never going to work, there's nothing happening." So it's good to have at least some small critical mass to try all those things. Yeah, it's a great group. And like we said, that's one thread.

It's a big thread and it's a very, very important one. What do you think is the next big thread that you see that we're digging into more and more? For me, it's the personal growth stuff because each of us needs to be in their best shape, like not compared to, let me repeat that, like at least the best version of themselves.

Everybody should be able to be the best version of themselves. And I think what we have going in all machine load is we keep each other motivated, as I said before already, like at least for me, I am getting up and get my work done, even though I don't feel like it,

because I feel the obligation, or at least I feel that other people are counting on me to get better or at least not get worse. And I think that's a big part, also of the message that we keep each other, or keep lifting each other up, even though we cannot physically help them,

but at least like the emotional support or the mental support we can already provide, even though it's almost only exclusively digital. For me, when I see Chino doing things, I don't think I have to be my best version, but I just see him doing stuff and I say, "Oh, shit, I cannot leave behind."

That's why you two have been jumping in ice all the time. Yeah, ice not yet. But that really keeps us going. If we see that somebody else, like the other one is doing it, then we feel like, "Okay, I have to do it now as well."

Yeah, it's kind of just all hanging. For me, it was literally like that New Year's Day, the first of January, a bit of a hangover, and soon you get the message, "Yeah, I'm getting ready for going in the pool."

And I'm like, "Ah, no, not today." And then you feel the peer pressure, and my hangover was gone afterwards. So thank you, Chino. I noticed this as well. If you have hangover, do some Wim Hof breathing, jump into the cold water, and you feel as good as new afterwards.

Best remedy ever. Afterwards, at the moment itself, it's just like hitting your feet with a hammer. So the hangover is forgotten for a moment. But Chino asked the question if my hangover was better, because I didn't realize it even that it was gone, because it was just two goals, maybe.

Yeah, I've been doing the same. I've not been jumping in frozen lakes or anything, but it's definitely spurred me on. It's not so much that I'm competing or seeing, like, "Ah, fuck, Chino's done it, or something like this has done it.

I need to do it." It's been more with myself, where I've been like, you look at myself and I've been like, "You've been slacking in certain areas of your life, and neglecting." And one of those things was definitely health.

Since the Mestradell started, I've given up smoking. Nice. I've given up drinking only recently, so I can't really pat myself on the back. But it's been four days. It's pretty excessive last year, so I plan to do that for the whole year.

I've been in the gym almost every day for, like, three months now. There's a few days that's just not been possible, but almost every day, heavyweights, sauna if I get time and then a cold shower.

Yeah, I mean, it's just something where I've thought to myself, "Well, I keep banging on to everyone about, you know, the world's going to shit. You know, things could get really bad. We have certain issues going on in the world."

And what's the point in me banging on about it if I'm not preparing myself physically and mentally? Definitely the next thing is I need to start my meditation and some other bits and pieces to sort myself out mentally, but, you know, step by step.

And I tell you, I feel better for it. Definitely, I feel more clear. I feel more invigorated. I feel more confident about us winning. And I think a huge amount of that is thanks to you guys and everyone in the Mechterdell being so positive and there's like a brotherhood.

You know, it's not just that I've got to rely on myself for myself. I'm like, "Well, these are my friends and I want to make sure I'm there for them as well." And so that plays into it. Now, I'm going to go taking a look equal to on you in the importance of language because for me personally,

the big change that the Mechterdell has brought is changing the need or the have to into a want. So then I need to be more supportive. I need to do better. I want to be more supportive. I want to do better.

Yeah, that's more expressive. It's really for me as well. I feel like I want to do that. It's suddenly there's this desire to just get better and get on my own to feed. I mean, also Bitcoin did two certain extend this to me.

But now with the Mechterdell is like exponential. For me, Mechterdell is more on a personal level. As in for Bitcoin, it's more on how to say on learning maybe on getting responsible about my finances and what I'm doing with my money,

but this is more about my body and soul and mind to say. Do you remember in the Twitter space, I don't know who said it, but the word Mechterdell reminds him of the Hebrew meaning of the struggle.

It's such a beautiful coincidence. And what was it again? You remember that? The struggle to keep one's word. Yeah, because I was thinking today that that was my biggest regret of the Mechterdell, was that I didn't take enough notes during the spaces because it became a very,

how to say it, afmerio, like fluid thing. It's ephemeral. Thanks you. It passed by, it passed there, and then it was gone. It makes it also precious that it is not recorded. You have to be in the moment, but for the next space, I'm going to try to make, take more notes because I forgot that specific one.

And it was for me like, "Oh damn, I should have written that down." Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I'm trying to. I can hear you rustling. But yeah, no, I agree. There's something special about the fact that you know it's gone and it's gone forever once we've hung up the call.

And I think it makes people feel a bit more at ease as well because often when things are recorded, people are overthinking or they feel a bit of pressure and they're like, "Oh, this is going to be live."

And people go back and listen. So I feel like it's more like just a group of mates in a room having a conversation. Yeah. The first space is I was drunk as fuck and the other space is I was holding a fast.

I'm still not sure which one I'm going to keep up with. Maybe do both. At the same time. How do you do that? Fast fast for a few days. That's what you guys would have been drunk. It wouldn't take much.

It wouldn't take much. Yeah, I remember that first one because I was pissed as well and then we were on the phone afterwards. Yeah, it's really cool. It's really cool. And I think that's why it's being spurred on a bit more is that I think we all want this to continue and to grow.

And I think that maybe that's why the thread is there of communication because we all feel the threat of deplatforming and some of the other issues that are going on censorship. And it's like, well, we need to think about this so that we can continue to speak freely and to plan and cooperate.

And so really that is the first layer. Well, the first layer is the self. Like we just said, it's like we work on ourselves. So we're the best version of ourselves. We are a good and helpful node in the network.

And then outside of that, it's like, well, we need to make sure that we can communicate with the people that we want to. And so that's why that's such an important part. And then I suppose the other one is the sustainable living and growing good produce so that we can

feed ourselves well and give ourselves the best chance and avoid any issues if we aren't allowed to go to the shop anymore and all that sort of stuff. So it's all stuff that really has a huge impact on our freedom and happiness going forward.

Happiness, that is it. I was discussing this with somebody else as well. It is, I don't know, Jim actually, I think, where everybody is starting more and more to complain. I'm talking now about normies, not Bitcoiners, but everybody is starting to complain that they also want more freedom now and less security.

So I think people are also getting ready to be orange-built in that sense. Or that build might be that is. Or black-built. Black-built was a possibility. Which is not extremely good because I'm looking already a whole while into looking for a small patch of forest that I could buy.

My dream would still be to make a food forest. But it seems that there are a lot of people putting out their antennas to get any offers like that. I can see the trend changing, people flocking out of the cities into the countryside if they can.

It makes so much sense, especially with what's going on. Especially because within our groups and the things that we're talking about, a big theme I see is family. That seems to be incredibly important to certainly most of the people who are joining.

Maybe it's because they know that they have people depending on them and they want to make sure that they look after people around them. And that's why they're taking the time to do some of these things which are pretty low time preference stuff.

You know, looking after yourself and working out how to have communication outside of the normal, easy social media stuff and growing their own produce. All this stuff is pretty difficult and time consuming.

So I think that's a big theme and maybe that's why they're wanting to move out because I would imagine family life in the countryside is much nicer than being in a big city. At least if there's nothing to do, they're not allowed to go anywhere.

The allure of the city was especially to have CO for a drink or as a teenager to go to a party which was always more interesting, closer to the city. But when that's gone, it's just a big jungle, doesn't really aspire, right?

And I think that that regret of realization that you're stuck in the jungle is maybe a good touching point to another question I have in mind. Is there anything you feel that you regret Maxx over the last year that you didn't like a goal that you didn't reach with Mestadol?

The Mestadol specifically? It can be both. I didn't stack enough is one. That's always one. That is another permaculture, right?

Yeah, growing sounds. I didn't allow enough time for people in my life who matter at the beginning of the year because I was too caught up in stressing and anger about all this COVID stuff.

And I feel I let myself down a bit in terms of how I would want to treat people. For me, getting caught up in all this COVID history, even though being on the other side, not the clown world side, but always upset about it.

I got, at a certain point, I got kind of addicted to it as well to this behavior of just being on Twitter and just consuming all this negative news about what is happening in the world. And this is certainly a goal that I set for myself in this year that I get away from this, concentrate more on the positive side on offline.

What about you so? What do you regret? Nothing. Perfect. No, I regret a lot of things. But, yeah, for me, Atmashtel was especially the note-taking, as I said before. I think you're not stacking enough, of course, always the case.

Be caught up in the COVID shit as well, but in the sense that I really went through a black period, I took it on too much emotionally, so it was more in a depression than in an anger state.

And so I gave up on doing any physical things. Like, we had a sports club and they were doing it online with the camera and stuff, and it just bored the fuck out of me. And I gave up on everything instead of just going for a jock in the forest or something like that.

So... I think most people have had that, haven't we? I think it wrapped us, or most of us, up and affected us pretty negatively, at least mentally. But it's hard not to, if you feel strongly about something and you're genuinely worried about something, and then it's even harder when you feel alone on it.

And, you know, that's something we've probably all experienced with Bitcoin. And then, you know, you get hit with this new thing where it's like, fuck, now we're in the minority again. People are just starting to come round to this.

Bitcoin's maybe not such a bad idea. And now we've got this fucking virus thing and everyone wearing masks and everyone attacking each other. And it can be pretty depressing to be always on that side and always like personally that feeling of anger,

of like fucking frustration, just wanting to like hit people over the head with information. And be like, you fucking listen, but at the same time, not wanting to be a dick about it. And it's very easy to just have the feeling of, I just want to be alone.

I don't want to fucking talk to anyone. And that's not good. But that maybe on the other side, maybe we should be thankful for COVID in a vegetable sense, that that really prepared the people to be open enough to look for other people with the same connections.

Because we all lost our connections with the real world. And we were so happy to find like-minded people out there. Maybe just trying to put a positive swing on... A positive situation. Yeah, but you're right though, like it made us seek people, like-minded people, like us.

Just further strengthen our connections. Yeah, you find people who are thinking in a similar way. I actually, in normy world, in real world, yesterday actually, I went out for the first time for a long time.

I experienced a really bad thing and then a really good thing. Like very, very close to one another. So I'm with my missus and we're walking through this shopping centre. We're about the only people who are unmasked, maybe out of 500 people.

There would be two who would be unmasked and everyone else is masked. We're walking through and we're about to get onto this escalator. And this man runs in front of us and then shoves his palm, like almost right into our faces.

And then just screams, "Stop!" Like, fucking absolutely screams it. And so I was like, "Excuse me, what is wrong with you?" And he was like, "Absolutely went off on one. You're not wearing a mask, you're going to fucking kill everyone.

You're going to be the death of this country." I was like, "Look, I've got a problem stepping back, all right. If you could have just asked me, if you just said please rather than be a dick about it, I would absolutely respect that.

But because you've been an asshole, I'm not going to, and fuck you." And so you have this big screaming match where Mrs. Having got him as well. Security, you all have to get included. And there's just an absolute disaster.

And anyway, so that shit there is this complete dickhead who is a drama queen. Thing very rude. And then immediately afterwards, this other lady who was not wearing a mask came over and she put her arms around my Mrs. and went, "Are you okay?"

And I was like, "Oh, thank you. That's really sweet." And she goes, "It was really horrible the way that that guy was really uncalled for. I just wanted to check that you were right." And I was like, "There are good people out there.

It's very easy to, like I could have walked away from that situation and felt, "Okay, I'm the only person who's unmasked. People are shouting and no one's coming and no one's speaking to us."

And everyone's being horrible. And that one act of kindness of this one lady coming over can sort of restore your faith into humanity. So, it made me think that I want to try and do more small acts of kindness, more...

Bet for it. Yeah, little things that really don't matter that much or not that difficult but make a difference. You know, just like smiling to people on checkout and asking how their day is.

And just little nice things like that because that's the parts of life that make it worth living. Like that. Yeah, that's a nice goal. That was a tangent. That's a quiet tangent. That was beautiful.

Beautiful. That's like a nice goal for 2020. You have there. And they have one when I'm talking about goals. They have... Because I'm really into... I've been working a long time on my year review and because we're doing with the Mashedal so many self-development things and improvements, I went to try to have a year review where

in I realized that I did a lot more than I realized last year. And also started a bit on a year planning. Like putting out some nice big goals. Not too precise to find it every week, what I'm going to do but not a specific list.

Do you have any goals with the Mashedal? Where would you like to reach this year in 2020 with the Mashedal? Gina, you jumped on this one. Yeah, I was thinking about this and I think I would be really happy to see that we...

First of all, meet physically. At least some of us just get to know each other in the meet space. But also what I really would like to see. And I see it already in the making. So John was tinkering with the idea of sending one of his S9 miners to another pleb in our network so they can get started with mining.

And it's like this is what the Mashedal is about. Like that we support each other. Like either with physical goods that we can provide or service. And I would like to see more interchanges happening on this level as well.

Not only pure information. We share a lot of information that's great. But I also would like to see that we share physical things with each other. I missed my 100% from the space. There needs to have some more buttons there.

I feel like there's not enough to really express what you're thinking at all times is there. But now the 100% would be really ideal because this is for three. Yes, it would. Yeah, I'm missing the Mindfuck emoji in two or two spaces.

That's a specific one for us. Sorry. Come again. Chino, I was talking over you there. People just, they drop so much information. It's crazy at some point. Yeah. Yeah, in the Mashedal group, space is really crazy.

I'd like some physical meetups. I think that would be really, really nice. It's always different in real life getting to meet people and have conversations face to face. Actually, I've missed that.

That was one of my highlights of 2021. One of my highlights was going into the middle of the forest, meeting with Ben Gunn, recording at the top of what felt like a mountain. It was probably just a hill, but with an amazing view, with the dogs running around our feet and birds flying overhead and sunshine out.

Just having a cup of coffee with an amazing view, just talking to Anuba Cleb. That was a real special day and I'd like to have more of those. I'd like to do more in-person stuff with trusted people.

I think for a lot of listeners, there was a highlight in your post-stream as well. For me, it's my favourite episode of the last year. Ants down, this was just perfect. It was so nice. I wish you guys could have been there.

We have to make that happen. It's got to happen soon. It's not so easy right now, obviously. Yeah, there's just something different. It's when you can look into someone's eyes and you can feel how they feel.

It is different to just having audio. It's really special. So should we say that our goal would be to have a martial meetup this year, 2020? I think that would be very, very cool. It can be a dream goal, right?

Yeah, I think that would be awesome. That would certainly be a goal of mine. Outside of that, I don't think I have goals for it. What I'm really enjoying is just watching how it plays out.

I feel like we dropped a pebble in the middle of a lake and we're just watching the ripples and where they go and it kind of is taking on a life of its own. I'm really enjoying not directing it, just allowing it to happen and then to pick the bits that really particularly interest me.

I think it feels much more like a living organism and something that's natural, which is a much nicer feeling than trying to direct something a certain way or push something a certain way.

We just let it flow. That is nice how that the spaces were filling in your guest list in the pot as well. They were really rolling out. They were a continuation of those spaces for me also.

I often had a feeling that I was sitting in the background listening in to the spaces that I interviewed with two then were just chiming it out and no need to interrupt. Not that I could, but...

Yeah, it's really nice doing that. In a way for me, it's like, well, if these are people I'm building with and potentially going to meet and collaborating with, then I want to know some more.

I want to get to know them on a bit more of a personal basis and it means then when I next have the conversation with them, the spaces, I feel more comfortable with them. I mean, they're some of the most interesting conversations I've ever had on the pod.

I'm bringing them on because they're fascinating people who have got so much to offer and they're not on the podcast circuit. I think I was stacking virgins basically and it felt amazing, I must say.

To be honest, it's one of the few pods I still listen to and it's not because we became friends, just because it is refreshing. There is also the rings of fire satoshi radio, one, or connect the world, it's called, I think.

That's another one I listened to all episodes, but it's very obstacle. When I was on their show, they also asked the question how connect the world and the Mechdel can support each other.

Their mission statement is similar to the Mechdel principle, they want to connect the world and bring perhaps together, but not only tabs, but also people in general. It's the idea of creating community with Bitcoin as an anchor point, but not the main topic.

It's happening in other places as well, it's really nice to see. It lifts. It's how we win is collaboration, it really is. Is there anyone or any skills that either of you think would be really useful in the Mechdel?

I was thinking this the other night, I was thinking, well, if we could, if anyone could just stumble across the Mechdel and join us and work with us, who are we missing? Like, who would be helpful and maybe doesn't even know that they would be helpful?

Have you got any ideas or skills or character types that you think would be good to see? A travelling electrician. The Bloggino almost. Yeah, that would be. What about you, Chino? I cannot really pinpoint it on one specific skill.

Like, I think anybody with knowledge in a specific place is needed in the Mechdel. Like, be it a doctor, electrician, a plumber, somebody who knows how to run a business, somebody who's in transporting business, somebody who can drive a drug, somebody who just travels around the world, because they just can.

I think anybody who has something of value to give is more than needed in the Mechdel. Yeah, I agree. There are so many different types of skill that we're going to need. I feel it would be very useful to have a mechanical engineer with some of the things that we've discussed recently.

Another one that I thought is someone who's very, very highly qualified with sailing, someone who could maybe help and we could learn from. That would be pretty cool. Definitely a nice to have.

I would be really interested in sailing, but the only thing I fear is a lake, so I wouldn't get far. Stick to the paddle board. Now, I think it's indeed. There are a lot of profiles and professions, but also the people that think beyond those

profiles and professions, the dreamers, those that are not bound by the boundaries of social expectations. I have fun at home, of course, so let's buy it. Yeah, that was a highlight as well.

Having several people come on and also you two reading through the article. I loved that. That was a real special moment. That was fun to do. On a personal level, that would be the highlight maybe of 21 for me, that Bitcoin actually brought me and my son closer together than ever.

Bitcoin was only a small, stepping stone, but we do a lot of stuff together in a deeper way. A deeper way is not a father-son relationship wise, but I see him more in adult discussions or serious discussion.

Let me put it like that, because he doesn't like the word sex, for example. He's too young for that. I can have really very serious conversations with him, even more serious than with my wife, for example, at least what I feel like is more serious.

More serious subjects at least. He's a crazy smart kid. It's very cool to have him joining in and jumping in on the spaces and stuff like that. Like you said, that's somebody whose imagination knows no bounds.

It's been really interesting for me just listening to the way that he's thinking about things. Some of his interests, like the drones and things like that, is really going to be interesting to watch progress over the coming years, because it's going to be such an interesting skill to have.

Somebody who has a lot of knowledge around drones and is flying them and building them. It's just so fascinated. It's really cool to see somebody who loves and is passionate about a certain subject and is more than happy to come on and chat to everyone about him.

I think that's a real asset. He loves, he loves. I think it was when he came on, he was like, "My favorite thing to do is talking." Sometimes it's really annoying as well. There is no such thing as going with him on a silent walk or something like that.

I think I have to enlist him in a bird watching course so he has to listen to the bird songs. What I just thought about as well, and it is a completely different topic, but I was just thinking something I would like to introduce with the Mashedo.

It's just an idea. Maybe it's a bogus idea, but I would like to maybe do a Mashedo review where we can, as a group, discuss a movie or a book or whatever that interests us in the spaces. It doesn't even have to be or can be a podcast with whomever would be interested.

It might give the possibility to have a very topic-specific discussion with a very interesting bunch of people. I like that. That would be really cool. Maybe we could start with a few books that the majority of Bitcoiners have read to get it going and then maybe plan it so that we say, "Okay, we'll end four months from now or

whenever we're going to do this book," which the majority of us haven't read. It gives people time to get through and either read or do an audio book. I think that would be really cool because we all finish reading something and come out with different ideas of the meanings or we take different parts that really hit hard and

that we think are important. Having that discussion with such a diverse group would be really interesting. It might also give deeper insight in the book that you just read but seen from a different angle.

Also, when I'm reading the book, I would read it with more interest. Not that I'm not interested, but I would be more mindful about the content digestion. Sorry for that. No, no. I think that would be really cool.

I don't necessarily think it would need to be recorded. No, no. Maybe that would be one for a space probably, but that would be cool. I don't care whatever medium it is, it's a very selfish thought as long as I get to discuss with the people.

Considering that many of us happen to order a guy as guardian from toldy, haven't we, but home-scale permaculture, we could maybe start with this one. Good idea. I will need to order one because I haven't yet, but that's a good one.

Also, since it's non-fiction, there is no spoiler alert. Even if you have read it, I think you can get a lot of information out of it because this book is packed. Yeah, and it's one of the first topics that we started on as well, so I think that would be nice.

I was trying to think there was something that we wanted to cover that we discussed yesterday, and my mind has gone blank, and I was hoping that one of you would pipe up with it. Well, I think we have pretty much covered the mesh model as retrospective for what happened and where we want to go.

I'm pretty happy with what we've talked about so far. Yeah, I am too, and I think this was good to do because it's a new year. We've reflected on the past, and we're now looking forward. I guess the only other thing that I'd want to cover is we've got our spaces.

I'm doing the interview series, like one-on-one with people, but I really loved this idea of this map that we discussed before, where we're saying we're starting from the individual, and then we're working out from there.

We were sort of planning to get people who were very knowledgeable on specific subjects, you know, if it's meditation or Wim Hof, or whatever it is, because I've really enjoyed the ones where, you know, we have the three of us or two of us and one other, and we rotate them,

because I think there's a lot to be, a lot we can learn in these sort of ones. We took a step back from it because we were like, we want to get this in the right order, and so I don't know if you guys have any thoughts on that.

I do have a small thought, but it's an instant tangent on the concept is that it comes back to the note-taking of the spaces, that this would be like a note-taking from the links of the podcast, that it can be like an overview, also, of all the Mashedel episodes,

where you can follow the part, let's say, to your interests, because not only the planning, it's also the finding it back later, that it's not a flat list like most. In that case, if we're going to do that, do you think it might be worth us doing maybe two Mashedels on spaces per month?

You know, people can jump in and jump out as and when, but we always obviously do the 21st, but maybe one or two more. We also do the 8th. Yeah, exactly. You have the 8th or infinity divided by 21.

How many of the ones have we done on the 8th? Have we always done them? Maybe I'll just lost... Since we started, I think we did every 8th. Oh, we have. Okay. That's just my memory then. Yeah.

Okay. That works perfectly. We did first 28th, then people were anxious or no, and wanted were so enthusiastic about the first one that we wanted to do an extra one, because it took too long, and it was 12th, because it was like 21 first, and we said that the 8 would be a nice other number,

because we have done the infinity or the 8th divided by 21, and it's almost the same amount of time in between those two. Okay. All right. Well, that's nice. I think we covered everything there.

As I said before, I'm really appreciative of both your time and everything that you have helped with along this year, and so much organisation, so much help. I feel I've been pretty fucking useless when it comes to telegram and keeping up with messages and things like that, and you guys have been awesome, really, really fucking impressive

and pulling people in, and yeah, it's just been a pleasure getting to know you guys more. It was an honour and a pleasure for me as well. Yeah. It's always fun doing stuff with you guys. Yeah, it is.

So, so, before we started recording, it's like, I don't want it to ever lose that. That's kind of why I don't like the idea of goals too much, you know? It's like goals. No, I don't really want goals.

I just want to have fun with my friends and learn cool shit. All right, guys. Well, thanks for jumping on, and sorry about the technical issues at the beginning. I hope this has all worked out well, and we will catch up soon.

Yeah, you've got to have to deal with the editing later, so... Yeah, speak soon. Speak soon. Have a good one. Cheers.